Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/30/2024 01:30 PM Senate FINANCE

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01:39:46 PM Presentation: Integrated Railbelt Transmission System
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                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       April 30, 2024                                                                                           
                         1:37 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:37:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson  called  the  Senate  Finance  Committee   meeting                                                              
to order at 1:37 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator  Jesse  Kiehl                                                                                                           
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Curtis  Thayer,  Executive  Director,   Alaska  Energy Authority;                                                               
Gwen   Holdmann,    Alaska   Center    for   Energy   and   Power,                                                              
University   of   Alaska   Fairbanks;    Angela   Rodell,   Staff,                                                              
Senator Cathy Giessel.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: INTEGRATED RAILBELT TRANSMISSION SYSTEM                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:39:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS  THAYER,  EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,   ALASKA  ENERGY AUTHORITY,                                                               
(AEA)  discussed  the  presentation,  "Modernizing   The  Railbelt                                                              
Grid:  Senate  Bill  217" (copy  on  file).  He pointed  to  slide                                                              
2, "About AEA":                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      AEA's mission is to reduce the cost of energy in                                                                          
      Alaska. To achieve this mission, AEA strives to                                                                           
      diversify    Alaska's     energy    portfolio    increasing                                                               
      resiliency, reliability, and redundancy.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Railbelt Energy                                                                                                         
           AEA  owns  the  Bradley  Lake  Hydroelectric   Project,                                                              
           the  Alaska  Intertie,   and  the  Sterling  to  Quartz                                                              
           Creek   Transmission   Line   all   of  which   benefit                                                              
           Railbelt consumers by reducing the cost of power.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Power Cost Equalization (PCE)                                                                                         
           PCE  reduces   the   cost  of  electricity    in  rural                                                              
           Alaska   for  residential   customers   and   community                                                              
           facilities,   which helps  ensure  the  sustainability                                                               
           of centralized power.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      Rural Energy                                                                                                            
           AEA   constructs   bulk   fuel   tank   farms,   diesel                                                              
           powerhouses,   and electrical   distribution  grids  in                                                              
           rural   villages.   AEA  supports   the  operation   of                                                              
           these    facilities   through    circuit    rider   and                                                              
           emergency response programs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency                                                                                  
           AEA  provides   funding,  technical   assistance,   and                                                              
           analysis   on  alternative   energy   technologies   to                                                              
           benefit   Alaskans.  These   include  biomass,   hydro,                                                              
           solar, wind, and others.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Grants and Loans                                                                                                        
           AEA   provides   loans  to   local   utilities,   local                                                              
           governments,   and  independent   power  producers  for                                                              
           the  construction   or  upgrade  of  power  generation                                                               
           and other energy facilities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Energy Planning                                                                                                         
           In    collaboration    with    local    and    regional                                                              
           partners,   AEA  provides   economic  and  engineering                                                               
           analysis    to   plan   the   development    of   cost-                                                              
           effective energy infrastructure.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:43:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 3, "AEA Active Projects and                                                                          
Services." The slide showed a map of Alaska with the                                                                            
various active projects and services under the authority.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:00 PM                                                                                                                    
Mr.  Thayer  discussed  slide  5,  "Railbelt  Opportunities."   He                                                              
directed  committee   attention  to  the  last  name  on the  list                                                              
at  the left-hand   side of  the  slide,   Dixion  Diversion.   He                                                              
explained  that  Dixion   Diversion  was  at  Bradly  Lake,  which                                                              
was  owned  by  the  state  and  had  been  in  operation  for  32                                                              
years.   He  said  that   the  lake  provided   the  lowest   cost                                                              
energy  on the  Railbelt  at $0.04  per  kilowatt.  He added  that                                                              
it  provided  10  percent   of  the  power  on  the  Railbelt.  He                                                              
shared  that  the  Dixion  Diversion   had  similar  glacier  lake                                                              
river  on the  Bradly  Lake footprint  that  would  be diverted  5                                                              
miles  into Bradly  Lake,  which  would  increase  Bradly  lake by                                                              
50  percent  and  would   displace  1.5  billion   cubic  feet  of                                                              
natural  gas,  or 7.5  percent  of  the unmet  needs  in 2023.  He                                                              
stated  that  the economics   of the  project  looked  to  revenue                                                              
bonds  to pay  for the  project  in addition  to  applying  for an                                                              
Environmental   Protection  Agency  (EPA)  grant,  which  did  not                                                              
require  a  state  grant.  He added  that  tax  credits  up  to 50                                                              
percent  could  be a possibility.   He moved  up  the list  to the                                                              
Homer  system  and  noted  the  BESS  (Potential   AEA Ownership)                                                               
listing  in the  center  of the  slide.  He explained  that  there                                                              
was  battery  energy  storage   system  in  Soldotna  that  helped                                                              
with  oscillation  of  water and  could  be used  at Bradly  Lake.                                                              
He  noted  that  further  north  on  the  map  there  was  another                                                              
battery  being  built  by  the  Matanuska  Electric  Association.                                                               
He  said  that  AEA  was  exploring   whether  it  would  be  cost                                                              
effective  to  buy in  to that  battery.  He said  that  batteries                                                              
had  varying  issues and  benefits  that  were being  explored  by                                                              
the  authority.  He  further  detailed   the  projects  listed  on                                                              
the lines illustrated on the map.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:51:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson  spoke  to  the  projects  in  rural  Alaska,  and                                                              
wondered who owned the solar panels.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:52:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   asked   which  solar   panels   senator   Olson  was                                                              
referring to.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:52:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson asked who owned the solar panels in Willow.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:52:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Thayer  replied   that   an  independent    power   producer                                                              
borrowed money from AEA for the panels.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Olson   asked   Mr.   Thayer   to  explain   the   BESS                                                              
acronym.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   replied   that  BESS   stood   for  Battery   Energy                                                              
Storage  System.  He  added  that  Tesla  was  the brand  used  by                                                              
Homer, Chugach, and Matanuska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:53:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson   understood  that  direct   current  (DC)  power,                                                              
put  over   a  fair  amount  of  distance,   lost   energy  as  it                                                              
traveled.  He  wondered  how  the loss  of  energy  would  be delt                                                              
with.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:53:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Thayer  responded    that  the   AC/DC   lines  were   quite                                                              
efficient.    The   line   proposed    line   would    be   highly                                                              
efficient.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:54:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson  wondered  about  the funding  for  the north  end                                                              
of the line.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:54:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer replied  that  it  would be  a conversation   with the                                                              
utility.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:55:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  pointed  to  slide 6,  "Bradley  Lake  Hydroelectric                                                               
Project":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      Bradley Lake Hydroelectric Project                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Bradley Lake is Alaska's largest source of renewable                                                            
      energy.  Energized   in  1991,   the  project   is  situated                                                            
      27-air miles northeast   of Homer  on the Kenai  Peninsula.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef The 120 MW facility provides low-cost energy to                                                                 
      550,000+ members on the Railbelt.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Bradley Lake's annual  energy   production    is  10                                                            
      percent  of  Railbelt  electricity   at  4.5  cents/kWh  (or                                                              
      54,400 homes/year)   and over  $20  million  in savings  per                                                              
      year  to  Railbelt  utilities   from  Bradley   Lake  versus                                                              
      natural gas.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef AEA, in partnership with the Railbelt utilities,  is                                                            
      studying   the   Dixon   Diversion   Project   which   would                                                            
      increase  the  annual  energy  production  of  Bradley  Lake                                                              
      by 50 or the equivalent of 14,000 28,000 homes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 7, "Dixon Diversion Project":                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      AEA  is   studying    the  Dixon   Diversion    Project   to                                                              
      optimize  the energy  potential  of  the AEA  owned  Bradley                                                              
      Lake  Hydroelectric   Project.  Like  the  West  Fork  Upper                                                              
      Battle  Creek  Diversion   Project,   the  Dixon   Diversion                                                              
      Project  would divert  water  from  Dixon  Glacier  in order                                                              
      to increase  Bradley  Lake's  annual  energy  production  by                                                              
      50 percent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Located five miles from  Bradley   Lake   and  would                                                              
      utilize existing powerhouse at Bradley Lake                                                                               
      .notdef Estimated annual energy 100,000 200,000 MWh                                                                       
      (24,000 30,000 homes                                                                                                      
      .notdef Estimated to offset 1.5 1.6 billion  cubic  feet  of                                                              
      natural  gas   per  year   in  Railbelt   power  generation                                                               
      (equal  to  7.5  percent  of  Alaska's   unmet  natural  gas                                                              
      demand projected for 2030)                                                                                                
      .notdef Estimated completion is 2030                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      *Funding   will    be   used   for    engineering    studies                                                              
      (feasibility,       hydrological,      geological)       and                                                              
      environmental    studies    (fisheries,    water    quality,                                                              
      geomorphology).                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The slide offered a map of the proposed project in the                                                                          
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:57:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman looked at the third bullet point on page                                                                       
6:                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   • Bradley Lake's annual energy production is ~10% of                                                                         
      Railbelt   electricity   at  4.5   cents/kWh   (or   ~54,400                                                              
      homes/year)  and  over  $20  million  in  savings  per  year                                                              
      to Railbelt utilities from Bradley Lake versus natural                                                                    
      gas.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman assumed that 4 cent const generation would                                                                     
result in zero debt.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:57:11  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  replied  that that  dam  had been  paid  off  but the                                                              
authority   had  bonded  $166  million  against   Bradly  Lake  to                                                              
begin   transmission   upgrades.   He   stressed   that   AEA  was                                                              
proactive   in borrowing   funds  against  the  dam  to  fund  the                                                              
upgrades.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:59  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  surmised  that  the  slide reflected   the cost                                                              
spend rate of debt free hydro asset.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:01  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer affirmed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:07  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   expressed    the  desire    for  an   updated                                                              
heating  cost comparison   between the  states   energy  sources.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:58:59  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer agreed to provide the information.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:59:08  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   shared  that   there   were  concerns   about                                                              
running  low  on Cook  Inlet  natural  gas,  with  equal  concerns                                                              
in  Fairbanks  and  Western  Alaksa  for energy  costs.  He  noted                                                              
that some form of methodology to compare costs was needed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:59:45  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer agreed to provide the information.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:59:48  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  requested  asked  that  coal energy  be  included                                                              
in the information requested by Co-Chair Stedman.                                                                               
2:00:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman   stated  that  energy   costs   needed  to  be                                                              
reduced  throughout  the  state.  He stressed  that  energy  costs                                                              
in  rural Alaska  were  sometimes  10  times  higher  than  in the                                                              
Railbelt.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:00:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson  spoke  of  pennies  per kilowatt   hour in  urban                                                              
areas  versus  over a  dollar  per kilowatt  hour  in rural  areas                                                              
of the state that produced the resources used for energy.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:01:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Thayer   displayed    slide   8,  "Why   are   Transmission                                                               
Upgrades Needed?"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Many   of   the   transmission     lines   and   associated                                                               
      equipment  serving  Alaska  were constructed   more  than 40                                                              
      years ago.  Transmission   upgrades  are needed  to  improve                                                              
      Alaska's  resilience  and  energy  security,  diversify  its                                                              
      energy  portfolio,  and  accelerate   the effective   future                                                              
      integration of renewable and clean power.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Energy Security                                                                                                         
           Reliable  transmission   infrastructure   ensures  that                                                              
           those  projects   will  be  able   to  connect  to  the                                                              
           grid  and   provide  energy   anywhere   it  is  needed                                                              
           along the Railbelt.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Energy Diversity                                                                                                        
           As  Cook  Inlet  natural  gas  supplies   decline,  new                                                              
           energy  projects,  including   renewable  energy,  will                                                              
           become   increasingly    important    to   our   energy                                                              
           security.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Reliable Energy                                                                                                         
           A  second   transmission    line  from   the   Southern                                                              
           region  (Kenai   Peninsula)  of  the  Railbelt  to  the                                                              
           Central   region  (Anchorage)   will  ensure  power  in                                                              
           the  event  of an emergency   shutdown  along  existing                                                              
           lines.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  lamented  that  the  states   electrical  system  was                                                              
not up to federal standards.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  about  background   on Bradly  Lake  and                                                              
the  proposed   tunnel   and  expansion.    He  wondered   whether                                                              
there   would   be  any   impact  or   upgrades   needed   to  the                                                              
penstock or turbines.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  replied   that  the  advantage  of  the  project  was                                                              
that   nothing    additional    needed   to   be   done   to   the                                                              
powerhouse.   He said  that  the  project  would  allow  for  more                                                              
efficient   usage  of  the 2  existing   60-megawatt  generators.                                                               
He  said  that the  current  constraint   of  Brady  Lake was  the                                                              
lack  of transmission   lines.  He said  that  17  percent  of the                                                              
power  from  Bradly  went  to  Fairbanks.  He  said  that a  third                                                              
generator  could  be put  in at  Bradly  lake but  that the  plant                                                              
would run fine with the existing two.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:03:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   asked   about   the   third   generator.   He                                                              
thought  that  a spare  generator   would  be beneficial   so that                                                              
two were always running even in times of maintenance.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   replied  that   the  issue  was   one  of  cost.  He                                                              
shared  that   Bradly  had  been  designed   to  have  three,  40-                                                              
megawatt  generators,   but  that  two,  60  megawatt  generators                                                               
had  been   constructed,   which  had  resulted   in  oscillation                                                               
issues.  He  said that  the  third  pit for  the  original  design                                                              
remained  and  could  possibly  hold  the  40-megawatt   generator                                                              
originally   considered.   He   offered  to   provide  additional                                                               
information on the issue.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Kiehl   asked   about   the   two-line   minimum   under                                                              
Federal  Energy  Regulatory  Commission   (FERC)  regulations.  He                                                              
understood   that  Regulatory   Commission   of  Alaska  (RCA)  in                                                              
some  areas  of the  state  required  onsite  backup  generation.                                                               
He  wondered  whether  the  backup  generation   was  required  at                                                              
Bradly Lake.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:05:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  responded  in  the affirmative.   He  explained  that                                                              
the  BESS  system   made  a  battery   available   that  could  be                                                              
operated  on  for a  period  in the  event  of the  necessity  for                                                              
a backup generator.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:06:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson asked about the price of power from Bradly                                                                       
Lake to Fairbanks wheeling rates.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer responded that he could get back to the                                                                              
committee with the information.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:06:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer highlighted slide 9, "Grid Resilience and                                                                            
Innovation Partnerships (GRIP): HVDC Line":                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Increases transfer capacity  between  regions   that                                                              
      enables  higher  renewable   energy  integration   into  the                                                              
      electricity system.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Improves resilience and reliability for  tribal  and                                                              
      disadvantaged  communities   in  the  Railbelt  region,  and                                                              
      a reduction  in  reliance  on  fossil  fuel  generation  and                                                              
      associated emissions.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Supports the retention of high quality  jobs  in the                                                              
      region,    including    650    highly    paid   jobs    with                                                              
      competitive employer sponsored benefits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Creates apprenticeship and internship   programs  to                                                              
      train a  new generation   of line  workers  and wireworkers                                                               
      to reinvigorate Alaska's energy workforce.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      AEA secured  $206.5  million  for  GRIP Topic  Area  3: Grid                                                              
      Innovation   through  the   United   States  Department   of                                                              
      Energy's  Grid  Deployment   Office.  A cost  share  of  100                                                              
      percent,  or  $206.5  million,   is  required  for  a  total                                                              
      project   amount    of    $413   million.    The    Railbelt                                                              
      Innovation  Resiliency   project   will  construct   a  high                                                              
      voltage  direct current   (HVDC) submarine   cable to  serve                                                              
      as  a   parallel   transmission    route  from   the   Kenai                                                              
      Peninsula   to   Anchorage,    creating    a   much   needed                                                              
      redundant system in case of disruptive events                                                                             
2:08:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer looked at slide 10, "HVDC Subsea Cable from                                                                          
Kenai to Beluga":                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      The  RIR  project  encompasses   several   projects  one  of                                                              
      them  being   the  installation   of   a  new  subsea   high                                                              
      voltage  direct  current   (HVDC)  transmission   line  from                                                              
      the Kenai Peninsula across Cook Inlet to the existing                                                                     
      Beluga  Power   Plant   and,   if  feasible,   one   or  two                                                              
      battery  energy  storage  systems   (BESS)  in  the  Central                                                              
      (Anchorage) and Northern Fairbanks) regions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Project Highlights:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      Location:    The    project    involves    connecting    the                                                              
      Railbelt's  Southern   region   (Kenai  Peninsula)   to  the                                                              
      Central  region   (Anchorage,  Matanuska   Susitna   Valley)                                                              
      via Beluga with an HVDC submarine circuit.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      Cable  length:   Approximately   65   miles  total   length,                                                              
      37.5 mile  subsea   cable/2.5  miles  from  the  landing  to                                                              
      Beluga,  and   25  miles  from   the  Southern   landing  to                                                              
      Soldotna.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Cable size:  The  cable  is  approximately  8"  in  diameter                                                              
      with roughly 250 megawatt transfer capability.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Cable depth  to  be buried  in the  seabed:  About  4-6 feet                                                              
      deep.  Landings    may   be  installed    using  horizontal                                                               
      directional drilling.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:09:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Olson    asked    whether    there    were    existing                                                              
transmission lines across Cook Inlet.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:09:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied in the affirmative. He said they were                                                                        
natural gas and oil pipelines.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson asked whether the lines were protected from                                                                      
seismic activity.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:09:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer agreed to provide that information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 11, "Schedule":                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef The statutory period for the project  is  eight  (8)                                                              
      years and  the  construction   schedule  below  is based  on                                                              
      a  design   bid  build   process   a  traditional    project                                                              
      delivery  method  that consists  of  three  distinct  phases                                                              
      in sequence:                                                                                                              
      - Second Quarter 2024 Award                                                                                               
      - Summer 2024 Preliminary Engineering                                                                                     
      - December 2024 Complete Preliminary Design                                                                               
      - July  2027 Complete  National   Environmental  Policy  Act                                                              
      (NEPA) Process                                                                                                            
      - December 2027 Contractor Selection                                                                                      
      - January 2028 to December 2029 Long Lead Items                                                                           
      - January 2030 to December 2031 Construction                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:11:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked how similar laying the cable for the                                                                     
project was when compared to laying broadband cable in                                                                          
western Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:11:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that he did not know, and agreed to                                                                          
provide the information.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 12, " GRIP 3, Round 2: Beluga to                                                                     
Healy Overhead HVDC":                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Scope-The   Railbelt    Innovative    Resiliency    Project,                                                              
      Round  2  is  a  crucial   initiative  to   build  a  clean,                                                              
      smart,  and  affordable   grid   in  Alaska.  This   project                                                              
      involves   building   a  250   mile  high   voltage   direct                                                              
      current  (HVDC)  overhead  transmission   line  from  Beluga                                                              
      (west of Cook Inlet) to Healy                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Benefits-Increased    resilience   and  redundancy   of  the                                                              
      Alaska  Intertie,   an  additional  conduit   for  power  to                                                              
      transmit  between   regions,   reduced   line  losses,   and                                                              
      allows for more energy to be delivered to consumers.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Status  and  Schedule-On  April   17,  2024,  AEA  submitted                                                              
      an  application   to  the  Department   of  Energy,  and  we                                                              
      expect notification in early third quarter.                                                                               
           - 2025 2026 Initial design, permitting                                                                               
           - 2026 2027 Engineering, NEPA process                                                                                
           - 2027 2031 Construction                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Budget Estimated total cost is up to $730 million                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 13, "Sterling to Quartz (SSQ)                                                                       
and Soldotna to Sterling Transmission Lines":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      In 2020, AEA acquired the SSQ Transmission                                                                                
      Line,  a   critical   component    of  the   interconnected                                                               
      Railbelt  transmission   system  on  the  Kenai  Peninsula,                                                               
     as part of the Bradley Lake Hydroelectric Project.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Location 39.4  miles    of    115   kilovolt    (kV)                                                              
      transmission   and  out  of use  69  kV  transmission   from                                                              
      Sterling to Quartz substation (Kenai Lake).                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      .notdefBenefits AEA ownership ensures better cost alignment,                                                              
      increase   reliability,   and   more  timely   repairs   and                                                              
      upgrades.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      .notdefStatus 69 kV line   decommissioned     and   removed.                                                              
      Engineers  are   designing  and   are  procuring   equipment                                                              
      for the  upgrade  of the  existing  115 kV  line to  230 kV.                                                              
      Upgrade   will   reduce    line   losses,   increase    line                                                              
      reliability and system resiliency.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Cost Estimated cost to  upgrade   line   to  230  kV                                                              
      standards  is   $90  million  for   the  transmission   line                                                              
      between   Sterling   Substation   and   the   Quartz   Creek                                                              
      Substation on Kenai Lake.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:13:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   asked  about  the   ownership   and  why  the                                                              
state  would   own  the  inner  tie  system   and  not  the  local                                                              
utilities.   He  did  not  believe   that  the  state   owned  the                                                              
inner tie system in Southeast Alaska.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:14:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Thayer   understood   that   the   bill  put   all   of  the                                                              
transmission     assets    into    an    Railbelt    Transmission                                                               
Organization   (RGO) which  would  mean  AEA and  utilities  would                                                              
govern  the  assets.  He  agreed  that  the  conversation   needed                                                              
to continue.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson asked where AEA stood on the matter.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that he could not speak for the board.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:15:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  thought  that  knowing   how  long  the  state                                                              
would  need  to hold  the  grants  before  they were  divested  to                                                              
utilities  would  be  helpful  to  the conversation.   He  worried                                                              
about inadvertent cost to the state.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:16:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop asked about the award date on Grip 3.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:16:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied August-September 2024.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:16:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   asked   whether    there   were  commitments                                                               
within  the  grants   that  would  disallow  divestiture   over  a                                                              
period  of  time  or could  the  state  divest  ownership   at its                                                              
own discretion.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   replied   that  he  would   need  to  research   the                                                              
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:17:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   addressed   slide   14,  "Battery   Energy   Storage                                                              
Systems for Grid Stabilization":                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Scope-The BESS projects consist of an upgrade to the                                                              
      existing  BESS  system  in  the North,   and also  new  BESS                                                              
      systems  in  the  Southern,  and  Central   regions  of  the                                                              
      grid.  The Northern   BESS  is  located  at  Fairbanks,  the                                                              
      Southern  BESS  is located  in  Kenai,  the  Central  Region                                                              
      BESS will  be located  at  Anchorage.  BESS  will be  needed                                                              
      to fully  realize  the  benefits  of  a  230 kV  bulk  power                                                              
      supply    system,     regulate    energy     from    various                                                              
      generation, and increase resilience.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Benefits-Increase system    resilience,     transfer                                                              
      capability,  more  efficient   use  of  system,  and  lowers                                                              
      impediments    to    additional     renewable    generation                                                               
      development                                                                                                               
      .notdef Schedule-Estimated completion date is 2026:                                                                       
           - Southern (Kenai) In service                                                                                        
           - Central (Anchorage) October 2024                                                                                   
          - Northern (Fairbanks) To be determined                                                                               
      .notdef Budget Estimated total    cost   is   $168   million                                                              
      (depending on technology and capacity needs)                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 15, "HB 307: What does it do?"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      House Bill 307 aims to:                                                                                                   
      .notdef Reduce barriers for new power projects                                                                            
      .notdef Transform system into a public highway rather than a                                                              
      toll road                                                                                                                 
      .notdef Allow for lowest cost power to  move  regardless  of                                                              
      generation source                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      It aims to do this by:                                                                                                    
      .notdef Requiring the Regulatory Commission   of  Alaska  to                                                              
      establish   a   new   mechanism    of   transmission    cost                                                              
      recovery in the Railbelt                                                                                                  
      .notdef Eliminating transmission "wheeling" rates for  inter                                                              
      utility movement of electricity                                                                                           
      .notdef Extending tax relief provisions enjoyed by  Electric                                                              
      Coops to Independent Power Producers                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer shared that the budget for the project had grown                                                                     
by 2,600 percent. He sited the work of the AEA team for the                                                                     
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:23:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson interjected that 2,600 percent was a lot of                                                                      
money.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:23:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman joked that the team should be in charge of                                                                     
the Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson thanks Mr. Thayer for the presentation.                                                                           
2:24:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GWEN   HOLDMANN,    ALASKA   CENTER    FOR   ENERGY   AND   POWER,                                                              
UNIVERSITY  OF  ALASKA  FAIRBANKS,  discussed   the presentation,                                                               
"The  Railbelt  Transmission   Grid  (now and  future)"  (copy  on                                                              
file). She looked at slide 2, "A Vision for our Railbelt":                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      We want a system that:                                                                                                    
      •  Allows  cheapest   cost   power   to  get  to   end-users                                                              
      wherever  it  is produced,   whatever  the  source  is,  and                                                              
      wherever that generation is located.                                                                                      
      •  Facilitates   clean   energy   projects   at  scale   for                                                              
      energy security and diversification.                                                                                      
      • Maintains and improves reliability                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She stressed that it was in the interest of the entire                                                                          
state to lower energy costs in the Railbelt.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:27:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann pointed to slide 3, "Why Restructure and What                                                                      
Does That Mean?"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      •  Historically,    utilities   have  been   structured   as                                                              
      regulated natural monopolies.                                                                                             
      • This  is  due to  economies  of  scale  and  scope  (1 set                                                              
      of wires, not 20)                                                                                                         
      •  In  more  recent   times,   technological   advancements                                                               
      mean  that   consumers    can  benefit   from   opening   up                                                              
      portions of this market to competition.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:29:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann looked at slide 4, "Why Restructure and What                                                                       
Does That Mean?"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      •  Historically,    utilities   have  been   structured   as                                                              
      regulated natural monopolies.                                                                                             
      • This  is  due to  economies  of  scale  and  scope  (1 set                                                              
      of wires, not 20)                                                                                                         
      •  In  more  recent   times,   technological   advancements                                                               
      mean  that   consumers    can  benefit   from   opening   up                                                              
      portions of this market to competition.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:30:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   pointed  to  slide   5,  which  discussed   energy                                                              
news.  The  slide  showed  headlines  from  various  news  sources                                                              
announcing   negative  impacts  in  other  markets.   She  thought                                                              
Alaska could learn from other states' mistakes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:30:42 PM                                                                                                                    
Ms.  Holdmann  addressed  slide  6,  "Realities  of  the  Railbelt                                                              
Today":                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      • The Railbelt transmission system needs to be                                                                            
      upgraded. We have an opportunity for federal funding                                                                      
      to help defray those costs.                                                                                               
      • Alaska is dominated by public power ? one of only                                                                       
      two states in the U.S.                                                                                                    
      • Railbelt politics are inherently local                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:32:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  asked  for further  clarification   about  savings                                                              
to  the   consumer   in   cooperative   power   associations.   He                                                              
understood  that  monetary  savings   did not  always  go  back to                                                              
the consumer from which they were generated.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:33:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdman  queried  whether  Senator  Kiehl  was  asking  about                                                              
an  individual  service  territory   or going  between   different                                                              
service territories.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:33:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator     Kiehl    understood     that     cooperative     power                                                              
associations    did   not   cooperate   with   one   another   and                                                              
wondered if energy savings were shared across associations.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:33:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann  replied  that utilities   often  disagreed  because                                                              
the  entities   represented   local  interests,   which  could  be                                                              
addressed     by    having     an    overarching     transmission                                                               
organization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:35:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann continued with slide 6:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      • Alaska  has  avoided  transmission  deregulation   because                                                              
      we are not grid connected (thus not subject to FERC)                                                                      
      • Finding  helpful   examples  relevant   to Alaska  can  be                                                              
      challenging                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:36:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann looked at slide 7, "Constraints on the                                                                             
Railbelt Grid":                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Technical Constraints                                                                                                     
      Inadequate   physical    infrastructure    for   our   long,                                                              
      strung-out system                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Economic Constraints                                                                                                      
      a)  Economic  dispatch   is  difficult   --  Wheeling,   gas                                                              
      contracts                                                                                                                 
      b) Small   market  --  Lack  of economies   of  scale,  less                                                              
      room for competing suppliers                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Institutional Constraints                                                                                                 
      Currently,  it is  hard to  manage  and operate  assets  for                                                              
      the benefit of the whole region                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:38:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann pointed to slide 8, "These are not new issues                                                                      
or ideas." The slide illustrated that the state had been                                                                        
working on the energy issue since as far back as 1952.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:39:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann addressed slide 9, "Historically, transmission                                                                     
has not been prioritized":                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Railbelt   utilities   solved   reliability    issues   with                                                              
      local and  regional  generation  rather  than  investing  in                                                              
      interregional   high-voltage   transmission    due  to  long                                                              
      distances with few members to pay the cost.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      The history   of  the  Railbelt  has  been  compared   to an                                                              
      Alaskan  "Prisoner's  Dilemma"  -  prioritizing  individual                                                               
      utilities'  needs  has  resulted   in  a suboptimal   system                                                              
      for everyone.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      There  has never   been single   unified  operator  who  was                                                              
      concerned about the grid as a whole.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Prisoners Dilemma:                                                                                                        
      A paradox in decision analysis in which two                                                                               
      individuals acting in their own self-interests do not                                                                     
      produce the optimal outcome.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:40:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson   thought  that   care  should  be  taken  not  to                                                              
categorize   all  utilities  as  suboptimal   when  commenting  on                                                              
power utilities in the state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:40:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   agreed.   She  thought   that  utilities   in  the                                                              
state  were  doing a  fine  job looking  at  the  big picture  and                                                              
believed    that    utilities    would    agree    that    partner                                                              
collaboration has not always been prioritized.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:41:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Bishop    thought   that   if   utilities    were   more                                                              
cooperative the problem would not be under discussion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:41:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Holdmann   discussed   slide   10,  "Shared   opportunities                                                               
create incentives for cooperation":                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Effective   Railbelt   cooperation   most   often   occurred                                                              
      when  state   entities   (legislature    or  AEA)   provided                                                              
      capital  for  generation  and  transmission   (Bradley  Lake                                                              
      and Alaska Intertie).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      To operate these joint assets, Railbelt utilities had                                                                     
      to find a way to work together.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Federal Funding (GRIP) creates that incentive today.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:42:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Holdmann   pointed   to   slide   11,   "The   location   of                                                              
generation   will change   in the  future."  She  noted  that  the                                                              
details  of  the  slide  represented  only  one  study.  She  said                                                              
that   the  location   of  where   generation   assets   would  be                                                              
located  was  changeable.  She  said  that the  amount  of  use of                                                              
the transmission system would change over time as well.                                                                         
2:43:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann addressed slide 12, "Two Goals":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      1. Eliminate   pancaking  wheeling  rates  and  establish  a                                                              
      framework  for how  transmission   costs will  be  recovered                                                              
      and allocated                                                                                                             
      2. Create  an organization   that  can oversee,  manage  and                                                              
      develop   backbone   transmission    assets   and  that   is                                                              
      subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:44:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann pointed to slide 13, "Goal 1: Remove pancaking                                                                     
wheeling rates."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:44:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann addressed slide 14, "Why does eliminating                                                                          
wheeling matter?"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Investments  should  not be  impeded  by prices  for  moving                                                              
      power that bear no relation to actual marginal cost.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      (Costs must  be  recovered?.  but  not by  using artificial                                                               
      per-unit prices)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Get  rid  of   the  toll   road,  create   an  open   access                                                              
      highway  that  does   not  discriminate   in  terms  of  who                                                              
      generates  the  power,   or  what  form  of  generation   is                                                              
      used.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:47:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann said that the goal was to find a different way                                                                     
of allocating fixed costs to end users.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann discussed slide 15, Why does eliminating                                                                           
wheeling matter?:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Investments  should  not be  impeded  by prices  for  moving                                                              
      power that bear no relation to actual marginal cost.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      (Costs must  be  recovered    but  not by  using artificial                                                               
      per-unit prices.)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   offered  a  hypothetical   using  $30  million  in                                                              
transmission   costs  and a  consumer  cost  of $1  per unit.  She                                                              
noted  that  the  goal  of  the  projects   was  to  allocate  the                                                              
cost  of  transmission   directly  to  end  users   without  tying                                                              
the cost to the source of generation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:49:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Olson  asked   how  the  end  user  could   be  assured                                                              
parity if they were a coop owned member.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   believed  that  many  co-ops   and  their  members                                                              
had  felt  that  things  had  not  been  fair  in  the  past;  the                                                              
actions  of  one  utility  had  been  known   to unfairly   impact                                                              
users   in  another  part   of  the  system.   She  offered   that                                                              
fairness was a priority for the projects.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:50:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson   wondered  whether  Ms.  Holdmann   envisioned  a                                                              
future  where  everyone  in  the  state  paid  the same  rate  for                                                              
electric transmission regardless of geographic location.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:51:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann  replied   in the  affirmative   and  expressed  her                                                              
excitement for the possibilities.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:51:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson   asked  about  international   rates;  could  the                                                              
state transmit to, or purchase power from, Cananda.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:51:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   replied  that  Hyer,  Alaska   bought  power  from                                                              
Cananda.    She   could   not   speak   to   the    specifics   of                                                              
international purchases or sales.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:52:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   pointed   to  slide  16,  "  Goal   2:  Create  an                                                              
organization   that  can oversee,   manage  and develop   backbone                                                              
transmission   assets   and  that   is  subject   to  appropriate                                                               
regulation":                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Iceland  provides   an   interesting   analog  to   Alaska's                                                              
      Railbelt    due    to    similar    transmission     length,                                                              
      population   served,   and   high   prevalence   of   public                                                              
      power.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Iceland  has a  competitive  energy  market,  with  Landsnet                                                              
      as   the    national    transmission     system    operator,                                                              
      overseeing  the  country's   transmission   infrastructure.                                                               
      Examining   Iceland's   governance   and  asset  management                                                               
      strategies,  particularly   their evolution   over the  past                                                              
      three   decades,    presents    an   invaluable     learning                                                              
      opportunity for Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Icelands    electricity    sector       most   distribution                                                               
      utilities   also  operate   generation   assets,   like  the                                                              
      Railbelt utilities.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:53:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   displayed   slide   17,   "  Goal  2:   Create  an                                                              
organization   that  can oversee,   manage  and develop   backbone                                                              
transmission   assets   and  that   is  subject   to  appropriate                                                               
regulation":                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Borrow  from  a  simple   governance   structure   that  has                                                              
      passed the test of time (in Alaska)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      The   Bradley    Lake    Project    Management     Committee                                                              
      governance  structure   can  be used  as  a  starting  point                                                              
      to design a Railbelt Transmission Organization                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      The transmission   tariff  that establishes   the rate  that                                                              
      consumers  pay   should  be  subject   to  regulation   (the                                                              
      Bradley Project is exempt)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:54:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann pointed to slide 18, "Why Now? Urgency of the                                                                      
Moment":                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      1. Unique/generational   opportunity   to build  new  assets                                                              
      ? we need to get our house in order first.                                                                                
           • GRIP Projects                                                                                                      
           • Private sector investment (IPPs)                                                                                   
     2. Addressing the high cost of power for consumers                                                                         
           • Eliminate wheeling                                                                                                 
           • Economies of scale in project development                                                                          
           • Economic dispatch (future)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:16  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Merrick  noted  that  only  3 members  of  the  committee                                                              
represented    the   Railbelt.    She   asked   about    balancing                                                              
responsibilities   to  all  Alaskan   constituents   when  looking                                                              
at Railbelt energy plans.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:55:43  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Holdmann   replied   that  lowering   energy   costs  in  the                                                              
Railbelt  would  benefit   the  entire  state.  She  thought  that                                                              
additional   work could  be  done  to  address  the  high cost  of                                                              
energy in rural Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:57:15  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Olson  surmised   that  Ms.  Holdmann  was  optimistic                                                               
about  transforming    energy  issues   to  the  benefit   of  the                                                              
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:57:20  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holdmann responded in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:58:15  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Olson  invited   Angell   Rodell  to  testify   on  the                                                              
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:58:29  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA  RODELL,   STAFF,  SENATOR   CATHY  GIESSEL,   stated  that                                                              
the  legislation   reflected  a  significant  amount   of work  by                                                              
stakeholders.   She  stressed  that  compromise  would  be  key to                                                              
fix   transmission    issues   in   the  Railbelt    which   would                                                              
ultimately benefit the entire state.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson discussed housekeeping.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
3:00:26  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 217 2024.04.29 AEA Modernizing the Railbelt Grid Presentation to Senate Finance Committee (Final).pdf SFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 217
043024 Senate Finance 4-30-24 v3.pdf SFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM