Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/11/2001 01:10 PM House RES

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SB 76 - RIGHT-OF-WAY LEASING ACT                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK  announced that the  next order of  business would                                                               
be SPONSOR  SUBSTITUTE FOR SENATE  BILL NO. 76, "An  Act relating                                                               
to  the Alaska  Right-of-Way Leasing  Act; and  providing for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1295                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WILDA RODMAN, Staff to Senator Gene Therriault, Alaska State                                                                    
Legislature, gave a brief overview of the bill by paraphrasing                                                                  
the sponsor statement, which read:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill 76  makes three  important changes  to the                                                                    
     1972 Alaska  Right-of-Way Leasing Act, which  gives the                                                                    
     Department of Natural Resources  [DNR] the authority to                                                                    
     lease state land for oil and gas pipelines.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     First, SB  76 increases  the maximum term  of right-of-                                                                    
     way  lease renewals  from the  current 10  years to  30                                                                    
     years.   Leases  for several  pipelines, including  the                                                                    
     Trans-Alaska   Pipeline   System,  Endicott,   Kuparuk,                                                                    
     Oliktok and  Milne Point all  expire in May, 2004.   SB
     76 changes the  length of terms for  renewals only, not                                                                    
     the length of  the original lease term,  so the renewal                                                                    
     process for  the pipelines with  leases that  expire in                                                                    
     2004 will  proceed uninterrupted.  The  30-year term of                                                                    
     renewal is  consistent with that  of federal  grants of                                                                    
     right-of-way  for  oil  and  gas  pipelines,  and  will                                                                    
     result  in significant  savings  of time  and money  to                                                                    
     industry and the state.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     A section of the bill  allows for existing leases to be                                                                    
     amended,   upon  request,   to   incorporate  the   new                                                                    
     provision for renewal  periods of up to 30  years.  The                                                                    
     bill also  places in statute  a provision  allowing for                                                                    
     the extension  of leases under their  existing terms if                                                                    
     the lessee  has applied for  renewal, but the  terms of                                                                    
     the lease  are still under  negotiation at the  date of                                                                    
     expiration.   The  language proposed  in AS  385.110(b)                                                                    
     states  that the  leases shall  be continued  until the                                                                    
     commissioner issues a final determination on renewal.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Although current statutes  give the commissioner leeway                                                                    
     to  extend a  right-of-way  lease or  grant an  interim                                                                    
     lease pending finalization  of a renewal determination,                                                                    
     I believe  the procedure for extending  a lease pending                                                                    
     renewal needs to  be set out in statute.   Although DNR                                                                    
     believes it  can adhere t  a self-imposed  deadline for                                                                    
     renewing  leases  before  they  expire,  I  think  such                                                                    
     rationale  injects  unnecessary  uncertainty  into  the                                                                    
     renewal process.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Second, the bill amends the  definition of "state land"                                                                    
     for  purposes  of  the   right-of-way  leasing  Act  to                                                                    
     include only  land in which  the interest owned  by the                                                                    
     state is  sufficient to  permit the  state to  lease it                                                                    
     under  the  authority  of  the  Department  of  Natural                                                                    
     Resources.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Third, the bill requires  lessees under new and renewed                                                                    
     right-of-way leases  to reimburse the stated  for costs                                                                    
     associated with  monitoring the  operation, maintenance                                                                    
     and  termination  of  pipelines on  state  right-of-way                                                                    
     leases.   The  bill  requires the  commissioner to  use                                                                    
     best efforts to reach agreement  with the lessee on the                                                                    
     cost reimbursement  and to provide  the lessee  with an                                                                    
     annual  estimate of  the projected  costs and  scope of                                                                    
     the work.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1021                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STEVEN (ph)  JONES, Manager, TAPS [Trans  Alaska Pipeline System]                                                               
Right-of-Way   Renewal  Project,   thanked   the  committee   for                                                               
considering the bill.   He said SSSB 76  contains language agreed                                                               
upon among  TAPS, the  administration, and the  DNR.   He offered                                                               
that  SSSB 76  is  "a good  solution to  a  few relatively  minor                                                               
administrative issues that we had on renewal."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0965                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked Mr. Jones  if renewals in other states                                                               
are typically of this magnitude,  and rather than being every ten                                                               
years, are over an extended period of time.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JONES  replied  that  he  could  not  say  what  the  common                                                               
situation is  in other states;  however, the  federal provisions,                                                               
which have  frequently been  used over the  years for  renewal in                                                               
the Lower 48, are for a maximum 30-year period.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said  it has been rumored -   because of the                                                               
concern  about environment-related  challenges  -  that if  there                                                               
isn't  an EIS  [environmental impact  statement] prepared,  there                                                               
could be court challenges and  [the process] could get "tied up."                                                               
He asked Mr. Jones whether he  thought that if the renewal period                                                               
were over  a lesser  period of  time - ten  years, for  example -                                                               
"this same  sort of  thing would  have to  be gone  through every                                                               
time."   He stated his  understanding that "multiple  millions of                                                               
dollars" are involved in getting this renewal.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES  said the  reason there  is a need  to go  through NEPA                                                               
[National  Environmental  Policy  Act   of  1969]  compliance  is                                                               
because of  a federal requirement.   He stated  his understanding                                                               
that the  Secretary of the  Interior has determined an  EIS would                                                               
be necessary.   He noted there  is no state requirement  to do an                                                               
EIS or comply with NEPA.  He continued:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  federal  rules,  again,   provide  for  a  30-year                                                                    
     renewal,  so ...  depending on  the determination  that                                                                    
     was  made  by,  in  this   case,  the  Bureau  of  Land                                                                    
     Management, [which]  administers the federal  grant, we                                                                    
     could have  to go through  another renewal in  a lesser                                                                    
     period of  time than  30 years; but  that's one  of the                                                                    
     decisions   that  the   Secretary   has   to  make   in                                                                    
     determining whether  or not to renew  the right-of-way,                                                                    
     is the duration of the lease.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The main reason that we  ... suggested the amendment to                                                                    
     the  state statute  is because  we're regulated  by the                                                                    
     Joint Pipeline Office, which, of  course, is a combined                                                                    
     federal and  state office.   And really it was  just to                                                                    
     put  the two  offices on  similar footing,  so that  we                                                                    
     didn't have the state looking  at a renewal over a more                                                                    
     frequent  period  of  time  than  the  federal  renewal                                                                    
     period,  since the  two of  them work  together and  we                                                                    
     work together with them.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0662                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA asked  how long TAPS is  projected to run                                                               
and what the  production levels are projected to be  for the next                                                               
30 years.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JONES  answered that  "we"  plan  to submit  an  application                                                               
called a "duration  report."  He offered the belief  - based upon                                                               
reports  from the  U.S. Department  of Energy,  for example,  and                                                               
just  associated  with  the  existing  areas,  not  ANWR  [Arctic                                                               
National Wildlife Refuge] or NPRA  [National Petroleum Reserve of                                                               
Alaska]  -  that  "we'll"  have   sufficient  oil  in  commercial                                                               
qualities to transport off the  Slope, through TAPS, for at least                                                               
another 30  years.  He  added, "Granted,  no one can  predict the                                                               
price of oil, so this is with some caveat there."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0490                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE  noted  that  Mr. Jones  had  mentioned  the                                                               
request of  the Secretary of the  Interior for an EIS.   He asked                                                               
if that  had been  under a  different administration  and whether                                                               
there had been an opportunity to reverse that.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JONES  replied that  the  decision  had  been made  under  a                                                               
different   administration   by,   he  believed,   an   assistant                                                               
secretary.  He  said there was also a  solicitor's opinion issued                                                               
on the  applicability of NEPA to  the renewal decision.   It is a                                                               
decision that was  made and that is subject to  review by the new                                                               
Secretary [of  the Interior];  however "we"  have to  comply with                                                               
the existing one made in 1999.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE  said   based  upon  Representative  Green's                                                               
earlier  suggestion, it  might be  more  prudent to  do the  EIS,                                                               
rather   than  to   run  the   risk  of   eventual  environmental                                                               
litigation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0299                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE moved  to report  SSSB 76  out of  committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.   There being no objection,  SSSB 76 was moved  out of the                                                               
House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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