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03/26/2024 01:30 PM Senate COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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01:47:00 PM Start
01:47:28 PM HCR8
02:18:45 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HCR 8 HONORING VIETNAM WAR VETERANS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
              HCR  8-HONORING VIETNAM WAR VETERANS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:47:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR announced  the  consideration  of HOUSE  CONCURRENT                                                               
RESOLUTION  NO.  8  Honoring   United  States  military  veterans                                                               
exposed to  Agent Orange during  the Vietnam War;  and expressing                                                               
gratitude for  the courageous  service of  those veterans  to the                                                               
United States.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
This is  the first hearing of  HCR 8 in the  Senate Community and                                                               
Regional Affairs Committee. The intention  is to hear invited and                                                               
public  testimony  and  hold  the  resolution  in  committee  for                                                               
further consideration.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:47:59 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   LADDIE   SHAW,    District   9,   Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska,  sponsor of HCR 8 stated  that he is                                                               
not  a recipient  of a  Purple Heart  nor personally  affected by                                                               
Agent Orange  but served with  those who were. He  emphasized the                                                               
tragedy caused  by Agent  Orange, which  affected over  2 million                                                               
Vietnam veterans. He  served in South Vietnam  in 1970-71, during                                                               
the peak  use of  Agent Orange, which  was deployed  to defoliate                                                               
jungles,  poison rivers,  and  destroy  crops, causing  long-term                                                               
harm to veterans  and the environment. He  estimated that 300,000                                                               
veterans of his generation have died from Agent Orange exposure.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:49:20 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SHAW   explained  that  Vietnam   veterans  never                                                               
received formal recognition for the  harm caused by Agent Orange.                                                               
He compared the $180 million  settlement for 2.5 million veterans                                                               
impacted  by  Agent Orange  to  the  $10 billion  settlement  for                                                               
125,000  Roundup  victims,  despite  the similarity  of  the  two                                                               
chemicals as  herbicides. He recounted  a 2005 visit  to Vietnam,                                                               
where  he  observed  ongoing   physical,  emotional,  and  mental                                                               
effects from  Agent Orange  at Friendship  Village, a  clinic for                                                               
North Vietnamese veterans. He described the experience as heart-                                                                
wrenching, noting  that birth defects, cancer,  and environmental                                                               
destruction  persist 35  years later.  He expressed  gratitude to                                                               
Senators  Dunbar and  Bjorkman for  co-sponsoring the  resolution                                                               
and urged  for recognition  of the  suffering endured  by Vietnam                                                               
veterans and their families.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:52:23 PM                                                                                                                    
BUDDY  WHITT, Staff,  Representative  Laddie  Shaw, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,   Juneau,  Alaska,   provided   background  on   the                                                               
introduction  of  HCR  8  noting  that  the  Orange  Heart  Medal                                                               
Foundation,  a nonprofit  advocating for  recognition of  Vietnam                                                               
veterans  affected  by  Agent Orange,  approached  Representative                                                               
Shaw's  office. He  confirmed the  legitimacy of  the foundation,                                                               
highlighting  that it  operates with  volunteer support,  minimal                                                               
cash  carryover,  and no  paid  employees,  consisting mostly  of                                                               
veterans, spouses,  and family members  impacted by  Agent Orange                                                               
exposure.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:53:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WHITT outlined  the  key points  of HCR  9,  which seeks  to                                                               
formally recognize Vietnam veterans  exposed to Agent Orange. The                                                               
resolution  acknowledges their  service,  the  widespread use  of                                                               
Agent Orange, and the exposure  of approximately 2.6 million U.S.                                                               
soldiers. It  highlights the known  health impacts  recognized by                                                               
the  Department of  Veterans  Affairs (VA)  and  the Centers  for                                                               
Disease Control  and Prevention (CDC)  and addresses  the ongoing                                                               
lack  of  formal recognition  from  the  federal government.  The                                                               
resolution  expresses gratitude  for veterans'  sacrifices, calls                                                               
for  continued  recognition  of their  heroism,  and  commits  to                                                               
ensuring  future  generations  remember the  historic  impact  of                                                               
Agent  Orange   exposure.  He  affirmed  that   all  figures  and                                                               
references in  the resolution were  verified and offered  to take                                                               
questions  or defer  to Ms.  Spence from  the Orange  Heart Medal                                                               
Foundation for additional context.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:55:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL asked if HCR 8  specifies a recipient to whom the                                                               
resolution will be sent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT explained  that HCR 8 is a  state resolution reflecting                                                               
the will of the legislature and  does not get sent to Washington,                                                               
D.C., or the federal government.  Once signed by the governor, it                                                               
serves  as  a  statewide  recognition.  The  resolution  aims  to                                                               
support  the Orange  Heart Medal  Foundation in  reaching out  to                                                               
veterans   and  their   families   to  inform   them  about   the                                                               
availability of the Orange Heart  Medal, while also affirming the                                                               
legislature's recognition  of Vietnam veterans affected  by Agent                                                               
Orange.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL asked if the Orange  Heart Medal Foundation would                                                               
receive the resolution.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT  replied that the  foundation would receive a  copy. He                                                               
said Alaska would be the ninth state to pass the resolution.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:57:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR announced invited testimony on HCR 8.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:57:59 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:06:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR reconvened the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:06:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  invited Ms. Spence  to put  her name on  the record                                                               
and begin her testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:07:03 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBIN SPENCE,  Representative, North Carolina Orange  Heart Medal                                                               
Foundation, Hookerton, North Carolina,  gave invited testimony in                                                               
support of HCR  8. She thanked the committee  for the opportunity                                                               
to  speak on  behalf of  the Orange  Heart Medal  Foundation. She                                                               
explained that  the foundation  was established  in 2018  by Navy                                                               
Vietnam  veteran  Ken  Gamble,  who was  inspired  to  act  after                                                               
witnessing a  fellow veteran  suffering alone  in a  VA facility.                                                               
Frustrated by  the lack  of support,  Gamble designed  the Orange                                                               
Heart  Medal using  the specifications  of the  Purple Heart,  to                                                               
recognize  Vietnam veterans  exposed to  Agent Orange.  He viewed                                                               
these veterans  as combat-wounded  due to  their exposure  to the                                                               
toxic chemical and the resulting health effects.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:10:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SPENCE  recounted how Mr.  Gamble sought  federal recognition                                                               
for the  medal by addressing  100 U.S. senators, but  his efforts                                                               
were  rejected. Undeterred,  he returned  to Tennessee,  where he                                                               
and   State  Representative   Sabi   Kumar  drafted   legislation                                                               
recognizing Vietnam  veterans exposed to Agent  Orange as combat-                                                               
wounded.  Tennessee  became  the  first state  to  recognize  the                                                               
Orange Heart  Medal in 2019.  Since then, 11 states  have adopted                                                               
similar legislation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SPENCE, a  surviving spouse  of a  Vietnam veteran  who died                                                               
from  Agent  Orange-related  illness   in  2018,  emphasized  the                                                               
emotional toll on widows and  families as they watched loved ones                                                               
suffer without  recognition. She  explained that many  feel their                                                               
loved one was forgotten.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SPENCE stated  that the  mission of  the Orange  Heart Medal                                                               
Foundation is  to ensure  no veteran  or family  feels forgotten.                                                               
She emphasized the generational  impact of Agent Orange exposure,                                                               
noting that  research from  Vanderbilt University  indicates that                                                               
altered DNA from exposure can  affect up to the fourth generation                                                               
in male  veterans and  the fifth  generation in  female veterans.                                                               
She highlighted the seriousness of  this issue and the importance                                                               
of  proper  recognition  for future  generations.  She  said  the                                                               
foundation  will  work  tirelessly   and  efficiently  to  ensure                                                               
Vietnam veterans are represented and urged Alaska to pass HCR 8.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:14:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR opened  public testimony on HCR 8;  finding none, he                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNBAR noted  that both Mr. Whitt and  Ms. Spence mentioned                                                               
recognizing or  legitimizing the Orange Heart  Medal but observed                                                               
that this  language does not  appear in the resolution.  He asked                                                               
if formal recognition of the  medal is included in the resolution                                                               
or if it is intended to be addressed at a later date.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:15:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT stated that the Orange  Heart Medal is not mentioned in                                                               
HCR  8, which  is consistent  with most  states that  have passed                                                               
resolutions.  He   explained  that   the  decision  to   draft  a                                                               
resolution  instead   of  a  bill   recognizing  the   medal  was                                                               
intentional, as  a bill could  trigger longer discussions  on the                                                               
federal  level,   potential  fiscal  impacts,   and  codification                                                               
requirements.  The preferred  approach of  both the  bill sponsor                                                               
and the foundation is to use  a resolution. He noted that efforts                                                               
are  ongoing  at  the  federal   level,  and  the  hope  is  that                                                               
widespread  support from  multiple  states  could prompt  federal                                                               
action. The  current goal is  to pass the resolution  to formally                                                               
recognize  Vietnam   veterans  exposed  to  Agent   Orange  as  a                                                               
baseline, with  the possibility of pursuing  further developments                                                               
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:16:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL stated that the  117th Congress (2021 - 2022) did                                                               
not pass House Resolution 4982 (Agent Orange Service Medal Act).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT replied  that is  correct  and there  is no  federally                                                               
recognized metal for those exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:18:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR held HCR 8 in committee.                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HCR 8 Fiscal Note.pdf SCRA 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HCR 8
HCR 8 Version B.pdf SCRA 3/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
HCR 8