Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

05/07/2024 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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09:03:11 AM Start
09:04:15 AM HB398
09:27:25 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Delayed to 9:00 AM --
+ SB 174 HONOR & REMEMBER/HONOR & SACRIFICE FLAGS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
<Pending Introduction & Referral>
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= HB 398 CONTROLLED SUBS: DAY CARE/SHELTER/REHAB TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 398(CRA) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
         HB 398-CONTROLLED SUBS: DAY CARE/SHELTER/REHAB                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:04:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK announced that the  only order of business would                                                                
be  HOUSE  BILL   NO.  398,  "An  Act   relating  to  controlled                                                                
substances."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:04:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRAIG  JOHNSON,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  on                                                                
behalf  of  the  House  Rules  Standing  Committee,  sponsor  by                                                                
request, explained  that HB  398 would  extend the  distance for                                                                
drug-free zones surrounding certain public areas.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:05:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ISSAC  SCHLOSSER, Staff,  Representative  Craig Johnson,  Alaska                                                                
State  Legislature,  answered  questions related  to  Amendments                                                                
associated with HB 398                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE said he would not be offering Amendment 1.                                                                
He moved to adopt Amendment 2 to HB 398, labeled 33-LS1553\A.2,                                                                 
C. Radford, 4/28/24, which read:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      Page 1, line 15, following the second occurrence of                                                                       
     "a":                                                                                                                   
          Insert "drug or alcohol"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 16, following "or":                                                                                       
          Insert "drug or alcohol"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
       Page 3, line 7, following the second occurrence of                                                                       
     "a":                                                                                                                   
          Insert "drug or alcohol"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 5, following "or":                                                                                        
          Insert "drug or alcohol"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 23, following "each":                                                                                     
          Insert "drug or alcohol"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:06:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHLOSSER explained Amendment 2.  He said that Amendment 2                                                                  
would specify in statute the difference between a "plan"                                                                        
treatment center and a drug/alcohol treatment center.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK removed his objection. There being no further                                                                   
objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:07:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE moved to adopt Amendment 3 to HB 398,                                                                     
labeled 33-LS1553\A.3, C. Radford, 5/3/24, which read:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, following line 7:                                                                                                  
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
       "* Sec. 5. AS 11.71.900 is amended by adding a new                                                                   
     paragraph to read:                                                                                                         
               (33)  "shelter for the homeless" does not                                                                        
      include a shelter that primarily offers services to                                                                       
     victims of domestic violence."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 22, following "zone";":                                                                                   
          Insert "in this paragraph, "shelter for the                                                                       
      homeless" does not include a shelter that primarily                                                                   
     offers services to victims of domestic violence;"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:07:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHLOSSER explained Amendment 3. He said that Amendment 3                                                                   
would clarify in the bill that domestic violence shelters are                                                                   
not included in the statutory definition for homeless shelters.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK removed his objection.  There being no further                                                                  
objection, Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:08:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT moved to adopt Conceptual Amendment 4                                                                  
to HB 398, labeled 33-LS1553\A.4, C. Radford, 5/6/24, which                                                                     
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 13:                                                                                                           
          Delete the second occurrence of "school"                                                                              
          Insert "[SCHOOL]"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 17:                                                                                                           
          Delete "recreation and youth center"                                                                                  
          Insert "[RECREATION AND YOUTH CENTER]"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 20:                                                                                                           
          Delete "day care"                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 22:                                                                                                           
          Delete "homeless shelter"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 24:                                                                                                           
          Delete "treatment and rehabilitation center"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 28, following "APPLICABILITY.":                                                                               
          Insert "(a)"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, following line 31:                                                                                                 
          Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                      
          "(b)  AS 28.01.010(d), as amended by sec. 5 of                                                                        
       this Act, applies to signs erected on or after the                                                                       
     effective date of this Act."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:08:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT explained that  the proposed conceptual                                                                
amendment would  change the  specifications on  the  signage for                                                                
drug-free zones to ensure that  one standard sign could be used.                                                                
She  added that  the proposed  conceptual amendment  would allow                                                                
existing signs to remain.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:10:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS commented that Conceptual Amendment 4 would                                                                
absolve some of her concerns surrounding cost and logistics.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON added  that Conceptual Amendment 4 was                                                                
a friendly amendment.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:10:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK  removed his  objection. There being  no further                                                                
objection, Conceptual Amendment 4 to Amendment was adopted.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:11:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT moved  to adopt  Conceptual Amendment 5                                                                
to  HB 398,  labeled  33-LS1553\A.5, C.  Radford, 5/6/24,  which                                                                
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, following line 25:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
       "* Sec. 6. AS 28.01.010 is amended by adding a new                                                                   
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
          (k)  At the request of a municipality, the                                                                            
     Department  of  Transportation and  Public  Facilities                                                                     
     shall provide  the municipality  with a  sign required                                                                     
     under  (d)   of  this   section.  The   Department  of                                                                     
     Transportation and Public Facilities may not require a                                                                     
     municipality to  pay for  a  sign provided  under this                                                                     
     subsection."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill section accordingly.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:11:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  explained that Conceptual  Amendment 5                                                                
would  allow municipalities  and boroughs  to go  to  the Alaska                                                                
Department of Transportation and  Public Facilities (DOT&PF) for                                                                
signage needs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:11:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON said the  amendment would add a fiscal                                                                
cost  to the  bill  and encouraged  a "no"  vote  from committee                                                                
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked whether Conceptual Amendment 4 would                                                                
mitigate any cost raised by Conceptual Amendment 5.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT explained that she did not know whether                                                                
Conceptual  Amendment 4  would  lower any  cost  associated with                                                                
Conceptual Amendment  5 and  said she  hoped  that it  would not                                                                
generate a fiscal note.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:13:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked about the potential fiscal impact of                                                                
Conceptual Amendment 5.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON  explained that  the  first drug-free                                                                
zone sign would  be the most expensive and  each subsequent sign                                                                
would be less and less expensive. He emphasized the overall cost                                                                
of the signs by pointing out that it could cost more to ship the                                                                
signs in  the first  place than  to expedite the  fabrication of                                                                
signs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked who originally paid for the signs.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  C. JOHNSON  shared  his  understanding that  the                                                                
associated municipality would have paid for them.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:15:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS  suggested that the  state could  create an                                                                
unfunded  mandate  if no  one  was  to  pay  for the  signs  and                                                                
expressed  her concern  that more  signs would  create one  more                                                                
barrier of  entry to places  for people  in crisis or  people in                                                                
need.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON added  that the hope is for  a cost of                                                                
less than $10,000.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:16:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked  whether a daycare  center could pay                                                                
for a sign on municipal property.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON said it would be the responsibility of                                                                
the municipality to pay for any signs on its own property.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  said  she  was   trying  to  put  the                                                                
responsibility of the  initial cost of  the sign on DOT&PF  as a                                                                
means to take any burden off of the associated the municipality.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK maintained his objection.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:18:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken.  Representatives Himschoot and Mears                                                                
voted in  favor of Amendment  5.   Representatives McKay, Baker,                                                                
Ruffridge, McCabe, and  McCormick voted against  it.  Therefore,                                                                
Amendment 5 failed by a vote of 2-5.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:19:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK opened  public testimony.    After ascertaining                                                                
that no one wished to testify, he closed public testimony.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:20:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  asked   whether  businesses  or  service                                                                
providers associated  with drug-free zones  would be  allowed to                                                                
apply for grants to pay for signs on their property.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON gave  his understanding that the signs                                                                
would likely be too cheap to pay for with a grant.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  commented  that  he  was  envisioning  a                                                                
community-driven initiative  to  acquire signage  for businesses                                                                
and service providers across the state.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:22:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  asked whether  HB 398's  definition of                                                                
daycare centers would include home daycares.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHLOSSER said there is  no definition of daycare in statute                                                                
so  what  a  daycare  center  is  defined  as  would  be  up  to                                                                
interpretation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:23:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE moved to report HB  398, as amended out of                                                                
committee with  individual recommendations and  the accompanying                                                                
fiscal  notes.   There  being no  objection.  CSHB 398(CRA)  was                                                                
reported from the House  Community and Regional Affairs Standing                                                                
Committee.                                                                                                                      

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 398 Sectional Analysis 4.25.24.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398
HB 398 Sponsor Statement 4.25.24.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398
HB 398 Supporting Document #2 4.25.24.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398
HB 398 Supporting Document #1 4.25.24.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398
HB0398A.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398
HB398 Amendment #2 5.6.24.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398
HB398 Amendment #3 5.6.24.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398
Hb398 Amendment #4 5.7.24.pdf HCRA 5/7/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 398