Legislature(2005 - 2006)BUTROVICH 205
02/16/2005 01:30 PM Senate HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES
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SB 78-SENIOR CARE PROGRAM 2:30:06 PM SENATOR DYSON announced SB 78 to be up for consideration. COMMISSIONER JOEL GILBERTSON, Department of Health and Social Services, advised he was addressing his comments to the committee substitute (CS). The bill deals with extending SeniorCare benefits to Alaska seniors - particularly around prescription drug coverage. The Legislature passed a bill last session that established a $120.00 per month cash assistance program for low-income seniors living below 135 percent of poverty and a prescription drug subsidy for seniors that are between 135 and 150 percent of poverty. That benefit program expires on January 1, 2006 at which time the new, Part D, federal Medicare drug benefit will become effective and provide seniors with prescription drug benefits. Parts A and B are what most Alaska seniors have. Part A relates to in-patient hospital services for seniors; Part B relates to out-patient physician reimbursements; Part C deals with managed care plans under Medicare but isn't used in Alaska; and Part D is the new prescription drug benefit. Each part has associated costs. Part A has its own deductible; Part B has its own premium and deductible for seniors to pay; and Part D will have a premium deductible. Therefore, as seniors enroll in Medicare Part D, those above 135 percent of poverty will be responsible for some premium and deductible costs. Those are first dollar costs, which means they must satisfy those before they may receive benefits under the prescription drug benefit. SB 78 is a proposal under SeniorCare. He emphasized that: First and foremost this legislation states that for seniors above 135 percent of poverty and below 300 percent of poverty, the State of Alaska will cover the premium and deductible costs for those seniors to ensure that there is no senior in this state ... that will not be able to enroll in a comprehensive prescription benefit plan beginning next year. Prescription drugs represent a sizeable part of health care and many seniors in the state are forced to choose between food, rent or prescription drugs. By itself the Medicare drug benefit won't ease that decision for many low-income seniors, but the extension of the $120 per month cash assistance for low-income seniors below 135 percent of poverty will help some. He referenced a chart that looks at what the qualifications and benefits mean in real dollars, and said it's important when talking about income levels. The cash assistance benefit continues at $120 per month or for seniors below 135 percent of poverty. Those individuals won't get state help with prescription drug expenses because the federal government will cover the costs for them. Instead the state acknowledges they have other costs and recognizes that cash is much more flexible. Therefore, seniors below 135 percent of poverty, which is just under $16,000 per individual and about $21,000 per couple, will continue to receive the $120 per month cash assistance. They will receive the Medicare drug benefit with no premium and no deductible. The state expects to serve about 7,000 seniors, which is about the same as the cash assistance program under SeniorCare. The new benefit under SB 78 deals with prescription drug assistance for seniors above 135 percent of poverty and up to 300 percent of poverty. That amounts to just less than $35,000 for an individual and just under $47,000 for a couple. Following an asset test, the state will step in and cover monthly premium and deductible costs, but individuals will still have out of pocket expenses for coinsurance and prescription drugs. Under this proposal, DHSS expects to serve about 10,000 seniors. 2:36:31 PM Comparing old and new SeniorCare prescription drug benefits, he pointed out the considerable savings that seniors would enjoy under the new proposal. 2:38:20 PM As previously stated, DHSS expects to serve about 7,000 people with cash assistance. For the original SeniorCare program, the estimates were accurate for the cash assistance benefit in the 135 percent of poverty bracket, but were somewhat inaccurate between 135 and 150 percent of poverty, which means there is a surplus in the SeniorCare Trust Fund. The surplus will be used to pay for start up and a portion of the first year costs. The fiscal notes indicate increased expenses for the first year because the Medicare drug benefit doesn't begin until the second half of the next state fiscal year. 2:40:00 PM SENATOR KIM ELTON asked the reason the old program didn't eliminate residents in the Pioneer/Veteran Homes while the new proposal does. JON SHERWOOD, Medicaid specialist, Department of Health and Social Services, said both the current program and SB 78 contain provisions for temporary stay in the home. Since the original bill, other statutes have defined public institutions to exclude Pioneer/Veteran Homes. Prior to last session they were included in some definitions so that's why they decided to specify them separately. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON said the justification for excluding those residents is that this would be a redundant benefit since there is already a Pioneer Home Assistance Program. 2:41:44 PM SENATOR ELTON said he was working from Version \A even though Version \G was under consideration so some of his questions might have already been answered. He noted seniors are limited to 30-day out of state trips with exceptions for out of state medical treatment or to accompany a family member who is receiving medical treatment outside the state. However, it isn't an exception to leave the state to care for an ill family member that lives out of state because the senior isn't accompanying the family member outside. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON agreed with the interpretation and said the point is legitimate. He recalled working on the issue last year and acknowledged it would be advantageous to use the language they settled on at that time. He thought there was a waiver process that was established for the department to have discretion on a case-by-case basis. 2:44:38 PM SENATOR ELTON suggested the committee look at the exception language for Permanent Fund dividends to accommodate medical treatment for an immediate family member. He then questioned the effective date. MR. SHERWOOD explained the committee substitute (CS) simplifies the language to have the bill take effect when Medicare Part D becomes available in Alaska. SENATOR ELTON remarked in five years the program would be more expensive than the Longevity Bonus Program. MR. SHERWOOD replied he didn't have five-year numbers, but the projection is to serve about 17,000 seniors in the first year for about $17 million and the Longevity Bonus Program was to serve 15,000 seniors for $38 million. 2:47:43 PM SENATOR ELTON acknowledged that because of the phase out, no one would have been served without this program. CHAIR DYSON asked for an explanation of the differences between Versions \A and \G. MR. SHERWOOD described four changes: conforming language changes; clarifying reference to the Medicare Modernization Act; adding SeniorCare Benefit to the statutory list of items that can not be garnished; and changing effective date to eliminate reference to January 1. 2:49:52 PM SENATOR ELTON moved to adopt Version \G as the working document. There being no objection, the motion carried. CHAIR DYSON suggested the committee entertain a conceptual amendment to make eligibility the same as for the Permanent Fund Dividend as far as traveling out of state. SENATOR ELTON said he would like to review that before moving the bill since he didn't remember the language precisely. CHAIR DYSON expressed agreement and said he is uncomfortable that seniors must go through a waiver process to go outside for medical reasons. He added the department would have an opportunity to speak against the change here and in the Senate Finance Standing Committee. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON said the department really doesn't monitor senior travel patterns and that particular change in the program management might be minimal. Acknowledging that it is within Legislature's purview to change, he said the current language has proved to be adequate to address the issue in the last year. SENATOR WILKEN suggested it is important for the committee to know how many other states have this type of program and how other states are treating the federal drug prescription program. He suggested that western states were of particular interest. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON said he would make the information available at the next hearing, but other states haven't begun to respond to the integration between the state pharmacy assisted plan and Medicare drug benefits. The Medicare, Part D, drug benefit would be delivered in a different way than Medicare Part A and Part B. Part D would essentially be delivered through private insurance - pharmacy benefit management firms. At least two firms would bid on each region after which the region is assigned an actuarial value per life of individuals that would be served. Then the actuarial/cash value is converted to a benefit for the consumers. He suggested many states are digesting the information and deciding how to convert what used to be a Medicaid benefit to a supplement to Medicare. 2:56:05 PM SENATOR WILKEN said he would prefer not to move the bill from committee in order to provide time for further clarification. CHAIR DYSON asked the process used to decide that 300 percent of the federal poverty level was the right number to use. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON replied he would provide information regarding what the various income threshold options mean. To some extent, he said, the line is discretionary and there is nothing to peg it to in the private market place. Governor Murkowski has taken the position that the threshold should be low enough so that seniors in need are served. He doesn't want any senior in the state not to be enrolled in a prescription drug benefit next year because they aren't able to afford the premium or deductible, which is sizeable. The out of pocket expense before the first benefit is received is around $700. After reviewing the income levels, the governor decided that for a senior who makes less than $35,000 per year a $670 deductible is high so that's where he drew the line. CHAIR DYSON asked whether the poverty level is $10,000 per year for a single person. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON replied the Alaska poverty level is higher than the national average by 25 percent and in Alaska, 100 percent of poverty is between $11,000 and $12,000 per year. Where you draw the poverty line is the discretion of policy makers, he emphasized. 2:59:56 PM CHAIR DYSON asked whether there is an asset test. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON said yes, for the seniors who receive the $120 cash assistance benefit, the liquid asset limit per individual is $6,000. The secondary benefit, the prescription drug subsidy liquid asset level is $50,000. CHAIR DYSON asked about non-liquid assets. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON replied there is none. CHAIR DYSON noted the in state advertisements for restructuring assets to qualify for different programs and remarked that some of it looks like scam. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON agreed and said it has been a constant struggle for states and the federal government to keep up with lawyers that work to reduce senior's assets. The fiscal crisis in Medicaid is largely associated with senior and disability services. Middle and upper middle income Americans are spending down parents and transferring assets when they need long-term care. Although both federal and state look-backs have become stricter, a great number of lawyers are still helping seniors become eligible for programs such as this. 3:02:39 PM CHAIR DYSON said if 40 percent of the senior population would qualify that means that that 40 percent of seniors are living under the 300 percent of federal poverty level. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON replied it's a rough estimate, but if 17,000 seniors are served it's about 40 percent. CHAIR DYSON announced he would hold the bill and would be interested in the department looking into the qualifications for being out of state and whether the permanent fund is a good model. SENATOR WILKEN said he would like to know what other states are doing with regard to the federal program. 3:04:33 PM CHAIR DYSON said he would be interested in comparisons with Colorado and Idaho. SENATOR DONNY OLSON asked for information on the distribution of rural participants. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON agreed to do so. CHAIR DYSON asked for information about what additional benefits people might qualify for. COMMISSIONER GILBERTSON said he would get the information and clarified there would be some dual eligibility so the program would be available to Alaska Natives who are eligible for Indian Health Service (IHS) benefits. He would provide information on the number of dual eligibilities and the benefits they have access to, but it is well established in law that benefits will be provided to all individuals regardless of whether or not they are eligible under IHS or a Native health corporation. 3:07:00 PM CHAIR DYSON said he could appreciate that, but doesn't want someone to receive payment twice for the same drug. SENATOR ELTON expressed interest in whether the previous program had pro rata language and also in departmental discussions about inserting pro rata language in this bill. 3:08:24 PM CHAIR DYSON held SB 78 in committee.
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