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04/03/2025 03:30 PM Senate HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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03:46:10 PM Start
03:47:29 PM SB122
04:13:14 PM SB134
04:16:46 PM Confirmation Hearing(s): State Medical Board
05:12:54 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Agenda Change --
+= SB 122 HEALTH INSURANCE NETWORK STANDARDS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 122(HSS) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+= SB 134 PHARMACY BENEFITS MANAGER;3RD PARTY ADMIN TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
Consideration of Governor’s Appointees:
Samantha Smith, State Medical Board
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+= SB 45 MEDICAID MENTAL HEALTH PARITY TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled:
+= SB 88 CHILD PLACEMENT; DILIGENT SEARCH TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
           SB 122-HEALTH INSURANCE NETWORK STANDARDS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:47:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR announced  the consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 122                                                               
"An Act relating to insurance;  establishing standards for health                                                               
insurance  provider  networks;  and providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:48:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR invited the sponsor to give a recap of SB 122.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:48:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  recapped the purpose of  SB 122 stating it  is a                                                               
consumer  protection   bill.  SB  122  would   require  insurance                                                               
companies  to  maintain  adequate   provider  networks  in  their                                                               
policies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:49:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR said the committee would hear two amendments.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:49:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:49:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL moved to adopt Amendment 1, work order 34-                                                                      
LS0281\N.1.                                                                                                                     
                                                  4-LS0281\N.1                                                                  
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                      A M E N D M E N T 1                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                   BY SENATOR GIESSEL                                                                 
          TO: SB 122                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
          "Sec.   21.07.035.    Minimum   provider   network                                                                  
     standards.  (a) A  health care  insurer shall  take the                                                                  
     network requirements of this  section into account when                                                                    
     calculating  the  benefits  of,  or  other  contractual                                                                    
     requirements applicable  to, a covered  person's health                                                                    
     care  insurance  policy  that,  as  determined  by  the                                                                    
     director,                                                                                                                  
               (1)  requires the covered person to use a                                                                        
     limited network  of health  care providers,  as defined                                                                    
     in regulation by the director; or                                                                                          
               (2)  creates a substantial financial or                                                                          
     other incentive or disincentive  for the covered person                                                                    
     to use a limited network of health care providers."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:49:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  explained that in  the original SB  122, section                                                               
21.05.035 emphasizes  its core purpose as  consumer protection by                                                               
establishing  minimum   provider  network  standards.   The  bill                                                               
directs  the Division  of Insurance  to assess  network adequacy,                                                               
clarifying  that  insurers  must consider  network  breadth  when                                                               
calculating  benefits.  She  said   the  director  will  evaluate                                                               
whether networks are so narrow  or low-cost that consumers may be                                                               
misled  or   lack  meaningful  choice  and   will  weigh  whether                                                               
consumers  are fully  informed  when  selecting between  limited,                                                               
lower-cost networks and broader, higher-cost options.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:51:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES asked  for clarification  on why  Amendment 1  is                                                               
needed if 90 percent of providers are required to be in-network.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:52:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL responded that the  example is used to illustrate                                                               
the risk  that insurers may intentionally  offer extremely narrow                                                               
networks to  attract consumers  seeking low  premiums. SB  122 is                                                               
intended  as a  safeguard to  prevent consumers  from unknowingly                                                               
choosing  low-cost  plans  that  later  limit  access  to  needed                                                               
specialists, resulting in inadequate  coverage when medical needs                                                               
arise.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:53:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  reiterated that she  doesn't understand  the need                                                               
based on large percentages in  SB 122. She requested the Division                                                               
of  Insurance  Director  speak   to  the  committee  for  further                                                               
understanding.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:54:09 PM                                                                                                                    
HEATHER  CARPENTER, Director,  Division of  Insurance, Department                                                               
of Commerce, Community and  Economic Development (DCCED), Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, answered questions about SB 122. She introduced herself.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES   asked  whether   she  sees  the   amendment  as                                                               
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:54:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CARPENTER  replied that how  Senator Giessel described  it is                                                               
probably accurate. She said Alaska  doesn't have a narrow network                                                               
and she doesn't know if it would apply to someone who doesn't                                                                   
have privileges at a hospital because of how the networks look.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:55:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES asked whether the amendment would hurt the                                                                       
consumer.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:55:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CARPENTER answered that she doesn't think it will hurt the                                                                  
consumer. She stated she agrees with Senator Giessel that                                                                       
consumers need to be more informed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:56:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR removed his objection. He found no further                                                                         
objection and Amendment 1 (N.1) was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:56:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN moved to adopt Amendment 2, work order 34-                                                                       
LS0281\N.2.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 34-LS0281\N.2                                                                  
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                      A M E N D M E N T 2                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                    BY SENATOR CLAMAN                                                                 
          TO:SB 122                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "85"                                                                                                           
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3:56:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:56:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  described Amendment  2  stating  it reduces  the                                                               
required  provider  network  coverage   percentages  in  all  six                                                               
regions by 15 percent, such as  lowering 85 percent to 70 percent                                                               
and  90  percent to  75  percent,  while maintaining  the  bill's                                                               
consumer protections and making  the requirements more acceptable                                                               
to insurers.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:57:39 PM                                                                                                                    
JERRFERY  DAVIS, Principal,  Weston Group  Consulting, Wenatchee,                                                               
Washington, answered questions concerning  SB 122. He stated that                                                               
the  revised  percentages are  intended  to  preserve the  bill's                                                               
consumer protection goals  and apply only to  narrow network plan                                                               
designs,  particularly those  with  little  or no  out-of-network                                                               
coverage.  He said  in  cases  where consumers  may  be drawn  to                                                               
lower-cost    plans   without    fully   understanding    network                                                               
limitations,  SB 122  requires  insurers offering  such plans  to                                                               
meet specified  network adequacy percentages, which  are believed                                                               
to still fulfill the bill's original intent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:59:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR   removed  his  objection.  He   found  no  further                                                               
objection and Amendment 2 (N.2) was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:59:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR opened public testimony on SB 122.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:00:33 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:00:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   DUNBAR  reconvened   the  meeting   and  resumed   public                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENDA SNYDER,  Director, State  Government Affairs,  CVS Health,                                                               
Tacoma,  Washington,  testified  in  opposition to  SB  122.  She                                                               
explained that health carriers offer  employers and plan sponsors                                                               
various cost-saving  tools, including network design,  to balance                                                               
access,   cost,  and   quality  while   improving  outcomes   and                                                               
controlling  expenses. She  said carriers  already must  meet ACA                                                               
and  CMS  network  adequacy standards,  overseen  by  the  Alaska                                                               
Division  of  Insurance,  and  have  expanded  provider  networks                                                               
significantly  in  recent  years.  She  argued  that  the  bill's                                                               
proposed changes  to network  adequacy percentages  would disrupt                                                               
this  balance,  weaken   quality  safeguards,  increase  provider                                                               
leverage   in  negotiations,   raise   costs  and   out-of-pocket                                                               
expenses, and potentially put patient safety at risk.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:03:33 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE   COMPTON,  MD,   representing  self,   Anchorage,  Alaska,                                                               
testified  in opposition  to SB  122. He  emphasized that  Alaska                                                               
already suffers  from severe  provider shortages  across multiple                                                               
specialties,  including  pulmonology, endocrinology,  cardiology,                                                               
pediatric neurosurgery,  and primary care, forcing  some patients                                                               
to  leave the  state for  care.  He argued  that insurers'  cost-                                                               
control strategies  often reduce  access to  care, that  there is                                                               
currently  no  clear  standard for  network  adequacy,  and  that                                                               
consumer  protections  are  lacking,  particularly  in  light  of                                                               
statements by  a dominant  out-of-state insurer  indicating plans                                                               
to implement a new network strategy in Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:07:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR closed public testimony on SB 122.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:07:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  asked why SB  122 references  Medicare Advantage,                                                               
noting that  it is not  available in Alaska and  primarily serves                                                               
individuals  over age  65.  She asked  whether  the reference  is                                                               
merely  to  identify  a  list  of specialties  and,  if  so,  how                                                               
pediatric care would be accounted for.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:07:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL suggested that Mr. Davis answer the question.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:08:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS replied that the reference  is to a list of specialties                                                               
and acknowledged the point brought up about pediatrics.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:08:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES asked  whether this is something that  needs to be                                                               
fixed.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  replied  that  adding  pediatrics  would  be  a  good                                                               
addition but it's referencing a list not products.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:08:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES stated  that the  amendment improves  SB 122  but                                                               
remains concerned that it adds  another layer of network adequacy                                                               
requirements  beyond those  already  mandated  by the  Affordable                                                               
Care Act.  She questioned the  use of  percentage-based standards                                                               
rather than  provider-to-population ratios.  She stated  that she                                                               
is  worried that  the  thresholds  may still  be  too high  given                                                               
Alaska's  limited   specialists,  and  cautioned   that  mandated                                                               
percentages could  increase provider leverage, raise  health care                                                               
costs, and discourage  insurer participation, ultimately reducing                                                               
competition and harming consumers.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:11:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR solicited the will of the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:11:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL moved  to report SB 122,  work order 34-LS0281\N,                                                               
as amended,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:11:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  found no objection  and CSSB 122(HSS)  was reported                                                               
from the Senate Health and Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 134 Supporting Document PBM License Registration Tracking NAIC 04.02.25.pdf SHSS 4/3/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 134
SJR 15 Fiscal Note LEG SESS 3.19.25.pdf SHSS 4/3/2025 3:30:00 PM
SJR 15
SB 134 DOI Response to SHSS 4.3.25.pdf SHSS 4/3/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 134
SB 122 Amendment N.1 3.25.25 (002).pdf SHSS 4/3/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 122 Amendment N.2 4.2.25.pdf SHSS 4/3/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122