Legislature(2009 - 2010)BARNES 124
03/19/2010 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE
| Audio | Topic |
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| Start | |
| HB282 | |
| HB383 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| += | HB 282 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 383 | TELECONFERENCED | |
HB 383-TRANSFER CERTAIN DNR DUTIES TO DCCED
3:51:43 PM
CHAIR OLSON announced that the final order of business would be
HOUSE BILL NO. 383, "An Act relating to the powers and duties of
the Department of Natural Resources, including transferring
certain powers and duties to the Department of Commerce,
Community, and Economic Development."
3:51:47 PM
REPRESENTATIVE JAY RAMRAS, Alaska State Legislature, Juneau,
Alaska, stated he is passionate about agriculture and owns a
commercial greenhouse. He related that he grew over 5,000
pounds of tomatoes and employs Future Farmers of America (FFA)
youth in his greenhouse operation. Many legislators have viewed
his hydroponic growing operation. He has been working with
scientists and professors to teach children to grow tomatoes and
lettuce. He has toured the Matanuska-Susitna Valley and
supports Made in Alaska and Alaska Grown groups. He is
cognizant of the Division of Agriculture within the DNR. He
paraphrased from his sponsor statement [original punctuation
provided]:
The Department of Natural Resources is one of Alaska's
largest departments. It oversees the most significant
and lucrative resource base in the state: oil and gas.
The Division of Oil & Gas budget, combined with
budgets for gas pipeline development and Petroleum
Systems Integrity, exceeds $18 million. DNR has many
other jurisdictions, from mining and timber to parks
and recreation, but clearly oil and gas development
and land management are DNR's most important focus.
Most Alaskans would agree that oversight of Alaska's
most lucrative resource, the lifeblood of the state
budget, is an appropriate focus for the department.
The Division of Agriculture is currently under the
auspices of DNR. Unfortunately, with the immensity and
power of DNR's focus on oil and gas, it may be
unwittingly overlooking the Division of Agriculture.
For many years farmers and ranchers in Alaska have
expressed concern that the Division of Agriculture -
as a relatively small division - simply does not get
the attention it needs. Agriculture is a significant
industry in Alaska, but there is room for expansion.
Farms in Alaska cover more than 900,000 acres in five
boroughs and in 2008 that acreage had an approximate
value of $22,700,000. Yet only three percent of
Alaska's food is grown in our state. Many Alaskans
believe that the Division of Agriculture could better
meet its mission "to encourage and promote development
of an agriculture industry in the State" if the
division found a home in a smaller, less diversified
agency with a mission more compatible with its own.
The Department of Commerce, Community & Economic
Development most fits the bill. Not only does DCCED
share a similar mission, "promoting a strong economy
and healthy communities," it also has valuable
expertise in marketing Alaska products, promoting
economic and industrial development, and managing
revolving loan funds. This expertise will be an asset
to the Division of Agriculture as it works to enhance
and promote an agriculture industry in Alaska. HB 383
proposes to move the Division of Agriculture to the
DCCED where it will get the support and attention
needed to fulfill its mission.
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS offered that the Division of Agriculture
is best served in the DCCED. He related that 40 years ago, from
1962 to 1968 Sig Restad was the director. The Division of
Agriculture as the poor stepchild of DNR is not new. The DNR's
focus is on mining and land and not on agriculture.
3:55:48 PM
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS advocated for a smaller, less diversified
agency. He explained that 13 years ago Representative James
created the Division of Agriculture. This bill does not
dismantle the division or close any offices or jobs, nor does it
change the Agricultural Revolving Loan Fund (ARLF) which remains
the same, he stated. The mission is also the same. The bill
proposes to move the Division of Agriculture to the DCCED where
it will get the support and attention needed to fulfill its
mission.
4:00:53 PM
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH referred to page 3, line 22 to proposed
section 5, and related that elk is singled out. He noted that
musk ox and other species are also raised in Alaska.
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS said he was not sure.
MARGARET DOWLING, Staff, Representative Jay Ramras, Alaska State
Legislature, explained that no changes were made to the
function. She said that it lifted out DNR and replaced it with
DCCED in each place in this chapter. She offered that there are
no substantive changes.
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH asked whether there is any intent to change
the statutes.
MS. DOWLING answered no.
4:03:18 PM
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON offered her belief that agriculture
needs more attention in the state. She asked whether the
regulation of cheese would be done by this division.
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS offered that Department of Environmental
Conservation (DEC) regulates different types of things. He
hoped that this bill would lead to meaningful discussions. He
would like to see an agriculture caucus to discuss these types
of issues.
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON understood an ARLF program exists and
asked if that component would also be transferred.
MS. DOWLING agreed. She pointed out that there are not any
changes to the structure of the ARLF. The ARLF is lifted intact
and would be moved to a different department.
4:04:54 PM
MS. DOWLING, in response to Representative T. Wilson, reiterated
that the program would not be changed. She elaborated that
other programs the Division of Agriculture manages, including
Plant Materials Center, the Alaska Grown and other components of
the Division of Agriculture would be transferred to DCCED.
4:05:56 PM
BERNIE KARL, President, Farm Bureau; Chena Fresh, Chena Hot
Springs, related that the Division of Agriculture has been an
"ugly stepchild." He said he is personally involved with
agriculture. He applauded the work the director of the Division
of Agriculture has done. Alaska only "grows two percent of the
food we eat." He stressed the importance of growing food. Last
year, America imported 40 percent of our food. Alaska should
"lead this parade" in food security for ourselves. Alaska
should be the breadbasket and has the ability to do so. He does
not view agriculture as moving forward in the state. He related
that oil and gas are important and He thinks the Division of
Agriculture will be a shining star in DCCED. He did not see any
downside risk.
4:09:24 PM
MR. KARL reiterated that Alaska only grows "two percent of what
we eat." Alaska has land and a good growing season. Chena Hot
Springs has two greenhouses based on knowledge acquired from the
University of Alaska Fairbanks. He applauded the professors and
said they are "great". He related that Fairbanks is growing
food at minus 60 degrees. He said, "The brightest and best
times are ahead for Alaska. But it is not as business as usual.
We need to reinvent ourselves. We need to think to the future."
He added an aside that the state needs to build the "bullet
line."
4:10:47 PM
CHAIR OLSON offered his congratulations on his upcoming award.
4:10:59 PM
JEFF WARNER, State Director, Future Farmers of America (FFA),
stated Alaska has the ability to feed the state and provide
materials to process milk and feed our livestock. He offered
his belief that the FFA is the future of Alaska. Alaska has 365
million acres, and sufficient revenues, but does not have
adequate programs to teach young people how to develop the
industries. He stated that Alaska needs a progressive
agricultural industry throughout Alaska. Many areas of the
state including Ruby, Nome, Kotzebue, and many rural communities
should grow their own food. He commented on his own
opportunities in the Interior. He appreciates what the Division
of Agriculture has done, but believes it needs to be taken to
the next step and make agriculture a viable economic resource
for Alaska. He stated that agriculture is one of the largest
employers nationwide but one of the smallest employers in
Alaska. He explained that Alaska has a vulnerable three-day
food supply on our shelves and Alaska needs to take steps to
grow its own food. He offered his support for HB 383.
4:15:50 PM
TYSON FICK, Legislative Liaison, Office of the Commissioner,
Department of Commerce, Community, & Economic Development
(DCCED), stated that this bill would lift the Division of
Agriculture as a unit, under the direction of DCCED, but a
number of technical issues would need to be addressed. The
DCCED would like time to work through those issues. The mission
of DNR is to develop, conserve, and enhance natural resources
for present and future Alaskans. The DCCED's mission is to
promote a healthy economy and strong communities. He was not
certain how the proposed change would affect the Division of
Agriculture, whose mission is to promote and develop an
agriculture industry in the state. The DCCED and DNR work
together on issues such as coastal zone management, and coastal
impact assistance. The relationship has benefited from clear
roles and responsibilities. He stated that the DCCED welcomes
greater inter-departmental coordination. The DCCED Office of
Economic Development has industry advocates in mining,
fisheries, tourism, timber, and the recently revitalized film
office. The DCCED observes efforts of the Alaska Grown farm
products marketing program. The DCCED believes much could be
achieved without the wholesale move of the division. The DCCED
has extensive experience in managing loan funds, administered by
the Division of Investments. The DCCED has experience in
federal and state grant programs. He suggested the Plant
Materials Research Center and the Mt. McKinley Meat and Sausage
(MMM&S) may be odd fits for DCCED. The Plant Materials Research
Center grows native grass seed for re-vegetation and runs a
full-scale research farm. In many states this would be a
function of the university system. The Mt. McKinley Meat and
Sausage (MMM&S) is managed by DNR but is processed by
correctional facilities. He looked forward to working with the
DNR on the Division of Agriculture issues.
4:19:41 PM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES asked if the department has a position on
the bill.
MR. FICK related that the issue is a policy discussion and the
DCCED has no position on the bill.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES referred to the fiscal notes, which appear
to take budget of one and move to the other.
MR. FICK agreed the budget was simply transferred to DCCED.
4:20:49 PM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES assumed there would be some additional
one-time costs for stationary and other costs.
MR. FICK stated that is "not fleshed out."
4:21:21 PM
MR. FICK, in response to Representative T. Wilson, restated
DNR's mission, which is to develop, conserve, and enhance
natural resources for present and future Alaskans. The DCCED's
mission is to promote a healthy economy and strong communities.
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON said she thought the Division of
Agriculture would better fit the DCCED's mission. She asked
whether he thought the Division of Agriculture received enough
attention.
MR. FICK said he could not offer an opinion since he works for
DCCED.
4:22:20 PM
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON said, "I guess I'm going to go kind of
where Bernie was going. If it doesn't work, you could always
give it back, is that not true?"
MR. FICK related that it is the legislature's decision.
4:22:59 PM
PETER FELLMAN stated that while he is currently staff to
Representative John Harris, he is testifying today as a farmer.
He came to Alaska to farm, but agriculture was at its lowest
point in 1987. He recalled the failures that were listed in the
paper. He referred to a study on megaprojects that highlighted
$190 million was spent on agriculture in Alaska. Much of the
money was used to clear land, put in roads and power lines, and
ready it for farming, he stated. He offered his belief that
very little money was spent and not much loss has been sustained
since the land is still there and some of it is still being
farmed. He thought the problem was that the Division of
Agriculture was micromanaged. The DNR or Division of
Agriculture mandated how big farmers needed to build their barns
and how many cows they should milk instead of allowing the
farmers to make prudent decisions about their farms. Thus,
bottlenecks occurred. In 1977, Alaska was producing more meat,
chicken, meat, wool, eggs, and hay crops than it does today.
According to the USDA statistics Alaska out-produced then what
it is currently produces today.
MR. FELLMAN said, "We threw this money at it. We had land open
up and we had willing farmers. The fact is that you can farm in
Alaska." He restated that farming is possible in Alaska and
people will buy their products.
4:26:09 PM
MR. FELLMAN offered his belief that the problem "boils down" to
marketing, regulations, and the way government has chosen to
invest in agriculture. With respect to marketing, farmers will
farm and people have to eat. The hang-up is the marketing in
the middle. He thought money could be invested in
infrastructure, such as a flash freezing plant so farmers could
rent the facility. The state puts money into roads and fish
hatcheries, but agriculture is also good for the people. He
offered that the farmers do not need regulations that will
inhibit people from producing. Agriculture needs departments
that work together to develop regulations specifically for
Alaska. Alaska does not export food so the DNR, DEC, and the
Division of Agriculture should work with the farmers to enhance
farming to streamline the process.
4:28:33 PM
MR. FELLMAN said, "If it was me, and I was sitting on the top,
I'd be selling Alaska as the last stronghold of the family
farm." In some ways, Alaska is 50 to 100 years behind the Lower
48 but Alaska has a closed market, virgin soil, clean land, and
a clean environment. He offered that Alaska does not need
corporate farming. He said, "We need to have family farms and
you start those by allowing the departments to work together.
He was unsure whether the Division of Agriculture should be
moved to DCCED. He said, "I do not know all the answers to that
one. I do know I've been in this since 1987, and nothing has
changed. We still have the same problems today that we had in
1987. Maybe we can kick this thing a little bit, spur the
horse, and get it moving again." He was not sure moving the
division was necessary but he thought it was worth discussing.
4:29:50 PM
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON asked whether the agricultural
community is getting what it needs in DNR to be more viable.
MR. FELLMAN expressed concern. He recalled some questions that
were raised during the administration's transition, such as "Why
shouldn't we just let agriculture die?" He related that farmers
do not ask for handouts. He stated that if someone is regulated
to the point that it is necessary to invest $350,000 for a small
milk facility, the repayment schedule is several thousand
dollars per month. He said, "You can't milk 20 cows or 20 goats
to reach that kind of payback." Thus, overregulation means the
farmer must have more land or equipment, which has "broke" a lot
of farms. He described his own farming experience, in which his
240 acres of land was forested. The state required the land be
cleared in five years. He had to borrow funds to clear the land
to meet the regulations. He then had to milk more cows, obtain
hired help, and buy bigger equipment, which simply became a
cycle. He blamed regulations. He suggested allowing farming to
start small and build. Thus, the market would be secure and
farmers could make their payments.
4:33:13 PM
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON asked whether he saw any harm with the
transition.
MR. FELLMAN said, "Well, I guess we could always move it back if
it doesn't work."
4:33:28 PM
FRANCI HEGELMEISER, Director, Division of Agriculture,
Department of Natural Resources (DNR), thanked the sponsor for
introducing the bill, which fosters an open discussion about the
agriculture industry in Alaska. She related that agriculture
has been her family's life, that her husband's family has been
actively involved with agriculture since 1935, when the
colonists came to Palmer. She would like to see her children
appreciate the opportunities that agriculture can bring to
Alaska. She acknowledged that there may be benefits to keep the
division as it is, but these are policy calls. The goals have
been outlined in the division's ten year plan. The sponsor
asked for five issues the agriculture community could benefit.
The division has a long term plan called, "Building a
Sustainable Agriculture Industry." This plan was compiled last
year. The top areas addressed in the plan include increased
marketing, including educating consumers on the health benefits
of locally grown food.
MS. HEGELMEISER suggested that the Division of Agriculture lacks
infrastructure development, needs outreach education and
recruiting. The division continues to partner with agricultural
youth education. Our children are at least two generations
removed from the farm. The average age of Alaskan farmers is
57. She said, "It is imperative that our young people know that
their food does not come from the grocery store and in saran
wrap and may gain the expertise needed to produce food for
future generations." Continued support was mentioned by
industry for the plant materials center, which is the research
and development arm of the Division of Agriculture and the
primary purpose is the production of high quality seed. Another
area of interest that was reiterated within the industry is the
continued support of the ARLF. This is a vital way to provide
funds for land development, provides funds for operating loans,
and is an important piece of the agriculture community.
4:37:02 PM
PAUL HUBERT, Owner, Palmer Produce, stated that he is 100
percent in support of the legislation. He related that he has
been involved in the since 1950s in farming operations. He
markets wholesale. He heard criticisms of regulations, which
are primarily federal regulations. He said it is important that
inspections be done in the state and farmers cannot market to
the entities without providing wholesome food. He stated that
he markets for small growers that produce rhubarb, lettuce,
cabbage, and potatoes. He services the Railbelt area from
Fairbanks to Anchorage. He ships products and lamented the
shipping costs to rural Alaska, such as to St. Marys. He used
the ARLF for loans and repaid the loans which were used to build
several warehouses and put in a vacuum cooling system. He said,
"We can take 150 cases of head lettuce and chill it from 80
degrees, and 15 minutes later the temperature is 34 degrees."
He stated that keeping in tune with the market is critical. He
follows the market by tracking the USDA. He stated that the
Division of Agriculture has been "a second cousin." He related
his involvement. He said he had a fellow say that you cannot
make long-range plans with short-range economic studies. He
related that if the Division of Agriculture is transferred, that
all agriculture classified lands also be transferred. He asked
to have the agriculture lands preserved for the future.
4:42:34 PM
AL POINDEXTER, Owner, Anchor Point Greenhouse, stated that he
produces two potting soils called Fishy Peat and Alaska Earth.
He grows bedding plants and produce. He has been a teacher for
20 years and worked with the FFA. He said he was born in 1948
in Seward. He stated he has been involved in agriculture his
whole life. He thought that the Division of Agriculture should
be a department. He suggested that the agriculture statutes
need work. He also suggested that the ARLF and Board of
Agriculture and Conservation should be addressed. The board's
only authority is to accept or deny loan applications and it has
no other authority. Soil conservation should be part of
agriculture and should also be moved. He encouraged members to
provide for education. He said the Division of Agriculture
promotes FFA and 4-H, but monetarily does not have any support.
The department does not promote education. He offered his
belief that education is important to obtain jobs and become
entrepreneurs.
4:46:51 PM
MR. POINDEXTER related that some FFA members have become
landscapers, environmental engineers, or grow potatoes. He
thought the FFA could help provide jobs for others. He said he
believes there are lots of opportunities. He suggested the
statute should address land scholarships that could be offered
to those students graduating from programs, who could obtain a
ten-acre parcel to start a small family farm. He recalled in
the late 1950s there was a chicken farm operating in Seward.
The company provided fresh eggs to the Railbelt. He recalled
that Aniak had a farm. He offered his belief that what happened
was oil and gas industry needed skilled workers and the farmers
provided the necessary skills. He stated that since then the
state has not educated or promoted future generations to move
forward. He supported HB 383.
4:49:51 PM
BRICE WRIGLEY, President, Alaska Farm Bureau, Delta Junction,
stated that the Division of Agriculture is in the shadow of oil
and gas. He stated that the agriculture community has had the
sense that the DNR has not had time to adequately address the
development of agriculture since it is preoccupied with oil and
gas. Governor Hammond's job opportunities laid out a ten year
plan. In 1982, Delta lost the crop due to an early snow. Thus,
the government "threw the baby out with the bath water." In
reality, any place where food is grown has natural weather
challenges. Alaska has not developed an agriculture culture.
Everywhere else, agriculture was the basis for civilization.
The support for development of agriculture died out in the
1980s. He supports HB 383 since Alaska needs to establish a
priority to feed our citizens. The state needs to feed its
citizens. A disruption in the transportation system can create
problems. He attended a conference and people asked whether it
would be better to move the Division of Agriculture. He said
that based on past 30 years, the Division of Agriculture would
continue to scratch. He suggested that the Division of
Agriculture remains intact. He would like to see inspections of
meat, milk, and cheese moved back to the Division of
Agriculture. He agreed the lands designated as agriculture
lands held by DNR should move with the Division of Agriculture.
The lands are not productive and have not contributed to
economic stability as state lands. Agriculture is a business
and DCCED is logical place to "move a business forward."
4:55:53 PM
RICHARD GATIS, Owner, Gatis Farms, stated that he has been in
operation 10 years. Last year his farm produced 600 tons of
timothy hay for livestock. He cleared the land and since he has
an income as a full-time airline captain, he can afford to be a
farmer. He testified in favor of the change from DNR to DCCED.
The "status quo" is not working. He offered his belief that it
is important that the state define goals for domestic and export
production. One problem is a lack of economy of scale, with
little cooperation. It costs more to be a farmer in Alaska and
Alaska has a disadvantage due to shipping costs. He recalled
that California's real estate taxes were based on the production
value of the land versus the land value. Grazing lands were
taxed at low rates making for land retention feasible. The cost
of land and taxes makes it difficult to have a sustainable farm.
He suggested low interest loans and incentives for good payment
history. He said "the squeaky wheel got the grease." He stated
that when agriculture is run like a business, with a reasonable
return on investment, "then and only then will Ag move forward
and grow."
4:59:25 PM
LYNN GATIS, Gatis Farms, stated that her family currently
produces hay. She said, "As a lifelong Alaska, I've been
concerned that agriculture in the State of Alaska has been
underutilized." She would like the state to have a plan for
people and animals in case of a catastrophic emergency. She
offered her belief the Division of Agriculture should be run in
a business-like fashion, in which leadership and planning allows
Alaskan farmers to know the direction. She supports moving from
DNR to DCCED. She said, "I believe Representative Ramras is on
the right track to keeping the budget and staffing intact and
just moving it." She stated that sometimes "change" is a
catalyst for growth.
5:00:35 PM
ROBERT SHUMAKER stated that he is a Matanuska-Susitna Valley
farmer and has worked with the 4-H and FFA program. He works on
300 acres of hay, has raised pigs for 20 years, milks dairy
cows, raises chickens, and does a variety of farming. He has a
three-acre garden and will participate in three local markets
and booths. The Division of Agriculture has always helped. He
said, "I'm having trouble understanding why everybody keeps
giving the division a black eye." The DCCED markets and
promotes tourism, which is declining and promotes seafood. He
asked what the DCCED could do for agriculture, which is a
natural resource. He offered his belief that it is necessary to
distinguish between real estate and agriculture. He said he is
the president of the Alaska Farmers Union, whose 30 members are
completely comprised of farmers. He shared some board comments,
including the following: We should chew on this idea. The bill
does not look like a priority for anyone except the
representative that promoted it. Their gut reaction is to
oppose the bill. The biggest question is what the reason is for
the change. His members believe that agriculture is still a
renewable resource, and should stay under the DNR. He disagreed
that the DNR focuses only on oil and gas. He related that the
DNR gave a presentation on agriculture lands, the potential of
agriculture lands, and offered his belief that the department is
in touch with agriculture. He viewed the problem as
underfunding the Division of Agriculture. He related his
understanding that the ARLF fund was used to fund operations,
including paying salaries instead of providing loans. He
maintained that the legislature needs to fund the Division of
Agriculture. He did not think relocating the division is a
"move in the right direction." He recalled prior testimony that
the outcome of the Mt. McKinley Meat & Sausage (MMM&S) and Plant
Materials Center is uncertain if the Division of Agriculture is
relocated to the DCCED. He said that kids sell their farm
animals after the state fair and the farm animals are
slaughtered in Palmer. He said that the answer is not to move
the Division of Agriculture but to adequately fund it. He
appreciated the time and comments made today. He related that
farmers are working to build an industry and he thought some
information was a little misleading. He said, "There may be
900,000 acres in agriculture, but I can guarantee you the
biggest majority of that is in reindeer herding. To you that
may be farming, but most of us down here don't have a farm that
big." He thanked the committee.
5:06:21 PM
CHAIR OLSON, after first determining no one else wished to
testify, closed public testimony on HB 383.
[HB 383 was held over.]
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| HB282 POM Marjorie Richards 3-13-10.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB282 Letter AAFP 3-15-10.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB282 Letter Abby Laing.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB282 Letter Tom Laing.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB282 Letter Wayne Aderhold 3-1-10.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB383 version A.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 383 |
| HB383-Fiscal Note DNR-AG-03-15-10.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 383 |
| HB383 Fiscal Note-CED-COM-03-15-10.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 383 |
| Mar 19 Packet Info.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
|
| CSHB282 ver C.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB282 Letter Tanana Valley Clinic.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB282 Letter Tanana Clinic Letter-RX Attachment.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB282 Letter (2) Wayne Aderhold.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 282 |
| HB383 Sponsor Statement ver A.pdf |
HL&C 3/19/2010 3:15:00 PM |
HB 383 |