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02/07/2025 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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                SB  75-TIMBER MANAGEMENT LEASES                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:12:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL announced  the consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 75                                                               
"An Act  relating to  timber on state  lands; relating  to timber                                                               
management leases; and providing for an effective date."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:13:18 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN BOYLE, Commissioner, Alaska  Department of Natural Resources                                                               
(DNR), Anchorage, Alaska,  introduced a presentation on  SB 75 by                                                               
first  introducing  himself  and  Jeremy  Douse,  the  new  state                                                               
forester.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BOYLE said  SB 75  aimed to  revitalize the  timber                                                               
industry in Alaska in line  with the broader theme for Department                                                               
of Natural Resources (DNR) which is  to think about how the state                                                               
monetizes and considers these  neglected sectors [agriculture and                                                               
timber] of the economy.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BOYLE  reminisced about  the robust  timber industry                                                               
in Alaska  with multiple pulp  mills and logging camps  and noted                                                               
notes that Alaska's timber played  a significant role in building                                                               
towns  and supplying  timber worldwide.  He  said the  industry's                                                               
decline  began  in  the  1990s with  changes  in  federal  forest                                                               
management, particularly on the  Tongass National Forest and that                                                               
the  economic challenges  and the  lack of  a market  for various                                                               
timber products led to the industry's steady decline.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:17:42 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER BOYLE  said the state  had over 50 million  acres of                                                               
forested land, a relatively small  amount of which was classified                                                               
as state  forest and most  of the  land was not  actively managed                                                               
for  timber.  He  noted  loss   of  timber  due  to  bark  beetle                                                               
infestations and wildfire and suggested  those losses were due to                                                               
lack of management. He said  those losses impacted the commercial                                                               
activities of businesses that were  creating cabin kits, cabinets                                                               
and other types of furniture.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BOYLE said  SB 75  aimed to  create a  structure to                                                               
incentivize  private  investment  in   state  forested  lands  to                                                               
manage, replant  trees, apply commercial thinning  techniques and                                                               
other forest management practices  to maximize timber production.                                                               
He said  SB 75 was  based on  successful practices in  Canada and                                                               
other  countries with  robust timber  industries. He  highlighted                                                               
Sweden's successful  silviculture program and  its multi-billion-                                                               
dollar  timber industry  and suggested  that  Alaska could  adopt                                                               
similar management  philosophies to  create new  opportunities in                                                               
the timber sector.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BOYLE said the state  would continue to exercise its                                                               
regulatory  and constitutional  responsibilities  to protect  the                                                               
natural  environment and  ensure sustained  yield while  allowing                                                               
private investment  to create  new jobs  and economic  growth. He                                                               
said SB 75 would revitalize  Alaska's timber industry and make it                                                               
a more significant contributor to the state's economic growth.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:22:37 PM                                                                                                                    
JEREMY DOUSE,  State Forester and Director,  Division of Forestry                                                               
and Fire Protection, Department  of Natural Resources, Fairbanks,                                                               
Alaska,  moved to  slide 2  and began  a presentation  on SB  75.                                                               
Slide 2  is a map of  Alaska, illustrating the Forested  Lands in                                                               
State Ownership. He  said the presentation aimed  to provide some                                                               
background and a snapshot of  forestry in Alaska now and describe                                                               
a  plan.  He  emphasized  the challenge  of  inaccessibility  and                                                               
timber quality variations of these  forests. He said Alaska owned                                                               
52.5 million  acres of  forested land,  with the  Division having                                                               
inventoried  3.7  million  acres,  primarily  focusing  on  state                                                               
forests and accessible lands suitable for management.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Forested Lands in State Ownership                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     52.5 million acres of state-owned forested land                                                                            
     3.7 million acres of forest inventory complete.                                                                            
     2.1 million acres of designated state forest                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Forested Lands by Area                                                                                                   
     Area                Acres                                                                                                
     Chugach             136,314                                                                                                
     Copper River        3,730,988                                                                                              
     Delta               1,658,487                                                                                              
     Fairbanks           5,910,490                                                                                              
     Galena              2,989,325                                                                                              
     Haines              175,367                                                                                                
     Kenai               551,237                                                                                                
     Military            8,214                                                                                                  
     MatSu               4,245,016                                                                                              
     SouthWest           18,454,307                                                                                             
     Tanana              7,525,903                                                                                              
     Tok                 281,656                                                                                                
     Tongass             281,656                                                                                                
     Upper Yukon         3,488,127                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:23:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE  noted the  lack  of  [state] ownership  in  Southeast                                                               
[Alaska]  and  on  the  Kenai  Peninsula  and  in  South  Central                                                               
[Alaska],  where some  of  our most  productive  forests are.  He                                                               
explained  these were  federal forests,  the Tongass  and Chugach                                                               
National Forests.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:24:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE moved  to slide 3 and said  the administration's vision                                                               
for the  state's forest assets focused  on increasing stewardship                                                               
and  use of  state forested  lands to  improve forest  health and                                                               
community  protection.  Increased management  activities  include                                                               
building more  infrastructure, roads and bridges,  to gain access                                                               
and  conducting  more   silvicultural  activities  to  manipulate                                                               
forest stands and  meet desired future conditions.  He said these                                                               
activities  would  boost the  forest  products  industry and  its                                                               
impact on the  state's economy, particularly in  rural areas, and                                                               
utilize local  resources more effectively.  He noted  that Alaska                                                               
consumes approximately  100 to 120  million board feet  of forest                                                               
products  annually and  a significant  portion was  imported from                                                               
Canada and  the lower 48  states. The desire  was to use  more of                                                               
the local resource to meet the local need.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     [Photo of milled lumber.]                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Vision for Alaska's forest assets                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        • Maximum use of Alaska's land and resources                                                                            
          consistent with Alaska Constitution                                                                                   
        • Increase forest management activity on state                                                                          
          lands                                                                                                                 
        • Create economic opportunities                                                                                         
        • Increase the in-state manufacture of forest                                                                           
          products                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:26:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE moved  to slide  4  and said  SB 75  aimed to  enhance                                                               
forest  management  by  partnering  with the  private  sector  to                                                               
increase  on-the-ground activities.  He  expressed gratitude  for                                                               
the legislature's support  in passing the lumber  grading bill in                                                               
2024  and  the expedited  timber  sale  bill, which  benefit  the                                                               
industry.  He emphasized  that SB  75  was the  next step  toward                                                               
allowing the industry  to build and grow capacity  by focusing on                                                               
actively managing forest resources.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     [Photo of a log yard.]                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     How to get there?                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        • Partner   with   private    sector   to   increase                                                                    
          management activity while protecting public lands                                                                     
         principles provided for in Alaska Constitution                                                                         
             • Recreation and public access                                                                                     
             • Hunting/fishing                                                                                                  
             • Subsistence                                                                                                      
        • Benefits   of   public   land   while   addressing                                                                    
          challenges regarding lack of private land                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:27:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE moved  to and narrated slide 5. He  said current forest                                                               
conditions in  Alaska are  typically mature  or old  forests with                                                               
difficult  access.  He  contrasted  that  with  actively  managed                                                               
forests  and  explained  that  active  management  results  in  a                                                               
variety of  age classes  and forest  cover types,  increasing the                                                               
system's  resilience to  disturbances and  benefiting the  forest                                                               
products sector  by providing more raw  materials for value-added                                                               
products. He  said forest succession trajectories  are altered by                                                               
active  management, diversifying  forest  stands  on the  ground,                                                               
increasing  resilience  and  aiding in  community  protection  by                                                               
mitigating risks from wildfires and beetle outbreaks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     [Autumn photo of diverse species forest.]                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Defining 'active forest management'                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • The   intentional,   planned   and   science-based                                                                    
          actions foresters engage in to meet society's                                                                         
          needs of forested ecosystems                                                                                          
             • Diversifies habitat conditions                                                                                   
             • Provides for essential wood products and                                                                         
               economic opportunity                                                                                             
             • Creates resiliency for disturbance and the                                                                       
               effects of a changing climate                                                                                    
             • Sets a successional trajectory for a desired                                                                     
               condition                                                                                                        
        • Passive management perpetuates a forest condition                                                                     
          until    a    natural    disturbance    introduces                                                                    
          successional change                                                                                                   
             • Depending on disturbance severity, can lead                                                                      
               to undesired conditions or a lack of forest                                                                      
               cover                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:28:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE moved to slide  6, illustrating examples of disturbance                                                               
events in mature forests.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Benefits of active forest management                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
     [Photo of a forest impacted by windfall.]                                                                                  
     [Photo of a bark beetle.]                                                                                                  
     [Photo of a forest following a recent fire.]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:29:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE  explained that the first  photo on slide 6  was from a                                                               
significant wind event  that occurred in the  upper Tanana region                                                               
in   2014,   highlighting  the   lack   of   management  due   to                                                               
inaccessibility. He said old forests  in these areas often suffer                                                               
from root  rot and  various stem rots,  which are  exacerbated by                                                               
wind  events leading  to blow  downs. Big  blow down  areas often                                                               
result  in  outbreaks  of  insects like  IPS  beetles  or  spruce                                                               
beetles. He compared that with  examples of management activities                                                               
in specific areas  like Willard Creek Road in  the Susitna Valley                                                               
and Wise Owl Road near  Soldotna, where vigorous spruce seedlings                                                               
are observed, explaining  that young trees are  more resistant to                                                               
insect infestation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:30:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE  said fire was  another common  disturbance, especially                                                               
in  the  boreal  forest,  where  black  spruce  requires  it  for                                                               
regeneration. Management strategies  include creating fuel breaks                                                               
and thinning  to prevent  fires near  communities and  to utilize                                                               
the  material for  market purposes,  enhancing forest  health and                                                               
resilience.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:31:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE moved  to  slide  7 and  highlighted  the benefits  of                                                               
active  forest management,  using an  example from  the southeast                                                               
state forest  comparing two areas of  a forest, one of  which was                                                               
thinned, and  the other was  not. He emphasized the  necessity of                                                               
increasing  thinning  projects  in Southeast  Alaska  to  enhance                                                               
forest health and habitat suitability for wildlife.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Benefits of active forest management                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
        [Photo of a forest with space between trees and                                                                         
     diverse undergrowth.]                                                                                                      
     Thinned 30-year-old stand, Southeast State Forest                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
       [Photo of a forest with dense tree population and                                                                        
     little undergrowth.]                                                                                                       
     Un-thinned 30-year-old stand, Southeast State Forest                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:31:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE moved to and narrated slide 8.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Senate Bill 75: Timber Management Leases                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
       • New framework to enable leases of state timber                                                                         
          resource with agreement to manage forest for state                                                                    
          values                                                                                                                
       • Provides timber operators greater certainty that                                                                       
          drives additional investment                                                                                          
       • Includes built-for-purpose terms covering competition,                                                                 
          public input                                                                                                          
       • Flexible to accommodate range of project/lease                                                                         
          concepts                                                                                                              
       • Leases possible on state forested land and state                                                                       
          forests                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:32:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE moved  to  slide  9 and  discussed  the potential  for                                                               
leases to  include management activities to  forestry operations.                                                               
These   activities   could    include   road   construction   and                                                               
maintenance,   bridge    construction,   timber    harvest,   and                                                               
silvicultural practices like  reforestation and site preparation.                                                               
He  suggested   suggested  that   the  industry  could   take  on                                                               
responsibilities   usually  managed   by  the   state,  including                                                               
intermediate treatments such as  pre-commercial thinning and fire                                                               
mitigation. He  said this approach  could increase  efficiency in                                                               
meeting   reforestation   requirements  and   forest   management                                                               
overall.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Management activities under leases                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        • Road construction and maintenance                                                                                     
        • Bridge construction                                                                                                   
        • Timber harvest                                                                                                        
        • Reforestation and site preparation                                                                                    
        • Intermediate treatments                                                                                               
        • Planning                                                                                                              
        • Fire mitigation                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:33:45 PM                                                                                                                    
RENA   MILLER,   Special    Assistant,   Commissioner's   Office,                                                               
Department of Natural Resources,  Anchorage, Alaska, provided the                                                               
Sectional Analysis for SB 75. Slide 10 provided an outline of                                                                   
the sectional analysis.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
               Senate Bill 75 Sectional Analysis                                                                              
             Short Title: Timber Management Leases                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  1  adds a  new  paragraph  to AS  36.30.850(b)                                                                  
     exempting   timber   management   leases   from   state                                                                    
     procurement laws.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2  amends AS  38.05.035(e)(6) to  exempt timber                                                                  
     management  leases  from   the  typical  best  interest                                                                    
     finding  requirement as  Section 4  provides a  process                                                                    
     specific to timber leases.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3 amends  AS 38.05.075(a)  to exempt  a timber                                                                  
     management lease  (proposed AS 38.05.124)  from typical                                                                    
     competitive bid  requirements, as Section 4  proposes a                                                                    
     process specific to timber management leases.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:35:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER continued to explain the sectional analysis for SB 75                                                                
and said Section 4 was the heart of the new timber management                                                                   
leasing program.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4  amends  AS  38.05  by  adding  new  section                                                                  
     38.05.124  governing  timber   management  leases.  The                                                                    
     proposed  new  section  allows  for  timber  management                                                                    
     leases for  harvest and management  of timber  on state                                                                    
     forest  land  for  the result  of  sustained  yield  of                                                                    
     merchantable  timber, managed  in  accordance with  the                                                                    
     Forest   Resource   Practices  Act's   regulatory   and                                                                    
     administrative  standards under  AS  41.17.060, if  the                                                                    
     Department  of  Natural  Resources  (DNR)  commissioner                                                                    
     finds  it is  in the  best interest  of the  state. The                                                                    
     section, among other things:                                                                                               
          • Sets minimum lease requirements                                                                                     
          • Establishes a competitive process and sets                                                                          
             award criteria                                                                                                     
          • Requires public notice before issuing a lease                                                                       
          • Limits leases to 55 years with a one-time                                                                           
             renewal option                                                                                                     
          • Enables DNR to terminate a lease if terms are                                                                       
             not met                                                                                                            
          • Requires a fair return to the state, and                                                                            
          • Defines "forest land."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:36:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER continued to explain the sectional analysis for SB
75.                                                                                                                             
     Sections 5-7 amend statutes governing the Haines State                                                                     
       Forest Resource Management Area, which is located                                                                        
     separately in statute from laws governing other state                                                                      
                            forests.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5  amends  AS 41.15.300(b)  to  allow  DNR  to                                                                  
     delegate  the  management  of  timber  located  in  the                                                                    
     Haines State  Forest Resource Management Area  (HSF) in                                                                    
     a timber management lease.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section  6  amends  AS 41.15.315(a)  to  exempt  timber                                                                  
     management   leases  within   HSF   from  the   general                                                                    
     provisions of  the Forest  Resources and  Practices Act                                                                    
     (AS 41.17),  except as required  under the  new leasing                                                                    
     provisions in proposed AS 05.124  in bill Section 4, as                                                                    
     the lease  will include management  guidelines specific                                                                    
     to that lease.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  7 amends  AS  41.15.315(d)  which governs  the                                                                  
     sale  and  disposal of  lands  within  HSF. Allows  the                                                                    
     commissioner  to issue  a  timber  management lease  in                                                                    
     HSF. Page 2 of 2 34-GS1450\A.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  8  amends  AS  41.15.315(e)  regarding  timber                                                                  
     management  plans  in  HSF.   Requires  that  a  timber                                                                    
     management lease  issued in HSF be  consistent with the                                                                    
     applicable  management plan,  which must  identify land                                                                    
     appropriate  for timber  management leases,  and allows                                                                    
     for  the management  plan to  be amended  to allow  for                                                                    
     timber management leases.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:37:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER continued to explain the sectional analysis for SB
75.                                                                                                                             
     Sections 9-12 amend the Forest Resources and Practices                                                                     
                         Act, AS 41.17.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section  9  amends AS  41.17.200(b)  to  allow the  DNR                                                                  
     commissioner  to  delegate  the  management  of  timber                                                                    
     located in  a state forest through  a timber management                                                                    
     lease.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  10 amends  AS 41.17.220,  management of  state                                                                  
     forests,  to  exempt   timber  management  leases  from                                                                    
     Forest   Resources   and   Practices   Act   management                                                                    
     principles for  land within a  state forest,  except as                                                                    
     required under  the new leasing provisions  in proposed                                                                    
     AS 05.124 in bill Section  4, as the lease will include                                                                    
     management guidelines specific to that lease.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section   11   amends   AS  41.17.230(a)   to   include                                                                  
     consideration  and  permit  uses  of  forest  land  for                                                                    
     timber management leasing under  AS 38.05.124 in forest                                                                    
     management plans.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 12  amends AS 41.17.230(g) to  require a timber                                                                  
     management   lease  within   a  state   forest  to   be                                                                    
     consistent with the  applicable forest management plan,                                                                    
     requires  the  management  plan to  identify  the  land                                                                    
     appropriate for  a timber management lease,  and allows                                                                    
     the department  to amend the  management plan  for this                                                                    
     purpose.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:37:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER  continued to  explain the  sectional analysis  for SB
75.                                                                                                                             
     Section  13   amends  AS  41.17.900(a)   regarding  the                                                                  
     applicability  of the  Forest  Resources and  Practices                                                                    
     Act to  all forested  land under state,  municipal, and                                                                    
     private  ownership   by  exempting   timber  management                                                                    
     leases  under AS  38.05.124, except  as required  under                                                                    
     the  new leasing  provisions in  proposed AS  05.124 in                                                                    
     bill Section 4.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14 provides for an immediate effective date.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:38:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  questioned  the nomination  process  for  leasing                                                               
state   forest   land,   expressing   concern   about   potential                                                               
outbidding.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:39:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER explained that the  process allowed interested parties                                                               
to  express  interest  in  using specific  land,  which  is  then                                                               
assessed  by the  Commissioner for  suitability.  If suitable,  a                                                               
public   solicitation  for   competing  proposals   ensues.  This                                                               
approach  ensures  that  the state  explores  the  best  options,                                                               
maximizing    benefits   and    aligning   with    constitutional                                                               
requirements,  by   considering  public  input   and  alternative                                                               
proposals.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:41:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  suggested a  scenario where  only a  few proposals                                                               
out of  many were  deemed acceptable.  He proposed  introducing a                                                               
right  of first  refusal for  those who  nominate land,  allowing                                                               
them  to  have the  first  opportunity  to  purchase it  if  they                                                               
believe  they can  utilize it  effectively. He  cautioned against                                                               
granting  an   absolute  right  of   first  refusal   to  prevent                                                               
underbidding.  He sought  to balance  the interest  in nominating                                                               
land with the need for fair and competitive bidding.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:42:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER asked  for the opportunity to  consider Senator Myers'                                                               
suggestion   with    the   Department   of    Natural   Resources                                                               
(DNR)Commissioner's office  and the Department  of Law  (DOL) and                                                               
respond in writing or at a future hearing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:42:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL concurred.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:42:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR inquired  about the  scale of  forest leases.  He                                                               
referenced systems in Canada and  Sweden and sought clarification                                                               
on the  typical size of  these leases, questioning whether  it is                                                               
1,000 acres  or 100,000  acres, acknowledging  that the  size can                                                               
vary depending on the forest.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:42:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER said  SB 75 does not  set a maximum acreage  on one of                                                               
these  leases for  Alaska. She  deferred to  Mr. Douse  to answer                                                               
about Canada and Sweden.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:43:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE said  he had some awareness of  Canada's system, though                                                               
not of Sweden's.  He described Canada's system  of forest tenures                                                               
managed at the province level.  He said forested Crown lands were                                                               
leased out  for management and  the scale of the  leases depended                                                               
on the [expected] profitability. He said Sb 75 would be similar.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:44:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  asked  for  a  better  sense  for  the  size  of                                                               
management areas.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:44:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  inquired about the  operation of land  leasing in                                                               
Canada,  specifically questioning  the size  of leased  areas and                                                               
the feasibility of small parcels.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNBAR  expressed concern  about the  historical practice                                                               
in the U.S.  where some users of Bureau of  Land Management lands                                                               
benefited  from  low  prices, leading  to  wealth  and  political                                                               
influence, potentially  at the  expense of  fair market  value to                                                               
the state.  He questioned the  lack of a competitive  bid process                                                               
for  leasing  land,  suggesting that  the  highest  bidder  could                                                               
ensure objective value, unlike the  proposed system. He asked how                                                               
minimum  value would  be  determined  and why  not  lease to  the                                                               
highest bidder.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:45:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  MILLER  clarified  that  a  lessee  may  bring  non-monetary                                                               
factors  to the  partnership. She  highlighted the  importance of                                                               
managing state forest lands for  multiple state values, including                                                               
revenue  and  healthier  forests, and  for  recreation,  hunting,                                                               
fishing,  and  subsistence, which  are  valued  by Alaskans.  She                                                               
acknowledged the  importance of  a fair return  to the  state and                                                               
said  that   included  revenue  and  public   benefits,  such  as                                                               
employment  in  remote  areas. She  said  the  qualifications  of                                                               
lessees would include their experience  and willingness to manage                                                               
activities. She  said those would  be crucial  factors considered                                                               
by the commissioner.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:47:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  expressed  concern  that SB  75  fails  to                                                               
uphold constitutional obligations to  manage timber and wildlands                                                               
responsibly. He noted  the absence of key  protections for public                                                               
interest, such as procurement  processes, best interest findings,                                                               
and  competitive  bidding,  which   he  argued  are  crucial  for                                                               
transparency and  fairness. The  speaker also  notes the  lack of                                                               
public  opportunity to  comment and  the potential  for long-term                                                               
(110 years)  leases. He said  he would  need time for  a thorough                                                               
review of the bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:48:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER  explained that Department of  Natural Resources (DNR)                                                               
incorporated  new   ways  to  get  to   the  same  constitutional                                                               
responsibilities  and  obligations  in SB  75,  noting  that  the                                                               
Constitution  doesn't explicitly  require [specific  protections,                                                               
such as] a best  interest finding. She described SB 75  as a  new                                                               
framework  that  is  more  of  a  partnership,  contracting  with                                                               
another    party    to    execute    the    state's    management                                                               
responsibilities,  while  the  state retains  its  constitutional                                                               
responsibilities   for  sustained   yield   and  setting   annual                                                               
allowable cut.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:49:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  noted that  SB  75  proposes  a whole  new  sale                                                               
procedure which  will lead to  new regulations. He  asked whether                                                               
Department  of Natural  Resources  (DNR) was  selling or  leasing                                                               
other things under procedures comparable [to SB 75].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:50:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER asked to get  back to the committee after consultation                                                               
with DNR.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:50:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN referred to SB 75,  page eight [line 18] and asked                                                               
how DNR arrived at the lease period of 55 years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:50:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER said 55 years was  the standard lease duration used in                                                               
statutes.  She  explained that  it  was  considered a  reasonable                                                               
timeframe for  partnerships, equating  to an adult  lifetime. She                                                               
noted that  SB 75 also provided  for reassessment at the  55 year                                                               
point to ensure  both parties were still willing  to continue the                                                               
partnership. She  suggested that  this approach  was particularly                                                               
relevant  to  forestry and  deferred  to  Mr. Douse  for  further                                                               
insights.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:51:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE  explained  that  a  new  stand  of  timber  would  be                                                               
established  after 55  years,  but  not likely  to  be ready  for                                                               
harvest until another full 55 year rotation [ 110 years total].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:52:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked what the  typical seedling  to merchantable                                                               
timber size  timeline would  be for Alaskan  forests. He  said 55                                                               
years seemed short.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:53:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE  concurred. He said  some of the hardwoods  [in Alaska]                                                               
like birch or  aspen might be ready [for harvest  after 55 years]                                                               
if there was  a market for it. Conifers would  not be ready after                                                               
55 years.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:53:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   CLAMAN   called   attention  to   the   allocation   of                                                               
merchantable timber  in Alaska, particularly the  Tongass, noting                                                               
that the federal government and  native corporations had priority                                                               
over state-owned  forests. He questioned  whether there  was good                                                               
merchantable timber on state lands  and asked where those forests                                                               
were that could produce 110 to 120 million board feet a year.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:54:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE affirmed  that the state did get  "third pick", however                                                               
he  emphasized that  there are  forests that  can be  managed for                                                               
valuable timber resources, particularly  in the interior. He said                                                               
timber was  being managed where  there was access, and  there was                                                               
saw  timber in  stands without  access, that  therefore can't  be                                                               
managed.  He reiterated  that there  was demand  for 120  million                                                               
board feet a  year, and there was market  opportunity. He offered                                                               
to show members of the committee [the applicable forests].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:55:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  noted the mention  of the Haines State  Forest and                                                               
asked why there no mention of the Tanana Valley State Forest.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:55:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE noted  that  the  HSF was  created  under a  different                                                               
statute and pointed out that  the Haines State Forest designation                                                               
included multiple  use designations  that distinguished  it [from                                                               
other state forests].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:56:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MILLER  clarified that the  Haines State Forest was  the only                                                               
named  state forest  in  statute; the  other  state forests  were                                                               
referred to [in  statute] as state forests generally  and so were                                                               
not called out specifically in SB 75.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL invited  closing  remarks by  the commissioner  of                                                               
DNR.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:56:58 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER BOYLE  emphasized the need  for a paradigm  shift in                                                               
Alaska's forest  management. He suggested that  incentivizing new                                                               
investments  could   yield  merchantable  timber   more  quickly,                                                               
benefiting future  generations. He highlighted the  importance of                                                               
investing in Alaska's forestry sector  now for long-term economic                                                               
gains,  noting that  while current  public servants  may not  see                                                               
direct  benefits,  future  Alaskans  will reap  the  rewards.  He                                                               
expressed  gratitude  for  the  committee's  hearing  and  looked                                                               
forward to further discussions  on revitalizing Alaska's forestry                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:00:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL held SB 75 in committee.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2.7.25 SB 67 Transmittal Letter.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 67
2.7.25 SB 67 Fiscal Note DCCED-DCRA.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 67
2.7.25 SB67 PowerPoint Presentation to SRES.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 67
2.7.25 SB 67 Sectional Analysis version A.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 67
2.7.25 SB 75 Sectional Analysis Timber Management Leases 1.28.2025.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 75
2.7.25 SB75 Timber Mgmt. Leases Transmittal Letter.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 75
2.7.25 SB75 DNR presentation to SRES Timber Management Leases.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 75
2.7.25 SB 75 Fiscal Note DNR.pdf SRES 2/7/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 75