Legislature(1997 - 1998)
04/22/1998 09:08 AM Senate HES
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HB 367 - PART-TIME PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENT ENROLLMENT
CHAIRMAN WILKEN announced a committee substitute to HB 367 was
prepared.
SENATOR LEMAN moved to adopt SCSHB 367(HES), version B, as the
working document before the committee.
CHAIRMAN WILKEN explained language was added on page 1, line 14,
and page 2, lines 1-3, to address the issue of double counting. The
new language will prevent a student from being counted as more than
one FTE. This change has the approval of DOE and Representative
Dyson, the bill sponsor.
There being no objection to the adoption of SCSHB 367(HES),
CHAIRMAN WILKEN noted the motion carried.
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JOHN CYR, President of the National Education Association - Alaska
(NEAA), made the following comments about SCSHB 367(HES). When
this issue first surfaced last year, and a similar bill passed the
Legislature, NEA took no position on the bill. NEA does not oppose
private school students being allowed to attend public schools, as
long as the money follows those students. The problem NEA has with
this bill is the language on page 9 that states, "... or require
that part-time students be enrolled after full-time student
enrollment is completed." Mr. Cyr explained he taught advanced
placement U.S. history, which was a very competitive class with a
waiting list, at Wasilla High School. The class could not
accommodate all of the interested full-time students. That same
situation is occurring in a number of public high schools in Alaska
in honors and advanced placement classes. He thought it is only
fair that full-time students get first shot at those classes,
however, SCSHB 367(HES) gives a preference to students who attend
part-time. If that provision of the bill can be changed, NEA has
no problem with the bill.
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked Mr. Cyr if the NEAA position paper he
submitted addresses that issue.
MR. CYR said the position paper does.
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON joined committee members at the table.
SENATOR LEMAN referred to page 2 of the NEAA position paper, and
specifically to the section which read:
"This development causes us a concern over the break in the
law on separation of church and state. Article VII, Section
1, of our Constitution provides, 'No money shall be paid from
public funds for the direct benefit of any religious or other
private educational institution.'"
Senator Leman asked Mr. Cyr if he was defining that provision of
the Constitution as a law pertaining to the separation of church
and state.
MR. CYR replied, "I believe when it says, 'No money should be paid
from public funds for the direct benefit of any religious or other
private educational institution,' that does have to do with the
separation of church and state. It seems to me if we provide the
kind of benefit that we're talking about, and what it does is it
enhances the position of private schools. They don't have to
provide those kinds of honors' courses that they would otherwise
have to provide for their students. They can be taken in the
public school. We see that as a problem."
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SENATOR LEMAN commented he recently watched the finals basketball
game in the 3A championship between Eielson and Anchorage Christian
School. That game mutually benefitted both public and private
school students. He stated that mixture of students occurs in
other activities as well and that Alaska is well served when those
types of activities occur.
MR. CYR stated NEAA is supportive of private schools in that aspect
and it believes that parents should have the right to send their
child to private school, if they wish to do so. NEAA does not
believe it is appropriate for the state to provide benefits for
private school students that may supplant students in the public
schools. He emphasized if the classroom space was available, no
one would oppose this issue but public school students who compete
to get into classes might be turned away because a part-time
student wants to enroll.
SENATOR LEMAN stated the net result in Mr. Cyr's example would be
the same, provided the part-time student met the academic rigor.
MR. CYR said we do not know that. If the state wants to begin to
track and hold private schools responsible for curriculum and
grading decisions in the same way that public schools are held
responsible, then private schools will no longer be private.
Public school administrators do not know what an "A" or a "B" grade
means in another school. He added the process to get into some of
the upper level honors classes in public schools begins early.
SENATOR LEMAN pointed out that there are 94 part-time students in
the Anchorage School District out of 48,000, so the bill will apply
to a fairly small number of students. He believes we can advance
the level of education in Alaska by making language, chemistry, or
other classes available. If a student became a chemical engineer
and Alaska played a part in making that possible by providing
classes to part-time students, that would be consistent with the
objectives of providing for an education system in Alaska.
MR. CYR commented that this issue is about the problems some
parents have had with the Anchorage School District. He cautioned
that the approach taken in HB 367 to remedy that problem is similar
to using nuclear weapons to drive tacks.
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REPRESENTATIVE DYSON informed committee members a few other Alaska
school districts have spotty performance records on accepting all
students, but the Anchorage School District makes a policy out of
sending part-time students to the back of the line. The Anchorage
School District accepts tax money paid by private school students'
parents. The argument that the U.S. Constitution is threatened by
a nine year old student who attends a public school math class is
ludicrous on its face. The U.S. Constitution has survived a few
hundred years of very serious challenges. As discussed last week,
a school district has every right to apply equally, to part and
full-time students, the same prerequisites and preregistration
requirements for class enrollment. The Anchorage School District
will not even allow students enrolled in the state correspondence
course to enroll in classes, under the threat that their entry
would threaten constitutional rights. He noted that Mr. Cyr's
concern that classes have waiting lists is valid, however that
issue is separate. School districts need to use whatever resources
and criteria they have available to decide when to add classes.
Representative Dyson said he takes extreme exception to the
argument that allowing part-time students to take classes in public
schools will weaken both systems. Nothing could be more to the
contrary; this approach should strengthen both systems.
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON noted from testimony on last year's bill, he
learned that several public schools were using the part-time status
as a way to transition students back into school who had been
thrown out for behavioral problems. Those schools found part-time
attendance to be a marvelous transition tool. They also found that
students from correspondence, home schools, or private schools
were, almost without exception, a real asset to the educational
experience of students in the public school system, and he hopes it
was vice versa. Representative Dyson said NEAA's position is the
exact reason why this bill is necessary: the Alaska Constitution
prohibits discrimination against any students. To tell one group
it cannot participate in public schools seems contrary to the
Constitution. Well educated students are a major resource for the
future of our state.
CHAIRMAN WILKEN welcomed Senators Ellis and Ward.
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SENATOR GREEN noted part of NEAA's position paper does not address
the bill. She also stated, regarding the argument that a "B" grade
may not be the equivalent in different schools, that same argument
could be made among public high schools within the same, or
different, districts. She added that even within school districts,
it has been suggested that policies differ as to how children are
allowed to enroll in courses and to participate.
CHAIRMAN WILKEN explained the changes made in the committee
substitute to Senators Ellis and Ward.
SENATOR GREEN asked if the part-time students were actually being
counted as more than one FTE by DOE.
CHAIRMAN WILKEN answered he did not think so, but the potential to
do so existed.
SENATOR GREEN moved to delete lines 11 through 13 on page 1.
SENATOR ELLIS objected for the purpose of an explanation.
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SENATOR GREEN stated that the deletion of those lines will actually
have no effect because it is already understood that the bill only
applies to academic subjects. That language was added by a
committee to restate that position.
SENATOR ELLIS commented if another committee explicitly added that
language in, it must have thought it to be important.
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON clarified that the amendment was added on the
House floor, by Representative Kubina, to ensure that the bill
would remain neutral on extracurricular activities.
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MS. TORKELSON clarified that Representative Kubina asked if a
governing body could be considered the Alaska School Activities
Association (ASAA). After researching the issue, she found that a
governing body, according to statute, can only mean the school
board. The ASAA, since 1994 or 1995, has been a separate non-
profit entity; it has no relation to DOE anymore. She gave this
information to Representative Kubina and to Representative Porter
who requested that the language be added for the purpose of
clarification.
SENATOR ELLIS felt that language is comfort language that could
prevent litigation in the future. However, he stated he would not
maintain his objection if the committee wants to remove it.
CHAIRMAN WILKEN stated he thinks the exclusion of those three lines
creates a firestorm in the bill and that he would be voting against
the amendment.
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REPRESENTATIVE DYSON agreed with Chairman Wilken that leaving the
language in tends to quiet down people who get alarmed about the
bill and its inclusion does not change the effect of the bill.
The committee took a brief at-ease.
The motion to delete lines 11-13 on page 1 carried with Senators
Leman, Green, and Ward voting for the motion and Senator Ellis and
Chairman Wilken voting against it.
SENATOR LEMAN moved to report SCSHB 367(HES) out of committee with
individual recommendations and a zero fiscal note. SENATOR ELLIS
objected. The motion carried with Senators Green, Ward, Leman and
Chairman Wilken voting for the motion, and Senator Ellis voting
against it.
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