Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 17

02/20/2008 03:00 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE


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*+ HB 331 MOTOR VEHICLES:INS/LICENSES/IMPOUNDMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 331(L&C) Out of Committee
*+ HJR 32 BROADCASTING INDUSTRY TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
HJR 32-BROADCASTING INDUSTRY                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:06:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON announced that the first order of business would be                                                                 
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 32, Supporting open and free                                                                         
competition within the broadcasting industry.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BILL  STOLTZE, Alaska State Legislature,  as prime                                                               
sponsor, explained  that HJR 32  supports robust  and competitive                                                               
airwaves  by  opposing  federal  action  that  would  reverse  or                                                               
inhibit  open  and  free   competition  within  the  broadcasting                                                               
industry.   [The  fairness doctrine  is  a policy  of the  United                                                               
States Federal Communications Commission  (FCC), which was passed                                                               
by Congress in 1987, but vetoed  by President Reagan.]  Since the                                                               
lifting of what  is "mislabeled" as the  "fairness doctrine," the                                                               
public  has had  unfiltered  publicly accessible  airwaves.   [In                                                               
1987,  when  the  courts  declared  that  the  doctrine  was  not                                                               
mandated by Congress and the FCC  did not have to enforce it, the                                                               
FCC  dissolved  the  doctrine.]    While  Representative  Stoltze                                                               
suggested he does not always agree  with what is broadcast on the                                                               
airwaves, he supports open, free airwaves.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:09:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN inquired as to  what brought this matter to                                                               
Representative Stoltze's attention.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE  answered  that  ongoing  legislation  in                                                               
Congress  would  reenact  the fairness  doctrine  and  curb  open                                                               
unfiltered  talk radio.   In  further response  to Representative                                                               
Neuman, Representative Stoltze explained  that under the fairness                                                               
doctrine,  if you  put  forth one  controversial  idea, you  must                                                               
provide equal air time for a competing idea.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE, in  response  to Representative  Neuman,                                                               
answered that  this resolution  is offered as  a courtesy  to the                                                               
federal  delegation  and   to  allow  all  ideas   to  enter  the                                                               
marketplace.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE, in  response  to Representative  Neuman,                                                               
offered to find out whether HJR 32 would affect public radio.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:12:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  applauded the  fact that the  resolution is                                                               
directed  only  to  the  Alaska delegation  and  not  the  entire                                                               
Congress.   He inquired as  to whether  HJR 32 would  affect talk                                                               
show hosts who are also  legislators by requiring them to provide                                                               
equal air time to their opponents.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE responded  that  the resolution  supports                                                               
equal time for competing ideas  so the station would probably air                                                               
music if air time was not marketplace viable.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:15:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE,  in  response  to  Representative  Buch,                                                               
answered  that  the  resolution  does not  condemn  an  act,  but                                                               
strongly discourages passage of an act.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:15:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  referred to  a page  2 of  a handout  in the                                                               
committee  packet, titled  "CNSNews.Com, Cybercast  News Service"                                                               
which  read:   "The U.S.  Supreme Court  ruled in  1969 that  the                                                               
doctrine  did  not  violate  the   First  Amendment  because  the                                                               
airwaves belonged  to the public  and thus could  face government                                                               
regulation  to  which  print  media  were  not  subjected."    He                                                               
inquired as  to whether the  resolution affects what  has already                                                               
been affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE  conveyed  that the  U.S.  Supreme  Court                                                               
interpreted that  it was legal  to invoke the  Fairness Doctrine,                                                               
but it did  not mandate it.  Instead,  an administrative decision                                                               
was issued in  1987.  The Fairness Doctrine does  not violate the                                                               
first  amendment,  but it  violates  the  principle of  the  free                                                               
marketplace, he opined.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH referred  to  a  committee handout  labeled,                                                               
"MSNBC.com" which read:  "According  to researchers, more than 85                                                               
percent of talk-radio  programming leans to the right  - at least                                                               
by the  researchers' definition."    He voiced that if  that were                                                               
the  case, it  would seem  that the  information currently  being                                                               
broadcast  is one  sided by  85 percent.   In  essence, the  U.S.                                                               
Supreme  Court  affirmed  that the  Fairness  Doctrine  does  not                                                               
violate the first amendment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE pointed  out that it would not  be hard to                                                               
search  for another  quote to  demonstrate that  the three  major                                                               
network   stations    also   broadcast   information    that   is                                                               
predominately  slanted  in another  way.    He offered  that  the                                                               
packet includes pro and con  comments on the Fairness Doctrine so                                                               
the  committee members  will have  a  wide spectrum  of ideas  to                                                               
consider.    You  cannot  force  people  to  listen  to  specific                                                               
programs, he opined.  Thus, he  prefers to support the concept of                                                               
the marketplace ultimately deciding what programs are viable.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:20:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  inquired  as   to  whether  the  Fairness                                                               
Doctrine was repealed in 1987 and is not currently in effect.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE agreed that is correct.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  further  inquired  as to  the  effect  of                                                               
reinstating the Fairness Doctrine  on radio stations in Anchorage                                                               
and how it would affect political candidates.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE replied  that the  principle is  based on                                                               
the  premise  that  anyone  could  demand equal  time.    If  the                                                               
Fairness  Doctrine is  reinstated the  result would  be that  the                                                               
format of  programs such as  those on talk radio  would disappear                                                               
since  people  would  not  want  to  give  equal  time  to  their                                                               
opponents, he opined.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE, in  response  to Representative  LeDoux,                                                               
explained  that the  time  must  be made  available  as a  public                                                               
service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  further inquired if the  opponent would be                                                               
required to pay for the equal time.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE answered  that  the equal  time would  be                                                               
provided  as a  public  service.   He  offered  that lifting  the                                                               
Fairness  Doctrine by  President Reagan's  administration removed                                                               
an artificial  barrier which allowed  talk radio to blossom.   He                                                               
explained that programs such as  the Rush Limbaugh Show and other                                                               
hosted talk  radio programs did  not exist  prior to the  lift of                                                               
the Fairness  Doctrine, since stations  were required  to provide                                                               
free air  time for responses  to any controversial  opinions that                                                               
were broadcast.  Talk radio  programs cropped up because stations                                                               
could broadcast  editorial commentary  without having  to present                                                               
opposing views,  he opined.   Therefore,  while talk  radio shows                                                               
were  not prohibited,  these programs  didn't happen  due to  the                                                               
natural restrictions in the marketplace.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:24:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN pointed  out  that broadcasting  companies                                                               
are for-profit businesses.   He inquired as to  whether the state                                                               
or  any government  has  the right  to  restrict free  enterprise                                                               
businesses on news media they can broadcast.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE explained that  is exactly his premise for                                                               
introducing  HJR 32.   He  noted that  he has  heard most  of the                                                               
committee members on  talk radio since Alaska  radio stations are                                                               
open,  accessible,  and air  competing  ideas.   Further,  Alaska                                                               
radio stations want to keep  their listeners, so stations tend to                                                               
internally balance views, he opined.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:26:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO  surmised  that perhaps  entities  such  as                                                               
universities,  newspapers,   and  art  museums  should   also  be                                                               
required to divide  evenly between viewpoints.   If government is                                                               
going  to  control society,  perhaps  it  should control  all  of                                                               
society, or else none at all.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:27:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE, in  response  to Representative  LeDoux,                                                               
replied  regulations govern  what can  be broadcast  on airwaves.                                                               
This resolution  is limited to  open and free access  of airwaves                                                               
and  does  not  address  program  content  or  any  laws  against                                                               
pornography.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:31:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON,  after first  determining  no  one else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HJR 32.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:31:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  moved to  report HJR  32 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH objected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:31:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.    Representatives Gatto,  LeDoux,                                                               
Ramras, Gardner, Neuman,  and Olson voted in favor  of moving HJR
32  from  committee.    Representative  Buch  voted  against  it.                                                               
Therefore,  HJR  32 was  reported  out  of  the House  Labor  and                                                               
Commerce Standing Committee by a vote of 6-1.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                

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