Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

03/26/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 259 COUNCIL ON HUMAN AND SEX TRAFFICKING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 67 PFAS: USE FOR FIREFIGHTING, DISPOSAL TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
SENATE BILL NO. 67                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to firefighting substances; and                                                                           
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:50:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  JESSE   KIEHL,  SPONSOR,   introduced  SB   67  and                                                                    
explained  that per  and  polyfluoroalkyl substances  (PFAS)                                                                    
were  a group  of  chemicals harmful  to  human health.  The                                                                    
chemicals   were  linked   to   serious  health   conditions                                                                    
including  low birth  weight, thyroid  disease, and  cancer,                                                                    
even  in extremely  small  concentrations.  He relayed  that                                                                    
PFAS  were  an  efficient   firefighting  tool  because  the                                                                    
chemicals were waterproof and  fire resistant; however, PFAS                                                                    
were difficult to get rid of  and toxic. When PFAS were used                                                                    
in  firefighting,  it  was  common   for  the  chemicals  to                                                                    
infiltrate drinking  water. As more locations  around Alaska                                                                    
were  tested  for  PFAS  contamination due  to  the  use  of                                                                    
firefighting   foam,    it   was   discovered    that   PFAS                                                                    
contamination was more common than previously thought.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl explained  that SB  67 would  take a  "no new                                                                    
spills"  approach to  the problem.  The  bill would  require                                                                    
anyone with firefighting foam that  contained PFAS to make a                                                                    
switch  to  fluorine-free  alternatives  that  were  already                                                                    
approved  for   use  in   airports.  The   Federal  Aviation                                                                    
Association  (FAA) had  adopted the  military specifications                                                                    
and  it was  particularly  interested  in the  fluorine-free                                                                    
foam's ability to  quickly extinguish jet fuel  fires on top                                                                    
of an aircraft  carrier. The FAA had  approved the fluorine-                                                                    
free foams that  had been in use in other  places around the                                                                    
world for  many years  and the alternatives  were available.                                                                    
The bill  had a delayed  implementation for the oil  and gas                                                                    
industry    because   fluorine-free    foams   that    would                                                                    
successfully  extinguish  oil and  gas  fires  were not  yet                                                                    
available.  The goal  of the  bill was  to protect  people's                                                                    
health, not  cost workers  their lives.  He shared  that the                                                                    
technology was  improving and tools would  soon be available                                                                    
for  the   oil  and   gas  industry.  Several   of  Alaska's                                                                    
firefighting  professionals,  including   the  current  fire                                                                    
marshal, were either involved in  or were closely monitoring                                                                    
research in other  states, but Alaska was not  yet ready for                                                                    
the switch.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:54:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl explained that the  next major provision in SB
67 was  also focused on the  no new spills goal.  Some years                                                                    
back, the  state collaborated  with the  Rasmuson Foundation                                                                    
and   the  Alaska   Village  Initiative   to  put   together                                                                    
firefighting carts  called Code  Red carts. The  carts could                                                                    
be  pulled behind  a four-wheeler  and could  be transported                                                                    
easily to fight fires. The  carts were provided to 136 rural                                                                    
communities  and  the  cargo included  a  canister  of  PFAS                                                                    
firefighting  foam concentrate.  At present,  85 percent  of                                                                    
the carts were broken and could  not be used to fight fires,                                                                    
but  the  concentrate  was still  present  in  villages  all                                                                    
across  Alaska.  The  bill required  that  the  state  would                                                                    
ensure that the concentrate was  properly disposed of and it                                                                    
would not be  left in rural villages where there  was a risk                                                                    
of spillage.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  relayed that the  bill needed two  fixes: the                                                                    
first was  the effective  date and  the second  was tweaking                                                                    
some  language in  the bill  to  make it  acceptable to  the                                                                    
administration. He  had received proposed language  from the                                                                    
Department  of Environmental  Conservation (DEC)  earlier in                                                                    
the day and  he would soon be drafting the  language into an                                                                    
amendment. He  would share the  language with  the committee                                                                    
once it  was written into  the amendment. The work  had been                                                                    
collaborative  and  productive and  he  hoped  to bring  the                                                                    
committee the new language in the near future.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  noted  that there  were  invited  testifiers                                                                    
waiting  to  provide  testimony.   He  introduced  Mr.  John                                                                    
Goeckerman,  who was  serving  as an  intern  in his  office                                                                    
through   the  University   of   Alaska   and  Ted   Stevens                                                                    
Foundation's legislative internship  program. He shared that                                                                    
his staff could provide a  sectional analysis at the chair's                                                                    
discretion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  suggested  that  the  committee  hear  the                                                                    
sectional analysis.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:57:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN GOECKERMAN,  STAFF, SENATOR  JESSE KIEHL,  reviewed the                                                                    
sectional analysis (copy on file):                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 1 of the bill creates a new section:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 46.03.340(a): Everyone outside  the oil & gas                                                                    
          industry  must stop  using PFAS-containing  foams,                                                                    
          unless federal law preempts Alaska law.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.340(b): People  fighting fires  in the                                                                    
          oil  &  gas  industry  may  continue  using  PFAS-                                                                    
          containing foams until  an alternative is approved                                                                    
          by regulation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.340(c):  The  state fire  marshal  can                                                                    
          determine there  is a safe and  effective PFASfree                                                                    
          foam  for  fighting  oil  or   gas  fires  if  the                                                                    
          alternate  foam is  listed by  an organization  in                                                                    
          OSHA's  Nationally  Recognized Testing  Laboratory                                                                    
          Program.  The fire  marshal must  require the  new                                                                    
          foam by regulation, with a stated effective date.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 46.03.340(d): DEC must  take up to 40 gallons                                                                    
          per  year  of  PFAS-containing  firefighting  foam                                                                    
          from Alaskans for disposal.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 2 of the bill sets an effective date of January                                                                       
     1, 2024.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  relayed that the committee  would hear from                                                                    
invited testifiers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:58:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  PRUHS,  MAYOR,  CITY  OF  FAIRBANKS,  FAIRBANKS  (via                                                                    
teleconference), testified that the  City of Fairbanks had a                                                                    
PFAS  contamination  environmental  issue. He  relayed  that                                                                    
Fairbanks  had   a  firefighting  training  center   with  a                                                                    
containment system  and firefighters  would light up  oil in                                                                    
the   containment  system   and  put   the  fire   out.  The                                                                    
containment  system  did  not  fail,  but  the  firefighters                                                                    
sprayed  outside of  the  containment  system and  chemicals                                                                    
leached into  the water  table and  migrated in  a northwest                                                                    
path for about four miles.  The city had spent approximately                                                                    
$5.4 million to  connect houses to water  systems to prevent                                                                    
contamination,  but  the  problem was  still  pervasive.  He                                                                    
often asked himself  what he could do that  might impact the                                                                    
state in 20  years. He thought that banning  PFAS would have                                                                    
a positive impact  in 20 years and it would  have a positive                                                                    
effect on the environment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:00:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JUSTIN MACK,  SECRETARY TREASURER, ALASKA  PROFESSIONAL FIRE                                                                    
FIGHTERS'   ASSOCIATION,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in support of SB  67. He currently served with the                                                                    
Alaska    Professional     Firefighters,    the    Anchorage                                                                    
Firefighters Union, the  Firefighter Cancer Support Network,                                                                    
and was  a captain at Fire  Station 3 in Mountain  View with                                                                    
the Anchorage  Fire Department.  One of  the things  that he                                                                    
had  learned about  the profession  was how  dangerous fires                                                                    
could  be.  There  were  known threats  such  as  a  burning                                                                    
building, a  roof collapse, a commercial  building collapse,                                                                    
but  the  threat  he  did   not  one  understand  as  a  new                                                                    
firefighter was  exposure to dangerous chemicals  that could                                                                    
lead to  cancer. He relayed  that exposure to  chemicals was                                                                    
responsible for  the highest  number of  firefighter deaths.                                                                    
The  connection  between  PFAS  and  cancer  was  incredibly                                                                    
strong. In  2022, the International  Agency for  Research on                                                                    
Cancer  changed   its  view  and  made   the  occupation  of                                                                    
firefighting  a   Group  1   carcinogen,  which   meant  the                                                                    
profession itself  was carcinogenic to humans.  He explained                                                                    
that  Group 1  classification was  used when  there was  the                                                                    
strongest  level of  evidence that  a substance  could cause                                                                    
cancer.  Firefighters   were  exposed  to   toxic  chemicals                                                                    
through the  firefighting foam and the  protective equipment                                                                    
that firefighters wore.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mack added  that PFAS was a broad category  and only one                                                                    
of the areas of exposure.  The PFAS firefighting foam worked                                                                    
by creating  a blanket over  a liquid  seal that acted  as a                                                                    
barrier  preventing  flammable   vapors  from  escaping  the                                                                    
liquid. The foam  helped to both extinguish the  fire and to                                                                    
prevent additional ignition of  vapors. The problem was that                                                                    
although  foams containing  PFAS  were  more effective  than                                                                    
fluorine-free foams, PFAS had  harmful effects on humans and                                                                    
animals. The  chemicals would not  degrade naturally  in the                                                                    
environment. In  January of 2023, the  Department of Defense                                                                    
issued  a  new  performance specification  for  firefighting                                                                    
foams used  by the military. The  specification outlined the                                                                    
functional  requirements  for  firefighting  foams  used  on                                                                    
military bases and  were required to be  able to effectively                                                                    
extinguish  Class B  hydrocarbon liquid  fuel fires  without                                                                    
containing  PFAS. The  next step  that  several groups  were                                                                    
working  on  was  how  to  improve  the  foams  to  increase                                                                    
effectiveness in  fighting fires.  He thought that  the foam                                                                    
products would  become available on  a larger scale  as more                                                                    
testing was done.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mack continued that exposure  to PFAS had been linked to                                                                    
several  issues  including  cancer,  reproductive  problems,                                                                    
immune  system  disorders,   and  hormonal  disruption,  and                                                                    
firefighters  were   at  an  increased  risk   of  exposure.                                                                    
Legislation  was  crucial  to  limit  the  use  of  PFAS  in                                                                    
firefighting  foams  and  promote   the  adoption  of  safer                                                                    
alternatives.  By  restricting  the use  of  PFAS-containing                                                                    
foams, the  legislature could reduce  firefighters' exposure                                                                    
to  the harmful  chemicals  and  mitigate the  environmental                                                                    
impacts  of  PFAS contamination.  Additionally,  legislation                                                                    
could promote  support of PFAS-free firefighting  foams that                                                                    
were effective in extinguishing  fires without posing health                                                                    
and  environmental  risks.   He  concluded  that  addressing                                                                    
firefighter  safety   concerns  surrounding   PFAS  required                                                                    
comprehensive  legislation   to  limit   the  use   of  PFAS                                                                    
firefighting  foams and  mitigate the  environmental impact.                                                                    
By   prioritizing  and   adopting  safer   alternatives  and                                                                    
implementing  measures  to  prevent  PFAS  contamination  of                                                                    
drinking water,  the legislature could safeguard  the health                                                                    
and wellness of firefighters and communities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:05:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster asked how many  gallons of PFAS foam were on                                                                    
the firefighting  carts that were  distributed to  the rural                                                                    
villages. He was  trying to determine how many  of the carts                                                                    
could be taken back per year.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl responded  that the cap of  40 gallons written                                                                    
in the  bill was targeted at  the Code Red carts.  The carts                                                                    
had a five  gallon concentrate and a 30  gallon premix tank.                                                                    
The cap of 40 gallons was chosen to allow for a buffer.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson  recalled   that  Senator   Kiehl                                                                    
mentioned  an upcoming  amendment related  to the  take back                                                                    
provision. He  asked whether the administration  was working                                                                    
with the  senator on  take back  provision language  only or                                                                    
was  it  also  working  with   the  senator  on  finding  an                                                                    
alternative to PFAS itself.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl responded  that  the  amendment language  was                                                                    
related  to  the  take  back  provision  and  PFAS  foam  in                                                                    
villages and small remote areas.  He thought that members of                                                                    
the  committee  would  recall that  the  governor's  capital                                                                    
budget included  funding for  DOT to  replace PFAS  foams at                                                                    
DOT-operated  airports, which  he  applauded. He  understood                                                                    
that DOT  was the second largest  owner of PFAS foam  in the                                                                    
state. He  thought that DOT was  on the right track,  and it                                                                    
was now buying fluorine-free foams.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster invited  the  senator to  make any  closing                                                                    
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl appreciated that the  committee had taken time                                                                    
to focus  on the  issue and looked  forward to  working with                                                                    
the  committee again  once the  amendment language  from the                                                                    
administration was finalized.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HB  259  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the agenda  for the following day's                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 259 - Alaska Governor's Council on Human and Sex Trafficking Data Summary Document January 2024.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
HB 259 - GCHST-Final-Report-Sept2022.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
HB 259 Bill Presentation.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
HB 259, 33-LS1075-S - Sectional Analysis.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
HB 259 Support Document - CHST Information 01.31.2024.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
HB 259 Sponsor Statement - Alaska Council on Human and Sex Traffickings.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
SB 67 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 67
SB 67 Explanation of Changes ver. A to ver. B.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 67
SB 67 Public Testimony Rec'd by 051623.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 67
SB 67 Letters of Support Received by 2023-05-03.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 67
SB 67 Sectional Analysis ver. B .pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 67
SB 67 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 67
HB 259 Public Testimony Red'd by 032524.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
SB 67 Public Testimony Rec'd by 032624.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 67
HB 259 CHST Letter of Support 032624.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
HB 259 Public Testimony Rec'd by 040423.pdf HFIN 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259