Legislature(2011 - 2012)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
03/14/2012 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION
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HCR 18-COMMERCIAL FISHERIES PROGRAMS 8:37:54 AM CO-CHAIR THOMAS announced the consideration of HCR 18 [CSHCR 18(FSH)am was before the committee]. 8:38:15 AM TIMOTHY CLARK, Staff for Representative Bryce Edgmon, said HCR 18 was a resolution about Alaska businesses and Alaska jobs that supports the ambitions of young Alaskan fishery entrepreneurs. He said the commercial fishing industry is among the state's largest employers and there is plenty of potential for more Alaskans to take part in it at the most rewarding levels. In recent decades, the mean age of commercial fishing entry permit owners has increased from just more than 40 years to nearly 50 years of age. This "greying of the fleet" is happening in part because it's gotten a lot harder for younger Alaskans to acquire fish harvesting operations. 8:39:33 AM MR. CLARK said these days, young people face much higher hurdles when it comes to financing, and the cost of entry into commercial fisheries on a diversified level sufficient to provide a satisfactory income for a skipper and crew is often more than $350,000. With the increase of limited entry and rationalized fisheries in recent decades, running a successful fishing operation requires sharp business management skills, financial literacy, and the savvy to navigate complex state and federal regulatory systems. 8:40:43 AM MR. CLARK said HCR 18 calls on the legislature to become involved with a University of Alaska undertaking to create ways to better prepare young Alaskans for these challenges. The University of Alaska Fisheries, Seafood and Maritime initiative began last June when UA president, Patrick Gamble, appointed an 18 member working group (Allied Fisheries) to assess and enhance the development and delivery of programs, courses, research and information that meet the employment needs of the fishery, seafood and maritime industries. The goals of this initiative also include supporting Alaskans, particularly young Alaskans, in discovering and preparing for the wide range of employment opportunities in the fishing, seafood and maritime industries. In recent months, the initiative has evolved to include the participation of the seafood industry, community development quota groups, and the Rasmussen Foundation, among others. It's now time for the legislature to take part. HCR 18 calls for the Senate President and the House Speaker each to appoint one member from their respective bodies to act as liaisons to the University's initiative and report to the legislature on the initiative's progress. By the end of January next year, these legislators will make recommendations on ways the legislature can contribute to any action plan developed through the initiative. He said support for HCR 18 is about enabling more of our young fishers to step from the deck into the wheelhouse and about helping more Alaskans into solid, skilled careers in several of our most important industries. 8:41:55 AM SENATOR STEVENS asked if migration of fleet ownership to outside of Alaska is one of the big issues in young people having access to the industry. MR. CLARK answered that part of the migration of entry permits does include fishermen who began as resident Alaskans and after enjoying a certain degree of success decided to leave the state, but still continue to fish here. 8:44:03 AM SENATOR STEVENS commented that staying in Alaska is not a punishment and it is a shame when the wealth leaves the state. It is important to help Alaskans stay in the state. MR. CLARK said the permit holders are businessmen and business leaders in their communities and contribute to them. 8:45:31 AM CO-CHAIR MEYER, referring to back material, said it looks like the Upper Yukon gillnet fleet is almost 60 years old and asked the difference between gear types. MR. CLARK answered that in some regions a certain gear type will be more profitable and therefore the entry permit is more expensive than another gear type. There are certain inconsistencies, because in some regions the maritime geography can provide an advantage to a seiner over a gill netter. Essentially, he explained, in a drift gill net fishery, someone will set a monofilament net from the stern of the boat, drift with it for a period of time and distance; fish will become entangled in it and they will real it back onto the boat picking the fish out as they go. A seine operation is more elaborate and requires two boats: the mother ship and a powerful skiff that tows the other end of the seine net. Essentially you are intercepting fish, closing the ends of the net into a purse and then stacking it gradually on the deck until you end up with fish. 8:48:34 AM CO-CHAIR MEYER asked if seining costs more than gill netting for a new young person to get into. MR. CLARK answered that Permits are valued differently in different regions. For example, in area M, on the Alaska Peninsula, the seine permits are valued less than the drift gill net permits, he conjectured mainly because the features of the region lend overall greater opportunities to drift gill net fishers, especially on the north peninsula where there are few capes and few geographical features reaching into the sea that a seiner could hook off of in terms of predicting where fish would make a turn. Whereas a drift gill net fisherman can simply hug the beach, just nose his boat right onto the sand, drop his net and intercept fish that are swimming in very shallow water. 8:50:11 AM CO-CHAIR MEYER asked if families pass these permits onto their siblings. MR. CLARK answered that a great number of permit transfers take place family member to family member, sometimes with money being part of the transaction. But those are only a fraction of the transfers. He added that other situations, like the return of certain salmon stocks in the Yukon region, can also play a part in the ages related to permit transfers. 8:51:45 AM SENATOR STEVENS asked if this resolution really addresses the problem of young people in Alaska becoming owners in the fishing industry. What they really need is financial assistance if it costs $350,000 to get in. MR. CLARK answered that the original version of this resolution was more ambitious and covered financing issues. The University's initiative that has a great deal of alignment with the education and training side of the original resolution's goals came into being just after this resolution was introduced last spring. The financing side of it rests more squarely with the Alaska State government both in terms of existing programs, most particularly the Commercial Fishing Revolving Loan Fund, which provides loans to Alaska residents, only, for a variety of fisheries related expenditures and improvement to those loan programs. Because they exist in statute, they are more or less the responsibility of the legislature. MR. CLARK said the better the education younger fishermen using those existing programs have the more it will help them navigate what is available to them both from the Commercial Fishing and Agriculture Bank and through state loan programs. The fishing industry, unlike some other industries in the state, have a very well-functioning naturally occurring apprenticeship program in that almost any able bodied man or woman can pound the docks in any sizeable port and talk their way onto a boat and be taught how to do the work. 8:55:54 AM FRED VILLA, Associate Vice President, Workforce Programs, University of Alaska Fairbanks, stated support for HCR 18. He said the two goals of the UA's initiative are to support and enhance the economy and the communities of Alaska by developing education and training programs that support a responsive workforce enabling the fishing, seafood and maritime industries to stay vibrant and be substantial contributors to the state, as well as to support those Alaskans, particularly the young ones, in preparing for the wide range of employment opportunities in the fishing, seafood and maritime industries. 8:58:48 AM MR. VILLA identified five clear areas the initiative targets for success: one is to allow Alaskans to have access to comprehensive training and education programs that enable them to meet the workforce needs and take advantage of the career opportunities. Secondly, to provide a coordinated approach among all levels of training and education in the State of Alaska from high schools through the university campuses and the regional training centers including AVTEC. 9:00:23 AM MR. VILLA said they had identified five steps to meet their goal. On March 5 they assembled nearly 70 high stakes industry employers and leaders to work together to establish a mutual understanding of the benefits and value of industry and educational partnerships to meet their business needs and goals. They want to share a common language across different industry sectors and within individual industry sectors as a way to identify their highest priorities and to reach an understanding of why an industry and occupational gap analysis is needed to develop a workforce development plan and they wanted to identify key groups and individuals to support the initiative. To accomplish this whole initiative, they are considering that the initial group of 70 and those that will participate further down will be an advisory committee for the university and the state. He said they are conducting a training and educational inventory of the University and regional training centers' current programs while concurrently developing an occupational inventory, which would help them create a gap analysis showing the gaps between what the industry needs and existing education and training programs. The gap analysis will help them develop and implement a workforce development training plan in Alaska. They are in the final stages of reviewing a comprehensive survey using Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DOLWD) research and analysis data from individual employers throughout the state on what the occupations are and what training is available for them, so they can see where the gaps are. The survey will be on line. Then they will ask the employers what their highest priorities are and try to address those needs working with the University system and regional training centers. 9:03:35 AM JERRY MCCUNE, Lobbyist, United Fisherman of Alaska, Juneau, supported the approach in HCR 18. He said the Allied Fisheries is moving on the seafood employment part of it mostly, but other things in the resolution will be helpful to young men and women fishermen. He related that Alaska Sea Grant put on a Young Fishermen's Summit and six young men and women from Cordova took part in it. They learned how to write a business plan and how to pay the money back - all very important because it costs so much to get into a fishery now. In Cordova, for instance, it costs $600,000 to $800,000 for a seine operation and an average of $250,000 to $300,000 for a gill net permit. You've got to have a plan nowadays he said. The people who took part in this program thought it was very useful and Mr. McCune thought it should be expanded. He explained that two years of experience are needed in order to get a Division of Investment or CFAB loan; the safety and navigation classes are very useful, too. He added that set net fisheries are almost 100 percent residents and don't have a high turnover. That is why the people are older; they take their kids out and teach them how to fish - especially in the Yukon. It's not worth it for someone to go up there and fish, but it works for the residents. 9:05:58 AM MR. MCCUNE said he thought 76 percent to 79 percent of permits are held by Alaskan residents. All these programs are very important. He was impressed that most of the young folks here had already gone to college and had a degree in order to get into fishing. So, they have a backup plan, which is very good. 9:06:41 AM CO-CHAIR MEYER commented that it seems like a lot of people working in the factories or processing plants come not so much from other states, but other countries, and he wanted to know how more of our young kids could be attracted to "work the slime line." 9:07:17 AM MR. MCCUNE answered that back in the 50s, all the workers were from Alaskan communities, but the fisheries are a bigger industry now and a bigger work force is needed. The processors recruit in Anchorage and everywhere they can, but a lot of the jobs are remote and long hours. So 30 percent of the workforce is students from Russian and other places with J1 permits, which Congress might do away with. Then we would be in big trouble. Frankly, he said, a lot of local people don't want those jobs anymore and that most of the young kids in Kodiak and Cordova go fishing with their families. 9:09:15 AM SENATOR STEVENS said it was interesting to hear that students have gotten degrees and then decide to move into the fisheries. More commonly, you worked for your father. It seems like the big problem is people getting into the industry and needing some educational help in finance, economics and how to apply for a loan. Many of the students they are talking about at the University will be adults who are already in the industry and need help moving up in it. MR. MCCUNE agreed and added that the young folks attending the Summit told him that they really needed the classes on finances and business. The seasons are up and down. CO-CHAIR MEYER asked what the seasons are. MR. MCCUNE explained that Sitka herring starts soon and then halibut would open on April 19. The trollers fish Kings early, but the first major red run would be May 15 in the Copper River; most of the other runs all kick in in June. A lot of Southeast fisheries wind up with silvers as late as mid-September. You can fish May 15 to September 15 in Prince William Sound. In Bristol Bay, you fish for three weeks. 9:12:36 AM SENATOR FRENCH moved to report CSHCR 18(FSH)AM from committee with individual recommendations and attached zero fiscal note. CO-CHAIR MEYER announced that without objection, CSHCR 18(FSH) am moved from the Senate Education Standing Committee.
Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
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SB0197A.PDF |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
SB 197 |
CS SB 197.pdf |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
SB 197 |
SB 197 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
SB 197 |
SB197-EED-TLS-2-29-12.pdf |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
SB 197 |
Taking Stock.pdf |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
SB 197 |
HCR018A.PDF |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
HCR 18 |
HCR018B.PDF |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
HCR 18 |
HCR018C.PDF |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
HCR 18 |
HCR018-1-2-021512-FSH-N.PDF |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
HCR 18 |
CSSB 197.pdf |
SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM |
SB 197 |