Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

04/18/2023 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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+= SB 77 MUNI PROP TAX EXEMPTION/TAX BLIGHTED PROP TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 77(CRA) Out of Committee
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+= HB 99 DISCRIMINATION: GENDER ID.;SEXUAL ORIENT. TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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        SB 77-MUNI PROP TAX EXEMPTION/TAX BLIGHTED PROP                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:05:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK announced that the  first order of business would                                                               
be  CS FOR  SENATE  BILL  NO. 77(CRA)  am,  "An  Act relating  to                                                               
municipal property tax; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:05:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FORREST  DUNBAR,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as  prime                                                               
sponsor, presented  SB 77, which is  the companion to HB  84 from                                                               
Representative Sumner  that would  provide two optional  tools to                                                               
municipalities  for the  purposes of  (indisc.) construction  and                                                               
property development.   He offered  his understanding  that there                                                               
may be  an amendment offered  today in reference to  defining the                                                               
term "blighted".                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:06:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK opened public testimony on CSSB 77(CRA).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:07:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET AUTH, representing self, testified  in support of SB 77.                                                               
She explained she  has lived in Spenard  [Anchorage], Alaska, for                                                               
35  years  and is  an  active  member  of the  Spenard  Community                                                               
Council.  She described her  activity working in code enforcement                                                               
to  try   to  get  some   movement  on  abandoned   and  derelict                                                               
properties, as well as working  with the assembly to make housing                                                               
more affordable.  She pointed  out that the abandoned houses tend                                                               
to be  used for drug dens  and squatters, which in  turn can also                                                               
become fire hazards and lead to lower property values.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:10:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARI BARGIL,  Senior Attorney, Institute  for Justice,  stated his                                                               
concern  is that  there is  no  definition of  "blight", and  his                                                               
interest  is in  finding  out what  the  proposed amendment  will                                                               
contain.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:13:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS SCHUTTE, representing self, testified  in support of SB 77.                                                               
He stated the timing of the  bill is critical; housing is in dire                                                               
need in  Alaska, and the costs  of construction of new  homes are                                                               
at all-time highs.  He encouraged  the committee to pass the bill                                                               
and   allow  the   state  to   help  develop   neighborhoods  and                                                               
communities across Alaska.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:14:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM  SPIEGELMAN, Attorney,  Pacific  Legal Foundation,  cautioned                                                               
that  the lack  of  definition  for any  sort  of "blight"  opens                                                               
floodgates for local abuse of the definition.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:17:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETHANY MARCUM,  Alaska Policy Forum, testified  in opposition to                                                               
SB  77.   She  stated  the bill  under  consideration would  give                                                               
Alaska's  boroughs and  municipalities  "carte  blanche" to  call                                                               
commercial  and some  personal  properties  "blighted," and  then                                                               
levy  taxes  on those  properties.    As  written, there  are  no                                                               
guardrails for  defining what constitutes "blighted"  property to                                                               
protect Alaska property owners from this "government overreach."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:20:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS HULL,  Americans for Tax  Reform, testified  in opposition                                                               
to  SB 77.   He  stated  that it  would  be one  of the  broadest                                                               
frameworks  for local  blight tax  authorizations in  the nation,                                                               
and municipalities would have to  ability to adopt any definition                                                               
of "blight"  that they like, as  well as impose a  very heavy new                                                               
tax burden amongst the 60 percent.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:23:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK,  after ascertaining that  there was no  one else                                                               
who wished to testify, closed public testimony on SB 77.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:23:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE   ROBBINS,    Executive   Director,    Anchorage   Community                                                               
Development Authority,  gave invited  testimony in support  of SB
77.   He  explained the  first part  of the  bill is  an economic                                                               
incentive  to help  drive housing  development across  the state.                                                               
The second  part of  the bill he  called a  "blighted incentive."                                                               
He  explained  that  currently,   municipalities  have  no  tools                                                               
available to encourage redevelopment  of blighted properties, and                                                               
the blighted  section of the  bill would give  municipalities the                                                               
tools  they  need to  help  redevelop  needed housing  and  other                                                               
commercial property.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:27:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked  Mr. Robbins to explain  how the bill                                                               
would benefit more than just Anchorage.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBBINS explained that he  had been involved in conversations                                                               
as   the  Community   Development   Authority  contemplated   the                                                               
legislation, and  blighted in Bethel,  Alaska, is  different than                                                               
blighted  in Anchorage,  Alaska.   Local  municipalities need  to                                                               
have some  leeway to  be able  to define  what that  means within                                                               
their jurisdiction.   The amendment would provide  the right kind                                                               
of guardrails for that.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:29:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY expressed  that he is a  defender of private                                                               
property rights, and  asked if there is a mechanism  for appeal -                                                               
to give the  property owner a place to say  whether a property is                                                               
blighted or not.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBBINS replied  it  is not  the intention  of  the bill  to                                                               
violate private  property rights.   He  envisioned that  for each                                                               
locale  would be  an arduous  but complete  public process.   The                                                               
municipality would go through steps  to notify the property owner                                                               
ahead of time with ample time to submit a plan.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:31:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY stated  his belief that it  is important for                                                               
a property owner to have a  chance to defend themself and not get                                                               
"railroaded."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBBINS  affirmed this is not  a punitive measure.   The goal                                                               
through  the bill  would be  that cities  can work  with property                                                               
owners to encourage redevelopment - not take anything away.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:33:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MEARS   observed   in  the   amendment   several                                                               
opportunities for remediation and  working with local governments                                                               
to improve things.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBBINS agreed  and said the intention behind the  bill is to                                                               
offer multiple opportunities for the  property owner to work with                                                               
the city for redevelopment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:34:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBBINS,  in  response to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
McCabe,  reiterated that  as  the  legislation was  contemplated,                                                               
municipalities  would have  the  ability to  create  a system  of                                                               
support.   The intention behind the  bill is not to  collect more                                                               
tax, but to encourage redevelopment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:37:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBBINS, in  response to  Representative Himschoot,  related                                                               
that there  are at least  18 states that have  defined "blighted"                                                               
to varying  degrees, but it has  worked in most of  those states.                                                               
The first resort  would not be to "whack someone  with a blighted                                                               
tax," he remarked.  In response  to a follow-up question, he said                                                               
the  other states  have provided  a guide  for municipalities  to                                                               
manage their own processes at the local level.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:39:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL  POPP,  President  &  CEO,  Anchorage  Economic  Development                                                               
Corporation, testified  in support  of SB  77, in  particular the                                                               
tax  abatement language  in the  bill  is an  important new  tool                                                               
added to the "limited toolbox" that already exists.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:41:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK moved  to  adopt Amendment  1  to CSSB  77(CRA),                                                               
labeled 33-LS0416\S.A.3, Dunmire, 4/17/23, which read:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 13, following "blighted;":                                                                                    
        Insert "the standards must include the following                                                                        
     requirements:                                                                                                              
               (A)  the condition of the property endangers                                                                     
     public health and safety;                                                                                                  
               (B)  the property has been declared a public                                                                     
      nuisance under a local housing, building, plumbing,                                                                       
     fire, or other related code or ordinance;                                                                                  
               (C)  the property has been vacant for not                                                                        
     less than one year;                                                                                                        
               (D)  the unsecured, vacant, or deteriorated                                                                      
       state of the property has caused it to become the                                                                        
     subject or center of repeated illegal activity; and                                                                        
               (E)  the property is                                                                                             
               (i)  open to the elements;                                                                                       
               (ii)  unfit for occupancy; or                                                                                    
               (iii)  a fire hazard;"                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:41:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PATKOTAK objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK withdrew  his motion  to adopt  Amendment 1,  in                                                               
response to Representative  McCabe pointing out he  was the maker                                                               
of the amendment.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:42:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  moved  to   adopt  Amendment  1  to  CSSB
77(CRA),   labeled  33-LS0416\S.A.3,   Dunmire,  4/17/23,   [text                                                               
previously  provided].   He explained  Amendment  1 would  define                                                               
"blighted" and set  the controls that are necessary  to flesh out                                                               
Section 2 of the bill, regarding "blighted tax".                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:43:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT   inquired  about   the  intent   of  a                                                               
conceptual  amendment for  Amendment 1  [in the  committee packet                                                               
and not yet offered].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:44:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Amendment 1.   There being  no objection, Conceptual  Amendment 1                                                               
to Amendment  1 was adopted.   [Included in the  committee packet                                                               
is a  page from Representative  McCabe that describes  the intent                                                               
of  Conceptual Amendment  1 to  Amendment  1, and  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     This is  a conceptual  amendment. Legislative  Legal is                                                                    
     directed  to  make  any changes  or  deletions  to  the                                                                    
     suggested  language,  including technical,  conforming,                                                                    
     or bill title changes, in order accomplish the intent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     INTENT OF  AMENDMENT: To  add language  clarifying that                                                                    
     the definition of "blighted" may  include one, some, or                                                                    
     all of the items listed  on the amendment. As currently                                                                    
     written,  it  could  be interpreted  that  all  of  the                                                                    
     descriptions in  the amendment  are necessary  in order                                                                    
     for a property to be deemed "blighted".                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Suggested Language:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 9, following "activity;"                                                                                      
     Delete "and"                                                                                                               
     Insert "or"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:45:20 AM                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PATKOTAK removed  his objection  to Amendment  1,                                                               
[as amended].  There being  no further objection, Amendment 1, as                                                               
amended, was adopted.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:46:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNBAR,  in  closing,  expressed  appreciation  for  the                                                               
comments  heard  and the  work  done  by  the committee  to  help                                                               
improve the bill.   He stated he hoped everyone  can move forward                                                               
together and increase the amount of housing in the state.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:47:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  reemphasized   that  under  the  proposed                                                               
legislation, a municipality would not  "take your home from under                                                               
you," and the language assures that.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:48:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:48 a.m. to 8:51 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:51:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  moved to report CSSB  77(CRA), as amended,                                                               
out  of   committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  the                                                               
accompanying  fiscal notes,  and to  authorize Legislative  Legal                                                               
Services to  make any conforming and  technical changes necessary                                                               
to implement the intent of the committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:52:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PATKOTAK objected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:52:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:52 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:52:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[The  objection   by  Representative  Patkotak  was   treated  as                                                               
removed.]                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK announced  there  being no  objection, HCS  CSSB
77(CRA)  was reported  out of  the House  Community and  Regional                                                               
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                                     

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 99 Letters of Opposition as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
HB 99
HB 99 Letters of Support as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
HB 99
SB 77 Letter of Opposition as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77
SB 77 Letters of Support as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77
SB 77 Amendment S.A.3.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77
HB 99 Amendment B.4.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
HB 99
SB 77 Conceptual Amendment to Amendment 1.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77