Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/01/2004 03:22 PM House HES

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HB 425-BOARDING SCHOOL FUNDING                                                                                                
Number 0104                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  425,  "An  Act relating  to  funding for  school                                                               
districts  operating  secondary   school  boarding  programs,  to                                                               
funding for  school districts from which  boarding students come,                                                               
and  to  inoperative  school  districts;  and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COGHILL,  Alaska State Legislature, testified                                                               
as sponsor of HB 425.   He told the members that boarding schools                                                               
in Alaska have historically caused  some pain, but there are also                                                               
boarding  schools that  have proven  to  be very  valuable.   For                                                               
instance, the Mt.  Edgecumbe boarding school has  shown itself to                                                               
be a great  asset to Alaska.  Currently students  who do not have                                                               
daily access to a high school  education are allowed to receive a                                                               
stipend and round  trip airfare to a location  where an education                                                               
is available.   Representative Coghill  said that HB  425 expands                                                               
that  offering  by  providing  that  students  may  travel  to  a                                                               
boarding  school and  receive a  stipend even  if there  is daily                                                               
access to  a high school  education in the communities  where the                                                               
students live.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0302                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  said  that  there  is  a  cost  to  this                                                               
offering.  In an effort to  contain the cost, HB 425 provides for                                                               
a pilot program to be offered  only to boarding schools which are                                                               
already in  operation.  There is  a sunset provision in  the bill                                                               
of July  1, 2009.   Another  cost saving  provision is  that this                                                               
legislation only applies  to boarding schools which  offer a full                                                               
year of  education of 180 days  of operation.  He  pointed to the                                                               
revised fiscal note  dated 3/10/04 which reflects the  cost to be                                                               
$1,179  million  to  fund  the   boarding  schools  presently  in                                                               
operation.   Representative  Coghill explained  that this  fiscal                                                               
note shows a savings from the original fiscal note of $227,000.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0425                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL said  that he  believes boarding  schools                                                               
offer a  flexibility that  is valuable  to Alaska.   He  told the                                                               
members that in  his hometown of Nenana there  were some economic                                                               
reasons for  opening a  boarding school.   He explained  that the                                                               
community had  a large school  with a dwindling population.   The                                                               
community put forth  a significant amount of capital  to make the                                                               
boarding  program work  by taking  out a  loan and  putting up  a                                                               
building.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  told the members that  currently a school                                                               
that has enrollment  which falls below ten students  has to close                                                               
because it would no longer qualify  for state funding.  In HB 425                                                               
if  the  enrollment  in  a school  drops  below  the  ten-student                                                               
minimum because a  student opted to attend a  boarding school the                                                               
school would  be held harmless  from closure, he explained.   For                                                               
example,  the school  in Circle  could be  in trouble  if student                                                               
enrollment  drops and  he  does  not want  that  to  happen.   He                                                               
suggested   that   the   Department  of   Education   and   Early                                                               
Development's representative  can go into more  detail about that                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL   said  that  he  believes   this  is  an                                                               
important  option  for  students  who  wish  to  attend  boarding                                                               
schools for a variety of  reasons, whether it is course offerings                                                               
in math  and science, or  family and  social issues.   He pointed                                                               
out that  Galena has  done a  good job of  offering a  variety of                                                               
vocational  classes;  Nenana has  a  cultural  emphasis, and  Mt.                                                               
Edgecumbe's emphasis is on academics.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0634                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL told the members  that each of the schools                                                               
has its own acceptance criteria, and most have waiting lists.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0685                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  announced that  Representatives Cissna  and Kapsner                                                               
joined the meeting.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked for clarification  on a portion of the sponsor                                                               
statement which reads as follows:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The  hold  harmless  section  of  this  bill  allows  a                                                                    
     student's district of residence  to count a student for                                                                    
     the ADM  count even though  the student is  attending a                                                                    
     secondary   boarding   school.      This   avoids   the                                                                    
      possibility of paying the base allocation twice for                                                                       
     the same student.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked if this  means that the boarding  school does                                                               
not count  the students,  but the school  the students  came from                                                               
counts them.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0730                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
EDDIE  JEANS,  Finance  Manager, School  Finance  and  Facilities                                                               
Section,   Department  of   Education   and  Early   Development,                                                               
testified on HB 425 and answered  questions for the members.  The                                                               
hold harmless  provision simply states  that if a  community that                                                               
has a  small student  population loses a  couple of  students who                                                               
elect  to attend  a boarding  school,  that could  mean that  the                                                               
school would  fall below  the state's  threshold of  ten students                                                               
and be  forced to close,  he explained.   With the  hold harmless                                                               
provision  the department  would hold  that school  harmless from                                                               
closure  due to  the drop  in  ADM and  fund the  school for  ten                                                               
students, Mr.  Jeans said.  He  reminded the members that  in the                                                               
previous committee there  was discussion about the  fact that the                                                               
department  provides  a  base  level  of funding  for  10  to  20                                                               
students.  Mr. Jeans summarized  that the hold harmless provision                                                               
simply extends  the range  to 8 or  9 to 20  students for  a base                                                               
level  of funding  if  one of  the students  elects  to attend  a                                                               
boarding school.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0797                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked  if funding follows the student  or stays with                                                               
the district where the student formerly attended.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS explained that the  state would pay the boarding school                                                               
both  through the  foundation program  and  through the  boarding                                                               
stipend  to  cover  the  residential component.    He  said  that                                                               
basically all  that is being  done is extending that  base number                                                               
of  students down  for the  community  that has  a small  student                                                               
population.  He  said the state is not paying  for the same child                                                               
twice.   It  is  a  safety net  for  that  community [that  loses                                                               
students to boarding schools], he added.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON questioned  whether this isn't paying  twice for the                                                               
same student.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS replied  that the  state  is not  paying twice  unless                                                               
there is speculation that a  student leaves the school in his/her                                                               
home  community  and  the  enrollment  falls  to  eight  or  nine                                                               
students.   In that  case that  school would not  be funded  as a                                                               
separate school,  it would  be added  to a  larger school  in the                                                               
same  district.   He  reiterated that  he does  not  see this  as                                                               
paying  for  a student  twice;  it  is  just holding  the  school                                                               
harmless [from closure] while students go to a boarding program.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON asked  if there  were 15  student and  two left  to                                                               
attend a boarding  school would there be a change  in the funding                                                               
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS responded that there would  be no change in the funding                                                               
level.  In this  case, the school would still be in  the 10 to 20                                                               
student  range,  so the  hold  harmless  provision would  not  be                                                               
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0924                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA commented  that the loss of  a few critical                                                               
students could put  the state right back in  the situation before                                                               
the Molly Hootch  [case].  She told the members  that back in the                                                               
1970s she was  present during a discussion in Minto  on the Molly                                                               
Hootch  case.   Representative Cissna  explained that  she worked                                                               
with  some of  the  kids who  were taken  away  from their  homes                                                               
before they  were ready  and some  horrifying things  happened to                                                               
them.  She stated  that there are a lot of kids  who are dead now                                                               
because of those  programs.  She asked how  this legislation does                                                               
not lead to another horrifying episode.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1040                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL agreed that  Alaska has had an interesting                                                               
history of  boarding schools.   An  important difference  is that                                                               
those  boarding  schools were  mandated.    The current  boarding                                                               
school  programs are  permissive and  students must  apply to  be                                                               
admitted.    These  schools  normally enjoy  a  lot  of  parental                                                               
support,  a  demonstrated  need,  and a  willingness  to  address                                                               
personal, cultural, and economic  issues.  Representative Coghill                                                               
emphasized  that the  boarding  schools  currently operating  are                                                               
totally different from those operated  prior to Molly Hootch.  He                                                               
added  that  currently students  have  to  stand  in line  to  be                                                               
admitted  to one  of  these  boarding schools,  and  that is  the                                                               
reason he  put a  limit on  the number  of boarding  schools that                                                               
could participate  in the  program.   He said it  is not  so much                                                               
that he wanted to limit the  number of boarding schools, but that                                                               
the state's  ability to  pay for it  is limited.   Representative                                                               
Coghill  said  he wants  see  how  the current  boarding  schools                                                               
continue to  do with this program,  and believes it to  be a good                                                               
educational option.   He  advised the  committee that  this pilot                                                               
program is only offered to about 300 student.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS emphasized that none  of the students in these programs                                                               
are  required to  leave  their  homes.   This  bill provides  the                                                               
school  districts which  offer full  year boarding  home programs                                                               
some revenue  to help offset  the residential costs  of operating                                                               
those programs.   This is an optional  educational experience, he                                                               
added.   The  hold harmless  provision is  a safety  net for  the                                                               
community  in which  a student  may elect  to leave  in order  to                                                               
participate  in one  of the  boarding school  programs, he  said.                                                               
Mr. Jeans  told the members  that currently there are  no schools                                                               
that would require this safety net  because it has not effected a                                                               
school  that  small.    He said  he  thinks  what  Representative                                                               
Coghill is trying  to provide boarding schools  with some revenue                                                               
to help  with the residential  costs of  these programs.   At the                                                               
same time, he is trying to  be sensitive to the small communities                                                               
that  could have  a couple  of  secondary students  who may  take                                                               
advantage of the  program, so he is trying to  ensure through the                                                               
hold harmless  provision that  a small school  would not  have to                                                               
close while the  state is looking at the  boarding home programs,                                                               
Mr. Jeans said.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1255                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  posed a hypothetical  question of  a school                                                               
that has 17 students.   At that number the school  is funded at a                                                               
fixed rate  whether there are 16  students or 17 students.   If a                                                               
student decides to  go to a boarding school in  Nenana the school                                                               
he/she leaves  suffers no  loss in funding  which relates  to the                                                               
hold harmless  portion of this  bill.   This bill provides  for a                                                               
stipend to be  paid for the residential expenses  to the boarding                                                               
school.   He  asked if  the base  student allocation  follows the                                                               
student.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1340                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS replied  that very example is happening now.   The base                                                               
student allocation  goes to  the school in  which the  student is                                                               
enrolled.  For example, Nenana is  serving 96 students who do not                                                               
reside  in  Nenana.   However,  Nenana  is  currently  generating                                                               
funding  for   those  students  through   the  foundation-funding                                                               
program, he said.  He went on  to say that some of these students                                                               
may come from communities that fall  within the range of 10 to 20                                                               
students, and some  may come from Fairbanks.   He emphasized that                                                               
these  programs  are  up  and operating  and  the  department  is                                                               
providing   foundation  funding   for  these   kids'  educational                                                               
component.  However,  the state is not providing  funding for the                                                               
residential component of the program.   This bill simply provides                                                               
some residential support [through a stipend].                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO pointed  out that if the  student attended a                                                               
school in Fairbanks, then the  school district in Fairbanks would                                                               
lose funding  through the base student  allocation because he/she                                                               
is no longer enrolled there.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS responded that he is correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1370                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
FLOYD  BROOKS testified  in  support  of HB  425.    He told  the                                                               
members that he has three  daughters who attend the Nenana Living                                                               
Center.  The  educational opportunity there is  excellent and has                                                               
given  them a  safe place  to  live and  work.   In addition  the                                                               
school  has provided  extracurricular activities  that might  not                                                               
otherwise be  available such as  the snowboarders club,  trips to                                                               
Fairbanks,  and whitewater  rafting in  Denali National  Park and                                                               
Preserve.  Mr. Brooks said the  staff at the center are great and                                                               
have the kids' best interest at  heart.  He told the members that                                                               
academic failure  is not an option  for these kids.   This Nenana                                                               
Living  Center option  has also  allowed him  the opportunity  to                                                               
seek  employment  out  of  town  which  would  not  otherwise  be                                                               
possible.  He pointed out that  it only costs $9,000 for students                                                               
to  attend the  Nenana  Living  Center where  many  of the  small                                                               
villages cost  as much as $27,000  per student.  In  summary, Mr.                                                               
Brooks told the members that this is a case where everyone wins.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1489                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked Mr. Brooks what village he lives in.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROOKS responded  that  he  lives in  Nenana,  but has  been                                                               
working in  Fort Yukon.  He  added that the Nenana  Living Center                                                               
has provided a safe place for his daughters to learn.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1552                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA   EGLESTON   read   the  following   testimony   [original                                                               
punctuation provided  although some formatting changes  have been                                                               
made]:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I am calling  in support of HB 425  which would provide                                                                    
     funding  for   districts  operating   secondary  school                                                                    
     boarding programs.   I was  hired by the  Nenana School                                                                    
     District as a  counselor for the living  center when it                                                                    
     opened in  the fall  of 2001.   It is  my understanding                                                                    
     that prior  to 2001 the  district recognized a  need in                                                                    
     the  state  to  offer   school  alternatives  to  rural                                                                    
     students.    As  Representative Coghill  mentioned  the                                                                    
     community  was  also   concerned  about  the  dwindling                                                                    
     number of local  students.  Since Nenana  had (and has)                                                                    
     a large  school facility,  as well  as a  dedicated and                                                                    
     professional   staff,  the   school   board  with   the                                                                    
     community's support  made the decision to  build a dorm                                                                    
     and  then  fill  their classrooms  with  students  from                                                                    
     around the state -- which  is exactly what has happened                                                                    
     for the past three years.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     This  year   the  students   of  NSLC   represented  27                                                                    
     different  villages.   The first  year  there was  some                                                                    
     advertisement about  the opening  of the  new facility;                                                                    
     but since then the only  advertisement has been by word                                                                    
     of  mouth.   Yet each  fall there  have been  some good                                                                    
     applicants  who  have  had   to  be  denied  acceptance                                                                    
     because of lack of space.   The NSLC is running at full                                                                    
     capacity while  there is  an ever-growing  waiting list                                                                    
     of student  applicants.   I think this  is a  fact that                                                                    
     indicates the  need of boarding school  programs in the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Number 1604                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Recently I happened  to tune into NPR's  Talk of Alaska                                                                    
     radio show which that day  was titled, "A Mt. Edgecumbe                                                                    
     Reunion."   Several generations of  Edgecumbe graduates                                                                    
     called in  to talk about their  positive experiences at                                                                    
     the boarding school.  As I  listened to it I was amazed                                                                    
     to  listen  to  the   similarities  of  these  people's                                                                    
     comments and  what I  have witnessed  at NSLC  the past                                                                    
     three years.  The callers'  varied reasons for going to                                                                    
     Edgecumbe  paralleled what  has  been  written in  NSLC                                                                    
     student applications:   Students and families  want the                                                                    
     safety,  structure  and  stability  which  dorm  living                                                                    
     offers; they  seek a  quality education  with qualified                                                                    
     teachers and  a variety  of class offerings;  they hope                                                                    
     for  opportunities to  participate in  extra-curricular                                                                    
     activities;   families  want   for  their   children  a                                                                    
     foundation of  accepting responsibility  and developing                                                                    
     coping skills as they live  away from home; dorm living                                                                    
     offers a  transition from village  life to  the "bigger                                                                    
     world"; it is a step  to further prepare those students                                                                    
     with  ambitions  to  go on  to  college  or  vocational                                                                    
     school.   The Edgecumbe graduates spoke  about the many                                                                    
     positive   aspects  they   appreciated:     the  strong                                                                    
     positive  influence   they  felt  in  their   lives  as                                                                    
     teenagers;  the  lifelong friendships  they  developed;                                                                    
     the  sense  of family  and  community  felt within  the                                                                    
     boarding  school;  how   conflicts  were  resolved  and                                                                    
     friendships   prevailed   over   any   initial   tribal                                                                    
     friction.   Again, these comments  are very  similar to                                                                    
     what  is heard  from NSLC  parents and  students.   One                                                                    
     speaker spoke  of the  sense of  urgency she  and other                                                                    
     students  as well  as staff  members felt  in '82  when                                                                    
     they   were   writing   letters  to   legislators   and                                                                    
     testifying  in   an  attempt  to  keep   the  doors  of                                                                    
     Edgecumbe open.   And  here we  are calling  you today.                                                                    
     She spoke  of the great  sense of loss and  defeat when                                                                    
     the  Edgecumbe doors  closed in  '83 for  those several                                                                    
     years.  And  that is something that I am  hoping can be                                                                    
     averted here in NSLC.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Just  as Mt.  Edgecumbe  is fulfilling  a  need in  the                                                                    
     state,  the NSLC  is fulfilling  a need  in the  state.                                                                    
     Families  from   all  around  the  state   are  seeking                                                                    
     educational  alternatives  for  their  children.    The                                                                    
     NSLC,  as  well as  Galena,  offers  an option  in  the                                                                    
     interior part of  Alaska.  For the first  two years the                                                                    
     school district fully  funded the NSLC.   Now, in order                                                                    
     to  continue to  keep  the NSLC  doors open,  financial                                                                    
     support is needed  from the state.  HB  425, if passed,                                                                    
     would provide that funding.   Thank you for taking time                                                                    
     to hear testimony today.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1811                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RALPH LINDQUIST, Dean of Students,  Nenana Student Living Center,                                                               
testified in  support of HB  425 and answered questions  from the                                                               
members.  He echoed Mr.  Jean's comments that the Nenana boarding                                                               
school is not the same kind  of boarding school that was in place                                                               
30 years ago.  The school is an  option.  Nenana does not go into                                                               
the  villages trying  to  enroll students.    People are  seeking                                                               
Nenana, he said.  Of the  students who are enrolled this year and                                                               
who are eligible to come back  next year, 80 percent have already                                                               
enrolled.    Mr.  Lindquist  commented that  March  31st  is  the                                                               
deadline  for  enrollment and  acceptance  letters  will be  sent                                                               
around the 1st  of April.  There are 200  applicants presently on                                                               
file  and it  will be  necessary to  pick and  choose 75  of them                                                               
because that is all the school has  room for next year.  It would                                                               
be a shame  to not only tell  the 125 kids that  there isn't room                                                               
for  them, but  to also  tell  the other  75 that  they won't  be                                                               
accepted because of lack of funding.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDQUIST  explained that  when the kids  in town  are having                                                               
parent/teacher conferences  during the  first and  third quarters                                                               
the  school sends  six teams  out to  the villages  to meet  with                                                               
parents.   One  team just  returned  from St.  Mary and  Mountain                                                               
Village and  the number  of requests for  enrollment is  scary as                                                               
our demand  keeps going  up and  the number  of slots  open keeps                                                               
going down,  he said.   Mr. Lindquist  explained that  the Nenana                                                               
community does not ever wish to be larger that 100 students.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDQUIST commented  that Representative  Coghill said  that                                                               
Nenana would  provide for 100  students, but it will  really only                                                               
have room for  75.  At that number it  will generate about $4,450                                                               
per student if  HB 425 passes as  written.  He said  with 75 kids                                                               
that  is about  $338,000  which  is probably  less  than the  top                                                               
dollar amount the bill is looking at.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDQUIST told the members  that in the first year, 2001-2002                                                               
Nenana received  zero funding  for the  operations of  the Nenana                                                               
Student  Living  Center, for  2002-2003  it  again received  zero                                                               
funds, but in  2002-2003 the center received a  one-time grant of                                                               
$500,000.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1894                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDQUIST  said that  according  to  a report  published  by                                                               
Senator Wilkens  if the 75  students who attended  Nenana Student                                                               
Living  Center had  stayed in  their home  communities, it  would                                                               
have  cost  the state  of  Alaska  an  additional $350,000.    In                                                               
summary he said,  Nenana is providing an  excellent education and                                                               
doing  it for  less  money  than it  would  cost  to educate  the                                                               
student's in their home village.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1915                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked if she  understands correctly  that community                                                               
of  Nenana built  the boarding  school and  hoped that  the money                                                               
would follow.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDQUIST  replied that he was  not at Nenana when  this took                                                               
place.   He  thought  perhaps Representative  Coghill might  have                                                               
some background  on that.   Mr. Lindquist  explained that  he had                                                               
been an  educator in  a K-12  facility and  decided to  take some                                                               
time off.  He then got involved  in this project and has found it                                                               
totally  consuming.   The staff  and  the school  district is  so                                                               
supportive of this program that ways have been found to fund it.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1967                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LISA BROOKS, student, Nenana Student  Living Center, testified in                                                               
support of HB  425 and answered questions from the  members.  She                                                               
explained that she and her  two sisters attend the Nenana Student                                                               
Living Center.  Originally she lived  in Nenana and living at the                                                               
center has given her the opportunity  to improve her grades.  Ms.                                                               
Brooks said she is currently  an honor student which is something                                                               
she  had never  achieved  before.   She  said  the staff  members                                                               
really care  about the  students, and  the activities  are great.                                                               
Ms. Brooks added  that she is a member of  the snowboarding club.                                                               
There  are  a wide  variety  of  course  offerings such  as  EMT,                                                               
culinary arts, and construction classes, she said.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2038                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  asked if  Ms.  Brooks  lives  at  home or  in  the                                                               
boarding school.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS  responded that she lives  at the living center.   She                                                               
said  that when  her dad  got a  job in  Fort Yukon  she had  the                                                               
choice of going to Fort Yukon  or staying in Nenana and attending                                                               
the  Nenana Student  Living Center.   She  commented that  she is                                                               
happy she stayed in Nenana.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2064                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  GRIMES, Dormitory  Parents, Nenana  Student Living  Center,                                                               
testified in  support of HB  425 and answered questions  from the                                                               
members.  He shared  that he and his wife came  to Alaska in 1994                                                               
from  Dallas, Texas,  with their  six children.   Because  of the                                                               
work he had done with  teenagers he believed this boarding school                                                               
would be  a good  thing for  the community  and the  students who                                                               
enrolled.   He  spoke at  a community  hearing and  was asked  to                                                               
serve  on  the  steering  committee  to  move  forward  with  the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2141                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIMES  commented that earlier  the question was  asked about                                                               
the plan for  funding when the boarding school  program was first                                                               
explored.   He  said that  the  community believed  that "if  you                                                               
build it,  the money will come."   The reality is  that the money                                                               
was not  there and  it was  a rude  awakening.   Ralph Lindquist,                                                               
Dean  of Students,  should be  credited with  getting the  living                                                               
center on a good solid foundation, he said.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIMES said  that he had no intention of  being involved with                                                               
the  school, but  he  and his  wife were  asked  to be  dormitory                                                               
parents.   For the first  two years they  were in the  girls wing                                                               
and  it  was an  incredible  experience.    Mr. Grimes  told  the                                                               
members  that the  third  year they  decided it  was  time for  a                                                               
change and  have been in  the boys' wing.   He said that  he just                                                               
returned  from  a week  in  Kongiganak  where there  were  parent                                                               
conferences.  It  was a great trip and students  are very excited                                                               
about going to Nenana.  He said  he believes what he and his wife                                                               
bring to the school is  their experience raising seven kids, only                                                               
one of which is still at home.   Mr. Grimes told the members that                                                               
these kids come there scared, without  direction in what to do in                                                               
life, and the staff just helps  to guide them and do whatever can                                                               
be done.  This is an  incredible program and urged the members to                                                               
support HB  425.   In closing he  said he does  not want  to look                                                               
these guys in the eyes and tell  them they can't come back.  That                                                               
would  be the  toughest hall  meeting  he could  have with  these                                                               
guys, he said.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2243                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  asked  if  his  children  live  with  him  at  the                                                               
dormitory.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIMES replied that all but  one child is grown and gone from                                                               
home.  Nathaniel is ten and lives  in the dorm and goes to Nenana                                                               
school, he  has 17  big brothers and  40 or 50  big sisters.   He                                                               
commented that he  has the typical little  brother syndrome where                                                               
he gets on the older boy's nerves,  the older boys put him in his                                                               
place, and  everything's fine.   He said  Nathaniel loves  it, we                                                               
love it, and believes the students do too.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2308                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM  SMITH, Superintendent,  Galena  Residential School  Program,                                                               
Galena City School  District, testified in support of  HB 425 and                                                               
answered   questions  from   the   members.     In  response   to                                                               
Representative Gatto's question, Mr.  Smith responded that Galena                                                               
shares several  programs with Nenana.   Some of the  funding that                                                               
the  boarding  schools  have  enjoyed   have  come  from  federal                                                               
assistance through Senator  Stevens.  Currently Galena  is in the                                                               
first  year of  support from  an  Alaska Natives  grant which  is                                                               
funding five  staff members  at the  Galena dormitory,  two staff                                                               
members at the  Nenana dormitory, and three staff  members at Mt.                                                               
Edgecumbe.   He explained  that all of  that funding  is directed                                                               
toward training for  the ASSETS program which was  brought to the                                                               
school by the Alaska Association of School Boards.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH told  the members  that Galena  does not  operate with                                                               
dormitory parents as Nenana does; it  has a dormitory staff.  The                                                               
dormitory houses 85  students at the former airbase.   There is a                                                               
director  with  12  dormitory  staff,.three  of  which  are  hall                                                               
managers, two floor managers, and  six residential advisers.  The                                                               
model Galena uses is  close to what one would expect  to see in a                                                               
college.   He  agreed with  much  of the  previous testimony  the                                                               
members have heard  with respect to the return  rate of students.                                                               
This year  it was 100  percent, and there  is a waiting  list for                                                               
next year.   The school has prioritized the waiting  list to give                                                               
preference to siblings who are currently enrolled.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO  pointed  out   that  in  addition  to  the                                                               
boarding  school program  Galena also  has the  Interior Distance                                                               
Education  of  Alaska  (IDEA)  program.   He  asked  if  the  two                                                               
programs are involved in any way.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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Number 2380                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH  explained that  the  residential  students are  in  a                                                               
separate program  on the base.   He said that students  are bused                                                               
between  the two  city schools  and the  base for  the vocational                                                               
program.   Students who are  enrolled in the  IDEA correspondence                                                               
school program do come to Galena  for two weeks when the students                                                               
spend time in different vocational  programs.  For example, there                                                               
is a pre-flight  school where IDEA students come  to Galena, stay                                                               
at  the dormitory,  and take  part  in some  of the  introductory                                                               
pilot  training classes.    The  same is  true  of the  mechanics                                                               
course that is  offered.  However, Mr. Smith  emphasized that the                                                               
students   in   the   residential   program  do   not   use   the                                                               
correspondence program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2324                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALFRED  KETZLER,  Executive   Director,  Nenana  Native  Council,                                                               
testified in support of HB 425.   He told the members that Nenana                                                               
has a  long history of boarding  schools dating back to  the turn                                                               
of the  century when the  Episcopal Church ran a  boarding school                                                               
through  the 1950s.    Then again  in the  late  1960s the  local                                                               
church  ran a  boarding  school program  which continued  through                                                               
1974, when  it was  taken over  by the  housing authority  out of                                                               
Fairbanks until the 1980s.   Mr. Ketzler explained that there was                                                               
a  period of  time after  that when  no boarding  home in  Nenana                                                               
existed.   The  community  began working  together  again on  the                                                               
boarding  home concept  because  Nenana had  a  large school  and                                                               
plenty of room for students.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KETZLER shared  that the local tribe has  just announced that                                                               
it  will be  breaking  ground  in June  on  a recreational  youth                                                               
education center.   It will  be a multi-purpose center,  but will                                                               
be  primarily   used  to  create  additional   opportunities  for                                                               
activities for the students who come  to Nenana from all over the                                                               
state.    He  said  that  he  believes  this  is  a  very  strong                                                               
indication of the tribe's support of the boarding home program.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2216                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ANN  ESMAILKA,  parent of  a  student  at Nenana  Student  Living                                                               
Center, testified  in support of  HB 425.   She told  the members                                                               
that she  is very  pleased with  the way  the boarding  school is                                                               
operated.   The  educational  opportunities  are challenging  and                                                               
there  are also  more  recreational activities  available to  the                                                               
students than what is provided in the village.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2163                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO asked  Mr. Jeans  for clarification  on the                                                               
statement that  the base student allocation  follows the student.                                                               
The base student  allocation in Nenana is based on  the number of                                                               
students  for  that  district,  and   not  on  the  base  student                                                               
allocation provided to the home district of the student.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2144                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS replied that is correct.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO commented that since  that is true, there is                                                               
a  net  savings to  the  state  when  a  student transfers  to  a                                                               
boarding  home  program, even  though  there  is  a net  cost  in                                                               
funding the boarding school.  He  said he believes it is probably                                                               
not "a wash,"  but certainly not as lopsided as  it might seem to                                                               
be.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON said  that at  Mt.  Edgecumbe the  students get  an                                                               
excellent education.  She asked what  the funding level is at Mt.                                                               
Edgecumbe.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS replied  that  Mt. Edgecumbe  receives  a little  over                                                               
$14,000  [per  student]  for the  instructional  and  residential                                                               
components.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON commented that it is  important to look at the costs                                                               
of these programs and what is being accomplished.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  told  the  members that  he  included  a                                                               
sunset  provision in  the bill  deliberately to  ensure that  the                                                               
legislature will take a close look at boarding school programs.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2069                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER moved to report  HB 425, Version H, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.  There being  no objection, House Health, Education                                                               
and  Social Services  Standing Committee  reported CSHB  425(EDU)                                                               
out of committee.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                

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