Legislature(2013 - 2014)BARNES 124
03/17/2014 01:00 PM House RESOURCES
| Audio | Topic |
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| Start | |
| HCR22 | |
| HB325 | |
| HB367 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| *+ | HB 367 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 325 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HCR 22 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | SB 138 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | TELECONFERENCED |
HB 367-DIESEL FUEL STORAGE TAX CREDIT
1:58:44 PM
CO-CHAIR SADDLER announced that the final order of business is
HOUSE BILL NO. 367, "An Act creating a diesel fuel storage
facility tax credit for public utilities; and providing for an
effective date."
1:59:01 PM
REPRESENTATIVE DOUG ISAACSON, Alaska State Legislature, offered
some of the history to the introduction of the bill, its need,
and its broader application. He reported that the closure
announcement by Flint Hills Refinery revealed an adverse effect
to the consumer as the availability of fuel storage,
specifically HAGO (heavy atmospheric gas oil) and LAGO (light
atmospheric gas oil), to Golden Valley Power for electricity
generation would now be limited. He explained that an
agreeable, competitive lease price between Golden Valley Power
and Flint Hills would be necessary to forego the necessity of
building new tanks for the storage of five to ten days of fuel.
He shared that the Alaska Village Electric Cooperative,
Incorporated (AVEC) had submitted a letter, dated March 17,
2014, detailing its needs and its support of the proposed bill
[Included in members' packets]. He reported that AVEC owned and
operated 47 bulk fuel tank farms, about half of which had
benefited from the Denali Commission funding for improvements.
He declared that it was necessary to address the "woeful need of
upgrades and expansion." He noted that it was not his intention
to keep Alaska indentured to diesel fuel, although it was clear
that diesel would be around for decades to come as its
infrastructure was already in place. He explained that HB 367
would offer a tax credit similar to the previously offered gas
storage credits. Although the proposed bill would allow for up
to $15 million in credit, it was more likely to be about $5
million, or 50 percent of the cost. He declared that the
proposed bill was not trying to incentivize other refined
products to Alaska, but to offer the lowest delivered cost to
the consumer in Alaska. Therefore, the beneficiaries were
restricted to Alaska regulated utilities, and he noted that the
attached fiscal note [Included in members' packets] revealed
there were not a lot of these. He declared that the proposed
bill would offer the possibility for substantial relief to the
affected communities in the service districts and minimize the
economic impact on communities dependent on Flint Hills fuel.
He said that encouraging industry and affordable power should be
of great importance to the state.
2:05:29 PM
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON noted that these tax credits had
originally been intended for small communities throughout
Alaska, but this proposed bill would now offer this credit to
much larger communities and would set a different precedent.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON, in response, said that AVEC had not
been a past recipient and its 55 community members had not
received storage credits of this nature. He pointed out that
the proposed bill restricted this to Alaska regulated utilities.
He said that the Golden Valley Electric Association region would
continue to need HAGO and LAGO fuel until an alternative fuel
could be found for its antiquated diesel driven turbines in
North Pole. He described the maximum usage from the other
electric generation in the area. He stated that the proposed
bill would allow the opportunity for fuel storage to the
Fairbanks and North Pole area in addition to the other small
communities.
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON pointed out that her community "is in
the same boat certain times of the year." She relayed that the
community paid extra when it was necessary to use diesel fuel.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON replied that there was currently a fuel
surcharge on each monthly bill in his region, and it was always
in excess of the cost to generate power. He declared that there
was not a firm supply of hydro power or natural gas in the
Fairbanks region.
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON said that she still had concerns for
the proposed bill.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON explained that there were Golden Valley
Electric Association representatives to specifically address any
of her concerns.
2:10:53 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON, in response to Co-Chair Saddler,
explained that HAGO and LAGO were specific cuts in the refining
tower, as different products were distilled at different
temperatures.
CO-CHAIR SADDLER asked what HAGO stood for.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON said that he would report back to its
meaning.
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON offered his understanding that the Healy
Coal plant would be coming on line in the near future, and he
asked for clarification that this excess capacity would not be
sufficient to replace the aforementioned generators.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON replied that this was his understanding,
and he deferred to Golden Valley Electric Association for more
information.
2:12:30 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON requested a spreadsheet to the breakdown
in price per kilowatt from Golden Valley Electric Association
versus the remote villages included in the proposed bill.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON offered his belief that AVEC and Golden
Valley could each supply this to the committee.
CO-CHAIR FEIGE shared that the power company in his district was
Matanuska Electric, a public utility and a non-profit
corporation. He questioned whether the public utility paid
taxes, and asked what tax liability the public utilities would
write this refundable credit against, as most of them were non-
profits.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON, in response, directed attention to
Section 1, lines 8-9, which covered both scenarios and allowed
for a payment in lieu of a tax credit.
CO-CHAIR FEIGE asked for clarification that if there was not a
tax liability there would be a payment.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON expressed his agreement.
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON requested an explanation to the uses of
the oil and gas tax credit fund mentioned on page 2 of the
fiscal note analysis [Included in members' packets] and asked if
this could deplete that fund.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON replied that he would get back with an
answer.
REPRESENTATIVE TARR said that she would hold her questions
regarding the fiscal note until someone from DNR could answer
them.
2:15:32 PM
CO-CHAIR SADDLER opened public testimony.
2:15:51 PM
MEERA KOHLER, President and CEO, Alaska Village Electric
Cooperative, noted that AVEC served 55 villages which were very
dependent on diesel fuel for energy. She said that most of the
tank farms were a little bigger than 100,000 gallons, with about
22 of the tank farms still in need of upgrades. She said that
this opportunity for a tax credit for half of the cost for
refurbishing the tank farms was "extremely attractive and very
important because otherwise the only opportunity we would have
is to take out loans that simply adds costs to very, very high
cost of electricity already."
REPRESENTATIVE TARR asked if the 22 tank farms in need of
upgrades were each a separate entity to apply for the proposed
tax credit.
MS. KOHLER, in response, said that the 22 tank farms all
belonged to the Alaska Village Electric Cooperative, although
there may be other public utilities that were looking to improve
diesel fuel storage facilities. She said that the State of
Alaska was making an updated assessment of tank farms, as it had
not been done since the late 1990s, and that this would give an
idea of the continuing need. She explained that the local
utility in a small village could be run by the local city
government or the local tribal corporation, which often did not
have a lot of borrowing capacity. She stated that even with
this credit, it would still be necessary for them to find
outside financing to supplement the remainder of the cost. She
questioned the demand from these small villages because of this
cost. She reported that utilities similar to AVEC which were
funded through loans from the Rural Utility Collaborative or
private lenders had the ability to leverage the money from this
tax fund. She stated that AVEC did pay a gross receipts tax as
a cooperative, which was a modest tax back to the state. She
said that the tax break was not a significant component for
AVEC.
CO-CHAIR SADDLER asked if there was an estimate to the cost of
the upgrade to the aforementioned 22 tank farms.
MS. KOHLER, in response, explained that a small tank farm in a
village scenario would cost about $12-$13 per gallon for a
capacity of about 150,000 to 200,000 gallons; however, in a
larger tank farm, 500,000 gallons to a few million gallons, it
would cost about $2-$2.50 per gallon. She said that a major
refurbishment of the existing tank farms, salvaging whatever
tanks possible, would cost about $1 million for a 150,000 gallon
tank farm. She estimated a total investment of about $70-$75
million to refurbish all 22 tank farms.
REPRESENTATIVE TARR asked if AVEC could apply for the credit
from all the projects it was working on.
MS. KOHLER offered her belief that this would be the case,
although she opined that the intent of the bill was to support
facilities which began work after the effective date of the
bill. She said that AVEC did not work on more than 2-3 tank
farms each year, which would be an investment of about $5-$7
million each year for tank farm upgrades and refurbishments.
2:24:53 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON, referring to page 2, line 4 of the
proposed bill, read that a storage facility would not qualify if
it had been in operation as a diesel fuel storage facility
before the effective date of the proposed bill. He offered his
belief that the proposed bill was only referencing new tank
farms and new tanks, and not refurbishments or upgrades.
MS. KOHLER offered her understanding that the intent was to not
include facilities which were completed prior to the effective
date, but that an existing tank farm of more than 100,000
gallons would qualify for funding toward a substantial
refurbishment.
CO-CHAIR SADDLER offered his belief that the proposed language
said that if the facility, and not a specific tank, were used as
a diesel facility, it would not qualify.
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON replied "that's one of the tweaks we'll
bring back to you."
MS. KOHLER, in response to Co-Chair Feige, said that AVEC tank
farms were under US Coast Guard and EPA jurisdiction, and were
inspected two to three times each year, with minor maintenance
performed throughout the year. She reported that EPA
requirements would necessitate stricter testing to ensure tank
integrity. She acknowledged that it was an ongoing struggle to
add extra cost to an already expensive bill to pay for upgrade
projects. She said that AVEC spent about $1 million annually on
tank farm operations, and that there was not very much money
left. She called it "a hand to mouth existence."
CO-CHAIR FEIGE asked how much money did AVEC set aside for
programmed replacement of tanks, or were they simply looking to
the State of Alaska for capital money for replacements.
MS. KOHLER replied that AVEC had never looked to the state for
funds to replace tank farms, as it had never been available.
She said that the funding from the Denali Commission had been
the first time that any significant money had been put into
major upgrades to the tank farms. She shared that the gross
revenue from non-fuel sources was about $18 million annually,
which paid for generation maintenance, overhauls, tank farm
operations and maintenance, spill response, and administration,
noting that "there has never been a lot available." There had
not been a lot of investment since the initial investments in
tank farms 40 years prior. She reported that there would be
$100,000 - $150,000 on an individual tank farm for a major
refurbishment on a couple of locations on an annual basis. She
pointed out that this only addressed the electric utility and
did not address the remaining 75 percent of tank storage in a
village which was non-utility.
CO-CHAIR SADDLER asked that she report back to the committee
with "a clear idea of the total cost that what it might take to
refurbish the tanks that your co-operatives rely on."
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON noted that page 2 stated that
qualification for the credit in this section required that a
diesel fuel storage facility must have a diesel derived fuel
volume of at least 100,000 gallons. She pointed out that, as
there had been testimony to a need for smaller facilities, this
should be adjusted.
2:32:24 PM
CO-CHAIR SADDLER opened public testimony on HB 367.
2:32:59 PM
LUKE HOPKINS, Mayor, Fairbanks North Star Borough, said that
ensuring that the borough and the surrounding region had enough
diesel fuel storage for electrical generation was an important
piece for financial relief to the electric cooperative
association.
2:34:19 PM
COREY BORGESON, President and CEO, Golden Valley Electric
Association (GVEA), said that the potential closing of the Flint
Hills Refinery brought a significant number of issues to GVEA,
and that fuel storage was one of them. He acknowledged that
Flint Hills had control of a significant amount of storage, on
what was considered a very contaminated site. He declared that
it was essential for GVEA to have its own storage facilities for
HAGO and LAGO from the North Pole refinery. He said that HAGO
could not be transported into Alaska, as it needed warmer
temperatures for transportation. He remarked that an alternate
fuel source, even with the Healy Coal plant and LNG trucking
project, would always be needed in the community. He declared
that the fuel storage was very important to the utility.
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON asked for the approximate price for power
generated by the two generators at Flint Hills versus the price
for coal at the Healy plant.
MR. BORGESON explained that these were measured in different
ways. In kilowatt hours when dispatching the power, the
generators had a cost of $0.23 per kilowatt hour for HAGO fuel
and $0.16 per kilowatt hour for naphtha fuel. He reported that
the utility spent about $61 million on naphtha and $13 million
for HAGO.
CO-CHAIR SADDLER asked about the coal cost.
MR. BORGESON replied that the cost was about $0.65 per kilowatt
hour for fuel, although including labor would be about $0.12 per
kilowatt hour.
MR. BORGESON, in response, said that the turbines at Flint Hills
generated about 180 megawatts and the coal plant generated an
additional 50 megawatts.
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON asked for the amount of tank storage at
the Flint Hills facility.
2:42:12 PM
LYNN THOMPSON, Vice President for Power Supply, Golden Valley
Electric Association (GVEA), said that GVEA had 50,000 gallon
storage tanks each for HAGO and naphtha, and that GVEA relied on
the Flint Hills refinery to pipe in product for the turbines
when they were being operated.
2:42:52 PM
ANNA ATCHISON, Kinross Fort Knox Mine, said that the mine was
the largest gold producer in Alaska, and that it was the largest
customer to GVEA, as it took a lot of power and fuel to produce
gold from a low grade ore body. She relayed that the mine used
about 24 million kilowatt hours each month, the second largest
non-labor cost. She pointed out that the mine was the fifth
largest private employer in the borough, and, as its employees
also lived in the area, they were also affected by the
uncertainty for the future of energy, especially since the
announcement for the closure of the Flint Hills Refinery. She
declared support for HB 367 and the efforts of GVEA to reduce
and stabilize power costs for all rate payers.
MS. ATCHISON, in response to Representative Seaton, offered her
belief that the mine paid about $0.19 per kilowatt hour for
electricity to the mine, although she could get back to the
committee with an exact number.
2:45:00 PM
JOMO STEWART, Energy Project Manager, Fairbanks Economic
Development Corporation, spoke in support of HB 367, noting that
energy was "a big, big deal" when people live in a cold, dark
metropolitan area. He said that it was a necessary component of
the economy and that its availability, affordability, and
reliability impacted all the other aspects of the economy. He
directed attention to earlier efforts by the state to recognize
this necessity for energy storage. He listed state programs
which included participation with the Denali Commission, and
various energy and LNG storage tax credits including the Cook
Inlet tax incentives and credits. He reiterated support for
proposed HB 367.
2:47:04 PM
CO-CHAIR SADDLER closed public testimony and held over HB 367.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| HB325 AP Stories.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 Conservation Surcharge on Oil Statutes.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 DEC Budget Sub Presentation.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 DEC Budget Sub Slide.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 DEC Oil & Haz Prev Account Report.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 Sectional Analysis.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 Version A.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325-DEC-RFA-03-14-14.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325-DOR-TAX-3-14-14.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB367 AVEC Letter.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 367 |
| HB367 GVEA Letter.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 367 |
| HB367 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 367 |
| HB367 Version C.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 367 |
| HB367-DOR-TAX-03-14-14.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 367 |
| HCR 22 ADN Article i.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 ADN Article ii.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 ASRC White Paper.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 Clarion Article i.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 EIA FAQ.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 Cook Email.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 Hazardous Substances Statutes.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 News-Miner Article i.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 News-Miner Article ii.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 News-Miner Article iii.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 News-Miner Article iv.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 Proposed Sale.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 Sulfolane Investigation.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR22-LEG-SESS-3-15-14.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 DNR Document i.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 DNR Document ii.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HCR 22 DNR Document iii.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HCR 22 |
| HB325 Alaska Chamber Letter.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 Version A.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 DEC Response 3.26.14, Doc 1.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 DEC Response 3.26.14, Doc 2.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |
| HB325 DEC Response 3.26.14, Doc 3.pdf |
HRES 3/17/2014 1:00:00 PM |
HB 325 |