Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 120

04/12/2007 03:00 PM House OIL & GAS


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03:15:39 PM Start
03:15:54 PM Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
03:31:02 PM HJR13
04:09:06 PM HB183
04:51:08 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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*+ HB 183 OIL & GAS CONSERVATION COMMISSION TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 183(O&G) Out of Committee
*+ HJR 13 NATURAL GAS FOR STATE RESIDENTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Confirmation Hearing: TELECONFERENCED
Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HJR 13-NATURAL GAS FOR STATE RESIDENTS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:31:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERTA GARDNER,  Alaska State Legislature, sponsor,                                                               
explained that  HJR 13  is designed to  ensure that  any decision                                                               
regarding  the  exportation  of  Cook  Inlet  gas  is  made  with                                                               
appropriate consideration  of the all  interests.  She  said that                                                               
the  state has  an  interest  in its  citizen's  welfare, in  the                                                               
development of natural resources,  in economic development and in                                                               
revenue.   Representative  Gardner pointed  out that  since 2002,                                                               
gas prices in  Southcentral Alaska have increased  by 97 percent.                                                               
Citizens, especially  those on fixed  incomes, are  struggling to                                                               
pay heating and  fuel bills.  ENSTAR Natural  Gas Company reports                                                               
that  the problem  is increasing  costs due  to the  depletion of                                                               
known reserves.  Alaska's isolation  creates an effective natural                                                               
gas  monopoly  although  there are  three  major  oil  companies,                                                               
ConocoPhillips  Alaska,  Inc.,   Marathon  Oil  Corporation,  and                                                               
Chevron Oil  Company, operating  in the region.   There  are also                                                               
problems with deliverability issues;  storage problems and a wide                                                               
variation  in   supply  and   demand.     Representative  Gardner                                                               
emphasized that the  supply of natural gas in this  region is not                                                               
by a  free market system;  in fact, regulation by  the Regulatory                                                               
Commission of Alaska (RCA) is required.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  further  explained  that  ConocoPhillips                                                               
Alaska,  Inc.  and Marathon  Oil  Company,  owners of  the  Kenai                                                               
Liquefied  Natural  Gas  plant,   have  applied  for  a  two-year                                                               
extension of their  license to export natural gas to  Japan.  The                                                               
extension request  states that there  are sufficient  reserves to                                                               
support local  and export needs.   However, local  utilities have                                                               
unmet gas  needs.   She said that  Alaska consumers  realize that                                                               
gas  is sold  on  the world  market and  high  export prices  and                                                               
profits  will support  the facility  and its  employees, but  the                                                               
possibility of exporting one-third  of Alaska's natural gas needs                                                               
to be  considered by a  "holistic" view.   Representative Gardner                                                               
informed the  committee that  since HJR 13  was filed,  the state                                                               
has opposed the  extension of the export  license, unless certain                                                               
conditions are  met.   Those conditions are:   local  utility gas                                                               
needs are guaranteed for two  years, maintenance of an eight year                                                               
reserve ratio, and open access to  the natural gas plant by third                                                               
party buyers.   In spite  of the state's intervention,  she urged                                                               
the  committee  to adopt  HJR  13  to  assure citizens  that  the                                                               
legislature approves  of the state's  policy to protect  the best                                                               
interests of all of Alaska.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:36:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OLSON  observed  that  the U.  S.  Department  of                                                               
Energy,  Office  of Fossil  Energy,  deadline  for testimony  has                                                               
passed and the resolution will have no effect on its decision.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:37:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOHRING  asked  for justification  to  continue  with  the                                                               
resolution.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:37:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  responded that  HJR 13 also  requests the                                                               
RCA to  expedite any review  of utility contracts  and encourages                                                               
natural  gas producers  in the  Cook  Inlet region  to ensure  an                                                               
adequate  and  affordable long-term  supply  of  natural gas  for                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:38:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  asked why  the  resolution  calls on  the                                                               
attorney general to evaluate the extension request application.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:38:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER answered  that the  attorney general  can                                                               
represent  the  interests of  all  Alaskans  regarding a  federal                                                               
application extension request.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:38:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN further asked  whether the attorney general                                                               
is the appropriate arm of the state government to intervene.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER said yes.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING  referred to  HJR 13,  page 2,  line 12,  and asked                                                               
what measures the state will  take to "ensure the availability of                                                               
affordable natural gas".                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:39:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  responded that it would  be irresponsible                                                               
of the  state to contemplate  exporting one-third of  the natural                                                               
gas  reserves if  Alaskans do  not have  access to  fuel to  heat                                                               
their homes.   She noted that  a careful decision should  be made                                                               
considering the profitability  of the plant and  the local access                                                               
to gas issue.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:40:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING assumed that the  facts presented in the resolution                                                               
have come from reliable sources.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  assured the committee that  the facts are                                                               
reliable.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:41:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OLSON  observed that  the  contract  has been  in                                                               
place for forty years and  that previous extensions have been for                                                               
periods of six to nine years.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:41:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN K. NORMAN,  Chair, Alaska Oil &  Gas Conservation Commission                                                               
(AOGCC),  Department  of   Administration,  confirmed  that  this                                                               
extension request is for a period of two years.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:41:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOHRING questioned  whether the  sponsors of  the                                                               
resolution had  considered approaching  the industry  for support                                                               
for individuals who  are impacted by high natural  gas prices for                                                               
home heating fuel.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:42:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  replied that  she had  not.   She pointed                                                               
out  that  Alaska  is  a  northern  state,  but  also  an  energy                                                               
producing state.  When contacted  by constituents about high home                                                               
heating  costs,   her  legislative  office  will   often  suggest                                                               
programs to assist home owners with conserving energy.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOHRING  said  that  he was  not  enthusiastic  about  the                                                               
resolution.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:43:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  replied   that,  although  the  attorney                                                               
general is  acting on this  issue, she  said that she  decided to                                                               
pursue the  passage of  HJR 13  to demonstrate  the legislature's                                                               
support.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:44:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON  requested that ConocoPhillips  Alaska, Inc.                                                               
and Marathon  Oil Corporation have  an opportunity to  respond to                                                               
the legislation before moving HJR 13 out of committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:45:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  said that he  also wants to hear  from the                                                               
industry,  due to  the precedent  the  legislature may  set.   He                                                               
noted  that he  agreed with  the concept  and that  Fairbanks has                                                               
also seen increases  in the cost of natural  gas.  Representative                                                               
Ramras expressed his concern that  passage of the resolution will                                                               
render Cook Inlet gas less valuable.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:46:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER reiterated  that natural  gas exportation                                                               
should not be banned; however,  all impacts of the export license                                                               
extension should be considered.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:47:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON  expressed his  concern that  the resolution                                                               
may  send  mixed  signals  to  the  industry.    This  resolution                                                               
potentially nationalizes a production  facility in the Cook Inlet                                                               
at the same time the state  is debating passage of the Alaska Gas                                                               
Inducement Act (AGIA).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:48:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  informed the committee that  the sponsors                                                               
spoke with the industry prior to filing HJR 13.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:48:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIE  DARLIN, volunteer  coordinator for  the Capital  City Task                                                               
Force  of the  American  Association of  Retired Persons  (AARP),                                                               
expressed  her organization's  support for  the resolution.   She                                                               
said that  AARP's hope is  that this resolution will  afford some                                                               
stabilization  of utility  costs for  members who  want to  spend                                                               
their retirement in Alaska on a limited income.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:50:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS expressed  his belief that the  days of low                                                               
gas prices  are over.   He explained  that Alaska gas  prices are                                                               
now  tied to  the  Henry  Hub Natural  Gas  Index and  prevailing                                                               
national  gas prices.   Representative  Ramras  pointed out  that                                                               
Fairbanks has  a refinery 12 miles  away and should have  low gas                                                               
available; however,  Alaska royalty  oil is  priced on  the world                                                               
market.  Representative Ramras opined  that even North Slope gas,                                                               
when it becomes  available, will be more  expensive for Anchorage                                                               
consumers due to transportation costs.   When gas prices are low,                                                               
the  cost   of  transportation   makes  the  production   of  gas                                                               
uneconomic.   Even  gas priced  at $7.95  must be  discounted for                                                               
transportation.    In Fairbanks,  he  added,  utilities buy  gas,                                                               
liquefy it, transport  it, and regassify it, resulting  in a cost                                                               
of over  $20.  He concluded  that, as contracts have  expired and                                                               
markets for  higher priced gas  are available, higher  gas prices                                                               
are to be expected for everyone.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:57:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DARLIN expressed  her understanding  of  the situation,  and                                                               
repeated  that  any  assistance  in  the  cost  of  utilities  is                                                               
appreciated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:57:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OLSON  shared  his  concerns about  the  cost  of                                                               
gasoline in  his district,  where 80 percent  of the  gasoline in                                                               
the state  is produced.   He informed  the committee  that Tesoro                                                               
Alaska Petroleum Co. provided  pricing information that indicated                                                               
that a percentage of its gas  is purchased on the spot market and                                                               
imported,  and a  percentage is  local or  from the  North Slope.                                                               
Representative Olson stated that  gasoline refined in Soldotna is                                                               
25 cents per gallon less to buy in Anchorage, than in Soldotna.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:59:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DARLIN  added that Southeast  pays the highest prices  due to                                                               
the cost of transportation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:00:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  BANKS, Acting  Director, Central  Office, Division  of Oil                                                               
and Gas,  Department of Natural  Resources, expressed  his belief                                                               
that HJR  13 will demonstrate the  efforts of the state  to serve                                                               
the  residents of  Southcentral Alaska.   He  indicated that  the                                                               
administration   supports  the   conditioned   approval  of   the                                                               
extension for the liquefied natural  gas (LNG) plant and that the                                                               
plant itself  is central  to the market  dynamics in  the region.                                                               
Mr. Banks stated  that the committee has an  understanding of the                                                               
reasons behind  the increase in prices  and his hope is  that the                                                               
exhaustion  of  the   Cook  Inlet  supply  of   natural  gas  and                                                               
subsequent   importation   of   gas  will   be   forestalled   by                                                               
construction of a gas pipeline from the North Slope.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:04:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  expressed   his  understanding  that  the                                                               
consumer  demand  for Cook  Inlet  gas  is insufficient  to  make                                                               
exploration  worthwhile, unless  influenced  by  demand from  the                                                               
Agrium plant.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:05:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS explained that the  domestic demand for gas for heating                                                               
and electricity  is about 50  billion cubic feet (Bcf)  per year.                                                               
The  LNG plant  requires 60  to 70  Bcf per  year and  Agrium, at                                                               
capacity,  could require  50  to  55 Bcf  per  year.   The  large                                                               
consumers will draw  gas supplies all year around.   He continued                                                               
to explain that  Cook Inlet gas field prospects vary  in size and                                                               
a  lower demand  will mean  that  smaller prospects  will not  be                                                               
developed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:07:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING announced his intention  to hold the resolution for                                                               
additional testimony.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:08:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER said  there are amendments to  HJR 13 that                                                               
will  conform to  the senate  companion  bill, and  that will  be                                                               
offered at the next meeting.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:08:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING  announced that HJR  13 was held in  committee with                                                               
public testimony closed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:08:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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