Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

04/19/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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HOUSE BILL NO. 388                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to  state  loans  for  oil  and  gas                                                                   
     projects in  the Cook Inlet sedimentary  basin; relating                                                                   
     to the Alaska  Energy Authority; relating  to the Alaska                                                                   
     Industrial   Development  and   Export  Authority;   and                                                                   
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:48:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TOM MCKAY, SPONSOR,  explained that  the bill                                                                   
was  one of  a "portfolio"  of  bills  designed to  stimulate                                                                   
increased  gas production  in  Cook  Inlet. He  reminded  the                                                                   
committee  that Cook  Inlet served  a closed  market and  was                                                                   
limited to 70  Billion Cubic Feet (bcf) production  per year.                                                                   
He  indicated  that  importing  LNG was  not  possible  until                                                                   
2030.  The legislation  was  intended to  close  the gap.  He                                                                   
summarized that  HB 388 provided  a mechanism  through Alaska                                                                   
Industrial  Development  and  Export  Authority  (AIDEA),  to                                                                   
loan  money  to  operators  in  Cook  Inlet  who  lacked  the                                                                   
resources to drill  new wells in existing and  proven new gas                                                                   
fields. The bill  offered a framework but did  not commit any                                                                   
funding. He read the sponsor statement (copy on file):                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Based  on  the  projected  shortage of  Cook  Inlet  gas                                                                   
     production  in both the near-future  and years  to come,                                                                   
     Southcentral Alaska  risks becoming reliant  on imported                                                                   
     liquefied  natural gas (LNG).  This dependency  not only                                                                   
     threatens to  destabilize our energy prices  but also to                                                                   
     erode the  economic foundations of our  state, impacting                                                                   
     every Alaskan.  HB 388 is  a potential solution  to this                                                                   
     problem and  is designed  to bolster our  state's energy                                                                   
     independence  and economic  stability by leveraging  gas                                                                   
     that  is   in  the  ground   but  not  currently   being                                                                   
     developed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Reserve-Based   Lending  is  an  asset-based   financing                                                                   
     mechanism  in the oil  and gas  industry in which  loans                                                                   
     are made  based on either  undeveloped or  developed and                                                                   
     producing  oil and gas  assets. The  amount of  the loan                                                                   
     is  based on  the value of  the borrower's  oil and  gas                                                                   
     reserves.  This  bill proposes  the  establishment of  a                                                                   
     Cook  Inlet   Reserve-Based  Lending  Fund   to  support                                                                   
     increased  oil   and  gas  production  in   Cook  Inlet,                                                                   
     ensuring   that   we  continue   to   prioritize   local                                                                   
     production    over   expected   costly    LNG   imports.                                                                   
     Recognizing   the  challenges   of  attracting   private                                                                   
     capital  to Cook  Inlet  gas plays,  HB  388 proposes  a                                                                   
     solution  to finance  projects  essential for  enhancing                                                                   
     affordable gas production for Alaskan's.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     This  innovative funding  mechanism will  not only  help                                                                   
     avoid  the potential  economic  impacts associated  with                                                                   
     importing  liquefied  natural  gas,  but also  ensure  a                                                                   
     more   secure  and   self-reliant   energy  future   for                                                                   
     Alaskans.  By  making  prudent,  interest-aligned  loans                                                                   
     against  oil and gas  reserves,  the state can  catalyze                                                                   
     critical     infrastructure    developments,     thereby                                                                   
     safeguarding  and  expanding Cook  Inlet's  contribution                                                                   
     to our energy supply.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     I urge  my colleagues  of the  33rd Legislature  and the                                                                   
     people  of Alaska to  support HB 388  as a  step towards                                                                   
     energy development,  economic resilience, and  the long-                                                                   
     term prosperity of our great state.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:52:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TREVOR JEPSEN,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  TOM MCKAY,  introduced                                                                   
the  PowerPoint  presentation  "HB 388  Cook  Inlet  Reserve-                                                                   
Based  Lending"  dated April  19,  2024  (copy on  file).  He                                                                   
began on Slide 2 titled "Cook Inlet Gas Shortage                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     South  Central will  face an  increasing gas  production                                                                   
     shortage in the coming years                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          ? Fallback solution to Cook Inlet gas is LNG                                                                          
          imports                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          ? LNG imports estimated to be significantly more                                                                      
          expensive, however exact increase is currently                                                                        
          speculative                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jepsen  recounted  that   a  projected  Cook  Inlet  gas                                                                   
shortage  threatened  the  energy  security  of  Southcentral                                                                   
Alaska. A potential  shortfall was expected as  early as 2027                                                                   
increasing  through  2040.  He   cited  the  Ditman  Research                                                                   
opinion  poll   from  July  2023  that   showed  Southcentral                                                                   
residents held a  "high level of opposition"  to imported LNG                                                                   
and  a "high  level of  support"  for implementing  financial                                                                   
incentives  to  increase  Cook  Inlet  gas  production.  Many                                                                   
experts  believed that  gas  imports would  be  significantly                                                                   
more expensive  than locally produced  gas. He  believed that                                                                   
the legislature  owed a solution to Alaska  residents through                                                                   
increased  exploration  and  production.  He pointed  to  the                                                                   
graph  on slide  2 that  portrayed fuel  price forecasts  for                                                                   
the  next  16 years  from  the  Alaska Energy  Authority.  He                                                                   
remarked that  by simply  hoping the  price for imported  LNG                                                                   
would cost  the same  as Cook  Inlet gas  and not  taking any                                                                   
action  was  not  in  the  best   interest  of  Alaskans.  He                                                                   
believed  that HB  388 represented  a  proactive approach  to                                                                   
development  of  Cook  Inlet  gas  reserves.  He  added  that                                                                   
private sector  capital had not  been secured due  to project                                                                   
economics in a highly competitive global market.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jepsen continued  to  slide 3  titled  "Cook Inlet  Gas:                                                                   
Private Capital Attraction Issues                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Expensive, risky, or low rate of return projects have                                                                      
     difficulty in the private market                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     ? Oil and gas projects are highly capital-intensive                                                                        
     investments competing for limited capital in a world                                                                       
     of (relatively) unlimited projects                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ? Nature of Cook Inlet as a stranded gas market                                                                            
     further complicates funding issues for private                                                                             
     investment                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jepsen  voiced  that  the  petroleum  industry  faced  a                                                                   
"complex  global  environment"  engaging in  exploration  and                                                                   
development amidst fluctuating prices and other factors.                                                                        
Financial  institutions  were   confronted  with  limitations                                                                   
related   to   capital   necessitating   collaboration   with                                                                   
entities  that  helped  mitigate  some risk  such  as,  local                                                                   
governments  that   were  stake   holders  in  oil   and  gas                                                                   
development.  He identified  that the  primary issue  in Cook                                                                   
Inlet  gas development  was  attracting  private capital  for                                                                   
"proven and  highly probable reserves."  If only so  much gas                                                                   
a  year  could be  sold,  the  potential  rate of  return  on                                                                   
investment  could decrease due  to the  time value  of money,                                                                   
making a project uneconomical.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jepsen  continued  on  slide   4  titled  "Reserve-Based                                                                   
Lending (RBL)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        o Financing structure for independent oil and gas                                                                       
          companies                                                                                                             
       o "Borrowing-base" type of loan based on the                                                                             
          projected Net Present Value (NPV) of cash flows                                                                       
      generated by the underlying hydrocarbon assets                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        o Began in onshore Texas in the 1970's; use                                                                             
          accelerated for UK North Sea plays in the 1970's                                                                      
          and 1980's                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     o A state-funded RBL program would balance lower                                                                           
          project rates of return against the avoidance of                                                                      
          the impact of higher and unstable energy prices                                                                       
          on Alaskans                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jepsen  explained that repayment  of a RBL  loan happened                                                                   
through the  sale of oil and  gas from the assets.  The value                                                                   
of  RBL  was  periodically  adjusted  to  reflect  shifts  in                                                                   
underlying   assumptions  like   production  volume,   market                                                                   
prices,   evaluation   of   reserves,   taxation,   etc.   He                                                                   
delineated that  RBL was an  established financing  tool with                                                                   
origins in the  United States. The market was  segmented into                                                                   
two  primary regions,  the  U.S. and  International  markets.                                                                   
Due  to   the  Alaska   Constitution,  Alaskan   RBL  lending                                                                   
structures  would mimic  the international  market  structure                                                                   
because the  mineral rights belonged  to the state.  He added                                                                   
that  state funded  RBL financing  would  not necessarily  be                                                                   
for the  full amount of the  project and in many  cases would                                                                   
be one of many financing mechanisms.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Jepsen   continued   on   slide   5   titled   "Reserve                                                                   
Classifications                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        o Not all "reserves" are equal:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               3 classifications: Proven (P1), Probable                                                                         
               (P2), and Possible (P3)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jepsen  elaborated  that  the  deterministic  method  of                                                                   
calculating   reserves   was    based   on   known   geology,                                                                   
technology, and  economic conditions.  The method  employed a                                                                   
single set  of values  that represented  a best estimate  for                                                                   
each  parameter in  order to  estimate reserves  and was  the                                                                   
most  common estimation  technique.  He  delineated that  the                                                                   
probabilistic  method  estimated  reserves  by  incorporating                                                                   
the uncertainty  in key parameters of the  calculation, which                                                                   
resulted  in  a  range of  estimated  reserves  at  different                                                                   
levels   of  probability.   The   method   provided  a   more                                                                   
comprehensive  view of  risk and enabled  decision makers  to                                                                   
better grasp  the range of  outcomes. He determined  that the                                                                   
best  way to  approach reserve  classification was  to use  a                                                                   
combination of  both methods. According  to the chart  on the                                                                   
slide,  he  reported  that  Proved  (P1)  correlated  to  P90                                                                   
reserves,  Probable  (P2)  reserves correlated  to  P50,  and                                                                   
Possible  related to  P10  reserves. He  noted  that a  state                                                                   
funded program  would focus on  proven reserves and  the bill                                                                   
made the distinction.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:00:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
continued  on slide  6  titled "HB  388  Cook Inlet  Reserve-                                                                   
Based Lending                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        o Establishes Cook Inlet Reserve Based Lending fund                                                                     
          under  AIDEA  outside   of  their  revolving  fund;                                                                   
          conforms  fund  to current  AIDEA  dividend  policy                                                                   
          and  defines funding sources.  Also allows  for the                                                                   
          creation of AIDEA subsidiaries to issue loans.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        o Does not specify an appropriation, simply creates                                                                     
          the fund  allowing legislature flexibility  to fund                                                                   
          directed projects                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        o Introduces reporting requirement for AIDEA to                                                                         
          deliver  to  the legislature  at  the beginning  of                                                                   
          each  new session  regarding  potential Cook  Inlet                                                                   
          RBL projects                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        o Funds may be used for reserve-based loans deemed                                                                      
          necessary to  increase oil and gas  production from                                                                   
          the Cook Inlet Sedimentary Basin                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jepsen concluded  that  HB 388  allowed  AIDEA to  issue                                                                   
loans to the  private sector with lower rates  of return than                                                                   
typically allowed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:01:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp   ascertained  that  the   state  would                                                                   
capitalize  an account  and let  companies' loan  on a  state                                                                   
owned asset;  the oil and gas  reserve, and when the  gas was                                                                   
produced, they  would sell it back  to "us." He asked  if his                                                                   
assessment  was fair.  Mr. Jepsen  answered  that they  would                                                                   
receive the  loan based on the  value of the  produced asset.                                                                   
The revenue  and profit were  associated with  extracting the                                                                   
asset,  which was  how the  loan value  would be  calculated.                                                                   
Representative Stapp  inquired as to who owned  the asset. He                                                                   
proposed  that the  state did.  Mr. Jepsen  responded in  the                                                                   
affirmative,  which   was  why  the  lending   structure  was                                                                   
fashioned  after  the international  market  loan  structure.                                                                   
Representative  Stapp  hypothesized  the scenario  of  asking                                                                   
the North  Rim Bank for a  loan using its Anchorage  asset as                                                                   
collateralization  for  the  loan  and paying  back  via  its                                                                   
business model.  He wondered if  he should expect to  get the                                                                   
loan  by using  the  banks asset  as  collateral. Mr.  Jepsen                                                                   
replied  that the  comparison  was  "apples to  oranges"  and                                                                   
that the  two were not comparable.  He voiced that  there was                                                                   
 significant  value  to  gas extraction,  which was  what the                                                                   
loan  was  based  upon.  The  state  could  not  extract  the                                                                   
reserves    itself,    therefore   the    scenario    brought                                                                   
"significant  value" to the  state. He  remarked that  it was                                                                   
necessary  for  a third  party  to  conduct the  activity  to                                                                   
bring the revenues  to the state. Representative  Stapp asked                                                                   
what  happened to  the state's  funding if  the state  "gives                                                                   
them the  money to  develop our  gas and  they go  bankrupt."                                                                   
Mr. Jepsen responded  that there was a level of  risk as with                                                                   
all  loans  and  AIDEA  had the  discretion  to  perform  the                                                                   
financial due diligence.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  McKay  interjected  that  the  bill  did  not                                                                   
authorize  lending  money  to  anyone,  but  it  set  up  the                                                                   
framework  that could be  enacted under  another bill  in the                                                                   
future.  He replied  that  if a  company  went bankrupt,  the                                                                   
assets were  still in  existence and  the likely outcome  was                                                                   
that another  operator would take  over and assume  the loan.                                                                   
The loan  payments were  from the sale  of the produced  gas.                                                                   
He emphasized  that there  was no risk  to the state  with HB
388 and  pointed to  bullet point  4 on  slide 6. He  offered                                                                   
that  the  bill  required  AIDEA to  assess  the  Cook  Inlet                                                                   
situation  and recommend  projects. He  recommended that  the                                                                   
committee  take a  hard look  at the  bill. He  characterized                                                                   
the legislation  as an  evaluation program  to find  out what                                                                   
was available  in Cook  Inlet as  a basis  for a decision  on                                                                   
how to proceed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked whether  AIDEA currently  had any                                                                   
debt or bonds issued to Blue Crest or Furie.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:06:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON  BREFCZYNSKI,  DEPUTY   DIRECTOR,  ALASKA  INDUSTRIAL                                                                   
DEVELOPMENT    AND   EXPORT    AUTHORITY,   ANCHORAGE    (via                                                                   
teleconference),  responded that AIDEA  had a loan  with Blue                                                                   
Crest with  a balance  of $13  million. Representative  Stapp                                                                   
asked  what the  purpose  was of  the  loan. Mr.  Brefczynski                                                                   
answered  that the  purpose was  to finance  the rig and  the                                                                   
man camp.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  McKay   interjected  that  the   rig  drilled                                                                   
several  oil  wells  at  the   Cosmopolitan  field  and  were                                                                   
currently  producing.  He  voiced  that  the  investment  was                                                                   
providing  a  return  to  the   state.  Representative  Stapp                                                                   
responded that  the point  to his inquiry  was the  state was                                                                   
already  providing investment  money.  He  wondered if  there                                                                   
was anything  that prevented  AIDEA from  issuing more  loans                                                                   
to   the  producers.   Mr.  Brefczynski   responded  in   the                                                                   
negative. He expounded  that AIDEA currently has  the ability                                                                   
and  had issued  loans  to finance  Cook  Inlet efforts.  The                                                                   
authority  provided a  loan to  HEX for  $7.5 million,  which                                                                   
was  repaid. He  deduced  that clarity  in  the statutes  was                                                                   
"better"  even though AIDEA  could finance  projects  in Cook                                                                   
Inlet and had the  ability to structure the size  of its debt                                                                   
using a reserve  based model. He appreciated  the clarity the                                                                   
bill offered.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  McKay  added that  there  were two  different                                                                   
fields at  Cosmopolitan: an  oil field and  a gas  field. The                                                                   
rig that  AIDEA provided  money for was  an onshore  oil rig.                                                                   
The  legislation was  focused  on gas  extraction  and was  a                                                                   
completely different project.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  inquired what type of  asset evaluation                                                                   
was performed  when companies  were awarded  loans to  ensure                                                                   
the  loan   would  be  repaid.   He  wondered   if  potential                                                                   
production  was factored  in or the  company's balance  sheet                                                                   
was reviewed.  Mr. Brefczynski  replied that it  included all                                                                   
of the  above. He related  that the "extensive  due diligence                                                                   
process"  included  hiring  a contractor  to  review  assets,                                                                   
review  the  company's  fiscal  model,  and  vetting  through                                                                   
AIDEA's investment committee and board.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:11:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  about slide  6 and referred  to                                                                   
the  second  bullet  specifically   the  language,  "allowing                                                                   
legislature  flexibility to fund  directed projects"  related                                                                   
to the  dividend created. She  asked if the bill  would offer                                                                   
more  legislative authority  to  give direction  internal  to                                                                   
AIDEA's decision making regarding eligible projects.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jepsen responded  that one of the most  important aspects                                                                   
of the  bill was  the reporting  mandate that required  AIDEA                                                                   
to  review Cook  Inlet  Reserve  Based Lending  projects.  He                                                                   
indicated  that the  provision  was not  in current  statute.                                                                   
The  projects were  evaluated  by  such measures  as  project                                                                   
cost  estimate, potential  recoverable  gas,  and the  amount                                                                   
necessary to  be appropriated to  the fund. The  bullet point                                                                   
addressed  the  created  fund that  offered  the  legislature                                                                   
flexibility   to  fund  the   projects  analyzed   by  AIDEA.                                                                   
Representative  Hannan  relayed  that  she  consistently  was                                                                   
asked  why the  legislature did  not  direct projects  within                                                                   
AIDEA.  She understood  the legislature  could  not make  the                                                                   
decisions regarding  AIDEA's loans. She ascertained  that the                                                                   
bill created  the flexibility  for the legislature  to decide                                                                   
which Cook  Inlet RBL projects  should be funded.  Mr. Jepsen                                                                   
responded  in the  affirmative.  Representative Hannan  asked                                                                   
if it  would limit  the projects  to only  those included  in                                                                   
AIDEA's  report. Mr.  Jepsen  answered  that the  legislation                                                                   
did  not replace  AIDEA's  current  RBL lending  ability.  He                                                                   
furthered  that  for  most  of the  projects  AIDEA  was  not                                                                   
making  RBL  type  loans  because   they  did  not  meet  the                                                                   
fiduciary responsibility  due to  lower rates of  return. The                                                                   
legislature  could  choose  to   capitalize  these  types  of                                                                   
projects via the authority in the bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:14:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson   reported    that   historically,                                                                   
AIDEA's  returns  had  only  been  in  the  3  percent  range                                                                   
anyway.  He pointed  to the  first  bullet point  on slide  6                                                                   
focusing  on the  language  "Establishes  Cook Inlet  Reserve                                                                   
Based Lending  fund under  AIDEA outside  of their  revolving                                                                   
fund;" He  asked if the revolving  fund was the  typical loan                                                                   
fund with  funds lending out  and loan payments  repaying the                                                                   
fund.   Mr.  Brefczynski   responded   in  the   affirmative.                                                                   
Representative  Josephson  asked if  AIDEA  had "hundreds  of                                                                   
millions of dollars"  of unencumbered funds.  Mr. Brefczynski                                                                   
replied  that AIDEA  had a  "cash  position" but  also had  a                                                                   
project  pipeline in  the range  of $400 to  $500 million  of                                                                   
potential   projects.  He   reported  that   the  money   was                                                                   
accounted for.  Representative Josephson  asked if  a portion                                                                   
of the unencumbered  funding would be incumbered  for the RBL                                                                   
program   in   the   bill.   Mr.    Brefczynski   asked   for                                                                   
clarification.  Representative  Josephson  assumed that  some                                                                   
of  AIDEA's unencumbered  loan  funds  would  shrink to  some                                                                   
degree  for the  purposes of Cook Inlet RBL.  Mr. Brefczynski                                                                   
responded  that it  would only  be  if the  board decided  to                                                                   
move its  own receipts into the  RBL fund for an  active loan                                                                   
application.  He furthered  that if the  legislature  were to                                                                   
appropriate general  fund (GF) money  to the fund  the amount                                                                   
would be  designated only  for RBL. Representative  Josephson                                                                   
asked  that if  the legislature  approved  a recommended  RBL                                                                   
the  funding  would   be  AIDEA  dollars  and   not  GF.  Mr.                                                                   
Brefczynski  answered that  the  funding could  be either  or                                                                   
AIDEA funding  or GF.  He voiced that  for the likelihood  of                                                                   
AIDEA  to  approve a  loan  below  market interest  rates  it                                                                   
would likely  need GF funding.  The authority was  subject to                                                                   
the  prudent  investor  rule   and  other  policies  and  was                                                                   
limited in  supporting loans  below interest rates.  However,                                                                   
in  the  past,  the legislature  had  appropriated  money  to                                                                   
AIDEA  for  the   Interior  Gas  Utility  (IGU)   project  in                                                                   
Fairbanks at a lower market rate.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:20:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  summarized   that  a  private  company                                                                   
would collateralize  the state's  asset, lend state  money to                                                                   
the company  by net present cash  value repaying the  loan in                                                                   
sales  to   the  state.  He   wondered  what   mechanism  was                                                                   
available  to limit  the  company's  profit margin  from  the                                                                   
system he described.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  McKay responded  that the  company would  not                                                                   
sell the product  to the state. He communicated  that the gas                                                                   
would be  sold to utilities and  the company would  repay the                                                                   
loan  from  the  sales  revenue.   The  utilities  price  was                                                                   
regulated by the  Regulatory Commission of Alaska  (RCA), and                                                                   
he  doubted that  a windfall  profit  situation could  result                                                                   
from the  provisions in the  bill. He reminded  the committee                                                                   
that  the  Regulatory  Commission  of  Alaska  regulated  the                                                                   
price of  gas produced in Cook  Inlet and sold  to utilities.                                                                   
Representative  Stapp  referred  to the  price  controls.  He                                                                   
deemed that the  problem with the demand was at  the end user                                                                   
point  of sale.  He wondered  if  there was  a higher  profit                                                                   
margin via  the utilities paying  more money for  gas whether                                                                   
it would make  the economics of the project  more valuable to                                                                   
the  producers.   Representative  McKay  could   not  predict                                                                   
future  gas  prices  in  Cook Inlet.  He  believed  that  gas                                                                   
produced in Cook  Inlet would be cheaper than  importing LNG.                                                                   
He commented  on other  legislation put  forward to  mitigate                                                                   
the  situation that  included  royalty relief.  He viewed  HB
388  as  another  way  to  incentivize  more  gas  production                                                                   
activity in  Cook Inlet  if the  royalty relief bills  failed                                                                   
to  increase  production.  He  warned  that  if  the  private                                                                   
sector  lost interest  and left  Cook Inlet  the state  would                                                                   
have  to  operate an  Alaska  oil  and  gas company.  He  was                                                                   
attempting to  design bills that  left the work in  the hands                                                                   
of  the private  sector  while  the  state assisted  via  the                                                                   
financial  aspect.  He  maintained  that  the  bill  did  not                                                                   
currently commit  any funds.  The bill facilitated  determing                                                                   
how  much  more gas  could  be  produced  in Cook  Inlet  and                                                                   
whether it was worth investing in the private sector.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:24:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp wondered  why  the state  did not  just                                                                   
purchase a  jackup rig. He asked  if the state  had purchased                                                                   
a rig  in the past.  Mr. Jepsen  answered in the  affirmative                                                                   
and added  that the  Endeavor rig  was roughly $140  million,                                                                   
and the state's portion was $20 million.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:25:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  DAVIS,  ATTORNEY,  ALASKA  INDUSTRIAL  DEVELOPMENT  AND                                                                   
EXPORT AUTHORITY,  ANCHORAGE (via teleconference),  confirmed                                                                   
that  the rig  cost $140  million and  AIDEA contributed  $23                                                                   
million and made  a return on the investment.  Representative                                                                   
Stapp asked  what happened  to the  rig. Mr. Davis  responded                                                                   
that  it was  moved to  South Africa  by one  of the  state's                                                                   
partners  that purchased  the state's  portion. He  furthered                                                                   
that   while  in   operation,  the   state  drilled   several                                                                   
abatement  holes and determined  that some  of the  areas did                                                                   
not  contain  oil  and  gas  reserves.  He  voiced  that  RBL                                                                   
created  a   borrowing  base   rather  than  resource   based                                                                   
lending.  Representative  Stapp  asked  if  the  state  could                                                                   
bring back  the rig.  Mr. Davis answered  that if  would need                                                                   
to be purchased.  He noted that there was  another jackup rig                                                                   
in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative McKay  did not think  it was advisable  to buy                                                                   
large  marine   drilling  equipment  which   had  significant                                                                   
liability.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:27:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB  388  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in  committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the agenda for the following                                                                           
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB388 Presentation ver. D 4.12.24.pdf HFIN 4/19/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 388
HB388 Sponsor Statement ver. D 4.12.24.pdf HFIN 4/19/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 388
HB388 Sectional Analysis ver. D 4.12.24.pdf HFIN 4/19/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 388
HB388 Summary of Changes (S to D) 4.12.24.pdf HFIN 4/19/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 388
HB 74 Public Testimony Rec'd by 042524.pdf HFIN 4/19/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 74