Legislature(1993 - 1994)
03/27/1993 08:00 AM House STA
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HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE
March 27, 1993
8:00 a.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Al Vezey, Chairman
Representative Pete Kott, Vice Chairman
Representative Harley Olberg
Representative Jerry Sanders
Representative Gary Davis
Representative Fran Ulmer
Representative Bettye Davis
MEMBERS ABSENT
None
OTHER HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Gene Therriault
Representative Jim Nordlund
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
HB 148 "An Act exempting the University of Alaska from
the administrative adjudication provisions of the
Administrative Procedure Act; and providing for an
effective date."
MOVED FROM COMMITTEE WITH A DO PASS RECOMMENDATION
HB 228 "An Act relating to publications produced by state
agencies and to the procurement of property,
property interests, and services, including the
services of employees, by certain public
entities."
HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION
SB 49 "An Act relating to preelection reports; closing
the two-day reporting gap in those reports;
setting the date of February 15 for filing year-
end campaign finance reports; and requiring
reporting of zero year-end reports."
HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION
HCR 8 Proposing amendments to the Uniform Rules of the
Alaska State Legislature relating to notice of
committee meetings and action by committees; and
providing for an effective date.
HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION
CONFIRMATION HEARING:
Promotion of Colonel Sigurd E. Murphy to Brigadier
General; and to Assistant Adjutant General, Alaska
National Guard.
UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED FOR CONFIRMATION
WITNESS REGISTER
Tim Sullivan, Legislative Aide
to Senator Tim Kelly
State Capitol, Room 101
Juneau, Alaska 99801
465-3822
Position Statement: Delivered Sponsor Statement, SB 49
Colonel Sigurd E. Murphy
Alaska District Court
941 W. 4th Avenue
Anchorage, Alaska 99501
277-8622
Position Statement: Testified on nomination
Brooke Miles
Alaska Public Offices Commission
211 4th Street, Room 114
Juneau, Alaska 99811-0222
465-4864
Position Statement: Provided information on SB 49
Wendy Redman, Vice President
for University Relations
University of Alaska
910 Yukon Drive
Fairbanks, Alaska 99775-5560
474-7582
Position Statement: Supported HB 148
Lois Foster
738 Forest Park Drive
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
225-2829
Position Statement: Opposed HB 148
Art Bukowski
10075 Grover Drive
Anchorage, Alaska 99516
346-2505
Position Statement: Opposed HB 148
Lawrence Weiss
5862 Kenny Hill Drive
Anchorage, Alaska 99504
786-4671
Position Statement: Opposed HB 148
Representative Gene Therriault
State Capitol, Room 421
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182
465-4797
Position Statement: Prime Sponsor, HB 148
Peggy Thomas
9701 Brian Drive
Anchorage, Alaska 99516
346-3416
Position Statement: Supported HB 228
Dave Choquette
3540 Amber Bay Loop
Anchorage, Alaska 99515
344-8485
Position Statement: Supported HB 228
Dave Harding, Legislative Aide
to Representative Eileen MacLean
State Capitol, Room 506
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182
465-4833
Position Statement: Supported HB 228
Dugan Petty, Director
General Services
Department of Administration
State Office Building
P.O. Box C
Juneau, Alaska 99801
465-2250
Position Statement: Suggested changes to HB 228
Representative Jim Nordlund
State Capitol
Court Building, Room 608
Juneau, Alaska 99801
465-4968
Position Statement: Prime Sponsor, HCR 8
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: HB 148
SHORT TITLE: EXEMPT U OF AK FROM APA PROCEDURES
BILL VERSION:
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) THERRIAULT,Davies
TITLE: "An Act exempting the University of Alaska from the
administrative adjudication provisions of the Administrative
Procedure Act; and providing for an effective date."
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
02/11/93 322 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
02/11/93 322 (H) STATE AFFAIRS, HES, JUDICIARY
03/20/93 (H) STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102
03/20/93 (H) MINUTE(STA)
03/27/93 (H) STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102
BILL: HB 228
SHORT TITLE: STATE PROCUREMENTS
BILL VERSION:
SPONSOR(S): RULES BY REQUEST OF HOUSE ECONOMIC TASK FORCE
TITLE: "An Act relating to publications produced by state
agencies and to the procurement of property, property
interests, and services, including the services of
employees, by certain public entities."
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
03/15/93 648 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
03/15/93 648 (H) STATE AFFAIRS, FINANCE
03/20/93 (H) STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102
03/27/93 (H) STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102
BILL: SB 49
SHORT TITLE: YEAR-END CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS
BILL VERSION:
SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S) KELLY,Donley,Kerttula,Pearce,Taylor
TITLE: "An Act relating to preelection reports; closing the
two-day reporting gap in those reports; setting the date of
February 15 for filing year-end campaign finance reports;
and requiring reporting of zero year-end reports."
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/19/93 91 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
01/19/93 91 (S) STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,
FINANCE
01/29/93 (S) STA AT 09:00 AM BUTROVICH ROOM
205
01/29/93 (S) MINUTE(STA)
02/01/93 202 (S) STA RPT 2DP 1NR
02/01/93 202 (S) ZERO FISCAL NOTE (ADM)
02/17/93 (S) JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211
02/17/93 (S) MINUTE(JUD)
02/19/93 (S) JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211
02/19/93 (S) MINUTE(JUD)
02/22/93 (S) JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211
02/22/93 (S) MINUTE(JUD)
02/24/93 460 (S) JUD RPT 4DP 1NR
02/24/93 460 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (ADM)
03/01/93 538 (S) FIN RPT 4DP 1NR
03/01/93 538 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (ADM)
03/01/93 (S) FIN AT 09:00 AM SENATE FINANCE
518
03/04/93 (S) RLS AT 03:00 PM
03/04/93 (S) MINUTE(RLS)
03/12/93 768 (S) RULES TO CALENDAR 3/12/93
03/12/93 775 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME
03/12/93 775 (S) ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN
CONSENT
03/12/93 775 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME SB 49
03/12/93 775 (S) COSPONSOR(S): KERTTULA, PEARCE,
TAYLOR
03/12/93 775 (S) PASSED Y19 N- E1
03/12/93 786 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H)
03/15/93 642 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
03/15/93 643 (H) STATE AFFAIRS, FINANCE
03/27/93 (H) STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102
BILL: HCR 8
SHORT TITLE: COMMITTEE MEETINGS: NOTICE AND ACTIONS
BILL VERSION:
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) NORDLUND,Olberg,Navarre,
Ulmer,Sitton,B.Davis,Brown
TITLE: Proposing amendments to the Uniform Rules of the
Alaska State Legislature relating to notice of committee
meetings and action by committees; and providing for an
effective date.
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
02/19/93 390 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
02/19/93 390 (H) STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY
03/20/93 (H) STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102
03/20/93 (H) MINUTE(STA)
03/27/93 (H) STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 93-34, SIDE A
Number 004
CHAIRMAN AL VEZEY called the House State Affairs Committee
to order at 8:05 a.m., on March 27, 1993. Members present
were Representatives Kott, Olberg, G. Davis, Ulmer and
Sanders, representing a quorum. Also in attendance were
Representatives Gene Therriault and Jim Nordlund.
SB 49: YEAR-END CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS
Number 020
CHAIRMAN VEZEY announced he would hold the confirmation
hearing on Colonel Sigurd E. Murphy when Col. Murphy checked
into the teleconference network. He then read the title to
SB 49 and called for a sponsor statement on it.
Number 051
TIM SULLIVAN, LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO SENATOR TIM KELLY, PRIME
SPONSOR OF SB 49, explained how SB 49 makes several changes
in the current campaign reporting law, most notably closing
the two day gap between the seven day pre-election reporting
period and the 24 hour reports. Senate Bill 49 also changes
the deadline for year-end reports from December 31 of a
campaign year to February 15 of the following year. He
noted this would allow candidates, parties, and political
action committees to use December bank statements in their
reports. He also stated this could cut down on the number
of fines issued by the Alaska Public Offices Commission.
Number 098
REPRESENTATIVE FRAN ULMER noted SB 49 had already passed the
Senate.
Number 106
CHAIRMAN VEZEY noted Col. Murphy had joined the
teleconference net and suspended debate on SB 49. He then
called on Col. Murphy to give any statement he wished to
make.
Number 123
COLONEL SIGURD E. MURPHY, NOMINEE FOR ASSISTANT ADJUTANT
GENERAL, ALASKA NATIONAL GUARD testified by teleconference
from Anchorage, and told the committee his participation in
the Guard was an extension of the work he had previously
done. He noted his work with the needy in founding the
Brother Francis Shelter in Anchorage, and said the Guard's
mission of protecting the property and lives of Alaskans led
him to the service. He stated his Guard duty had led him to
almost every village and small town in the state, and he
would like to continue his work in ending alcohol and drug
use among Native youth as part of the Assistant Adjutant
General's office.
Number 201
CHAIRMAN VEZEY thanked Col. Murphy for his comments and
solicited questions from the committee. Seeing none, he
called a five minute at ease to allow General Mitch Aboud to
call into the teleconference net. He also noted the late
arrival of Representative Bettye Davis.
Number 259
CHAIRMAN VEZEY called the committee back to order at 8:19
a.m., explaining that the teleconference operator told him
General Aboud was having trouble making a connection.
Chairman Vezey then elected to return to testimony on SB 49.
CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked why the Campaign Disclosure Act had not
been amended in more than ten years.
Number 267
BROOKE MILES OF THE ALASKA PUBLIC OFFICES COMMISSION (APOC),
stated many legislators did not want to open the entire
statute up to amend such a small area, but the amendment was
needed.
Number 279
CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked what the motivation for such a narrowly
drawn bill as SB 49 would be.
Number 283
MS. MILES stated SB 49 is a non-controversial "housekeeping"
bill that would not fall under the label of campaign finance
reform. She stated the intent of SB 49 was simply to close
the two day window previously stated by the bill's sponsor,
Senator Kelly, and the other provision setting February 15
as the year end reporting day would eliminate several
needless actions by the APOC. She also stated the APOC
would be charged with mailing out delinquency forms to
groups who had not filed their reports in time.
Number 308
CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked if mailing those delinquency reports
would not have a fiscal impact on the APOC.
Number 320
MS. MILES stated it would cost staff time and money to send
the reports, but that figure would be mitigated by the
amount of time not spent on arbitrating fines that had been
appealed under the old system.
Number 328
CHAIRMAN VEZEY didn't know why a simple misdemeanor fine
wasn't applied to such violations. He stated it might be in
the legislature's interest to also tie campaign finance
violations to the dollar amounts in violation as opposed to
the time period, as is done now.
Number 360
REPRESENTATIVE ULMER perceived the chairman was concerned
with SB 49, and suggested a subcommittee might be formed to
look at SB 49 in more detail.
Number 367
CHAIRMAN VEZEY felt the statute being modified by SB 49, AS
15.13, is in need of repair. He stated SB 49 should be
considered a major bill, and asked committee members to take
a long look at it before it was scheduled again. He then
deferred action on SB 49.
HB 148: EXEMPT U OF AK FROM APA PROCEDURES
Number 390
CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title to HB 148 and noted he was
glad he deferred to Representative Olberg's objection to
pass a previous CS (committee substitute) from committee
without seeing it in final form. He stated the effective
date proposed by Representative Ulmer gave two outside
entities the right to veto legislation by the body, and
urged members not to pass it.
Number 408
REPRESENTATIVE ULMER stated CSHB 148 (STA) was not breaking
new ground, and the legislature had made previous law based
on conditions of acceptance by other parties. She noted
both groups referred to by Chairman Vezey wanted HB 148
passed, and it was unlikely they would "veto" the
legislation.
Number 423
CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated in any case, it was not right for
legislators to give up the right for legislation to take
effect.
Number 427
REPRESENTATIVE ULMER replied both parties, especially
university employees, wanted HB 148 passed, and the
University regents had also supported passage.
Number 438
REPRESENTATIVE HARLEY OLBERG stated if both parties wanted
HB 148, then the original bill should suffice without a
complicating CS being introduced.
Number 445
CHAIRMAN VEZEY then began taking public testimony.
Number 450
WENDY REDMAN, VICE PRESIDENT FOR UNIVERSITY RELATIONS,
UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA, reiterated the University's support
for HB 148, and told the committee the University would go
along with either version of the bill they passed.
Number 455
LOIS FOSTER, A UNIVERSITY EMPLOYEE, testified by
teleconference from Ketchikan in opposition to HB 148. She
stated employees would never be comfortable with the
grievance procedure the University said it would go along
with if the APA's (Administrative Procedure Act) procedures
were exempted. She stated it was only after the University
had been sued in court that it granted employees the right
to outside arbitration of grievances, and she feared that
would end.
Number 483
ART BUKOWSKI, A FACULTY MEMBER OF THE UNIVERSITY, testified
by teleconference from Anchorage in opposition to HB 148,
saying the committee should look at previous testimony on HB
148-styled bills from the 17th Legislature, in which
employees opposed ending the APA coverage. He stated the
procedures the University advocated are not adequate, and
recommended the committee look at guidelines drawn up by the
American Association of University Professors.
Number 546
LAWRENCE WEISS, A FACULTY MEMBER AT UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA,
ANCHORAGE, testified by teleconference from Anchorage in
opposition to HB 148, saying faculty members opposed HB 148
because it would end their right to a fair hearing in front
of an outside, impartial arbitrator. He also charged
"arbitrary and capricious" decisions by the administration
would be allowed to stand without the APA, and reminded the
committee of the Odum case.
Number 611
MS. REDMAN stated the University understood employees'
concerns, and reassured the committee CSHB 148 (STA) is not
necessary, but the University would not oppose it.
Number 613
CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated he had looked at the APA procedures
and decided it did not apply to personnel policy decisions,
but rather to actions taken with respect to boards and
commissions. He stressed his opposition to CSHB 148 (STA)
and urged members not to adopt it.
Number 636
REPRESENTATIVE ULMER noted the arrival of HB 148's sponsor,
Representative Gene Therriault, and asked if he might have a
statement.
Number 639
REPRESENTATIVE GENE THERRIAULT, PRIME SPONSOR OF HB 148, did
not oppose the change in the effective date under CSHB 148
(STA). He stated Chairman Vezey's interpretation of the APA
is correct, in that it is designed to arbitrate disputes
between boards and commissions with respect to business or
professional licenses. He noted the cost for a hearing
officer under the APA averages $100 an hour, and stated
university employees should feel comfortable because they
will be allowed to draw up their own grievance procedures.
Number 663
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG MOVED PASSAGE of HB 148.
Number 665
REPRESENTATIVE ULMER REMINDED the committee IT HAD already
ADOPTED CSHB 148 (STA).
Number 668
CHAIRMAN VEZEY agreed with Rep. Ulmer, and RULED the
committee would have to either RESCIND or PASS CSHB 148
(STA).
Number 683
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG MOVED the committee RESCIND CSHB 148
(STA).
REPRESENTATIVES ULMER and Bettye Davis OBJECTED.
Number 686
REPRESENTATIVE GARY DAVIS agreed to CSHB 148 (STA) because
he saw no conflict in addressing the concerns of both the
University and its employees.
Number 698
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG objected to giving two groups the
power to effectively veto any act of the legislature.
TAPE 93-34, SIDE B
Number 004
CHAIRMAN VEZEY opposed CSHB 148 (STA) because he knew of no
other employer who would not have adequate grievance
procedures in place, because they would otherwise expose
themselves to protest by labor organizations or in court.
He restated his opposition to allowing two groups veto power
over legislation.
Number 033
REPRESENTATIVE ULMER stated placing conditions on
legislation becoming effective had been done before, and
CSHB 148 (STA) simply eliminated the gap between passage and
the creation of new grievance procedures.
Number 070
CHAIRMAN VEZEY said he would entertain a motion to rescind
the CSHB 148 (STA).
Number 083
VICE CHAIRMAN PETE KOTT MOVED RESCINDING CSHB 148 (STA).
Number 115
CSHB 148 (STA) was RESCINDED by a 4-3 vote, with
Representatives Vezey, Kott, Olberg and Sanders voting YES;
and, Representatives B. Davis, Ulmer and G. Davis voting NO.
Number 128
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG MOVED PASSAGE of HB 148.
Number 141
HB 148 PASSED from committee by a 6-1 vote. Representative
B. Davis voted NO.
HB 228: STATE PROCUREMENTS
Number 155
CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title to HB 228 and invited
testimony on it.
Number 161
PEGGY THOMAS, A UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA EMPLOYEE AND PRIVATE
CONSULTANT testified by teleconference from Anchorage in
support of HB 228. She stated trying to improve Alaska's
economy by tightening procurement procedures is a good idea,
but HB 228 needs more work. She stated the findings in
Section one may not be accurate and urged a longer look at
them. She also noted problems with the procurement
sections, saying that without a solid manufacturing base in
Alaska, even if the state buys from an inside company, the
buy is most likely going to an outsider eventually.
MS. THOMAS stated HB 228 may actually favor outside
companies because they know of the preference given Alaska
companies and can effectively raise their prices above what
another state may pay. She stated the real answer to making
more effective procurement is to increase the competence of
our procurement officers.
Number 370
DAVE CHOQUETTE, A FORMER MEMBER OF THE HOUSE, testified by
teleconference from Anchorage in favor of HB 228, even
though he tried for two years to keep procurement out of a
similar bill he had introduced. He stated administrative
charges required to be reported under HB 228 could be
regulated without statute, by forging a partnership between
the public and private sector. He stated the original goal
was to increase the public awareness of the need to buy
Alaskan, and urged members not to allow the procurement
sections of the bill to remain.
Number 424
REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked if Mr. Choquette had seen HB 228,
and if so, did he have any suggestions for changes.
Number 430
MR. CHOQUETTE replied he had seen HB 228, and stated there
were several areas of improvement needed. He specifically
noted the University of Alaska as a big offender in out-of-
state procurements, as well as the Permanent Fund Board. He
stated the Permanent Fund Booklet was designed so that only
an out-of-state printer could work on the project.
Number 465
CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked if Mr. Choquette could cite specific
sections that needed changes.
Number 471
MR. CHOQUETTE had no specific section in mind, but suggested
members look into a bonus program that had been discussed in
the House previously.
Number 488
DAVE HARDING, LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO REPRESENTATIVE EILEEN
MACLEAN, testified in favor of HB 228. He stated HB 228
mirrors the previous procurement bill introduced and passed
by the House, and through all committees in the Senate
during the 17th Alaska State Legislature. He stated HB 228
focused primarily on service providers and echoed Mr.
Choquette's recommendation that members look at a bonus
plan.
Number 517
DUGAN PETTY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES, testified the
administration was in favor of supporting Alaska vendors and
building administrative procedures to help them. He stated
some streamlining of the procurement procedures is needed
under HB 228's guidelines. He cited a section of HB 228
that requires procurement officers to build in
administrative costs of a project in the bid. He stated
that was impractical in some smaller projects that might
only involve a couple of long distance phone calls, and
stated a threshold to require such a build-in should be
written into HB 228. He stated such costs could be built
into the invitations to bid that go to service providers,
and then figured into the preference points for local
vendors.
Number 550
CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked if the procurement procedures included
a preference code for instate vendors.
MR. PETTY replied in the affirmative, and added they could
account for up to ten percent of costs in an invitation to
bid, which is how an Alaska vendor could benefit from
administrative costs being factored in an invitation to bid.
Number 567
CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked if the intent was to factor in the
possibility of lawsuits in the administrative costs.
Number 584
MR. PETTY stated it was not, that the administration did not
anticipate legal costs on any project. He stated the costs
he would like to see under a threshold system for
procurements would be small, one-time costs like a limited
number of long distance phone calls or site visits.
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG asked for a couple of examples of
small administrative costs.
Number 601
MR. PETTY stated looking at an out-of-state print job or at
fire/rescue vehicles before taking delivery.
CHAIRMAN VEZEY interpreted that to mean anytime the state
bought products that either are expensive or expensive to
ship.
Number 615
REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS knew of no printing job that
required anyone to examine a job on the print shop floor.
He noted a site visit would have little effect on keeping
out-of-state printers from doing state business, since
printers here must charge about 35% more, and on a ten
thousand dollar print job, any out-of-state vendor could
easily build in the cost of a plane ticket to check the job.
Number 628
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG saw no reason for a floor visit
anyway.
Number 633
REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS stated it was a good excuse for a
Lower 48 vacation.
MR. PETTY only knew of one time that a print job needed to
be reviewed out-of-state, and that was a rush job. He
stated most print jobs are looked at and administered by
phone. He went on to detail how section seven of HB 228
needed to be amended to become a more permissive part of the
law. He stated if the law was inflexible, it would fragment
state procurement policies. He also stated section eight
should be amended to include sealed bid jobs as well, which
it did not appear to do as written.
Number 682
CHAIRMAN VEZEY understood HB 228 did not include school
districts, and asked why school districts are not allowed to
give local preferences.
Number 688
MR. PETTY noted it was true school districts could not
include a local preference, and suggested they be mandated
as well.
Number 694
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG asked if they were prohibited.
Number 697
MR. PETTY said they were, unless a school project used
general fund money.
Number 699
CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated it might be a good idea to allow
school districts to do so, with some exceptions, like
limited and sole source bids.
TAPE 93-35, SIDE A
Number 000
MR. PETTY agreed, stating the school procurement policy
should be more permissive.
Number 028
CHAIRMAN VEZEY thought it might be best to defer action on
HB 228, given the complexity of the bill. He stated it
would be a mistake to move on the bill despite its history
in the previous legislature.
Number 056
REPRESENTATIVE BETTYE DAVIS asked when HB 228 would be heard
again.
Number 070
CHAIRMAN VEZEY said the committee might hear HB 228 on
Tuesday, March 30, and definitely by Saturday, April 3,
1993.
Number 077
CHAIRMAN VEZEY then returned to the confirmation of Colonel
Sigurd E. Murphy and announced problems with the
teleconference call from General Mitch Aboud would prevent
him from testifying. He then stated he would entertain a
motion on Col. Murphy's nomination.
Number 085
REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS MOVED the nomination of Col. Murphy.
Number 093
The nomination of Colonel Murphy WAS RECOMMENDED for
confirmation by a 6-0 vote.
HCR 8: COMMITTEE MEETINGS: NOTICE AND ACTION
Number 141
REPRESENTATIVE JIM NORDLUND, PRIME SPONSOR OF HCR 8,
restated his reasoning for introducing the resolution. He
stated HCR 8 is designed to clarify how bills are introduced
and then acted upon in committees. He stated the resolution
would eliminate the confusion over jurisdiction of the five
day and Thursday reporting rules by eliminating the five day
rule. He stated under the current system, the five day rule
could be suspended, while the Thursday rule could not, and
that is where the confusion appears to be starting.
Number 224
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG stated he could eliminate all the
confusion over when a bill might fall under the five day
rule, but not the Thursday reporting rule. He stated the
easy way to end the confusion was to eliminate Saturday
meetings. Committee members and staff cheered the
suggestion. The committee chair did not.
Number 242
CHAIRMAN VEZEY believed there was a need to clarify when a
legislative week starts, as well as when a bill should be
scheduled.
Number 272
REPRESENTATIVE NORDLUND chose Thursday as the deadline
because it would give members a four day notice for Monday
meetings.
CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked why a five day "rolling" notice would
not work.
REPRESENTATIVE NORDLUND explained that would force the
public and staff to check the schedule every day, as opposed
to weekly.
Number 305
REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG liked the clarification being made
under HCR 8, and expressed his support for the resolution.
Number 321
CHAIRMAN VEZEY preferred to see the committee defer action
on HCR 8 so he and others might work on some sections. He
preferred a Friday deadline notice.
REPRESENTATIVE NORDLUND also wanted to see some changes
made, specifically in reference to the wavier of the
Thursday rule, which he said could be built into section one
of HCR 8.
Number 372
CHAIRMAN VEZEY noted the time of 10:07 a.m. and asked the
committee if it wanted to continue. Members indicated they
did.
Number 375
REPRESENTATIVE NORDLUND went on to explain section two of
HCR 8 which not only allows full participation of
representatives during a teleconference, but also allows
committee members to sign a recommendation even if they did
not attend the meeting.
Number 414
CHAIRMAN VEZEY was opposed to such a provision, because if
it was made too easy for someone not to attend a meeting,
they would not. He also opposed allowing members to vote
via teleconference, saying it would make it harder for
committees to get a physical quorum in a room.
Number 428
REPRESENTATIVE NORDLUND stated his intent to make it easier
for members to get to their home districts while continuing
their legislative work. He said teleconference votes would
make it far easier for rural members to do that.
Number 447
REPRESENTATIVE NORDLUND then outlined section three of HCR
8, saying he believed any legislation introduced by a
committee should be done at the will of the majority of that
committee. He said the practice is generally being followed
now, but that it should be put into the rules.
Number 458
CHAIRMAN VEZEY noted the time and suggested the committee
defer action on HCR 8.
Number 470
VICE CHAIR KOTT wanted to look closer at the provisions in
section two of HCR 8.
Number 500
CHAIRMAN VEZEY had concerns over the requirement of a
majority introducing bills.
VICE CHAIR KOTT agreed. He felt it ought to be the majority
of a quorum, not the majority of the committee. He stated
such a standard could give the minority the ability to
effectively shut a committee down. He also felt HCR 8
needed to be changed if it was to be passed by the Senate.
ADJOURNMENT
CHAIRMAN VEZEY noted the time and adjourned the meeting at
10:19 a.m.
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