Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

04/25/2024 10:00 AM House FISHERIES

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              HR  8-FISHERIES BYCATCH REGULATIONS                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:04:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                              
HOUSE RESOLUTION  NO. 8,  Encouraging the  Department of  Fish and                                                              
Game to adopt certain regulations relating to fisheries bycatch.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:04:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE opened public testimony on HR 8.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:04:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CARL  HOLMAN,  representing  self, provided  public  testimony  in                                                              
support of  HR 8.   He shared  that he lived  and worked  in Dutch                                                              
Harbor from  1997 to  2004.   He stated  that he serviced  fishing                                                              
vessels and handled  gear in the pollack fishery.   He stated that                                                              
the fishery  is a midwater  fishery and  described the  gear used.                                                              
He stated  that after  the boats  returned from  a 30-day  opener,                                                              
the gear would  be shredded.  He expressed the  understanding that                                                              
this was  because the gear was  scraping the bottom of  the ocean;                                                              
therefore,  he  pointed  out  that  this  would  not  be  midwater                                                              
fishing.  After this  work, he stated that he went  out on a trawl                                                              
vessel and  witnessed the bycatch  going overboard.   He described                                                              
seeing king  crab, halibut, flounder,  salmon, and  other species,                                                              
noting  that this  is  not indicative  of  midwater  fishing.   He                                                              
argued that this  type of fishing is destroying the  bottom of the                                                              
ocean,  creating a  dead  zone.   He  expressed  the opinion  that                                                              
action  needs  to happen  now;  otherwise,  there  will not  be  a                                                              
fishery in the Bering Sea.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:07:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  requested  that  the  testifier  submit  a                                                              
written testimony to the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  requested  a written  statement  from  the                                                              
testifier on  the details of  bycatch from different  fishing gear                                                              
types.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:08:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
EDWARD  C JOHNSON,  representing self,  provided public  testimony                                                              
in  support of  HR 8.  He stated  that  he has  been a  commercial                                                              
fisherman  for 42  years.   He stated  that he has  been to  Dutch                                                              
Harbor  many times,  where he  saw  bycatch sorted  out, put  into                                                              
totes at  the processers,  and then  driven to  the grinder  to be                                                              
destroyed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON  addressed  the state's  appointments  to  the  North                                                              
Pacific  Fisheries Management  Council  (NPFMC).   He argued  that                                                              
these  appointments should  no  longer be  a  "revolving door"  of                                                              
trawling lobbyist  and big industry players and  balance should be                                                              
brought back to  the board by supporting conservation.   He argued                                                              
that the  governor has too much  power in these appointments.   He                                                              
suggested  there   be  a  10-year  moratorium,  so   lobbyist  and                                                              
government officials  cannot continually participate  as returning                                                              
board members  and be  involved in the  managerial decisions.   He                                                              
argued  that the  [way the  fisheries  are being  managed] is  not                                                              
sustainable, as the fisheries are "crashing."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:11:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JULIAN RAMIREZ,  Salmon and Clear Water Organizer,  Alaska Center,                                                              
provided  public  testimony  on HR  8,  on  behalf of  the  Alaska                                                              
Center.  He expressed  support for the removal  of the utilization                                                              
language from HR  8.  He expressed the opinion  that other actions                                                              
could  be taken to  remove bycatch  at its  source, leaving  these                                                              
fish to  be legally caught  and utilized in  this way.   On behalf                                                              
of  the Alaska  Center, he  expressed support  for the  following:                                                              
24-hour observer  coverage in  the Gulf of  Alaska and  Bering Sea                                                              
trawl  fisheries;   the  nomination  of  a  Tribal   member  to  a                                                              
designated seat on  NPFMC; and a connection between  the state and                                                              
federal   managed  fisheries   so   fishing   closures  could   be                                                              
coordinated.    He discussed  the  effects  of climate  change  on                                                              
cold-water fisheries;  however, he urged that  controlling bycatch                                                              
could have a positive effect on sustaining these fisheries.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:13:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  BOUGHT, representing  self,  provided  public testimony  in                                                              
support of HR 8.   He expressed the opinion that  keeping trawlers                                                              
off the  bottom of  the ocean  floor would  be the most  important                                                              
action  that could  be taken.    He pointed  out that  there is  a                                                              
loophole in the  language that protects the gear  being used, even                                                              
in  protected  areas.    He  explained  that  this  type  of  gear                                                              
dramatically  affects the  ability of  fisheries to  recover.   He                                                              
noted that  there have been  no studies  on recovery times  of the                                                              
Arctic's  ocean floor, estimating  that this  recovery could  take                                                              
centuries.   He stated  that often  climate change  is blamed  for                                                              
the  decline in  the fisheries  in Alaska;  however, he  suggested                                                              
that  this  is  an  excuse  for   not  taking  responsibility  for                                                              
destructive  fishing practices.    He opined  that climate  change                                                              
may be  having an  impact, but  this would  not justify  making it                                                              
worse.   He  noted a  study that  suggested  that bottom  trawling                                                              
puts carbon  in the  atmosphere.  He  expressed concern  on wanton                                                              
waste in the fisheries.   He pointed out that the  Constitution of                                                              
the  State  of  Alaska  requires  sustainable  management  of  the                                                              
state's  resources and  argued that  this  does not  exist in  the                                                              
trawl industry.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:16:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KIRIL  BASARGIN,  Member, K-Bay  Fisheries  Association,  provided                                                              
invited  testimony   on  HR  8,  on  behalf   of  K-Bay  Fisheries                                                              
Association.  He  stated that the association represents  over 200                                                              
fishermen   and  600  community   members.     He  discussed   the                                                              
association's concern  about the trawl fleet, as  it has exploited                                                              
fishing.  He  expressed the opinion that this  fleet has destroyed                                                              
Kachemak  Bay and  the Gulf  of Alaska  around Seward,  as no  cod                                                              
fishery remains in  these areas.  He discussed  the destruction in                                                              
Prince  William Sound,  as  there  are no  king  salmon or  shrimp                                                              
there.   He  stated that  in January  he saw  20-plus trawlers  in                                                              
Shelikof Strait,  which he  described as  "a sanctuary  for fish."                                                              
He discussed how  trawling is destroying the spawning  grounds for                                                              
multiple species.   He recommended  that trawl fishing  be banned,                                                              
and the trawl fishermen need to be held accountable.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:19:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TONY ARSENAULT,  representing self,  provided public  testimony in                                                              
support of HR 8.   He shared that for 39 years he  has run a sport                                                              
charter  business  in Homer.    He  expressed agreement  with  the                                                              
previous  public   testifiers.    He  recommended   that  the  top                                                              
priority  for  the  proposed  legislation   should  be  to  reduce                                                              
bycatch.   He expressed disappointment  with the governor  and the                                                              
commissioner of ADF&G,  as they had informed NPFMC  that no action                                                              
was  needed  on  bycatch.   He  discussed  the  trawl  fishery  in                                                              
Shelikof Strait,  pointing out that  there are not  many observers                                                              
on board the trawl vessels there.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:20:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BROOKE  WOODS, representing  self,  provided  public testimony  in                                                              
support of HR  8.  She stated that  she is a Tribal  member on the                                                              
Yukon River,  where the  subsistence fishery  for king  salmon has                                                              
been  closed for  seven  years,  and the  chum  salmon fishery  is                                                              
declining.  She  expressed concern that bycatch could  be a profit                                                              
for  industry.   She stated  that  the SeaShare  program has  been                                                              
unable  to provide  bycatch  donations to  remote  villages.   She                                                              
argued that the  state needs to act so wild salmon  will return to                                                              
impacted villages  [indisc.].  She  discussed the  consequences of                                                              
bycatch in the Bering Sea.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:22:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE,  after ascertaining  that there  was no one  else who                                                              
wished to testify, close public testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[HR 8 was held over.]                                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HR 8 - Proposed CS v.B (04-24-24).pdf HFSH 4/25/2024 10:00:00 AM
HR 8
CSSCR 10 - Amendment #1 (S.A.2) by Chair Vance.pdf HFSH 4/25/2024 10:00:00 AM
SSCR10
CSSCR 10 - Amendment #2 (S.A.1) by Rep. McCormick.pdf HFSH 4/25/2024 10:00:00 AM
SSCR10
HR 8 - Written Public Testimony (Uploaded as of 04-25-24).pdf HFSH 4/25/2024 10:00:00 AM
HR 8