Legislature(2025 - 2026)SENATE FINANCE 532

05/12/2025 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 20 CPR CURRICULUM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ SB 11 FLOOD INSURANCE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled:
+= SB 184 SCHOOL BOND DEBT REIMBURSEMENT TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 184 Out of Committee
+= SB 6 ASIAN AMERICAN/PACIFIC ISLANDER PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 6(EDC) Out of Committee
+= SB 146 REAA FUND: MT. EDGECUMBE, TEACHER HOUSING TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 146 Out of Committee
+ SB 37 STRATEGIC PLANS FOR STATE AGENCIES TELECONFERENCED
< Above Bill Removed From Agenda >
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       May 12, 2025                                                                                             
                         9:28 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:28:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:28 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elvi  Gray-Jackson, Sponsor; Clark  Bickford, Staff,                                                                    
Senator  Gray-Jackson;  Rose   Foley,  Staff,  Senator  Bert                                                                    
Stedman; Liz Harpold, Staff, Senator Donny Olson.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Douglas   Schrage,   Chief,   Anchorage   Fire   Department,                                                                    
Anchorage; Jason  Dolph, Safety Fire Office,  Anchorage Fire                                                                    
Department,   Anchorage;  Brian   Webb,  Emergency   Medical                                                                    
Services Instructor,  Anchorage; Mike Coons,  Self, Wasilla;                                                                    
Jamie Morgan,  Government Relations Regional  Lead, American                                                                    
Heart Association, California.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 6      ASIAN AMERICAN/PACIFIC ISLANDER PROGRAM                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          CSSB  6(EDC) was  REPORTED out  of committee  with                                                                    
          two "do  pass" recommendations  and with  four "no                                                                    
          recommendation" recommendations, and  with one new                                                                    
          zero fiscal note from  the Department of Education                                                                    
          and Early Development.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SB 11     FLOOD INSURANCE                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          SB 11 was HEARD and  HELD in committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 20     CPR CURRICULUM                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          SB 20 was HEARD and  HELD in committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 146    REAA FUND: MT. EDGECUMBE, TEACHER HOUSING                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          SB  146 was  REPORTED out  of committee  with five                                                                    
          "do  pass"   recommendations  and  with   two  "no                                                                    
          recommendation" recommendations, and  with one new                                                                    
          fiscal   impact  note   from  the   Department  of                                                                    
          Education and Early Development.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB 184    SCHOOL BOND DEBT REIMBURSEMENT                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          SB 184 was REPORTED out  of committee with six "do                                                                    
          pass"   recommendations  and   with  one   "amend"                                                                    
          recommendation,  and with  one  new fiscal  impact                                                                    
          note from  the Department  of Education  and Early                                                                    
          Development for Debt Service.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman discussed the agenda.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 20                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating   to  cardiopulmonary  resuscitation                                                                    
     education in public schools; relating  to the duties of                                                                    
     the Department of Education  and Early Development; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:29:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman relayed that it was the first hearing on                                                                       
SB 20. He invited the sponsor to the table to introduce the                                                                     
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:29:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELVI  GRAY-JACKSON, SPONSOR,  relayed that  the bill                                                                    
was a  reintroduction of a  bill that was  introduced during                                                                    
the 33rd legislature. The bill  was largely the same but for                                                                    
a  zero  fiscal  note.  The  zero fiscal  note  was  due  to                                                                    
existing  curriculum  in  other   school  districts  in  the                                                                    
country,  which   took  the  onus  off   of  Alaskan  school                                                                    
districts  to  create  curriculum.  She  cited  that  sudden                                                                    
cardiac arrest was  the third leading cause of  death in the                                                                    
United States, with over 365,000 casualties every year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gray-Jackson read from  a Sponsor Statement (copy on                                                                    
file):                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sudden Cardiac  Arrest is a  leading cause of  death in                                                                    
     the  United States,  but bystander  CPR can  triple the                                                                    
     survival  rate. Senate  Bill 20  seeks  to enhance  the                                                                    
     quality of  health education within our  state's public                                                                    
     school system by offering CPR  Curriculum to our school                                                                    
     students.  This  curriculum  focuses on  equipping  our                                                                    
     students  with the  knowledge and  skills necessary  to                                                                    
     increase the number of CPR-trained bystanders.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     By enacting  this legislation, we are  prioritizing the                                                                    
     health  and well-being  of our  youth, empowering  them                                                                    
     with  the   knowledge  and  skills  to   make  informed                                                                    
     decisions   and   respond  effectively   in   emergency                                                                    
     situations,  potentially  saving   lives  within  their                                                                    
     communities.   This  would   also  give   students  the                                                                    
     opportunity   to  begin   their  work-training   before                                                                    
     graduating school  which will help with  work shortages                                                                    
     across the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Integrating  CPR education  into the  school curriculum                                                                    
     helps   promote   a   culture   of   preparedness   and                                                                    
     responsiveness  to  emergencies. Requiring  schools  to                                                                    
     teach  CPR ensures  that  all  students, regardless  of                                                                    
     socioeconomic  status  or   geographic  location,  have                                                                    
     access   to   this   vital  life-saving   skill.   This                                                                    
     curriculum  will be  available to  all students  in our                                                                    
     vast state, and your support  is vital to enacting this                                                                    
     important legislation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:31:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLARK  BICKFORD, STAFF,  SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON,  offered some                                                                    
key statistics and remarks on the bill subject matter:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Cardiopulmonary  Resuscitation, also  known as  CPR, is                                                                    
     an important  skill to learn because  it helps maintain                                                                    
     vital  blood  flow to  the  heart  and brain  during  a                                                                    
     cardiac  arrest.   It  can  significantly   increase  a                                                                    
     person's   chances  of   survival  by   keeping  oxygen                                                                    
     circulating   around  the   brain  until   professional                                                                    
     medical help arrives.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Early  and  effective CPR  can  double  or even  triple                                                                    
     survival rates, making it  a critical life-saving skill                                                                    
     in emergencies.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     While  many people  are familiar  with traditional  CPR                                                                    
     methods,  involving  mouth-to-mouth resuscitation,  one                                                                    
     of the  main reasons we  are now seeing  hands-only CPR                                                                    
     being adopted  and implemented around the  country, was                                                                    
     to   reduce  public   hesitation  in   helping  unknown                                                                    
     victims. The  most reported  barrier to  performing CPR                                                                    
     was   the   requirement   for   mouth-to-mouth   rescue                                                                    
     breathing.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Hands-only  CPR  is  equally  effective  and  is  being                                                                    
     adopted nationwide  in training programs.  However, its                                                                    
     success heavily depends on  proper education and public                                                                    
     awareness. Without  knowing when and how  to administer                                                                    
     it,   bystanders   may   hesitate  or   fail   to   act                                                                    
     effectively.  This   legislation  can   teach  students                                                                    
     across the  state how to  properly administer  the life                                                                    
     saving techniques.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     With us  today are individuals who  have long advocated                                                                    
     for  the  inclusion  of  this  curriculum  in  previous                                                                    
     Alaska legislatures,  and even  in other  states across                                                                    
     the country as well.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     For    questions    specifically   related    to    its                                                                    
     implementation,  I   refer  you  to  Brian   Webb,  EMS                                                                    
     Coordinator  and CPR  expert; as  well as  Jason Dolph,                                                                    
     Safety Officer with the  Anchorage Fire Department; and                                                                    
     Chief  Schrage of  the Anchorage  Fire Department,  who                                                                    
     can speak  to the  effectiveness of this  training. For                                                                    
     questions  regarding  the  zero fiscal  note,  I  would                                                                    
     refer you again to Brian  Webb, who has a background in                                                                    
     designing and teaching these trainings.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:34:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUGLAS   SCHRAGE,   CHIEF,   ANCHORAGE   FIRE   DEPARTMENT,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE   (via   teleconference),  offered   his   invited                                                                    
testimony.   He  asserted   that  the   bill  provided   the                                                                    
opportunity  to make  an immediate  positive  impact on  the                                                                    
survival  rate from  sudden cardiac  arrest. Early  cardiac-                                                                    
pulmonary   resuscitation  (CPR)   and  automated   external                                                                    
defibrillator  (AED)  use  were the  single  most  important                                                                    
factors in  improving the survival rate  from sudden cardiac                                                                    
arrests.  He emphasized  that  CPR  education was  important                                                                    
because even  the best emergency response  system (EMS) took                                                                    
time to  arrive and the  first five minutes after  a cardiac                                                                    
arrest could  lead to irreversible  brain and  organ damage.                                                                    
He  proposed that  early CPR  by bystanders  was the  key to                                                                    
sustaining life until EMS arrived.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Schrage noted that most  cardiac arrests happened in the                                                                    
home,  where he  thought  students with  CPR training  could                                                                    
make  the most  impact. He  noted  that the  state had  made                                                                    
great strides  by improving  cardiac arrest  survival rates,                                                                    
but the  improvement had reached  a plateau. He  argued that                                                                    
to  make more  improvements,  the state  needed more  people                                                                    
trained in CPR and willing to engage in providing hands-                                                                        
only CPR  when needed.  He relayed  that hands-only  CPR not                                                                    
only  addressed  the impediment  of  people  not wanting  to                                                                    
provide CPR but  was more effective in  providing blood flow                                                                    
to  the brain  and vital  organs in  areas where  there were                                                                    
reasonable  response  times.  He   urged  the  committee  to                                                                    
support the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:37:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON DOLPH, SAFETY FIRE  OFFICE, ANCHORAGE FIRE DEPARTMENT,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  spoke  in  support of  the                                                                    
bill. He  was a second-generation firefighter  and a 26-year                                                                    
veteran  of  emergency  services  in the  state.  He  was  a                                                                    
certified Emergency  Medical Technician (EMT) as  well as an                                                                    
EMT  instructor and  CPR instructor.  He  asserted that  the                                                                    
survival  rate of  cardiac arrest  was only  10 percent.  He                                                                    
cited a  study that  showed patients  that had  received CPR                                                                    
within  two  minutes had  an  81  percent higher  chance  of                                                                    
survival  and ultimate  discharge  from  the hospital.  Even                                                                    
those that had  CPR delayed up to 10 minutes  still had a 19                                                                    
percent higher  chance of survival than  those that received                                                                    
no bystander CPR.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dolph recounted  having responded  to more  than 10,000                                                                    
emergency  incidents   in  his  career.  He   discussed  his                                                                    
anecdotal  experience with  greater success  for those  that                                                                    
had  CPR performed  by a  bystander. He  cited that  only 40                                                                    
percent of  people suffering sudden  cardiac rest  outside a                                                                    
hospital  received CPR  before  help  arrived. He  discussed                                                                    
teaching  CPR  and  his observation  that  people  took  CPR                                                                    
courses only when required. He  cited that 73 percent of all                                                                    
cardiac  arrests happened  in the  home. He  emphasized that                                                                    
the  bill  sought  to  teach  CPR  skills  early,  and  that                                                                    
children as young as 9 could perform CPR.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dolph recounted  a story  in Anchorage  in which  a 14-                                                                    
year-old performed  CPR on another  person of the  same age,                                                                    
even  when  there were  adults  in  the room.  He  discussed                                                                    
advantages  of  CPR  education   in  school,  including  the                                                                    
normalization of  CPR and confidence  in skills.  He thought                                                                    
the end-goal was "a generation  of life savers." He strongly                                                                    
urged  the committee  to pass  the  legislation. He  relayed                                                                    
that his wife was an elementary  educator, and he had a high                                                                    
regard for the  school system in the state.  He affirmed his                                                                    
regard  for all  subjects taught  and thought  CPR education                                                                    
was powerful knowledge.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:43:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN   WEBB,   EMERGENCY   MEDICAL   SERVICES   INSTRUCTOR,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), relayed that he  had served                                                                    
50  years in  EMS  and  was still  an  active paramedic  and                                                                    
educator.  He mentioned  prior testimony  that had  provided                                                                    
outdated  information.  He mentioned  peer-reviewed  studies                                                                    
that he had  provided to the committee which  had proven the                                                                    
effectiveness of hands-only CPR. He emphasized that hands-                                                                      
only  CPR was  endorsed  by the  American Heart  Association                                                                    
(AHA),   the   Resuscitation   Academy,  and   EMS   systems                                                                    
nationwide.  He asserted  that hands-only  CPR was  shown to                                                                    
double  or  triple survival  rates  for  victims of  cardiac                                                                    
arrest.  He  listed   mouth-to-mouth  resuscitation  as  the                                                                    
single most reason  that bystanders did not  help, and noted                                                                    
that hands-only  CPR removed the barrier.  He described that                                                                    
chest compressions  created a bellows  effect which  drew in                                                                    
fresh air and expelled carbon dioxide from the lungs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Webb emphasized  the importance  of  timing in  cardiac                                                                    
arrest  and  referenced  studies   that  showed  that  three                                                                    
minutes  of compressions  could get  a patients  circulation                                                                    
return   to  normal,   making  it   easier  to   do  cardiac                                                                    
defibrillation.  He  mentioned  far   distances  to  EMS  in                                                                    
Alaska. He encouraged the committee to pass the bill.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:46:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:46:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  COONS, SELF,  WASILLA (via  teleconference), spoke  in                                                                    
support of the bill.  He mentioned sending written testimony                                                                    
in support of  the bill, with the caveat that  it was hands-                                                                    
only  CPR education.  He mentioned  discussion in  committee                                                                    
hearings. He  relayed that he  had hoped that  both versions                                                                    
of CPR would  be taught. He was a retired  paramedic and had                                                                    
performed CPR and advanced cardiac  life support many times.                                                                    
He  described  a  scenario in  which  patients'  lives  were                                                                    
saved. He mentioned teaching CPR.  He asked the committee to                                                                    
add full CPR training to the bill.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:49:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMIE MORGAN,  GOVERNMENT RELATIONS REGIONAL  LEAD, AMERICAN                                                                    
HEART   ASSOCIATION,    CALIFORNIA   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified in  favor of the  bill. She cited that  every year                                                                    
more than  350,000 people experienced sudden  cardiac arrest                                                                    
outside of  a hospital.  She stressed that  trained students                                                                    
would  be able  to save  the  lives of  family members.  She                                                                    
discussed  CPR education.  Since 2018,  more than  40 states                                                                    
had passed  legislation that required students  to learn CPR                                                                    
before  graduation. She  urged  the members  to support  the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:51:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  discussed  a  zero   fiscal  note  from  the                                                                    
Department   of  Education   and   Early  Development,   OMB                                                                    
Component 2796. There  was a zero fiscal impact  with a note                                                                    
that  indicated   the  department  would   have  regulations                                                                    
sometime in late August.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked if the sponsor had any comments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gray-Jackson  thanked the committee for  hearing the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 20 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 11                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to  flood  insurance;  relating  to                                                                    
     property  insurance;  establishing   the  Alaska  Flood                                                                    
     Authority  and the  Alaska  flood  insurance fund;  and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:51:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman relayed that it was the first hearing for                                                                      
SB 11.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:52:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman, Sponsor, introduced the bill. He read                                                                     
from a Sponsor Statement (copy on file):                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Senate Bill 11 has  been introduced to protect Alaskans                                                                    
     from  financial  abuse  at the  hands  of  the  Federal                                                                    
     Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     FEMA administers  the National Flood  Insurance Program                                                                    
     (NFIP).  The NFIP  was  created to  share  the risk  of                                                                    
     flood losses (nationwide)  through flood insurance. The                                                                    
     program  enables   property  owners   in  participating                                                                    
     communities    to   purchase    insurance   protection,                                                                    
     administered  by the  government,  against losses  from                                                                    
     flooding.  FEMA   requires  flood  insurance   for  all                                                                    
     residential loans  or lines of credit  that are secured                                                                    
     by  a building  located in  the  FEMA Flood  Zone in  a                                                                    
     community that participates in the NFIP.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The National  Flood Insurance Program  was historically                                                                    
     the only  source of flood insurance.  In 2012, congress                                                                    
     reauthorized   the  NFIP   and  included   a  provision                                                                    
     allowing  private companies  to  offer flood  insurance                                                                    
     policies.  Another change  occurred in  2021 when  FEMA                                                                    
     adopted  a new  ratemaking  method  called Risk  Rating                                                                    
     2.0.  This new  methodology attempts  to make  the NFIP                                                                    
     more solvent and has resulted  in an expansion of flood                                                                    
     zones and  an increase  in premiums  for 77  percent of                                                                    
     plans backed by the NFIP.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Homes and  businesses in  a new  FEMA flood  zone could                                                                    
     see  significant negative  impacts  to property  values                                                                    
     from   requirements   to   purchase   expensive   flood                                                                    
     insurance  (flood insurance  must be  purchased if  the                                                                    
     owner  uses  a federally  insured  bank).  The new  and                                                                    
     expanded flood zones can also  restrict how a structure                                                                    
     is built on private  property and impact existing homes                                                                    
     and  businesses  that  want to  rehabilitate,  upgrade,                                                                    
     expand, or repair buildings.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Currently,  Alaskans  are  paying  flood  insurance  to                                                                    
     offset the  billions in hurricane  losses in  the Lower                                                                    
     48.   Furthermore,  the   NFIP  must   be  periodically                                                                    
     reauthorized by  congress (next by March  14, 2025) and                                                                    
     has   lapsed  four   times   in   the  past,   creating                                                                    
     significant  hurdles for  people  seeking mortgages  in                                                                    
     flood  areas. Combine  this with  very  few payouts  to                                                                    
     flood victims and  it can easily be  concluded that the                                                                    
     NFIP doesn't work for Alaskans.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     It  is the  intent of  Senate Bill  11 to  supplant the                                                                    
     NFIP with an Alaska  based insurance program that keeps                                                                    
     the premium payments in Alaska, benefiting Alaskans.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:56:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  continued his  remarks. He  recounted that                                                                    
when he had considered the  issue a few years previously and                                                                    
had concerns about the  minimum insurance coverage ($250,000                                                                    
for  residential  and  $500,000   for  commercial),  he  had                                                                    
compared statewide premiums paid  compared to losses. He had                                                                    
found it  alarming that Alaskans  were paying  large amounts                                                                    
of money for a small amount  of money back. He pondered that                                                                    
the insurance  was subsidizing the Mississippi  River Basin,                                                                    
the  Gulf  of Mexico,  and  the  East Coast  from  hurricane                                                                    
exposure. He cited  that between 2008 and  2021 Alaskans had                                                                    
paid almost $41  million in premiums for  the National Flood                                                                    
Insurance Program  (NFIP) and received only  $6.5 million in                                                                    
claims paid.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  referenced page  5  of  a report  to  the                                                                    
legislature from  the Department of Commerce,  Community and                                                                    
Economic  Development   (copy  on  file).  The   report  was                                                                    
entitled  "FEMA  National  Flood Insurance  Program  Premium                                                                    
Analysis," and  showed that  while the  city of  Bethel paid                                                                    
$2.2  million  in  premiums and  received  zero  dollars  in                                                                    
claims. The  city of  Juneau paid  $4.2 million  in premiums                                                                    
and had  received $435,979; and Anchorage  paid $2.2 million                                                                    
and  received   $171,000.  He   described  the   balance  as                                                                    
lopsided.  He  discussed  restrictions and  considered  that                                                                    
FEMA intentionally wanted to push  development off the coast                                                                    
and did  not want rebuilding  with pilings or rock  fill off                                                                    
the coast. He discussed the  topography of Southeast and the                                                                    
challenge of  building away  from the  coast. He  noted that                                                                    
FEMA had  updated its flood  maps and included new  risk and                                                                    
rating  systems for  Alaskans. He  referenced changing  home                                                                    
designations   to  being   within   flood   zones  (with   a                                                                    
requirement  for flood  insurance)  and mentioned  Ketchikan                                                                    
having hundreds of homes reclassified.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman used  the example  of an  older home  with                                                                    
flood damage  that was out  of compliance; which  could only                                                                    
utilize $150,000 for repairs,  bringing it up to compliance,                                                                    
or tearing  it down. He  mentioned lost equity  and asserted                                                                    
that   the   current   policy   restricted   Alaskans   from                                                                    
maintaining  older homes.  He found  the issue  alarming. He                                                                    
pointed  out  that  the national  program  was  periodically                                                                    
reauthorized by  Congress and noted that  there were lapses.                                                                    
He mentioned  "complete chaos" in  Washington D.C.,  and the                                                                    
possibility that  FEMA could be liquidated  or substantially                                                                    
reduced. He  thought it would be  good for the state  to put                                                                    
in its own program, with  an increased limit of $250,000 for                                                                    
residential homes and $2  million for commercial structures.                                                                    
He thought the committee might  want to ponder and amend the                                                                    
amounts. He  pointed out that  $250,000 was not a  large sum                                                                    
to do much to a residential structure.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:01:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman shared a  significant concern that Alaskans                                                                    
were  subsidizing other  areas  of the  country while  being                                                                    
subjected  to massive  building  restrictions. He  mentioned                                                                    
organized  communities that  had  planning commissions,  and                                                                    
the  state's desire  that local  communities go  through the                                                                    
planning  and zoning  processes  and to  make decisions.  He                                                                    
thought  planning  commissions  were  perfectly  capable  of                                                                    
managing   building  on   waterfronts,  and   that  building                                                                    
departments  were perfectly  capable of  issuing permits  to                                                                    
build above the  high-tide line. He noted  that the original                                                                    
inhabitants of the state did  not build villages below high-                                                                    
tide lines, nor  were later buildings built  below the high-                                                                    
tide line. He thought the  state could produce more coverage                                                                    
for less premiums.  He used the example of  Sitka, which had                                                                    
only had one loss since 1977;  while Ketchikan had a few and                                                                    
Juneau had  a few. He  mentioned issues with  the Mendenhall                                                                    
River  in  Juneau.  He reiterated  the  concern  of  Alaskan                                                                    
residents having to subsidize expenses  in areas such as the                                                                    
Mississippi Delta  or Florida. He  hoped to get the  bill on                                                                    
the table to be discussed during the interim.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:03:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman thought it seemed  like the old homesteaders                                                                    
were  savvy and  had not  built below  the tideline.  He was                                                                    
curious  about the  funding plan.  He asked  about potential                                                                    
funding from  the Alaska Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC)                                                                    
and asked  how the  conversations had gone  and if  AHFC was                                                                    
amenable.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman considered a lot  of the prices of the bill                                                                    
to be  "place holders." He thought  there may be a  need for                                                                    
seed  capital to  get the  proposed program  up and  running                                                                    
until  premiums kicked  in. He  asserted that  more dialogue                                                                    
was needed with AHFC as the legislation was refined.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  mentioned that he  had spent a lot  of time                                                                    
in the  South in hurricane areas.  He referenced conflicting                                                                    
requirements that  necessitated building  so high  that wind                                                                    
damage  was   exacerbated.  He  echoed   Co-Chair  Stedman's                                                                    
comments pertaining to FEMA not  wanting people to settle on                                                                    
the coast.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:05:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROSE FOLEY,  STAFF, SENATOR BERT  STEDMAN, relayed  that she                                                                    
had  a  Sectional  Analysis  (copy  on  file)  available  to                                                                    
present if the committee wished.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked to forego the Sectional Analysis.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  appreciated  the   bill,  which  he  thought                                                                    
covered  more   things  that  were   currently  uninsurable,                                                                    
including  landslides.  He  asked  about  the  inclusion  of                                                                    
coverage to protect against losses from avalanches.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   thought  there  had  been   interest  in                                                                    
landslide  provisions.  he  mentioned landslides  in  recent                                                                    
years that had resulted in loss  of life. He pondered that a                                                                    
bill might  benefit from being  more narrowly  focused until                                                                    
it  was up  and running,  and adding  expansions at  a later                                                                    
time. He  relayed that there  had been interest  in covering                                                                    
landslides,   which   required    different   analysis   and                                                                    
consideration  of flood  zones. He  thought the  Division of                                                                    
Insurance  might  have  some commentary  on  the  topic.  He                                                                    
pointed out that Juneau had  exposure to both landslides and                                                                    
flooding. He mentioned the Mendenhall River.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Foley added that the  bill as currently written included                                                                    
coverage for mudflow but not landslides.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  considered  state finances  and  thought  it                                                                    
appeared  as  though the  funds  for  the program  would  be                                                                    
subject to the "sweep"  and subject to annual appropriation.                                                                    
He wondered if the sponsor  had given thought to structuring                                                                    
the  funding to  have  more durability  to  carry over  year                                                                    
after year in case things went "haywire" in the building.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  appreciated Senator Kiehl's point.  He did                                                                    
not want the funding subject  to the sweep, so that premiums                                                                    
would accumulate and exceed claims  and the margin. He hoped                                                                    
to get premiums lowered.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Foley added  that  the  bill set  up  the Alaska  Flood                                                                    
Authority  Fund  as  a  fund in  the  treasury  outside  the                                                                    
General Fund, and not subject to the sweep.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:09:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:09:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:09:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  reviewed the first  of four fiscal  notes. He                                                                    
addressed  FN   1  from  DCCED,  OMB   Component  1027.  The                                                                    
commissioner's  office  did  not  anticipate  costs  in  the                                                                    
current fiscal year, and had  an indeterminate assessment on                                                                    
setting up and capitalizing of the new fund.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  addressed a new  fiscal note from  DCCED, OMB                                                                    
component 2879.  The difference from the  earlier version of                                                                    
the fiscal note  showed in FY 26 $569.9 thousand  of UGF. In                                                                    
FY 27  the amount  went down  to $539.9  of DGF.  The amount                                                                    
dropped to $41.9  thousand in FY 28. The  fiscal note called                                                                    
for  three  permanent  full-time positions.  The  note  also                                                                    
marked the new fund.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  spoke  to  FN 3  from  DCCED's  Division  of                                                                    
Insurance, OMB  Component 354. The fiscal  note started with                                                                    
an  FY  26 cost  of  $521.6  thousand of  receipt  supported                                                                    
services,  as   well  as  two  full-time   positions  and  a                                                                    
temporary position. In  FY 27 the amount went  down to 472.6                                                                    
DGF. In  FY 29 the amount  went down to just  below $300,000                                                                    
and the temporary position went away.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  addressed  FN  4   from  the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue's  Alaska Housing  Finance  Corporation (AHFC),  OMB                                                                    
Component  110.  The  department provided  an  indeterminate                                                                    
note  and did  not know  how much  of the  $500,000 backstop                                                                    
would be called upon.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman commented that he  did not think the shore-                                                                    
front residents of  the state were not interested  in a free                                                                    
ride. He  thought the project  would have to pay  for itself                                                                    
and might  need some seed  capital that could be  paid back.                                                                    
He commented  that the  premiums being  paid to  the federal                                                                    
government were so excessive, it  should be possible to make                                                                    
the  program pay  for  itself.  He thought  in  the end  the                                                                    
program would be a net zero  for the state. He affirmed that                                                                    
he was  not looking for  the state  to subsidize or  pay for                                                                    
the proposed program.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman volunteered Senator  Kiehl's office to work                                                                    
on the bill  with his office over the  interim. He mentioned                                                                    
Juneau's landslide [flood] and water issues.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SB  11  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 184                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to school bond debt reimbursement;                                                                        
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:13:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman relayed that  the committee first heard the                                                                    
bill on  May 6 and  had taken public testimony  and reviewed                                                                    
fiscal  notes at  the  time. There  had  been one  amendment                                                                    
received.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:14:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LIZ HARPOLD,  STAFF, SENATOR DONNY OLSON,  explained that SB
184 proposed  to extend the  moratorium on school  bond debt                                                                    
reimbursement  for  an  additional two  years.  The  initial                                                                    
moratorium went into effect ten years previously.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:14:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 1.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl spoke  to Amendment  1. He  relayed that  the                                                                    
amendment was  related to a  draft regulation that  DEED had                                                                    
circulated  to  school  business   officials.  The  way  the                                                                    
regulation was drawn up prevented  schools that were funding                                                                    
at  or  near the  cap  from  funding  things that  were  not                                                                    
subject  to  the  cap (non-instructional  expenditures).  He                                                                    
used the example  of The Unalaska City  School District, and                                                                    
the  subject  of  $400,000 in  school  nutrition  funds.  He                                                                    
listed $400,000 of lunch money  in Valdez and $13 million in                                                                    
Anchorage for  pupil transportation as further  concerns and                                                                    
indicated there  were many  more examples  in the  state. He                                                                    
cited that  in rough  terms, if  the regulation  passed, the                                                                    
first  $25  million  to  $30   million  provided  to  school                                                                    
districts  with  the  legislature  would  go  away  via  the                                                                    
department  over the  summer. The  amendment would  maintain                                                                    
the rules currently in place.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl drew attention to  Section 7, which related to                                                                    
the school  districts' operating fund that  was currently in                                                                    
regulation  and put  it into  statute.  The amendment  would                                                                    
prevent  the department  from being  about  to re-write  how                                                                    
education  funding  was done  since  1998  when the  funding                                                                    
formula went  into effect.  He knew  there had  been concern                                                                    
voiced by the department that  there may be issues regarding                                                                    
the federal disparity test. He  explained that the education                                                                    
funding  provided by  the legislature  for the  current year                                                                    
allowed  for  headroom under  the  disparity  test that  the                                                                    
state had not had in the past.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  remarked  that  the  federal  Department  of                                                                    
Education had  not indicated that  there was a  problem that                                                                    
needed  to be  solved by  a new  regulation. He  thought the                                                                    
regulation was  set to be  taken up  in the summer  when the                                                                    
legislature  was not  in session.  He thought  the amendment                                                                    
constituted "self-defensefrom   a  new regulation that would                                                                    
make giant  changes in school  funding and finance  and took                                                                    
money away from non-instructional expenses.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:17:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl continued  that he  had conversations  with a                                                                    
couple  of members  that had  questions which  he needed  to                                                                    
answer. He understood that the  committee needed to move the                                                                    
bill,  and  he  had  wanted   to  introduce  the  issue  for                                                                    
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl moved to WITHDRAW  Amendment 1. There being NO                                                                    
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought the issue  of Amendment 1 should be                                                                    
addressed  and  suggested   querying  the  Senate  Education                                                                    
Committee  for consideration  of the  issue. He  thought the                                                                    
issue should  be pondered by  the committee. He  agreed with                                                                    
the  amendment  sponsor that  the  topic  was a  significant                                                                    
issue.  He understood  that the  regulation  would not  take                                                                    
effect  until 2027,  but thought  the  committee should  not                                                                    
lose sight of the issue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman pointed  out that  the underlying  bill was                                                                    
about  maintenance and  capital projects  rather than  about                                                                    
program  funding. He  thought the  committee  should keep  a                                                                    
clean bill.  He thought  the issue  raised by  Senator Kiehl                                                                    
deserved thorough vetting in a policy committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  MOVED to  report SB  184 out  of Committee                                                                    
with individual recommendations  and the accompanying fiscal                                                                    
note. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SB  184 was  REPORTED out  of committee  with six  "do pass"                                                                    
recommendations  and with  one  "amend" recommendation,  and                                                                    
with  one new  fiscal  impact note  from  the Department  of                                                                    
Education and Early Development for Debt Service.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:19:53 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:22:57 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 6                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act requiring education in the history and                                                                             
     contributions   of   Asian    Americans   and   Pacific                                                                    
     Islanders."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:23:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  relayed that the committee  first heard SB
6 on  April 4  and had taken  public testimony  and reviewed                                                                    
fiscal  notes  at  the  time.  He  invited  the  sponsor  to                                                                    
reintroduce the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:23:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elvi  Gray-Jackson, Sponsor,  relayed that  the bill                                                                    
would require  Asian American/Pacific Islander  education in                                                                    
K-12 schools. She noted that  the bill was almost passed the                                                                    
previous session. She thanked  the committee for hearing the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl MOVED  to report CSSB 6(EDC)  out of Committee                                                                    
with individual recommendations  and the accompanying fiscal                                                                    
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  6(EDC) was  REPORTED  out of  committee  with two  "do                                                                    
pass"  recommendations  and  with four  "no  recommendation"                                                                    
recommendations, and with one new  zero fiscal note from the                                                                    
Department of Education and Early Development.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:24:41 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:26:24 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 146                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An   Act   relating   to  the   regional   educational                                                                    
     attendance  area and  small  municipal school  district                                                                    
     fund;  relating  to  Mt.  Edgecumbe  High  School;  and                                                                    
     relating to teacher housing."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:26:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman relayed that  the committee had first heard                                                                    
SB  146  on April  4  and  had  taken public  testimony  and                                                                    
reviewed the fiscal notes at the time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:26:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Liz Harpold,  Staff, Senator Donny Olson,  explained that SB
146 proposed  to amend  the Regional  Educational Attendance                                                                    
Area (REAA)  Fund language to include  major maintenance and                                                                    
construction  at  Mount  Edgecumbe High  School  (MEHS)  and                                                                    
major  maintenance  for teacher  housing  in  REAA or  small                                                                    
municipal areas  as allowable  uses for  the fund.  The bill                                                                    
also  proposed to  remove the  $70 million  cap on  the fund                                                                    
value  preventing any  fund balance  above  the amount  from                                                                    
lapsing into  the General Fund at  the end of the  year. She                                                                    
reminded that  MEHS was  a public  boarding school,  and its                                                                    
maintenance  was  part  of DEED's  advocacy  efforts  unlike                                                                    
other high  schools around the  state. By amending  the REAA                                                                    
Fund language, MEHS would be  able to advocate to put itself                                                                    
on the  major maintenance and deferred  maintenance lists as                                                                    
other high schools in the state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:27:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  added that  MEHS could not  be put  in the                                                                    
major  maintenance  list  for   K-12.  He  mentioned  vetoes                                                                    
related  to  the  topic.  He emphasized  that  MEHS  had  to                                                                    
compete with  all other DOT maintenance  requests around the                                                                    
state,  and  due  to  its   small  size  did  not  get  much                                                                    
attention. He noted that he  had not seen advocacy from DEED                                                                    
on behalf  of MEHS. He  mentioned difficulty in  getting the                                                                    
deferred  maintenance list  from the  department. There  was                                                                    
concern that without inclusion the  school would continue to                                                                    
be  disadvantaged.   He  discussed  the  age   of  the  MEHS                                                                    
buildings, which were built before  World War II. He thought                                                                    
planning was necessary  for the benefit of  MEHS. He pointed                                                                    
out  that  MEHS  was  one of  the  state's  best  performing                                                                    
schools, and  many future  leaders had  come from  and would                                                                    
come from the school.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman stressed  that Co-Chair  Stedman had  been                                                                    
the school's  sole advocate for years.  He expressed support                                                                    
for the bill.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  MOVED to  report SB  146 out  of Committee                                                                    
with individual recommendations  and the accompanying fiscal                                                                    
note. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SB 146  was REPORTED  out of committee  with five  "do pass"                                                                    
recommendations   and    with   two    "no   recommendation"                                                                    
recommendations, and  with one new  fiscal impact  note from                                                                    
the Department of Education and Early Development.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:31:05 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:32:57 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman discussed the agenda for the afternoon                                                                         
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:33:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:33 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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SB 20 CPR Curriculum Sectional Analysis Version N._.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
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SB 20 CPR Curriculum Sponsor Statement Version N._.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
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SB 20 Hands-Only CPR Research Links.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
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SB 20 NEA-Alaska letter from Tom Klaameyer in support of SB 20 2.19.2025 (1).pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 20
SB 20 Supporting Documents.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 20
SB 20 Written Letter of Support From Brian Webb.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 20
SB 11 Backup - 2022 DCCED NFIP Report published 12.22.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 11
SB 11 Sectional Analysis ver A 4.9.25.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 11
SB 11 Sponsor Statement ver A 4.9.25.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 11
SB 11 DCCED DCRA 050925.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 11
SB 11 AML Testimony.pdf SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 11
SB 20 Coons Testimony.msg SFIN 5/12/2025 9:00:00 AM
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