Legislature(2003 - 2004)
04/01/2004 03:22 PM House HES
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HB 425-BOARDING SCHOOL FUNDING Number 0104 CHAIR WILSON announced that the first order of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 425, "An Act relating to funding for school districts operating secondary school boarding programs, to funding for school districts from which boarding students come, and to inoperative school districts; and providing for an effective date." Number 0170 REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COGHILL, Alaska State Legislature, testified as sponsor of HB 425. He told the members that boarding schools in Alaska have historically caused some pain, but there are also boarding schools that have proven to be very valuable. For instance, the Mt. Edgecumbe boarding school has shown itself to be a great asset to Alaska. Currently students who do not have daily access to a high school education are allowed to receive a stipend and round trip airfare to a location where an education is available. Representative Coghill said that HB 425 expands that offering by providing that students may travel to a boarding school and receive a stipend even if there is daily access to a high school education in the communities where the students live. Number 0302 REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said that there is a cost to this offering. In an effort to contain the cost, HB 425 provides for a pilot program to be offered only to boarding schools which are already in operation. There is a sunset provision in the bill of July 1, 2009. Another cost saving provision is that this legislation only applies to boarding schools which offer a full year of education of 180 days of operation. He pointed to the revised fiscal note dated 3/10/04 which reflects the cost to be $1,179 million to fund the boarding schools presently in operation. Representative Coghill explained that this fiscal note shows a savings from the original fiscal note of $227,000. Number 0425 REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said that he believes boarding schools offer a flexibility that is valuable to Alaska. He told the members that in his hometown of Nenana there were some economic reasons for opening a boarding school. He explained that the community had a large school with a dwindling population. The community put forth a significant amount of capital to make the boarding program work by taking out a loan and putting up a building. REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL told the members that currently a school that has enrollment which falls below ten students has to close because it would no longer qualify for state funding. In HB 425 if the enrollment in a school drops below the ten-student minimum because a student opted to attend a boarding school the school would be held harmless from closure, he explained. For example, the school in Circle could be in trouble if student enrollment drops and he does not want that to happen. He suggested that the Department of Education and Early Development's representative can go into more detail about that point. REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said that he believes this is an important option for students who wish to attend boarding schools for a variety of reasons, whether it is course offerings in math and science, or family and social issues. He pointed out that Galena has done a good job of offering a variety of vocational classes; Nenana has a cultural emphasis, and Mt. Edgecumbe's emphasis is on academics. Number 0634 REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL told the members that each of the schools has its own acceptance criteria, and most have waiting lists. Number 0685 CHAIR WILSON announced that Representatives Cissna and Kapsner joined the meeting. CHAIR WILSON asked for clarification on a portion of the sponsor statement which reads as follows: The hold harmless section of this bill allows a student's district of residence to count a student for the ADM count even though the student is attending a secondary boarding school. This avoids the possibility of paying the base allocation twice for the same student. CHAIR WILSON asked if this means that the boarding school does not count the students, but the school the students came from counts them. Number 0730 EDDIE JEANS, Finance Manager, School Finance and Facilities Section, Department of Education and Early Development, testified on HB 425 and answered questions for the members. The hold harmless provision simply states that if a community that has a small student population loses a couple of students who elect to attend a boarding school, that could mean that the school would fall below the state's threshold of ten students and be forced to close, he explained. With the hold harmless provision the department would hold that school harmless from closure due to the drop in ADM and fund the school for ten students, Mr. Jeans said. He reminded the members that in the previous committee there was discussion about the fact that the department provides a base level of funding for 10 to 20 students. Mr. Jeans summarized that the hold harmless provision simply extends the range to 8 or 9 to 20 students for a base level of funding if one of the students elects to attend a boarding school. Number 0797 CHAIR WILSON asked if funding follows the student or stays with the district where the student formerly attended. MR. JEANS explained that the state would pay the boarding school both through the foundation program and through the boarding stipend to cover the residential component. He said that basically all that is being done is extending that base number of students down for the community that has a small student population. He said the state is not paying for the same child twice. It is a safety net for that community [that loses students to boarding schools], he added. CHAIR WILSON questioned whether this isn't paying twice for the same student. MR. JEANS replied that the state is not paying twice unless there is speculation that a student leaves the school in his/her home community and the enrollment falls to eight or nine students. In that case that school would not be funded as a separate school, it would be added to a larger school in the same district. He reiterated that he does not see this as paying for a student twice; it is just holding the school harmless [from closure] while students go to a boarding program. CHAIR WILSON asked if there were 15 student and two left to attend a boarding school would there be a change in the funding level. MR. JEANS responded that there would be no change in the funding level. In this case, the school would still be in the 10 to 20 student range, so the hold harmless provision would not be necessary. Number 0924 REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA commented that the loss of a few critical students could put the state right back in the situation before the Molly Hootch [case]. She told the members that back in the 1970s she was present during a discussion in Minto on the Molly Hootch case. Representative Cissna explained that she worked with some of the kids who were taken away from their homes before they were ready and some horrifying things happened to them. She stated that there are a lot of kids who are dead now because of those programs. She asked how this legislation does not lead to another horrifying episode. Number 1040 REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL agreed that Alaska has had an interesting history of boarding schools. An important difference is that those boarding schools were mandated. The current boarding school programs are permissive and students must apply to be admitted. These schools normally enjoy a lot of parental support, a demonstrated need, and a willingness to address personal, cultural, and economic issues. Representative Coghill emphasized that the boarding schools currently operating are totally different from those operated prior to Molly Hootch. He added that currently students have to stand in line to be admitted to one of these boarding schools, and that is the reason he put a limit on the number of boarding schools that could participate in the program. He said it is not so much that he wanted to limit the number of boarding schools, but that the state's ability to pay for it is limited. Representative Coghill said he wants see how the current boarding schools continue to do with this program, and believes it to be a good educational option. He advised the committee that this pilot program is only offered to about 300 student. MR. JEANS emphasized that none of the students in these programs are required to leave their homes. This bill provides the school districts which offer full year boarding home programs some revenue to help offset the residential costs of operating those programs. This is an optional educational experience, he added. The hold harmless provision is a safety net for the community in which a student may elect to leave in order to participate in one of the boarding school programs, he said. Mr. Jeans told the members that currently there are no schools that would require this safety net because it has not effected a school that small. He said he thinks what Representative Coghill is trying to provide boarding schools with some revenue to help with the residential costs of these programs. At the same time, he is trying to be sensitive to the small communities that could have a couple of secondary students who may take advantage of the program, so he is trying to ensure through the hold harmless provision that a small school would not have to close while the state is looking at the boarding home programs, Mr. Jeans said. Number 1255 REPRESENTATIVE GATTO posed a hypothetical question of a school that has 17 students. At that number the school is funded at a fixed rate whether there are 16 students or 17 students. If a student decides to go to a boarding school in Nenana the school he/she leaves suffers no loss in funding which relates to the hold harmless portion of this bill. This bill provides for a stipend to be paid for the residential expenses to the boarding school. He asked if the base student allocation follows the student. Number 1340 MR. JEANS replied that very example is happening now. The base student allocation goes to the school in which the student is enrolled. For example, Nenana is serving 96 students who do not reside in Nenana. However, Nenana is currently generating funding for those students through the foundation-funding program, he said. He went on to say that some of these students may come from communities that fall within the range of 10 to 20 students, and some may come from Fairbanks. He emphasized that these programs are up and operating and the department is providing foundation funding for these kids' educational component. However, the state is not providing funding for the residential component of the program. This bill simply provides some residential support [through a stipend]. REPRESENTATIVE GATTO pointed out that if the student attended a school in Fairbanks, then the school district in Fairbanks would lose funding through the base student allocation because he/she is no longer enrolled there. MR. JEANS responded that he is correct. Number 1370 FLOYD BROOKS testified in support of HB 425. He told the members that he has three daughters who attend the Nenana Living Center. The educational opportunity there is excellent and has given them a safe place to live and work. In addition the school has provided extracurricular activities that might not otherwise be available such as the snowboarders club, trips to Fairbanks, and whitewater rafting in Denali National Park and Preserve. Mr. Brooks said the staff at the center are great and have the kids' best interest at heart. He told the members that academic failure is not an option for these kids. This Nenana Living Center option has also allowed him the opportunity to seek employment out of town which would not otherwise be possible. He pointed out that it only costs $9,000 for students to attend the Nenana Living Center where many of the small villages cost as much as $27,000 per student. In summary, Mr. Brooks told the members that this is a case where everyone wins. Number 1489 CHAIR WILSON asked Mr. Brooks what village he lives in. MR. BROOKS responded that he lives in Nenana, but has been working in Fort Yukon. He added that the Nenana Living Center has provided a safe place for his daughters to learn. Number 1552 SANDRA EGLESTON read the following testimony [original punctuation provided although some formatting changes have been made]: I am calling in support of HB 425 which would provide funding for districts operating secondary school boarding programs. I was hired by the Nenana School District as a counselor for the living center when it opened in the fall of 2001. It is my understanding that prior to 2001 the district recognized a need in the state to offer school alternatives to rural students. As Representative Coghill mentioned the community was also concerned about the dwindling number of local students. Since Nenana had (and has) a large school facility, as well as a dedicated and professional staff, the school board with the community's support made the decision to build a dorm and then fill their classrooms with students from around the state -- which is exactly what has happened for the past three years. This year the students of NSLC represented 27 different villages. The first year there was some advertisement about the opening of the new facility; but since then the only advertisement has been by word of mouth. Yet each fall there have been some good applicants who have had to be denied acceptance because of lack of space. The NSLC is running at full capacity while there is an ever-growing waiting list of student applicants. I think this is a fact that indicates the need of boarding school programs in the state. Number 1604 Recently I happened to tune into NPR's Talk of Alaska radio show which that day was titled, "A Mt. Edgecumbe Reunion." Several generations of Edgecumbe graduates called in to talk about their positive experiences at the boarding school. As I listened to it I was amazed to listen to the similarities of these people's comments and what I have witnessed at NSLC the past three years. The callers' varied reasons for going to Edgecumbe paralleled what has been written in NSLC student applications: Students and families want the safety, structure and stability which dorm living offers; they seek a quality education with qualified teachers and a variety of class offerings; they hope for opportunities to participate in extra-curricular activities; families want for their children a foundation of accepting responsibility and developing coping skills as they live away from home; dorm living offers a transition from village life to the "bigger world"; it is a step to further prepare those students with ambitions to go on to college or vocational school. The Edgecumbe graduates spoke about the many positive aspects they appreciated: the strong positive influence they felt in their lives as teenagers; the lifelong friendships they developed; the sense of family and community felt within the boarding school; how conflicts were resolved and friendships prevailed over any initial tribal friction. Again, these comments are very similar to what is heard from NSLC parents and students. One speaker spoke of the sense of urgency she and other students as well as staff members felt in '82 when they were writing letters to legislators and testifying in an attempt to keep the doors of Edgecumbe open. And here we are calling you today. She spoke of the great sense of loss and defeat when the Edgecumbe doors closed in '83 for those several years. And that is something that I am hoping can be averted here in NSLC. Just as Mt. Edgecumbe is fulfilling a need in the state, the NSLC is fulfilling a need in the state. Families from all around the state are seeking educational alternatives for their children. The NSLC, as well as Galena, offers an option in the interior part of Alaska. For the first two years the school district fully funded the NSLC. Now, in order to continue to keep the NSLC doors open, financial support is needed from the state. HB 425, if passed, would provide that funding. Thank you for taking time to hear testimony today. Number 1811 RALPH LINDQUIST, Dean of Students, Nenana Student Living Center, testified in support of HB 425 and answered questions from the members. He echoed Mr. Jean's comments that the Nenana boarding school is not the same kind of boarding school that was in place 30 years ago. The school is an option. Nenana does not go into the villages trying to enroll students. People are seeking Nenana, he said. Of the students who are enrolled this year and who are eligible to come back next year, 80 percent have already enrolled. Mr. Lindquist commented that March 31st is the deadline for enrollment and acceptance letters will be sent around the 1st of April. There are 200 applicants presently on file and it will be necessary to pick and choose 75 of them because that is all the school has room for next year. It would be a shame to not only tell the 125 kids that there isn't room for them, but to also tell the other 75 that they won't be accepted because of lack of funding. MR. LINDQUIST explained that when the kids in town are having parent/teacher conferences during the first and third quarters the school sends six teams out to the villages to meet with parents. One team just returned from St. Mary and Mountain Village and the number of requests for enrollment is scary as our demand keeps going up and the number of slots open keeps going down, he said. Mr. Lindquist explained that the Nenana community does not ever wish to be larger that 100 students. MR. LINDQUIST commented that Representative Coghill said that Nenana would provide for 100 students, but it will really only have room for 75. At that number it will generate about $4,450 per student if HB 425 passes as written. He said with 75 kids that is about $338,000 which is probably less than the top dollar amount the bill is looking at. MR. LINDQUIST told the members that in the first year, 2001-2002 Nenana received zero funding for the operations of the Nenana Student Living Center, for 2002-2003 it again received zero funds, but in 2002-2003 the center received a one-time grant of $500,000. Number 1894 MR. LINDQUIST said that according to a report published by Senator Wilkens if the 75 students who attended Nenana Student Living Center had stayed in their home communities, it would have cost the state of Alaska an additional $350,000. In summary he said, Nenana is providing an excellent education and doing it for less money than it would cost to educate the student's in their home village. Number 1915 CHAIR WILSON asked if she understands correctly that community of Nenana built the boarding school and hoped that the money would follow. MR. LINDQUIST replied that he was not at Nenana when this took place. He thought perhaps Representative Coghill might have some background on that. Mr. Lindquist explained that he had been an educator in a K-12 facility and decided to take some time off. He then got involved in this project and has found it totally consuming. The staff and the school district is so supportive of this program that ways have been found to fund it. Number 1967 LISA BROOKS, student, Nenana Student Living Center, testified in support of HB 425 and answered questions from the members. She explained that she and her two sisters attend the Nenana Student Living Center. Originally she lived in Nenana and living at the center has given her the opportunity to improve her grades. Ms. Brooks said she is currently an honor student which is something she had never achieved before. She said the staff members really care about the students, and the activities are great. Ms. Brooks added that she is a member of the snowboarding club. There are a wide variety of course offerings such as EMT, culinary arts, and construction classes, she said. Number 2038 CHAIR WILSON asked if Ms. Brooks lives at home or in the boarding school. MS. BROOKS responded that she lives at the living center. She said that when her dad got a job in Fort Yukon she had the choice of going to Fort Yukon or staying in Nenana and attending the Nenana Student Living Center. She commented that she is happy she stayed in Nenana. Number 2064 JOHN GRIMES, Dormitory Parents, Nenana Student Living Center, testified in support of HB 425 and answered questions from the members. He shared that he and his wife came to Alaska in 1994 from Dallas, Texas, with their six children. Because of the work he had done with teenagers he believed this boarding school would be a good thing for the community and the students who enrolled. He spoke at a community hearing and was asked to serve on the steering committee to move forward with the process. Number 2141 MR. GRIMES commented that earlier the question was asked about the plan for funding when the boarding school program was first explored. He said that the community believed that "if you build it, the money will come." The reality is that the money was not there and it was a rude awakening. Ralph Lindquist, Dean of Students, should be credited with getting the living center on a good solid foundation, he said. MR. GRIMES said that he had no intention of being involved with the school, but he and his wife were asked to be dormitory parents. For the first two years they were in the girls wing and it was an incredible experience. Mr. Grimes told the members that the third year they decided it was time for a change and have been in the boys' wing. He said that he just returned from a week in Kongiganak where there were parent conferences. It was a great trip and students are very excited about going to Nenana. He said he believes what he and his wife bring to the school is their experience raising seven kids, only one of which is still at home. Mr. Grimes told the members that these kids come there scared, without direction in what to do in life, and the staff just helps to guide them and do whatever can be done. This is an incredible program and urged the members to support HB 425. In closing he said he does not want to look these guys in the eyes and tell them they can't come back. That would be the toughest hall meeting he could have with these guys, he said. Number 2243 CHAIR WILSON asked if his children live with him at the dormitory. MR. GRIMES replied that all but one child is grown and gone from home. Nathaniel is ten and lives in the dorm and goes to Nenana school, he has 17 big brothers and 40 or 50 big sisters. He commented that he has the typical little brother syndrome where he gets on the older boy's nerves, the older boys put him in his place, and everything's fine. He said Nathaniel loves it, we love it, and believes the students do too. Number 2308 JIM SMITH, Superintendent, Galena Residential School Program, Galena City School District, testified in support of HB 425 and answered questions from the members. In response to Representative Gatto's question, Mr. Smith responded that Galena shares several programs with Nenana. Some of the funding that the boarding schools have enjoyed have come from federal assistance through Senator Stevens. Currently Galena is in the first year of support from an Alaska Natives grant which is funding five staff members at the Galena dormitory, two staff members at the Nenana dormitory, and three staff members at Mt. Edgecumbe. He explained that all of that funding is directed toward training for the ASSETS program which was brought to the school by the Alaska Association of School Boards. MR. SMITH told the members that Galena does not operate with dormitory parents as Nenana does; it has a dormitory staff. The dormitory houses 85 students at the former airbase. There is a director with 12 dormitory staff,.three of which are hall managers, two floor managers, and six residential advisers. The model Galena uses is close to what one would expect to see in a college. He agreed with much of the previous testimony the members have heard with respect to the return rate of students. This year it was 100 percent, and there is a waiting list for next year. The school has prioritized the waiting list to give preference to siblings who are currently enrolled. REPRESENTATIVE GATTO pointed out that in addition to the boarding school program Galena also has the Interior Distance Education of Alaska (IDEA) program. He asked if the two programs are involved in any way. TAPE 04-26, SIDE B Number 2380 MR. SMITH explained that the residential students are in a separate program on the base. He said that students are bused between the two city schools and the base for the vocational program. Students who are enrolled in the IDEA correspondence school program do come to Galena for two weeks when the students spend time in different vocational programs. For example, there is a pre-flight school where IDEA students come to Galena, stay at the dormitory, and take part in some of the introductory pilot training classes. The same is true of the mechanics course that is offered. However, Mr. Smith emphasized that the students in the residential program do not use the correspondence program. Number 2324 ALFRED KETZLER, Executive Director, Nenana Native Council, testified in support of HB 425. He told the members that Nenana has a long history of boarding schools dating back to the turn of the century when the Episcopal Church ran a boarding school through the 1950s. Then again in the late 1960s the local church ran a boarding school program which continued through 1974, when it was taken over by the housing authority out of Fairbanks until the 1980s. Mr. Ketzler explained that there was a period of time after that when no boarding home in Nenana existed. The community began working together again on the boarding home concept because Nenana had a large school and plenty of room for students. MR. KETZLER shared that the local tribe has just announced that it will be breaking ground in June on a recreational youth education center. It will be a multi-purpose center, but will be primarily used to create additional opportunities for activities for the students who come to Nenana from all over the state. He said that he believes this is a very strong indication of the tribe's support of the boarding home program. Number 2216 ANN ESMAILKA, parent of a student at Nenana Student Living Center, testified in support of HB 425. She told the members that she is very pleased with the way the boarding school is operated. The educational opportunities are challenging and there are also more recreational activities available to the students than what is provided in the village. Number 2163 REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked Mr. Jeans for clarification on the statement that the base student allocation follows the student. The base student allocation in Nenana is based on the number of students for that district, and not on the base student allocation provided to the home district of the student. Number 2144 MR. JEANS replied that is correct. REPRESENTATIVE GATTO commented that since that is true, there is a net savings to the state when a student transfers to a boarding home program, even though there is a net cost in funding the boarding school. He said he believes it is probably not "a wash," but certainly not as lopsided as it might seem to be. CHAIR WILSON said that at Mt. Edgecumbe the students get an excellent education. She asked what the funding level is at Mt. Edgecumbe. MR. JEANS replied that Mt. Edgecumbe receives a little over $14,000 [per student] for the instructional and residential components. CHAIR WILSON commented that it is important to look at the costs of these programs and what is being accomplished. REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL told the members that he included a sunset provision in the bill deliberately to ensure that the legislature will take a close look at boarding school programs. Number 2069 REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER moved to report HB 425, Version H, out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being no objection, House Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee reported CSHB 425(EDU) out of committee.
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