04/04/2013 09:00 AM Senate STATE AFFAIRS
| Audio | Topic | 
|---|---|
| Start | |
| Confirmation Hearings | |
| HJR12 | |
| HB1 | |
| HB113 | |
| HCR6 | |
| Adjourn | 
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| + | HB 1 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | HB 113 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | HCR 6 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | HJR 12 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SB 64 | TELECONFERENCED | |
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            SENATE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         April 4, 2013                                                                                          
                           9:01 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Fred Dyson, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Cathy Giessel, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator John Coghill                                                                                                            
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
     Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                        
          Bob Kean                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
     Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                       
          Ron King                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 12(EDT)                                                                                       
Encouraging the manufacture of firearms and firearms accessories                                                                
in the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHJR 12(EDT) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 1(STA) AM                                                                               
"An Act relating to issuance of drivers' licenses."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 1(STA) AM OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 113                                                                                                              
"An Act relating  to the membership of the  Alaska Fire Standards                                                               
Council."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 6(EDT)                                                                                   
Recognizing  the  Alaska  Center for  Unmanned  Aircraft  Systems                                                               
Integration at the  University of Alaska Fairbanks  as a national                                                               
leader  in  unmanned  aircraft   research  and  development;  and                                                               
relating to a Task Force on Unmanned Aircraft Systems.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 64                                                                                                              
"An Act  establishing the Alaska Sentencing  Commission; relating                                                               
to  jail-time credit  for  offenders  in court-ordered  treatment                                                               
programs;  allowing  a  reduction   of  penalties  for  offenders                                                               
successfully  completing  court-ordered  treatment  programs  for                                                               
persons  convicted  of  driving  while  under  the  influence  or                                                               
refusing  to  submit  to  a  chemical  test;  relating  to  court                                                               
termination  of  a revocation  of  a  person's driver's  license;                                                               
relating  to   limitation  of  drivers'  licenses;   relating  to                                                               
conditions  of  probation  and   parole;  and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING POSTPONED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR 12                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SUPPORT IN-STATE FIREARMS MANUFACTURING                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) CHENAULT                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
03/14/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/14/13       (H)       EDT                                                                                                    
03/26/13       (H)       EDT AT 11:15 AM BARNES 124                                                                             
03/26/13       (H)       Moved CSHJR 12(EDT) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/26/13       (H)       MINUTE(EDT)                                                                                            
03/27/13       (H)       EDT RPT CS(EDT) 7DP                                                                                    
03/27/13       (H)       DP: HIGGINS, PRUITT, HERRON, JOHNSON,                                                                  
                         GATTIS, DRUMMOND, HUGHES                                                                               
03/28/13       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/28/13       (H)       VERSION: CSHJR 12(EDT)                                                                                 
03/29/13       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/29/13       (S)       STA                                                                                                    
04/04/13       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 1                                                                                                                    
SHORT TITLE: DURATION OF DRIVER'S LICENSE                                                                                       
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) LYNN, HAWKER, CHENAULT, JOHNSON                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
01/16/13       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/7/13                                                                                
01/16/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/13       (H)       STA, JUD                                                                                               
01/29/13       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
01/29/13       (H)       Moved CSHB   1(STA) Out of Committee                                                                   
01/29/13       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
01/30/13       (H)       STA RPT CS(STA) 7DP                                                                                    
01/30/13       (H)       DP: HUGHES, MILLETT, ISAACSON, KELLER,                                                                 
                         GATTIS, KREISS-TOMKINS, LYNN                                                                           
02/18/13       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                             
02/18/13       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/18/13       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/27/13       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                             
03/27/13       (H)       Moved CSHB   1(STA) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/27/13       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/28/13       (H)       JUD RPT CS(STA) 5DP 2NR                                                                                
03/28/13       (H)       DP: MILLETT, PRUITT, LYNN, FOSTER,                                                                     
                         KELLER                                                                                                 
03/28/13       (H)       NR: GRUENBERG, LEDOUX                                                                                  
04/01/13       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/01/13       (H)       VERSION: CSHB 1(STA) AM                                                                                
04/02/13       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/02/13       (S)       STA                                                                                                    
04/04/13       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 113                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ALASKA FIRE STANDARDS COUNCIL                                                                                      
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) FEIGE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
02/13/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/13/13       (H)       STA, FIN                                                                                               
03/05/13       (H)       STA RPT 3DP 2NR                                                                                        
03/05/13       (H)       DP: ISAACSON, KREISS-TOMKINS, LYNN                                                                     
03/05/13       (H)       NR: GATTIS, KELLER                                                                                     
03/05/13       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/05/13       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/05/13       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/22/13       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/22/13       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/22/13       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/25/13       (H)       FIN RPT 7DP                                                                                            
03/25/13       (H)       DP: GUTTENBERG, HOLMES, MUNOZ, EDGMON,                                                                 
                         GARA, COSTELLO, AUSTERMAN                                                                              
03/28/13       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/28/13       (H)       VERSION: HB 113                                                                                        
03/29/13       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/29/13       (S)       STA                                                                                                    
04/04/13       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HCR 6                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: EST. LEG. TASK FORCE ON UNMANNED AIRCRAFT                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) HUGHES                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
03/15/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/15/13       (H)       EDT                                                                                                    
03/26/13       (H)       EDT AT 11:15 AM BARNES 124                                                                             
03/26/13       (H)       Moved CSHCR 6(EDT) Out of Committee                                                                    
03/26/13       (H)       MINUTE(EDT)                                                                                            
03/27/13       (H)       EDT RPT CS(EDT) 5DP 2NR                                                                                
03/27/13       (H)       DP: PRUITT, JOHNSON, GATTIS, DRUMMOND,                                                                 
                         HUGHES                                                                                                 
03/27/13       (H)       NR: HIGGINS, HERRON                                                                                    
03/29/13       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/29/13       (H)       VERSION: CSHCR 6(EDT)                                                                                  
04/01/13       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/01/13       (S)       STA                                                                                                    
04/04/13       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RON KING, Appointee                                                                                                             
Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                                
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented information related to his                                                                      
confirmation hearing.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK KOPP, Staff                                                                                                               
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on behalf of Mr. Bob Kean,                                                                      
appointee, Chugiak, Alaska, who was unable to be present.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TOM WRIGHT, Staff                                                                                                               
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced HJR 12 on behalf of the sponsor.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS, representing himself                                                                                                
Lazy Mountain, Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HJR 12 and HB 1.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BOB LYNN                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HB 1.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEAN WAUSON, Supervisory Special Agent                                                                                          
Homeland Security Investigations                                                                                                
Immigration and Customs Enforcement                                                                                             
U.S. Department of Homeland Security                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 1.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
AMY ERICKSON, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Motor Vehicles                                                                                                      
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions related to HB 1.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SHELLY MELLOT, Deputy Director                                                                                                  
Division of Motor Vehicles                                                                                                      
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions related to HB 1.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FORREST WOLFE, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions related to HB 1.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JEFFERY MITTMAN, Executive Director                                                                                             
American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Alaska                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided testimony in opposition to HB 1.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCHALL, Staff                                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HB 113.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BUDDY LANE, Chair                                                                                                               
Alaska Fire Standards Council                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 113.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SHELLEY HUGHES                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HCR 6.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:01:28 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FRED  DYSON  called  the  Senate  State  Affairs  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 9:01  a.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were Senators Coghill, Giessel,  and Chair Stedman. Senator                                                               
Wielechowski arrived shortly thereafter.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^Confirmation Hearings                                                                                                          
                     CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                  
                Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                             
                Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:02:46 AM                                                                                                                  
CHAIR DYSON announced that the first order of business would be                                                                 
two Confirmation Hearings.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RON KING, Appointee, Alaska Public Offices Commission, presented                                                                
information related to his confirmation hearing. He said he is                                                                  
currently retired and when asked by the Republican Party to                                                                     
represent the Restricted Republican Seat, he immediately agreed                                                                 
to do so. He shared his background with the Republican Party and                                                                
his work history, stating he is qualified to serve on APOC.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON thanked Mr. King. He maintained that what is needed                                                                 
is someone who is a clear thinker with good judgment and has the                                                                
courage of his or her convictions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL noted that he recommended Mr. King. He described                                                                
his good work and highly recommended him.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:06:34 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK KOPP,  Staff, Senator  Fred Dyson,  testified on  behalf of                                                               
Mr. Bob  Kean, appointee, Chugiak,  Alaska, who was unable  to be                                                               
present. He  shared Mr.  Kean's exemplary  service on  the Police                                                               
Standards Council.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON thanked Mr. Kopp.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON moved  to forward  the following  appointments to  a                                                               
joint session for consideration:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                          
     Bob Kean                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
     Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                         
     Ron King                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON clarified that the  motion does not reflect an intent                                                               
by any of the members to  vote against or for the confirmation of                                                               
the  individuals  during any  further  sessions.  There being  no                                                               
objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         HJR 12-SUPPORT IN-STATE FIREARMS MANUFACTURING                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:09:20 AM                                                                                                                  
CHAIR DYSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
HJR 12.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TOM WRIGHT,  Staff, Representative Mike Chenault,  sponsor of HJR
12,  introduced the  bill on  behalf of  the sponsor.  He related                                                               
that  HJR 12  is based  on  a resolution  recently introduced  in                                                               
Montana. The  bill encourages and invites  gun manufacturers, gun                                                               
accessory  manufacturers,  and  suppliers   to  come  to  Alaska,                                                               
especially  from states  that are  passing  more restrictive  gun                                                               
laws. He gave  an example of a company that  stated it would move                                                               
from Colorado because  of the strict gun laws  that were recently                                                               
enacted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  stated  that   a  number  of  states   are  considering  this                                                               
legislation, but none so far have passed a resolution.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON thanked  Mr. Wright. He expected that  the bill would                                                               
pass out of committee.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS, speaking  on his own behalf, testified  in support of                                                               
HJR 12. He said that Alaska  is a firearms-friendly state, with a                                                               
great workforce  and plenty of  room for  firearms manufacturers.                                                               
He  suggested  expanding  the resolution  to  include  ammunition                                                               
manufacturers. He spoke of Second Amendment rights.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:04 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL asked if there  has been any discussion about gun                                                               
manufacturers applying for a business license in Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WRIGHT  replied that he  was not aware  of any. He  said that                                                               
the  sponsor has  invited  Magpul Gun  Manufacturers  to come  to                                                               
Alaska and has let them know  that Alaska is gun-friendly and has                                                               
a trained labor force.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  added that  Alaska has one  of the  best air-freight                                                               
connections in  the world and an  excellent marine transportation                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WRIGHT said New Hampshire  is also inviting gun manufacturers                                                               
to their state.  He pointed  out that ammo makers are included in                                                               
gun accessory manufacturers.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  said the bill addresses  "firearm-related groups and                                                               
businesses."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:15:02 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL moved  to  report  CS for  HJR  12, labeled  28-                                                               
LS0619\U,  from  committee  with individual  recommendations  and                                                               
attached  zero  fiscal  note. There  being  no  objection,  CSHJR
12(EDT)  was  reported from  the  Senate  State Affairs  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:15:30 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               HB 1-DURATION OF DRIVER'S LICENSE                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:16:13 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
HB 1. [CSHB 1(STA) AM was before the committee.]                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BOB LYNN, sponsor of  HB 1, introduced the bill to                                                               
the committee.  He said the bill  does one thing; it  permits the                                                               
Department of  Motor Vehicles (DMV)  to issue a  driver's license                                                               
for less than five years. He  pointed out that today a person can                                                               
walk into a DMV with a visa  that expires in two weeks and obtain                                                               
a driver's license  for five years. HB 1 links  the duration of a                                                               
driver's license  to the  duration of a  legal document.  In rare                                                               
cases such as  when a person has a visa  for an indefinite period                                                               
for refugee  status or asylum,  a driver's license can  be issued                                                               
for  a  year  with  a  renewal  for up  to  five  years  with  no                                                               
additional cost to  the applicant. This bill does  not change how                                                               
anyone  currently obtains  a  driver's license  and  it does  not                                                               
change who can get one.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said that HB 1 is  considered "best practices" by the American                                                               
Association of  Motor Vehicles. A  similar bill has passed  in 36                                                               
states plus  the District  of Columbia.  The House  State Affairs                                                               
Committee and the  House Judiciary Committee vetted  the bill, as                                                               
has the Department of Law and Legal Services.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON referred  to a letter from the  University of Alaska.                                                               
He explained  the letter raises the  question as to how  the bill                                                               
would affect foreign students.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:19:15 AM                                                                                                                    
DEAN  WAUSON,   Supervisory  Special  Agent,   Homeland  Security                                                               
Investigations,   Immigration  and   Customs  Enforcement,   U.S.                                                               
Department of  Homeland Security  (DHS), testified in  support of                                                               
HB  1. He  explained his  involvement with  enforcing immigration                                                               
law. He agreed with Representative  Lynn's opinion of the bill as                                                               
it relates  to immigration  law. He  offered to  answer questions                                                               
regarding foreign students and the application of the law.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked if DHS is comfortable with the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON clarified  that he is representing  himself today, not                                                               
DHS.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked if DHS has taken an official position.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON said no.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL asked  if the  federal  government determines  a                                                               
person's legal  presence in  this country and  how long  they can                                                               
stay.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON said yes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:22:26 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  asked why  it is  a problem  to have  a driver's                                                               
license beyond the expiration date of a visa.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON explained  it becomes a problem when the  visa is used                                                               
as an  identification card.  For example,  a person  currently is                                                               
able  to obtain  a driver's  license that's  good for  five years                                                               
even if their  visa expires next week. That  allows an individual                                                               
to further  an illegal  presence in the  United States  and could                                                               
lead to illegal employment and other benefits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  suggested that unemployment insurance,  welfare, and                                                               
other issues could  also be abused. A  driver's license validates                                                               
their qualifying for those benefits.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON  said that is  correct. He  explained that HB  1 would                                                               
provide for  issuing a  driver's license only  for the  period of                                                               
time a person  may legally remain in the country.  It would apply                                                               
mainly to foreign visitors, not immigrants.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:25:33 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON  asked when  someone's visa  expires, how  the agency                                                               
finds out if they have left the country.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON said in some cases  the agency knows and in some cases                                                               
they don't.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:26:09 AM                                                                                                                    
AMY  ERICKSON,  Director,  Division   of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
Department of  Administration, answered  questions related  to HB
1.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said he is impressed  by how well DMV works. He asked                                                               
which credentials  are required  in order  for a  non-American to                                                               
get a driver's license.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ERICKSON  listed  the credentials:  a  foreign  passport,  a                                                               
resident  alien or  temporary  resident  alien authorization,  or                                                               
evidence  of comparable  validity,  such as  a birth  certificate                                                               
abroad.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked what Alaskans need.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON said  they would need a social  security card, birth                                                               
certificate, or marriage license.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL  asked what  a  foreign  student would  have  to                                                               
present to DMV in order to obtain a license.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ERICKSON responded  that  they  would need  an  F-1 visa,  a                                                               
foreign passport, and an I-120 Form.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL  asked  how  many  foreign  students  have  been                                                               
processed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON deferred to DMV to answer.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:28:58 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. WAUSON  explained that an  F-1 student would have  a passport                                                               
and an  F-1 visa  in order  to enter the  United States.  The F-1                                                               
visa only  lasts a few  days and would  not be indicative  of the                                                               
duration of  status. An  I-120 form  would show  lawful admission                                                               
and  the  duration of  their  stay.  Foreign  students are  in  a                                                               
category  of  individuals  whose  time period  is  less  narrowly                                                               
defined. The  university is required to  provide documentation of                                                               
enrollment verification every semester to DHS.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL  related  her  son's  positive  experience  with                                                               
foreign students in college in  Fairbanks. She noted that foreign                                                               
students were involved in 9/11.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON  agreed that  foreign students  do pose  a significant                                                               
threat. He said  one of the priorities of the  Homeland Office is                                                               
to keep an eye on foreign students.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked  what happens to a student who  must extend the                                                               
length of their stay.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WAUSON  explained  that  the process  is  not  so  important                                                               
because  they are  a  student  and can  apply  to immigration  to                                                               
change the  duration of  their stay. They  would be  eligible for                                                               
temporary  relief  and  eligible  to  obtain  documentation  from                                                               
Citizenship  and  Immigration   Services  stating  their  current                                                               
status.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:34:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON  gave an example a  foreign student who is  in school                                                               
for 48  months to  get a  degree and becomes  injured and  has to                                                               
leave school for a time.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON explained  that the student could  easily extend their                                                               
status.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON noted the arrival of Senator Wielechowski.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   asked  about  applying  for   a  driver's                                                               
license.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said the question has been answered.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON reiterated the process.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI noted  a  U.S. Supreme  Court  case on  the                                                               
purpose of  driver's licenses - United  States v. Campos-Serrano.                                                               
He said  the primary purpose  of a  driver's license is  to allow                                                               
its bearer  to lawfully drive  a car. He  asked if that  is still                                                               
the law.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON said yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if a driver's license  is intended to                                                               
document ones immigration status.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON said it is not.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  related that people  often misuse  driver's licenses                                                               
and  try  to claim  immigration  status  in  order to  apply  for                                                               
benefits.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:37:42 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if people  can renew their licenses by                                                               
mail.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ERICKSON said  yes, if  they have  not renewed  by mail  the                                                               
previous time.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI gave  an example  of someone  who moved  to                                                               
Alaska on  a temporary visa and  their job requires them  to stay                                                               
longer. He inquired if that person can mail in a renewal.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON deferred to someone from DMV to answer.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SHELLY  MELLOT,  Deputy  Director, Division  of  Motor  Vehicles,                                                               
Department of  Administration, answered  questions related  to HB
1. She described  the process whereby people in  rural Alaska can                                                               
mail in their renewal application if there is no DMV available.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI understood  that  there  was a  renewal-by-                                                               
mail-provision that was stricken in the House.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
FORREST  WOLFE, Staff,  Representative Bob  Lynn, explained  that                                                               
the phrase "by mail" was  removed at DMV's recommendation because                                                               
they felt it  might be too limiting. In the  future licensing may                                                               
be done on the internet.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:40:38 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  continued with his  example of a  person in                                                               
Aniak with a  three-month visa that expires so  the person renews                                                               
their driver's license by mail. He  asked if the bill would allow                                                               
the license  to be automatically  renewed and for what  period of                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON assumed  if the  bill passes,  the driver's  license                                                               
would have only been extended to the end of the visa period.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.MELLOT  said  Senator  Dyson is  correct.  She  explained  the                                                               
license would have  been initially issues for 90 days  and to get                                                               
it renewed they would need to  send in information that shows the                                                               
visa was  extended. The  license would be  extended for  the time                                                               
the visa stated.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  concluded that  under the bill  the license                                                               
could be renewed solely by mail.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.MELLOT said yes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:42:21 AM                                                                                                                    
JEFFERY  MITTMAN, Executive  Director,  American Civil  Liberties                                                               
Union (ACLU)  of Alaska, provided  testimony in opposition  to HB
1. He  suggested that  the committee  contact Margaret  Stock, an                                                               
attorney who specializes in this issue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He noted  that a driver's  license does not  establish residency.                                                               
He stressed  that the purpose of  the license is to  allow one to                                                               
drive safely.  A variety of  states require that  individuals who                                                               
are not  in the  country legally cannot  drive. Some  states have                                                               
decided that  it is better practice  to have the DMV  ensure that                                                               
the roads  are safe  and those  who are  driving are  insured and                                                               
know how to drive.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  that  the  bill  deals with  those  who  are  lawfully                                                               
present.  The ACLU  questions how  the  federal government  would                                                               
view  a bill  that treats  lawful  immigrants who  are a  suspect                                                               
class  under the  law,  differently than  citizens.  He spoke  in                                                               
opposition  to  the  provision  in   the  bill  that  requires  a                                                               
temporary  worker  to  experience   the  burden  of  renewal.  He                                                               
maintained there  is no  benefit to the  state. He  recalled case                                                               
law.   He  suggested   that  it   is  the   federal  government's                                                               
responsibility to govern immigration status and lawful presence.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:46:27 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL  asked  if  there  are  lawsuits  against  other                                                               
entities that require identification, such as banks or TSA.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MITTMAN said  there  have  been none  to  date.  He gave  an                                                               
example of a  situation where a driver's license  is not adequate                                                               
for identification  such as  lawful presence  in the  country. He                                                               
noted  that REAL  ID has  imposed  some additional  requirements;                                                               
however, Alaska  has stated that it  does not want a  national ID                                                               
card.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:48:30 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL shared  a story  about  a person  who could  not                                                               
travel without a  driver's license. He spoke of  the variation in                                                               
visas and the fact that the  license cannot track the duration of                                                               
a visa.  He questioned  a greater  restriction on  using driver's                                                               
licenses.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MITTMAN  suggested  getting  Attorney  Stock's  opinion.  He                                                               
opined that it is not fair to  the DMV to assume they will become                                                               
experts in the area of types of visas.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:50:40 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. COONS inquired  if the person who is not  a citizen could use                                                               
their  driver's license  to sign  up for  voter registration  and                                                               
vote.  He asked  how voter  registration would  know whether  the                                                               
person is an  alien and not eligible to vote.  He wondered if the                                                               
licenses are flagged when the visa expires.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He stated full support for HB  1 because it gives law enforcement                                                               
officers a valuable tool in  determining those who are legally in                                                               
the United States.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ERICKSON  explained   that  when  a  person   fills  out  an                                                               
application for a driver's license, they  are asked if they are a                                                               
U.S. citizen and they can register to vote at that time.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON restated  Mr. Coons'  question  about qualifying  to                                                               
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLFE  understood  that   more  documentation  showing  U.S.                                                               
citizenship must  be shown  in order  to vote,  such as  a social                                                               
security card.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COONS  reiterated  his   question  about  flagging  driver's                                                               
licenses.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:55:02 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOLFE,  clarified that the  license is not flagged,  just the                                                               
expiration date. They  would have to prove their  length of state                                                               
was approved.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  how many licenses are  issued to non-                                                               
Americans.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.MELLOT said DMV does not keep track of that.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  inquired if the  bill fixes a  problem that                                                               
exists.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON could  not say whether DMV is fixing  a problem, but                                                               
noted that it supports the legislation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  DMV   is  in  the  business  of                                                               
immigration.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON addressed  the question. He said misuse  of a driver's                                                               
license is a problem. He knew  of people in the country illegally                                                               
who traveled  to Alaska  to get  the 5-year  license and  said it                                                               
happens on a regular basis.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He addressed a  previous question about applying  for the license                                                               
by mail. He pointed out that  even though Mr. Mittman clouded the                                                               
issue between  immigrants and non-immigrants, he  said that under                                                               
HB  1, an  immigrant would  be  handled the  same way  as a  U.S.                                                               
citizen and  be issued 5-year  driver's license.  A non-immigrant                                                               
with a  defined period  of stay doesn't  need an  Alaska driver's                                                               
license. Temporary visitors  for work or tourism for  90 days can                                                               
drive using their foreign licenses.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:59:54 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  the bill is  a furthering  of the                                                               
federal REAL ID law.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAUSON said he did not know.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE said it has nothing to do with it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked what the purpose of the bill is.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE  responded that  sponsor does  not believe  that Alaska                                                               
should  be  issuing  official  documentation  that  outlasts  and                                                               
contradicts   the  federal   government's  documentation.   Also,                                                               
someone  can get  a driver's  license even  though their  visa is                                                               
soon to  expire. This legislation is  already on the books  in 36                                                               
states and has never been challenged.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if the  legislation is for making sure                                                               
Alaska has qualified drivers or for immigration reasons.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLFE  said   has  nothing  to  do   with  immigration.  The                                                               
provisions are for temporary visitors.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI continued to argue the issue.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLFE  replied  that  the  bill  does  determine  whether  a                                                               
temporary  visitor is  allowed  to  drive or  not  and  it is  an                                                               
officially recognized piece of identification.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:03:20 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI noted  that  there are  many  Hmong in  his                                                               
district and  many refugees without identification.  He asked how                                                               
this legislation would affect them.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON suggested DHS answer the question.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WAUSON  said  all  refugees   are  eligible  for  employment                                                               
documents for one-year periods while  their legal status is being                                                               
checked.  He noted  Laos refugees  are  not illegal  and do  have                                                               
documentation  of their  arrivals. After  a year  they can  apply                                                               
for, and receive, residency.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  stated he believes  that DMV is  becoming a                                                               
de facto  immigration regulator.  He maintained that  the federal                                                               
government should regulate immigration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:07:04 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  DYSON understood  that  the sponsor  intends  to keep  the                                                               
Alaska  driver's license  from  becoming something  other than  a                                                               
license.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  questioned why  DMV needs this  bill. Other                                                               
organizations  decide which  documents prove  immigration status.                                                               
He wished to  know what the purpose of  issuing drivers' licenses                                                               
is.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON  said DMV does  not intend to become  an immigration                                                               
enforcement  agency.  She said  DMV  would  continue to  evaluate                                                               
government-provided documents  and issues  licenses based  on the                                                               
information on the documents.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI restated his question.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL maintained that the question has been answered.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI disagreed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  pointed out that a  DMV driver's license is  used as                                                               
identification to  buy liquor. People  are using the  license for                                                               
other purposes, which  is not DMV's fault. The bill  is trying to                                                               
make sure people are not using their licenses illegally.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He noted that the sponsor agrees.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked about the Hmong  identification issue                                                               
and whether the bill will impact their ability to get a license.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:10:01 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. ERICKSON  understood that  it would not.  She said  the Hmong                                                               
are refugees and have some form of documentation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI noted that many do not have documentation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  said   that  issue  needs  to  be   taken  up  with                                                               
immigration.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL referred to an email  from Ms. Stock and a letter                                                               
from the  Attorney General that  states there  is no basis  for a                                                               
constitutional challenge of HB 1.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if they could hear from Ms. Stock.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLFE said  Ms. Stock  has been  invited to  three committee                                                               
hearings  and has  not attended.  He suggested  Mr. Wauson  could                                                               
refute her testimony.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if she has been asked to testify.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said no, nor has she volunteered to testify.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked what  the next committee  of referral                                                               
is.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON did not think the bill had a Judiciary referral.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL said it didn't.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLFE  said it  was  vetted  in  House Judiciary  where  Ms.                                                               
Stock's issues were rebutted. He noted letters of support.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:13:25 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON asked if there were  court challenges in the other 36                                                               
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLFE  said  never.  He  noted  a  review  of  the  bill  by                                                               
Representative Gruenberg that discovered no problems.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked how long the states have had this legislation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE offered to find out.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON inquired if it was more than a year.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE said yes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked which version was before the committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE said version 28-LS0008\O.A.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:15:06 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  GIESSEL  moved  to  report  CS for  HB  1,  labeled  28-                                                               
LS0008\O.A,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached zero fiscal note.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  objected.  He  asked if  the  bill  has  a                                                               
referral to another committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON thought it went to Senate Rules Committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE said that is correct.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI stated  that he has to object  to moving the                                                               
bill because it is a fairly major  change in law and there are no                                                               
more referrals. He said he needs more time to study the bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken. Senators Giessel, Coghill, and Chair                                                               
Dyson  voted  in favor  of  reporting  HB  1 from  committee  and                                                               
Senator Wielechowski voted against  it. Therefore, CSHB 1(STA) am                                                               
passed from the Senate State  Affairs Standing Committee by a 3:1                                                               
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:16:33 AM                                                                                                                   
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
              HB 113-ALASKA FIRE STANDARDS COUNCIL                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:17:44 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
HB 113.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCHALL,  Staff, Representative  Eric Feige,  sponsor of                                                               
HB  113, introduced  the  bill. He  stated  a possible  conflict,                                                               
noting   that  both   he  and   Representative  Feige   are  both                                                               
firefighters, but not  currently eligible to serve  on the Alaska                                                               
Fire  Standards Council.  He explained  the mission  of the  Fire                                                               
Standards  Council is  to  establish  professional standards  for                                                               
fire  service  personnel  and  curriculum  requirements  for  the                                                               
certification of  training programs.  There are  currently eleven                                                               
members on the  Council. The Council, along  with three statewide                                                               
organizations, has  requested the  composition of the  Council to                                                               
be  changed.  He  said  there   were  currently  three  statewide                                                               
organizations  that  represent those  in  the  fire service:  the                                                               
Alaska   State  Fire   Chiefs  Association,   the  Alaska   State                                                               
Firefighters   Association,    and   the    Alaska   Professional                                                               
Firefighters  Association. He  noted that  each organization  has                                                               
asked to  have a seat  at the table  and the  only way to  do so,                                                               
while keeping a  balance between the current  membership in terms                                                               
of firefighters versus  fire chiefs, is to add one  member to the                                                               
Council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL asked who pays for the meetings of the Council.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL deferred to the chair  of the Council. He said there                                                               
are fees  associated with some  of the certifications,  and there                                                               
is also a  general fund transfer for travel. He  recalled it cost                                                               
$2,400 a year for one member to travel.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BUDDY LANE,  Chair, Alaska Fire  Standards Council,  testified in                                                               
support of HB 113. He offered to answer questions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:22:14 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR GIESSEL  said the fiscal  note is  zero, yet no  board or                                                               
commission  can exist  with  a zero  fiscal  note. She  requested                                                               
clarification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LANE thought  the original fiscal note was  around $2,000 for                                                               
travel  for an  additional seat.  That  was removed  in the  last                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL asked  who pays  for travel,  the assessment  of                                                               
fees.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LANE  said that  is  correct.  He  explained that  fees  and                                                               
general fund appropriation make up  the Council's funds. The fees                                                               
vary  every   year  depending  on  the   number  of  certificates                                                               
processed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL asked  if the Council is  not self-supporting and                                                               
requires general funds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LANE said that is correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON held HB 113 in committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        HCR 6-EST. LEG. TASK FORCE ON UNMANNED AIRCRAFT                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:24:34 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
HCR 6. [CSHCR 6(EDT) was before the committee.]                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SHELLEY  HUGHES, sponsor of HCR  6, explained that                                                               
HCR  6  would establish  a  legislative  task force  on  unmanned                                                               
aircraft.  She explained  that the  issue came  to her  attention                                                               
because of constituents' concerns about  privacy as it relates to                                                               
drones.  She   said  her  research  turned   up  positive  things                                                               
happening in Alaska  involving drones. She said  she learned that                                                               
the  University  of  Alaska  -  Fairbanks,  Center  for  Unmanned                                                               
Aircraft  Systems   Integration  was  a  leader   in  the  nation                                                               
regarding  drone  technology  and  was  harnessing  it  for  good                                                               
purposes. She noted  it was important to recognize  the good, but                                                               
also address privacy matters.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hughes explained  that  the  resolution does  two                                                               
things. It  recognizes the accomplishments  of the  University of                                                               
Alaska  -   Fairbanks,  Center  for  Unmanned   Aircraft  Systems                                                               
Integration   and  the   research  conducted   to  advance   this                                                               
technology in a  safe manner. It establishes a  task force within                                                               
the  legislative branch  to come  up with  policy recommendations                                                               
regarding privacy protection,  as well as the use  for public and                                                               
private purposes, including for law enforcement.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  recalled a  presentation on  the House  side by  retired Air                                                               
Force Brigadier  General Rowe  Bailey who brought  a model  of an                                                               
unmanned  aircraft named  Scout.  She listed  some  of the  tasks                                                               
drones can do.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She said  HCR 6  also recognizes that  with new  technology comes                                                               
the need  to revisit  certain laws  to ensure  the safety  of our                                                               
citizens.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:28:44 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON thought the bill was on the right track.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  said she is  supportive of the program,  but not                                                               
of another task force of 15 members and the expense of it.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  also wondered about  the fiscal note  for a                                                               
large task force and why  15 members and commissioners are needed                                                               
on it.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON said  that is  a legitimate  concern.   He commented                                                               
that a  drone is  being used  to survey  the beaches  for tsunami                                                               
debris. He  noted that  private aviation  has concerns  about the                                                               
military using drones.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  held HCR  6 in committee.  He suggested  the sponsor                                                               
address some of the concerns at a later hearing.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:30:41 AM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES pointed  out that April 10 is  the date the                                                               
Center is  trying to  put forward its  application. She  said the                                                               
commissioners  are included  on  the task  force  because of  the                                                               
areas in which a drone might  be used, such as Natural Resources.                                                               
She added  that the expenses of  the task force will  be absorbed                                                               
by departments for commissioners  attending. The thought was that                                                               
the  funding  within  the legislative  budget  was  adequate  for                                                               
private industry members. Thus, the zero fiscal note.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  observed that there  are two legislators  on the                                                               
task force and they would not accrue a zero note.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:31:42 AM                                                                                                                   
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair  Dyson   adjourned  the   Senate  State   Affairs  Standing                                                               
Committee at 10:31 p.m.