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          SB 115-PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT SCOPE OF PRACTICE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
            [CSSB 115(HSS) was before the committee]                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:38:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN announced  the consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.                                                               
115  "An  Act  relating  to  physician  assistants;  relating  to                                                               
physicians; and relating to health care insurance policies."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:38:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MCKENZIE   POPE,  Staff,   Senator  Loki   Tobin,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau,  Alaska,  said SB  115  grants  experienced                                                               
Physicians  Assistants (PAs),  those with  more than  4,000 hours                                                               
practice experience,  the flexibility  to increase  their ability                                                               
to see  and treat  patients, which will  benefit the  capacity of                                                               
Alaska's  medical  system.  She  said  this  also  maintains  the                                                               
collaborative  agreement structure  currently in  place for  less                                                               
experienced PAs  defined in SB 44  as those with less  than 4,000                                                               
hours of practice experience.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. POE  said Alaskan PAs  are asking us to  let them help  us to                                                               
meet our growing  patient needs across the state.  They will play                                                               
a  vital role  in meeting  the  growing and  ongoing health  care                                                               
needs of the  people of Alaska, where 90 precent  of PAs practice                                                               
in rural  areas of Alaska  and the  majority of our  primary care                                                               
physicians  operate in  urban Alaska.  Currently Alaska  law does                                                               
not  allow  PAs  to  operate  to  the  fullest  extent  of  their                                                               
expertise and  knowledge. SB 115  seeks to remedy  this situation                                                               
by  allowing PAs  to practice  and to  provide additional  health                                                               
care  options   in  Alaska  without   direct  oversight   from  a                                                               
supervising  physician. SB  115  authorizes PAs  to expand  their                                                               
services  and will  allow more  patients  to stay  in their  home                                                               
communities  to receive  routine medical  care. SB  115 does  not                                                               
sacrifice  medical   rigor  or   oversight,  but   simply  allows                                                               
experienced and licensed  PAs in the State of  Alaska to continue                                                               
to  offer  high  quality  medical  care  within  their  scope  of                                                               
practice.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:40:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  mentioned the suggestion from  some with concerns                                                               
about SB 115  that the 4,000 hours of experience  should occur in                                                               
the  specialized area  of practice,  for example,  dermatology or                                                               
cardiology, prior  to independent practice. He  asked whether the                                                               
sponsor  would  support  an  amendment to  define  the  hours  of                                                               
experience by specialty.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:41:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. POPE  answered that the  sponsor is aware of  those concerns,                                                               
and she deferred to representatives  of the Academy of Physicians                                                               
Assistants, attending  online to help answer  questions regarding                                                               
the specifics  of operating as a  PA in the state  of Alaska. She                                                               
said  it  is the  opinion  of  Senator  Tobin's office  that  the                                                               
education of and licensing requirements  of PAs should suffice to                                                               
equip them to  practice as SB 115 describes. She  said the 4,000-                                                               
hour requirement in  SB 115 is in addition to  the multiple years                                                               
of education  and 3,000 or  more hours of direct  patient contact                                                               
PA's receive prior to licensing.  She said once PA students enter                                                               
an accredited training  program, they have 27  months of training                                                               
and 100 hours of continuing  medical education every two years, a                                                               
comprehensive exam  to become licensed and  a large comprehensive                                                               
exam every ten  years. She repeated the opinion  of the sponsor's                                                               
office  that  these  requirements  suffice to  prepare  PAs  [for                                                               
independent practice as described by SB 115].                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:43:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN opened public testimony on SB 115.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:44:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP joined the meeting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:44:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CANDANCE HICKEL, representing self,  Anchorage, Alaska, said that                                                               
as a  physician assistant (PA)  she was testifying in  support of                                                               
SB 115 and that she  practices in Anchorage at Providence Medical                                                               
Center in  cardiothoracic surgery. She  has worked there  for the                                                               
past six  years and for  ten years  before that she  practiced in                                                               
neurosurgery, also in Anchorage. She said  she has served as a PA                                                               
educator  through the  University of  Washington since  2009. She                                                               
said  there  is  widespread  support  for SB  115  among  her  PA                                                               
colleagues  and that  passage of  the bill  is essential  for the                                                               
future of  providing reliably available high  quality health care                                                               
in the state of Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. HICKEL  emphasized her family's  commitment to the  future of                                                               
Alaska,  noting their  boys are  fifth  generation Alaskans.  She                                                               
said passing SB 115 aligns the  future of healthcare in our state                                                               
in the right  direction. She encouraged the committee  to pass SB
115.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:46:30 PM                                                                                                                    
BETSY  DOUDS-PACZAN,  President,   Alaska  Academy  of  Physician                                                               
Assistants,  Anchorage,  Alaska,  said   she  was  testifying  in                                                               
support of SB  115. She said she is the  president of the Academy                                                               
of Physician Assistants, and she  works in addiction medicine and                                                               
behavioral health in  Anchorage. She noted the  opioid crisis and                                                               
the struggle with  too few resources for care in  every aspect of                                                               
medicine.  She said  SB 115  would remove  obstacles to  care and                                                               
enable PAs to  practice to the full extent of  their training and                                                               
experience. She  said Alaska statutes  that currently  define the                                                               
scope of  practice for PAs  in Alaska  were signed by  the Alaska                                                               
Board of  Medical Examiners in 1979,  45 years ago. She  said the                                                               
statutes  have   not  been  rewritten   since  then   though  the                                                               
requirements  for entry  into  a PA  program  are more  seriously                                                               
competitive than ever. She said  the programs themselves continue                                                               
to  increase in  the academic  rigor and  clinical training.  She                                                               
said the  profession has evolved  and it  is time for  statute to                                                               
adjust appropriately.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUDS-PACZN said  the very  particular set  of circumstances                                                               
that  contributed to  the tenor  of the  1979 statutes  no longer                                                               
exist. She said  there are now more than 168,300  PAs in the U.S.                                                               
engaging  in  more than  500  million  patient interactions  each                                                               
year. She  said 18  countries utilize PAs  or PA  equivalents and                                                               
there are 306 accredited training programs for PAs.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUDS-PACZN  concluded,  saying   that  PAs  are  neighbors,                                                               
friends and  family members and  they are constantly  striving to                                                               
serve with expertise,  compassion and integrity. She  said SB 115                                                               
would  allow  PAs  to  continue  to  do  so.  She  said  PAs  are                                                               
absolutely seeking  to practice in  collaboration as a part  of a                                                               
team,  but  without  a  specified   relationship  with  a  single                                                               
[overseeing] provider. She  said SB 115 is a tool  that will move                                                               
us toward  the end  goal of  quality care  for all  Alaskans. She                                                               
urged the  committee to  join in the  effort to  modernize Alaska                                                               
statute by passing SB 115.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:48:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR restated  the question  about the  specificity of                                                               
the  requirement  of  4,000  hours  of  experience  in  order  to                                                               
practice without a collaborative  agreement. He asked whether the                                                               
4,000 hours should be specific experience in a given specialty.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:49:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUDS-PACZAN answered  that PAs receive a  broad education in                                                               
all fields of  medicine and the clinical training is  45 weeks or                                                               
approximately  2,000   hours  of  supervised   clinical  training                                                               
experience. She said each of  those are within specialty settings                                                               
and  PAs   are  often  offered  positions   from  those  clinical                                                               
settings. She  said when PAs join  a practice, they do  so with a                                                               
foundation  of general  knowledge  and the  training  is "on  the                                                               
job".                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR sought  further clarification  on training  hours                                                               
over days, because  hours of experience are specified  by SB 115.                                                               
He   asked  whether   the  4,000   hours  required   to  practice                                                               
independently would be met during  the initial [general] training                                                               
or thereafter during the "on the job" training.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUDS-PACZAN  said that  at the  end of  45 weeks,  PAs would                                                               
gain  about 2,000  hours of  supervised clinical  experience. She                                                               
said in  a 12-month  period, most  programs are  set up  for nine                                                               
four-week rotations, working full-time  or more than full-time in                                                               
a  supervised   situation,  such  as  surgery,   emergency  care,                                                               
obstetrics  or primary  care, for  example. She  compared the  PA                                                               
requirements to those  for a Nurse Practitioner  (NP) who receive                                                               
an average  of 27.5 weeks  of supervised clinical  training which                                                               
equates to about 1100 hours, or  about half of the training hours                                                               
PAs receive.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:54:00 PM                                                                                                                    
GAYLE  HORNBERGER, D.O.,  representing  self, Fairbanks,  Alaska,                                                               
said she  had 31 years  of medical experience working  in Alaska,                                                               
the past  27 years  working in Fairbanks  as a  family physician.                                                               
She  said  her  experience included  Emergency  Medical  Services                                                               
(EMS), Community Health, Private  Practice and Indian Health. She                                                               
said over  those years she  worked with, educated,  mentored, and                                                               
employed  PAs  at all  levels  of  their  careers. She  said  the                                                               
original  PA  programs  were  focused   on  individuals  who  had                                                               
experience in health  care such as military  corpsmen, nurses and                                                               
paramedics  who  brought  a  significant   wealth  and  depth  of                                                               
knowledge with them.  She said their experience helped  to form a                                                               
level of  trust and confidence  necessary for physicians  to feel                                                               
comfortable  including  PAs in  their  practice  of medicine.  PA                                                               
training is one  year of basic sciences and one  year of clinical                                                               
training  before graduation.  She  opined that  most PA  training                                                               
programs today  do not have  the significant depth and  wealth of                                                               
experience that the original PA students had.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HORNBERGER said a PA  with 4,000 hours of post-graduate hours                                                               
of  specific experience  does not  equate with  a medical  school                                                               
graduate with  over 8,000 hours  of training plus 6,000  hours or                                                               
more of  residency hours.  Thus, she said,  to request  to remove                                                               
the requirement of working under  a collaborating physician after                                                               
4,000 hours of experience is  inappropriate. She said, keeping in                                                               
mind  the  need for  patient  safety  and adequate  knowledge  to                                                               
provide medical  care, the  minimum equivalent  of four  years of                                                               
medical school  and two  years of  family medicine  residency are                                                               
roughly 14,500 hours minimum.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:56:26 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHERINE VAN ATTA, representing  self, Wasilla, Alaska, said she                                                               
has  served  as a  PA  for  18 years  and  she  has also  been  a                                                               
Certified  Nurse-Midwife  (CNM)  for  five years.  She  said  her                                                               
health  care training  has included  two bachelor's  degrees, two                                                               
Master's degrees education and  a post-graduate fellowship during                                                               
which she served as a PA  for four years, embedded in a physician                                                               
residency  program  working  alongside physician  residents.  She                                                               
said she  worked in  a variety  of positions  in Alaska  over the                                                               
past 15 years including almost three  years on Adak Island in the                                                               
Aleutians,  which  is  1200 miles  from  the  nearest  accessible                                                               
physician or  hospital. She said  she currently divides  her time                                                               
between working as a  PA at a rural clinic in  Bristol Bay and as                                                               
a  CNM in  the Mat-Su  valley. She  said she  is also  a courtesy                                                               
faculty  member  at  the   University  of  Washington,  educating                                                               
Washington,  Wyoming,  Alaska   Montana,  Idaho  (WWAMI)  medical                                                               
students. She sought to make two main points.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   1. Modernizing the statutes and regulations is a good idea.                                                                  
     She  said  there  was  a   recent  effort  to  modernize  PA                                                               
     regulations,  but  while  the effort  was  appreciated,  the                                                               
     result was  terrifying because the new  proposed regulations                                                               
     would have made  it virtually impossible for PAs  to work in                                                               
     rural  areas  at all.  The  statutes  would have  eliminated                                                               
     nearly  50 percent  of  the providers  at  the rural  clinic                                                               
     where she  currently works. Instead of  improving care, they                                                               
     would have  dramatically decreased access to  care for rural                                                               
     Alaskans.                                                                                                                  
   2. As a Certified Nurse-Midwife (CNM), she said she is                                                                       
     licensed to  practice independently as an  Advanced Practice                                                               
     Registered Nurse (APRN).  She said some of  her clients will                                                               
     have  to have  cesarean sections  and other  procedures that                                                               
     she does  not do, which  does not  impair her ability  to do                                                               
     her job or collaborate when needed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:49 PM                                                                                                                    
KEILS KITCHEN, representing self,  Anchorage, Alaska, said he has                                                               
worked  as  a  PA in  Alaska  for  the  last  15 years,  both  in                                                               
Anchorage and remotely. He promoted  removing the requirement for                                                               
[a   formal]  relationship   between  a   PA  and   collaborating                                                               
physician.  He noted  that  it is  difficult  to recruit  medical                                                               
providers, physicians, PAs, or NPs  to work in remote villages in                                                               
Alaska.  The  sites  and communities  present  challenges  unlike                                                               
anywhere else in the U.S. He  said many of the communities do not                                                               
have enough  funding available to  attract physicians to  work in                                                               
their clinics as providers  or as administrator/medical director.                                                               
He said  the current PA  regulations prevent clinics  from hiring                                                               
PAs due  to the requirement for  collaborative practice agreement                                                               
with a  specific physician.  He shared  his experience  of having                                                               
worked in clinics who were unable  to renew his contract when the                                                               
physician/medical director  left. The clinic could  only consider                                                               
[hiring]  NPs  since  NPs  are  allowed  to  practice  without  a                                                               
collaborative  plan. The  NPs that  were hired  were from  out of                                                               
state  and  significantly  less   experienced  in  remote  Alaska                                                               
medicine. He  said hiring  websites for  remote Alaska  show many                                                               
jobs  that   will  only  consider   NPs  due  to   the  increased                                                               
requirements and administrative  burden associated with employing                                                               
PAs. He  said SB  115 would  remove those  administrative burdens                                                               
and allow  those clinics  to utilize  experienced PAs  along with                                                               
NPs to provide  care to the underserved  communities and increase                                                               
the  pool  of potential  providers.  He  urged the  committee  to                                                               
support SB 115.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:00:58 PM                                                                                                                    
JONATHAN TOWER, representing self,  Anchorage, Alaska, said he is                                                               
a  PA practicing  in Anchorage,  having graduated  from MEDEX,  a                                                               
program collaboratively taught with  the University of Washington                                                               
(UW) between the University of  Alaska Anchorage (UAA) campus and                                                               
the UW campus in Seattle. He said  the past 5 years he has worked                                                               
as a cardiology  PA. He thanked the committee hearing  SB 115 and                                                               
sought to address Senator Dunbar's  question about how many hours                                                               
would   be   sufficient   [to  prepare   for]   unsupervised   or                                                               
uncollaborative PA  practice within  a specialty  environment. He                                                               
said his current  practice as part of a  highly developed medical                                                               
team working  directly with physicians  who are on-call.  He said                                                               
the current  collaborative agreement  requires that  he designate                                                               
several  of the  physicians  as his  collaborators, though  those                                                               
doctors may not be on shift with  him and at the end of the year,                                                               
they are  required to go  through charts. He said  the physicians                                                               
would have been  required to sign off on these  charts as part of                                                               
the existing modern collaborative  medical environment. He opined                                                               
that it would not be reasonable  to assign an arbitrary number of                                                               
hours as a measure of  competency in a collaborative environment.                                                               
He said PAs are trained to  be collaborative providers as are all                                                               
modern   providers  and   collaboration   is   inherent  in   any                                                               
profession.  He suggested  that an  administrative hurdle  should                                                               
not be  required to  demonstrate a PAs  ability to  perform their                                                               
roles admirably in generalist or in specialist roles.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:57 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID WILKERSON,  representing self,  Anchorage, Alaska,  said he                                                               
had worked  as a PA for  ten years and had  graduated from MEDEX.                                                               
He served as an Army PA Lieutenant  for three years as well as in                                                               
primary  care   settings,  fast  track  settings,   CDC,  private                                                               
individuals,   corporate   companies,  federal   government   and                                                               
contracting  roles. He  found during  the  Covid-19 response  his                                                               
practice  included  multiple specialties  and  that  he had  over                                                               
2,000  hours in  a number  of them.  He told  about working  as a                                                               
contracted employee  during the  Covid-19 response,  primarily in                                                               
administrative  roles  that  required  a  PA  license  to  review                                                               
diagnostic tests. He said these  positions were non-treating, low                                                               
acuity and in  some cases, no direct patient care,  but it was so                                                               
difficult  to find  physicians who  would  agree to  sign off  as                                                               
collaborators  with PAs,  though  these roles  were critical  for                                                               
medical  care during  the  response to  Covid-19.  He said  that,                                                               
though  a  lot  of  requirements   were  removed  nationally  for                                                               
licensure [to facilitate Covid-19  response] the scramble to find                                                               
a  collaborative   agreement  in  order  to   practice  was  very                                                               
cumbersome. He urged passage of SB  115 to make it easier for PAs                                                               
to practice.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:05:25 PM                                                                                                                    
PAM   VENTGEN,   Executive   Director,   Alaska   State   Medical                                                               
Association  (ASMA), Anchorage,  Alaska, said  she worked  in the                                                               
medical  field all  her adult  life. She  was a  clinical medical                                                               
assistant,  managed  medical  offices,  worked  for  the  medical                                                               
board, taught in the allied  health programs at the University of                                                               
Alaska.  She said  the Alaska  State  Medical Association  (ASMA)                                                               
opposes SB 115 in its current  form. She said the ASMA's position                                                               
is  that the  collaborative relationship  between physicians  and                                                               
PAs must  be a formal  relationship. She reported  that physician                                                               
members  of the  ASMA board  were shocked  and appalled  to learn                                                               
that some PAs  reportedly had to pay physicians to  serve in that                                                               
collaborative relationship. She said ASMA  agrees the need for an                                                               
alternate  collaborative agreement  is cumbersome  and of  little                                                               
benefit.  She said  they  agree there  is a  need  to update  the                                                               
regulations for PAs. They agree there  is a need to better define                                                               
remote  locations and  practice  agreements in  Alaska. She  said                                                               
ASMA  would  like  to work  collaboratively  with  the  Physician                                                               
Assistant  Association and  academy, the  medical board  and with                                                               
physicians to  update and modernize  these regulations.  She said                                                               
ASMA believes SB 115 is not the  best way to do so. She urged the                                                               
committee to  hold SB 115  and promote collegial  negotiations to                                                               
resolve the very real issues and concerns on the table.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:07:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN asked  whether there  had  been any  negotiations                                                               
since January about  the concepts and ideas between  ASMA and the                                                               
PA associations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:07:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  VENTGEN  answered  there  had not.  She  reported  that  the                                                               
medical board  was very  challenging to work  with. She  said the                                                               
chairman of the medical board resigned effective March 1st.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:08:33 PM                                                                                                                    
ALISON  STARR,  representing  self,   Kodiak,  Alaska,  said  she                                                               
practices all over Alaska as a  primary care PA and has served in                                                               
multiple rural locations. She said  she often practiced in remote                                                               
settings where  there was  not a  physician available  for miles.                                                               
She  also  had  jobs  where   she  never  met  her  collaborating                                                               
physician, and the  relationship was simply to "check  a box" for                                                               
employment or  licensure. She said her  employers obviously trust                                                               
her  scope  of  practice  to   care  for  rural  and  underserved                                                               
communities.  She opined  that it  is  a waste  of resources  and                                                               
money to continue to require  experienced PAs who have over 4,000                                                               
clinical hours  have a  written agreement  with a  physician. She                                                               
said this  requirement further limits  access to health  care for                                                               
rural  and underserved  communities. She  said advanced  practice                                                               
colleagues, including  NPs do not  have this restriction  and are                                                               
able  to practice  independently as  soon as  they graduate  from                                                               
their training programs.  She  said the current regulations often                                                               
restrict  experienced PAs  from other  states from  practicing or                                                               
relocating  to Alaska,  especially rural  and underserved  Alaska                                                               
where she said it is already  so difficult to get health care. It                                                               
also keeps  PAs from other  places from coming to  Alaska because                                                               
it is difficult  for them to find a  collaborative physician when                                                               
they are applying for initial  licensure, further limiting access                                                               
to high quality health care in Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:10:34 PM                                                                                                                    
JON  ZASADA, Director,  Government and  External Affairs,  Alaska                                                               
Primary  Care Association  (APCA),  Anchorage,  Alaska, said  the                                                               
APCA  enthusiastically supports  SB 115.  He said  health centers                                                               
have  been pioneers  in the  institution of  PAs as  core primary                                                               
care providers in  their practices for decades.  He reported that                                                               
in  2022, 82  PAs provided  care to  over 7,000  patients through                                                               
72,000  visits. He  said PAs  account for  one third  of all  the                                                               
Community Health  Centers (CHC)  medical providers in  Alaska. He                                                               
said  APCA believes  SB  115 creates  a  valuable opportunity  to                                                               
expand  access  to  care  in communities  across  the  state  and                                                               
enables the  valuable providers to practice  independently to the                                                               
full  extent of  their experience.  he said  SB 115  addresses an                                                               
acute  challenge in  serving  patients.  He expressed  confidence                                                               
that  PAs   would  continue  to  consult   and  collaborate  with                                                               
physicians  and other  members  of their  patient  care teams  to                                                               
improve health.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:11:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRIS  MILLER,  representing  self,  Juneau,  Alaska,  urged  the                                                               
committee to move SB 115 forward.  He said he was a practicing PA                                                               
in  dermatology for  23  years in  Juneau  and Southeast  Alaska,                                                               
treating  thousands  of  patients.  He said  he  delivered  high-                                                               
quality, dermatological  care to a medically  underserved region.                                                               
He said  he is  very proud  of the  differences his  practice had                                                               
made  for people  in Southeast  Alaska  communities. Without  the                                                               
passage  of SB  115 this  session, Mr.  Miller said  he would  no                                                               
longer  be  able to  provide  care  for  his patients  after  the                                                               
retirement of  his collaborating physician  in June. He  said his                                                               
circumstances highlight the urgency and  importance of SB 115. He                                                               
said  he   has  been  trying  to   secure  another  collaborating                                                               
dermatologist agreement  for three  years and  the fact  is there                                                               
are  not enough  dermatologists in  the United  State, much  less                                                               
Alaska.  Despite  his decades  of  experience  and value  to  the                                                               
communities he  has served, the  retirement of  his collaborating                                                               
physician  will shut  him down  and the  practice will  close. He                                                               
said  he was  sincerely concerned  for  the ongoing  care of  his                                                               
patients. He said SB 115 was  his last hope to continue providing                                                               
services for his patients. He urged  that SB 115 be moved forward                                                               
for a vote.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:13:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR asked  whether Mr. Miller could say  at what point                                                               
in  his  dermatology  practice he  gained  enough  experience  to                                                               
practice without a collaborative  agreement. He acknowledged that                                                               
PAs  are  required  by  law to  have  a  collaborative  physician                                                               
agreement. He asked at what  point he would have been comfortable                                                               
practicing without the agreement.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:14:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MILLER said people continue  to learn throughout our careers.                                                               
He acknowledged  that even after so  many hours, he would  not be                                                               
"ready" to  practice completely independently.  He said  he knows                                                               
he doesn't  know everything, but he  knows what he knows,  and he                                                               
knows to  get help when he  doesn't know. He said  that awareness                                                               
is incumbent on any PA  or physician. He said practitioners can't                                                               
know everything  and need to be  able to get help.  He said after                                                               
two  years [of  collaborative practice]  he was  able to  offer a                                                               
wide breadth of service.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:15:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY SWAIN,  CEO, Cama'i Community Health  Center, Naknek, Alaska                                                               
said the  Cama'i Community Health  Center's scope of  practice is                                                               
primary  care,  age 0  to  end-of-life,  as  well as  urgent  and                                                               
emergent  care.  She said  the  health  center is  the  receiving                                                               
facility for all  911 and EMS emergencies in  their borough. Last                                                               
year  they saw  214  patients in  the ER  and  over 3000  patient                                                               
visits in total. She expressed full  support for SB 115 for their                                                               
health center.  She said the health  center had not been  able to                                                               
employ a  physician for  15 years due  to their  remote location.                                                               
They  employ PAs  and NPs,  and they  need practitioners  who are                                                               
able to practice  to the full spectrum of the  patients they see.                                                               
She  said they  must have  primary care  and extensive  emergency                                                               
medical care training  to work in their rural  facility. She said                                                               
they pay, on a contract  basis, two physicians to collaborate for                                                               
any  PA. They  are both  highly trained  physicians with  over 60                                                               
years of experience  between them. She said that in  this time of                                                               
increasing  inflation   and  flat  funding  for   health  centers                                                               
nationally, she  is faced with  the real decision  of potentially                                                               
being unable  to keep  a PA  due to the  cost of  the physician's                                                               
contracts  for collaborative  agreements. In  addition, the  time                                                               
required to file  a collaborative agreement and  have it approved                                                               
by the  State of Alaska is  problematic for her clinic.  A recent                                                               
example was  that a provider  scheduled to work in  September was                                                               
not able to work because  her collaborative plan was not approved                                                               
in  time.  She asserted  that  other  states are  modernizing  PA                                                               
requirements and  she expressed  enthusiasm for Alaska  to follow                                                               
suit and for passage of SB 115.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:17:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK RESTAD, representing  self, Homer, Alaska, said  he has been                                                               
a PA since 1995, practicing  in Tok, Fairbanks, Kotzebue, and for                                                               
many years  on the Kenai Peninsula.  He said he works  in primary                                                               
care in  Homer and  in Kenai.  He is  in support  of SB  115. The                                                               
clinic where  he works  has been  trying to  hire another  PA for                                                               
several months and finding a  collaborative physician and getting                                                               
all  the  arrangements  made  has   been  rigorous  and  requires                                                               
extensive time. He  said he had taken  the board exam to  be a PA                                                               
several times  and he reported  that it encompasses  primary care                                                               
and specialty  care. He asserted  that to pass the  exam required                                                               
that  a   provider  be  well-rounded  [in   their  education  and                                                               
experience]. He recommends that new  PAs begin by practicing in a                                                               
general care  setting for a  year instead of a  specialty setting                                                               
to  get  their  practice  style down  before  they  pursue  their                                                               
special area  of interest.  He opined they  could then  return to                                                               
primary  care later.  He expressed  concern about  PAs who  go to                                                               
Anchorage to practice  specialty care and then want  to go "home"                                                               
to a  community they were  from and enter a  supervised position.                                                               
He said he thought that was redundant and inefficient.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:19:49 PM                                                                                                                    
FOLUSHO  OGUNFIDITIMI,  D.M.,   President,  American  Academy  of                                                               
Physician  Associates (AAPA),  Daytona Beach,  Florida, said  the                                                               
AAPA  is the  national  professional society  of  PAs across  the                                                               
nation,  representing about  168,000 PAs  across all  medical and                                                               
surgical  subspecialties  in  all  50  states,  the  District  of                                                               
Columbia, U.S.  territories and the  uniformed services.  He said                                                               
the  APAA supports  SB  115. He  said  he had  over  23 years  of                                                               
administrative   and   clinical   experience   in   health   care                                                               
administration  and  urology.  SB 115  would  eliminate  outdated                                                               
administrative  burdens and  allow PAs  to practice  to the  full                                                               
extent  of their  education, training,  and  experience. He  said                                                               
about 40  percent of  Alaskans live  in regions  without adequate                                                               
access  to primary  care and  urged that  all can  agree that  is                                                               
unacceptable.   As   trusted,   highly   qualified   professional                                                               
clinicians  who often  serve patients  in primary  care settings,                                                               
PAs are ready to do their  part to expand patient access to care.                                                               
He  referred to  a  recent  Harris Poll  survey  finding that  91                                                               
percent of  U.S. adults agree that  PAs are part of  the solution                                                               
to  solve  the  shortage  of health  care  providers  across  the                                                               
country. He said  there are more than 800 licensed  PAs in Alaska                                                               
who practice in  all settings and specialties and  to recruit and                                                               
retain more PAs, Alaska needs to  update its PA practice laws. He                                                               
said  SB  115  is  an   essential  step  to  update  PA  practice                                                               
legislation  to  align  legislative  language with  the  way  PAs                                                               
currently practice  as trusted members  of the health  care team.                                                               
He said  SB 115 would  modernize PA practice in  Alaska, allowing                                                               
PAs with more  than 4,000 hours [of collaborative  service] to be                                                               
exempt from  collaborative agreement requirements.  He emphasized                                                               
that SB 115 would not change the  day to day care provided by PAs                                                               
and that  PAs would continue,  like all health care  providers to                                                               
refer, consult  and collaborate with physicians  to ensure needed                                                               
care delivery.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:22:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  referred to states  that have  already eliminated                                                               
collaborative agreement requirements. He  asked whether they have                                                               
seen a  change in  the rates for  malpractice insurance.  He also                                                               
asked whether there was a  difference in malpractice insurance in                                                               
those  states for  PAs  that  do primary  care  versus those  who                                                               
specialty care.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:22:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. OGUNFINDITIMI  said there has  not been a  significant change                                                               
in malpractice  insurance coverage or  claims in states  that had                                                               
reduced  or eliminated  the  direct  tether between  a  PA and  a                                                               
physician.  He explained  that he  says  "direct tether"  because                                                               
there  would not  be a  complete break  in the  relationship with                                                               
physicians. He  said it is  about PAs  being able to  practice to                                                               
the  fullness  of  their  education  and  knowledge  without  the                                                               
administrative  barriers   [of  direct   collaborative  agreement                                                               
requirements]. He said there was  a recent study published in the                                                               
Journal of Medical Regulation that  examined ten years of medical                                                               
malpractice payment  reports from national  practitioner database                                                               
that found that states where  barriers to PA practice were lifted                                                               
maintained  patient safety  and  made it  easier  to access  high                                                               
quality, cost-effective  care. He said  there was over  ten years                                                               
of data to suggest that  lifting the barriers appeared to improve                                                               
as opposed to worsen malpractice claims.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:23:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN thanked testifiers for public input.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:24:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MAGUERITE  MCINTOSH, M.D.,  representing self,  Sterling, Alaska,                                                               
said  she has  practiced as  a physician  in Alaska  for over  23                                                               
years  and  has   practiced  with  several  PAs.   She  said  her                                                               
relationship  with  them was  not  a  monetary relationship;  she                                                               
never charged for  her collaboration with them. She  said the PAs                                                               
had extensive experience and she  was always impressed with their                                                               
knowledge and  capabilities, and  she supported  SB 115  and it's                                                               
intent to  relieve the administrative  burden they now  have. She                                                               
said  she  is  currently  working   with  a  PA  specializing  in                                                               
substance  abuse  medication and  he  is  teaching her  from  his                                                               
extensive  experience. She  said  physicians can  learn from  and                                                               
collaborate with  PAs just as  they collaborate  with specialists                                                               
when necessary.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
DALE WALASZEK,  representing self,  Kasilof, Alaska, said  he has                                                               
been  a PA  for 27  years  and worked  in a  variety of  clinical                                                               
situations in  extremely remote  Alaska as  well as  civilian and                                                               
military worlds  and in New Mexico.  He echoed that PAs  can work                                                               
independently  without direct  physician  oversight  or having  a                                                               
collaborative agreement  and provide  excellent service  and care                                                               
to patients. He has never had  a malpractice lawsuit in 27 years,                                                               
despite  working   in  pretty  tense  situations   at  times.  He                                                               
appreciated  the experience  of  reaching  out and  collaborating                                                               
with fellow colleagues in different  areas of medicine to provide                                                               
the best care for patients.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:27:06 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  MOORE,  representing  self,  Willow,  Alaska,  said  he  is                                                               
working part time as  a PA, though trying to go  back to work has                                                               
been an  ordeal. He said his  friend and colleague runs  a clinic                                                               
and  is a  PA. The  friend's collaborating  physician refused  to                                                               
take Mr. Moore on [as  an additional collaborative PA] because of                                                               
the added  responsibility. He  said the  fee to  collaborate with                                                               
other physicians was exorbitant. He  said it would have been less                                                               
expensive to hire a NP for  the clinic because of the requirement                                                               
for  a  collaborative physician  agreement.  He  supports SB  115                                                               
wholeheartedly because  there are many  people in need  of health                                                               
care who do  not receive health care. He noted  that other states                                                               
have not  experienced negative outcomes  by granting  PAs greater                                                               
autonomy.  He said  he  would like  to  go back  to  work but  is                                                               
hindered by  the current  regulations. He  said there  are people                                                               
who need care that PAs could provide.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:29:10 PM                                                                                                                    
RICK BLAKE, representing self, Wasilla,  Alaska said he currently                                                               
works  at Cottonwood  Clinic and  has worked  as a  PA in  Alaska                                                               
since 2000. He  said PAs and other medical  providers are trained                                                               
and constantly collaborate with other  providers in all areas get                                                               
the  information  they need  to  provide  the  best care  to  the                                                               
patient. He urged  the committee members to  understand that even                                                               
if  the   working  relationship  is   "untethered"  practitioners                                                               
collaborate constantly in all fields of medicine.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:30:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MARIA ROLLINS, representing self,  Anchorage, Alaska, serves as a                                                               
psychiatric PA for one of  Alaska's most underserved populations.                                                               
She  said  she   has  served  for  eight  years   at  the  Alaska                                                               
Psychiatric  Institute  (API).  She  said  her  work  focuses  on                                                               
providing  crucial mental  health  services in  Alaska. She  said                                                               
supporting SB  115 is imperative  to modernize the  PA profession                                                               
in  Alaska. It  is  essential to  providing  access to  essential                                                               
health care,  including vital psychiatric services.  In her years                                                               
of  practice  at  API  she said  she  has  encountered  countless                                                               
barriers, not  by the complexities  of mental  health conditions,                                                               
but  by  outdated  statutes and  regulations  that  restrict  the                                                               
ability to  offer care  to the  full extent  of a  PAs education,                                                               
training  and   experience.  These   limitations,  such   as  the                                                               
exclusion of PAs  to be listed as mental  health professionals in                                                               
AS   47.39.15,   does   not  just   hinder   the   professional's                                                               
capabilities, but also significantly  affect the wellbeing of the                                                               
communities  they strive  to serve,  where access  to psychiatric                                                               
care is  often a  matter of urgency.  She advocated  defining the                                                               
scope of practice  for PAs at the statute level  and removing the                                                               
requirement for  collaborative plan,  crucial in  psychiatry. She                                                               
said  these changes  are vital,  especially in  rural and  remote                                                               
areas where  psychiatric services  are scarce,  and the  rates of                                                               
mental health issues are often  higher than the national average.                                                               
She said the  changes proposed by SB 115  would allow psychiatric                                                               
PAs like her to fill critical  gaps in mental health care, reduce                                                               
wait times  for psychiatric services  and ultimately  save lives.                                                               
As a  PA she  is trained  to diagnose,  treat and  manage complex                                                               
mental health  conditions safely  and effectively.  Evidence from                                                               
other  state  with  modern  PA practices  support  that  PAs  can                                                               
significantly  improve  access  to  mental  health  care  without                                                               
compromising the quality of care provided.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:32:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN closed  public testimony on SB 115  and sought the                                                               
will of the committee.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MERRICK  moved to  report CSSB  115(HSS), work  order 33-                                                               
LS0542\U,  from  committee  with individual  recommendations  and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:32:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN found no objection  and CSSB 115(HSS) was reported                                                               
from the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB115 Public Testimony-Combined 02.28-03.12.24.pdf SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 115
SB115 Sectional Analysis -corrected- ver U 03.05.24.pdf SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 115
SB135 Public Testimony-ACLI Letter Opposing 02.14.24.pdf SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 135
SB135 Public Testimony-Letters of Support 04.05.24.pdf SFIN 5/10/2024 9:00:00 AM
SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 135
SB135 Blank Draft Proposed CS ver U.pdf SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 135
SB135 Public Testimony-Letter_NFIB opposition 04.03.24.pdf SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 135
SB115 Public Testimony-Letter_ACEP_Opposition 04.02.24.pdf SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 115
SB115 Public Testimony-AMA Issue Brief_Summary of Studies.pdf SL&C 4/5/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 115