Legislature(2013 - 2014)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
04/05/2013 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY
| Audio | Topic |
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| Start | |
| SB65 | |
| HB9 | |
| Confirmation Hearing: Alaska Judicial Council | |
| SCR2 | |
| SB60 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| + | TELECONFERENCED | ||
| += | HB 9 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | SB 60 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SCR 2 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| = | SB 65 | ||
SB 60-BOUNTY ON SEA OTTERS
2:17:18 PM
CHAIR COGHILL announced the consideration of SB 60. "An Act
relating to sea otter population management."
2:18:01 PM
SENATOR BERT STEDMAN, Alaska State Legislature, sponsor of SB
60, described the industrial harvest of sea otters in coastal
Alaska in the 18th and 19th century that decimated the sea otter
populations. The state attempted to reintroduce the species in
1965-1969 by relocating 402 sea otters to the Southeast region.
They became a federally protected species in 1972 when Congress
passed the Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA) and management
was transferred to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The MMPA
made it illegal to harvest sea otters for everyone but coastal
Alaska Natives who could do so for subsistence and purposes of
making or selling traditional artisanal crafts.
SENATOR STEDMAN explained that in 1994 the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service (USFWS) approved the Conservation Plan for Sea
Otters in Alaska. In the preface it says the plan will be
reviewed annually and revised every three to five years.
Contrary to that directive, the USFWS never revised the plan.
Over the last 19 years the sea otter population has increased
exponentially and is devastating the shellfish industries on the
western coast of Southeast Alaska.
2:21:46 PM
SENATOR STEDMAN informed the committee that there are three
population stocks of sea otters in Alaska today. The southwest
stock ranges from Kodiak to the end of the Aleutian chain; the
central stock includes Cook Inlet and Prince William Sound; and
the southeast stock ranges from Dixon Entrance to Yakutat. In
Southeast, the population has been growing between 12 percent
and 14 percent a year. In 2012, the estimated population of sea
otters in Southeast Alaska was 25,000, and 842 were harvested by
Alaska Natives. According to the USFWS, the potential biological
removal of sea otters from Southeast to sustain the optimum
population is 2,180 annually. He emphasized that the intent of
SB 60 is to slow the growth rate, not eradicate the population.
He discussed the seafood diet of the sea otter and the fact that
that they consume up to 25 percent of their body weight per day.
He calculated that the current population of sea otters in
Southeast consumes over 148 million pounds of shellfish
annually. For perspective, the Dungeness crab harvest last year
was 4.8 million pounds. Current estimates indicate that since
1995, about $22.4 million in wholesale value has been lost from
the commercial fisheries due to sea otters. In recent years the
Alaska Department of Fish and Game has closed 17 harvest areas
due to sea otters. Crab fishermen are trying to get away from
sea otters and gear is being concentrated in fewer bays. He also
discussed the concerns that arise from trying to follow the
complicated MMPA regulations and the stiff penalties.
SENATOR STEDMAN explained that SB 60 is intended to encourage a
discussion between the federal government and the state to work
out an arrangement so that inhabitants can continue to survive
in coastal Southeast as they have for thousands of years.
2:28:46 PM
CHAIR COGHILL expressed interest in hearing more about the
jurisdictional question, U.S. code 16, and the legal challenges
associated with no management plans being forwarded under MMPA.
SENATOR STEDMAN said the jurisdictional issues were mentioned at
the previous committee, but the consensus appeared to be that it
was the purview of this committee.
SENATOR COGHILL asked Mr. Bell to discuss the sea otter
conservation plan in Alaska and the updates.
2:30:32 PM
LARRY BELL, Assistant Regional Director, U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service (USFWS), agreed with the sponsor that the management
authority comes from the Marine Mammal Protection Act, and the
management plan is to preserve and protect. He also confirmed
that the strict harvest provisions are limited to qualified,
coastal dwelling Alaska Natives for subsistence purposes or for
Native crafts and clothing. Other provisions prohibit the sale
and take except for the aforementioned exclusionary purposes. He
acknowledged that the plan is outdated and highlighted that
USFWS has learned a great deal about sea otters since the plan
was implemented. Multiple stocks of sea otters have been
identified, one of which is listed as threatened under the
Endangered Species Act (ESA) and is managed under a recovery
plan. The other two stocks are managed through periodic review
and stock assessment reports to determine the status of the
species throughout their range. Those data are compared to
determine growth, stability, or declines in population.
Determinations are based on that and whether it comports with
the management principles of the MMPA.
2:33:00 PM
CHAIR COGHILL asked him to discuss the requirements to review
the plan, including the location in the document.
MR. BELL explained that there is no requirement in law to have a
management plan, but the USFWS is required by law to manage
under the MMPA. Although the plan hasn't been revised every five
years, the stock assessments that provide the needed data to
implement management actions are done every three years.
CHAIR COGHILL asked if management is based on area or population
and flow.
MR. BELL replied that the three stocks are managed separately
and within each stock the management is based on the sea otter's
range, movement throughout the range, habitat availability, and
relative numbers compared to the carrying capacity of the range.
CHAIR COGHILL inquired if the MMPA has any management scheme
that talks about the decimated resource that the sea otters
leave behind as they move from one area to another.
MR. BELL said the MMPA doesn't address issues of managing marine
mammal stocks according to their beneficial or detrimental
effect on other wildlife species.
CHAIR COGHILL described that as a gap.
MR. BELL pointed out that under the current management regime
the qualified user group has no season dates, no license
requirements, and no bag limits. The harvest is as liberal as it
can be.
CHAIR COGHILL asked Mr. Fleener to discuss management practices.
2:37:02 PM
CRAIG FLEENER, Deputy Commissioner, Alaska Department of Fish
and Game (ADF&G), Anchorage, Alaska, described the physical
characteristics of sea otters, which are members of the weasel
family. Because they don't have an insulating blubber layer,
they require about 25 percent of their body weight in food every
day. He said that sea otters are linked to declining populations
of crab, sea urchins, clams, mussels, octopus, and other marine
invertebrates because those make up a large part of the sea
otter diet. This has resulted in fisheries restrictions and
closures in Southeast. Dive fisheries are being severely
affected by sea otters, including Dungeness crab, red sea
urchins, California sea cucumbers, and geoduck clams. Those are
valued at about $16 million annually.
To a lesser degree sea otters consume shrimp, tanner crab, red
king crab, and abalone. He said that the dive fisheries in
Craig, Sitka, and Petersburg are likely losing $2 million
annually due to sea otter depredation. If the current trajectory
continues, those fisheries are not sustainable in Southeast.
MR. FLEENER said sea otters are an important element of the
Southeast Alaska ecosystem and should be managed under
conservation principles, but they should not be protected at the
expense of other elements of the ecosystem or the ecosystem
itself. Sea otters are having a significant predatory effect on
shellfish in Southeast, particularly sea cucumbers and Dungeness
crabs. For a number of years ADF&G has been working with a wide
variety of people to develop solutions related to sea otter
impacts. A number of options have been considered to return
Southeast waters to a holistic and more sensible ecosystem-based
management approach that manages for sustainable shellfish and
sea otter populations.
These options include: a federal statutory change to ease the
restriction on the sale of hides; returning management authority
to the state; legislative amendments that exempt states from the
MMPA; exempting sea otters in Southeast from the MMPA; assisting
coastal Alaska Natives in developing MMPA authorized co-
management plans that focus Alaska Native sea otter harvest in
important fishing areas; and working with coastal Alaska Natives
with funding applications that assist in revitalizing Southeast
cottage industries.
ADF&G's long term goals have been to encourage the USFWS to ease
federal enforcement on subsistence hunters in Southeast; to work
with USFWS to liberalize the federal interpretation of
handicraft items to be more responsive to customs and traditions
of coastal Alaska Natives; to work with Congress to amend parts
of the ESA and MMPA to better reflect the health and abundance
of Southeast Alaska sea otter populations; to work closely with
Southeast coastal Natives to develop sea otter management plans
that are compliant with the MMPA, but encourage increased sea
otter harvest; to restore shellfish populations to meet
subsistence needs and provide commercial fishing opportunities;
to restore the coastal ecosystem; and to seek federal
reimbursement to commercial fishermen for lost economic
opportunity.
MR. FLEENER discussed an unintended consequence if the bill were
to go forward as currently written. The USFWS could consider the
taking of sea otters in Southeast as financially motivated and
not subsistence hunting and disallow it. The agency may also see
the bounty as a commercial purpose and remove Native's ability
to export those furs. It's also possible that the USFWS could
find increased take due to bounties, and close the hunt. Since
there is no differentiation between sea otters in Southeast and
the endangered sea otters, the state may be found liable for
encouraging the harvest of an endangered species. The [bounty]
funds flowing through ADF&G could also be a problem because it
isn't a coastal Alaska Native organization.
He highlighted the possible solutions. The funding could be
provided directly to a coastal Alaska Native tribe or tribal
entity; exempting the endangered sea otters from the bill to
focus only on the Southeast sea otter population; and promote an
ongoing close relationship with indigenous co-management
entities to implement this program.
With regard to the jurisdictional issues, Mr. Fleener said the
primary goal of the MMPA is to protect sea mammals, and it's
problematic when an act is put in place to permanently protect a
species that doesn't need protection. The state needs to address
that in the future, he said.
2:45:10 PM
CHAIR COGHILL asked how it would work to specify Southeast sea
otters.
MR. FLEENER suggested that the best mechanism is to work through
the existing tribal entities to avoid making any money available
for harvesting endangered sea otters. The focus would be
directly on the sea otters that are negatively impacting
shellfish.
CHAIR COGHILL asked if the state is managing fisheries in areas
that have been negatively impacted by sea otters.
MR. FLEENER said ADF&G manages fisheries in Southeast, but it
can't manage the sea otters that are causing the negative
impact. It's not the best course of action, but the only
management action the department can take on a fishery that is
negatively impacted is to close the harvest when numbers are
low.
2:48:41 PM
SENATOR MCGUIRE referenced the 12/6/12 legal memorandum from
Legislative Legal Services, and read the second paragraph as
follows:
Providing a state bounty for harvested sea otters,
even if the sea otters are only taken by those persons
permitted to do so under the MMPA, is likely to be
interpreted as conflicting with the intention and
purposes of the MMPA.
She told Mr. Bullard that she respectfully disagrees with the
opinion. The bill makes it very clear that the bounty can only
be given by ADF&G to those who can make a lawful taking under
the MMPA. The people who can lawfully take sea otters are those
Alaska Natives who take for subsistence purposes or artisanal
purposes. She suggested that saying that providing a bounty
incentivizes the taking of sea otters is troubling, but saying
the bounty is to offset costs would be valid. She further
suggested that it was a legitimate argument that the state was
incentivizing lawful takings under the MMPA.
ALPHEUS BULLARD, Legislative Counsel, Legislative Legal
Services, Legislative Affairs Agency, Juneau, Alaska,
acknowledged that all arguments are possible and there may be
other opinions. However, the substance of his opinion was that
the bill incentivizes taking sea otters, which is inconsistent
with protection of sea otters and that is the purpose of the
federal act. If the bill becomes law, he believes it will be
preempted.
SENATOR MCGUIRE asked if it would be more helpful if the sponsor
were to clarify that it was lawful takings and that the fee was
a reimbursement to offset costs associated with taking for
artisan purposes.
MR. BULLARD said it could be, but his opinion was restricted to
the bill before the committee.
SENATOR MCGUIRE suggested that it was consistent with Mr.
Fleener's testimony, and that the bill sponsor follow up on that
idea at a later time.
2:54:30 PM
CHAIR COGHILL said the committee would explore several legal
avenues and look at ways to bridge the gap on conflicting
jurisdictional issues. He asked the sponsor if he had explored
any of the avenues that Mr. Fleener listed.
2:55:28 PM
SENATOR STEDMAN said he touched on them lightly but thought it
would be more beneficial to bring the issue to the judiciary
committee. Referencing the comment by Senator McGuire about
offsetting the costs, he suggested that the costs don't
necessarily have to be offset at the harvest level. They could
readily be at the tannery level or in the area of marketing. He
reiterated that there was room to increase the harvest level to
several thousand per year.
CHAIR COGHILL commented that it may be helpful in the overall
protection of the sea otter if the state were to try to keep
them from destroying the ecosystem they depend on for their
survival.
SENATOR MCGUIRE suggested that it may not be possible to take
the issue head on in all areas. For example, it may not be
possible to convince the federal government that the sea otter
is no longer worthy of protection in Southeast Alaska or that
the people living in Southeast are worthy of maintaining a
livelihood. However, there can be agreement that there is an
exception under the MMPA that allows for subsistence hunting by
coastal Alaska Natives and the taking of sea otters for
artisanal purposes. To that end, she believes it is within the
sovereign right of the state to offer the fee. The concern
perhaps centers on the use of the term "bounty" because it
implies incentive. She suggested the sponsor and committee work
with Mr. Fleener to find a win-win solution.
2:59:56 PM
CHAIR COGHILL stated his commitment to work with the sponsor.
[SB 60 was held in committee.]
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| SB 60 vs A.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/13/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/13/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 McDowell Report.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/13/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Fiscal Note DFG-WCD 2013.03.08.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/13/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Supp Resolution Craig 2013.03.07.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/13/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Opp Letter PatriciaWherry 2013.03.12.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/13/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Opp Letter TinaBrown 2013.03.13.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Supp Written Testimony SARDFA 2013.03.13.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 USFWS 1994 Conservation Plan.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Supp Letter JulieDecker 2013.03.13.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Legal Opinion.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Supp Letter SE Conference.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 UCSC Study distributed by AWA.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 National Marine Sanctuaries Kelp Forests distributed by AWA.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Supp Letter UFA 2013.03.15.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Written Testimony SEAFA 2013.03.12.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Opp Letter PatriciaOBrien 2013.03.15.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM SRES 3/15/2013 3:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| HB9- Fiscal Note- LAW-CIV-02-15-13.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9- Fiscal Note-DNR-REC-2-15-13.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9- Sectional Summary by Leg Legal.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9 Sectional.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9-(28-LS0035-N).pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9-Sponsor Statement(1).pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9 Spporting Document- UCC Article 9 Amendments (2010) Summary.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9 Supporting Document- UCC Article 4A Amendments (2012) Summary.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9 Supporting Document- UCC Article 4A Amendments Legislative Fact Sheet.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9 Supporting Document- UCC Article 9 Amendments Legislative Fact Sheet.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| HB9 Supporting Documents- Letter Joe Everhart 1-28-13.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
HB 9 |
| Alaska Timber Industry History - SE Alaska.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SCR 2 |
| Letter of Support SCR2 from First Things First Alaska Foundation.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SCR 2 |
| SCR 2 Sponsor Statement - Acquire Tongass Timber Land.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SCR 2 |
| SCR2 Resolution 28-LS0676U.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
|
| Report by Alaska Timber Jobs Task Force.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SJR 2 |
| SB 60 Testimony from Craig Fleenor.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Letter from Max Worhatch.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Letter from Sealaska Heritage Institute.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |
| SB 60 Carl Porter Letter.pdf |
SJUD 4/5/2013 1:30:00 PM |
SB 60 |