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04/16/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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HOUSE BILL NO. 307                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to the taxation  of independent power                                                                    
     producers; and increasing  the efficiency of integrated                                                                    
     transmission system charges and  use for the benefit of                                                                    
     ratepayers."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:39:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE   SANDE,   COMMISSIONER,   DEPARTMENT   OF   COMMERCE,                                                                    
COMMUNITY   AND   ECONOMIC   DEVELOPMENT,   introduced   the                                                                    
PowerPoint  presentation  "Integrated Transmission  Systems"                                                                    
dated  April  16,  2024  (copy on  file).  Ms.  Sande  moved                                                                    
quickly  through slides  2 titled  "The Railbelt  Electrical                                                                    
Gridand    3  titled  "Railbelt  Transmission Systems"  that                                                                    
portrayed  maps of  Alaskas  grid  and transmission  system.                                                                    
She  elaborated that  the  Railbelt  was the  interconnected                                                                    
electrical grind extending from  Homer to Fairbanks that was                                                                    
approximately 700  miles long  and served  roughly 75  to 80                                                                    
percent  of  Alaska's  population.   Slide  3  depicted  the                                                                    
transmission  line and  the  colored  areas represented  who                                                                    
owned part  of the transmission  line. The lines  were owned                                                                    
by either the Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA) or the Railbelt                                                                    
utilities.  She  maintained  that the  current  transmission                                                                    
system in Alaska  was an inefficient system.  The system was                                                                    
connected but  not integrated and comprised  of separate and                                                                    
independent utilities that were  stand-alone. She noted that                                                                    
the  committee  would hear  a  lot  of discussion  regarding                                                                    
"wheeling"  and   "pancaking"  rates.  She   explained  that                                                                    
wheeling  or pancaking  rates was  the  charge per  megawatt                                                                    
hour  as  the  line  crossed   each  section  of  the  grid.                                                                    
Specifically pancaking  meant the rates were  "stacked." She                                                                    
likened the grid and wheeling rates  to a toll road versus a                                                                    
highway.  She  indicated  that   the  current  model  lacked                                                                    
integration  and prevented  the ability  to lower  rates for                                                                    
the rate  payer. She furthered  that if the bill  became law                                                                    
the Regulatory Commission of Alaska  (RCA) would establish a                                                                    
process  to transition  from  the current  system  to a  new                                                                    
transmission  cost  recovery  mechanism  where  transmission                                                                    
wheeling rates would be  eliminated. Wheeling rates hindered                                                                    
wholesale  power transactions  and reduced  the ability  for                                                                    
Independent Power  Producers (IPP)  to enter  power purchase                                                                    
agreements with utilities.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:44:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sande  moved  to  slide  4  titled  "Independent  Power                                                                    
Producers."  The bill  would also  amend  AS 10.25.540,  the                                                                    
statute  related to  the taxation  of cooperative  to extend                                                                    
its tax  relief provisions  to IPPs to  sell their  power to                                                                    
non-profit electric  utilities. Taxes  were a  large portion                                                                    
of  the overall  cost structure  for IPPs,  which negatively                                                                    
impact competitiveness.  The process of  negotiating project                                                                    
related taxes often delays or  kills projects. Extending tax                                                                    
relief  to  the IPP's  ensured  that  all sources  of  power                                                                    
generators are treated equally.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sande continued to slide  5 titled "What Does House Bill                                                                    
307 Do?:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 307 aims to:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        • Increase   competition   and   efficiency   within                                                                  
          Alaska's transmission system.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        • Reduce costs to the rate payer.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • Encourage the development of new power projects.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     It aims to do this by:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • Requiring the Regulatory Commission of Alaska                                                                       
          (RCA) to change the current mechanism of                                                                              
          transmission cost recovery in the Railbelt.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        • Eliminating transmission "wheeling" rates for                                                                       
          inter-utility movement of electricity.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Extending tax relief provisions enjoyed by                                                                          
          Electric Co-ops to Independent Power Producers                                                                        
          (IPPs).                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted that Co-Chair Edgmon joined the                                                                           
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:46:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW JENSEN, POLICY ADVISOR for ENERGY SECURITY, OFFICE                                                                       
OF THE GOVERNOR, ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), read                                                                           
through the sectional analysis of HB 307 (copy on file):                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1 - Updates the  uncodified law of the State of                                                                    
     Alaska   by   setting   forth  the   purpose   of   the                                                                    
     legislation: to  eliminate pancaked rates  and increase                                                                    
     efficiency  of integrated  transmission systems  of the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2 - The  bill amends AS 10.25.540(b)related  to                                                                    
     the  taxation   of  electric   cooperativesto   include                                                                    
     independent   power   producers.    Under   the   bill,                                                                    
     independent power producers would  pay a "sales" tax on                                                                    
     the kilowatt hours of electricity  in lieu of any state                                                                    
     or local  ad valorem, income,  or excise tax.  The bill                                                                    
     defines  an independent  power  producer  as a  utility                                                                    
     that  only  sells  wholesale power  to  cooperative  or                                                                    
     municipal utilities.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3 - The bill creates  a new article in AS 42.05                                                                    
     relating   to  integrated   transmission  system   cost                                                                    
     recovery (AS 42.05.900 - 42.05.915).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed AS  42.05.900 states the  legislative findings                                                                    
     for increasing the  efficiency of providing electricity                                                                    
     service to consumers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed   AS   42.05.905   requires   the   Regulatory                                                                    
     Commission   of   Alaska   ("RCA")   to   establish   a                                                                    
     transmission cost  recovery mechanism and to  provide a                                                                    
     process  where the  electric utilities  will transition                                                                    
     from recovering transmission costs  in utility rates to                                                                    
     a   transmission   cost    recovery   mechanism.   More                                                                    
     specifically, this section requires  the RCA to develop                                                                    
     a   cost   recovery   mechanism   that   achieves   the                                                                    
     legislative findings  and allocates  transmission costs                                                                    
     in a way that recognizes  a load-serving entity's local                                                                    
     consumption compared with the  total consumption on the                                                                    
     system  as a  whole. The  section further  requires the                                                                    
     RCA  to establish  a process  whereby the  transmission                                                                    
     owning  utilities will  gradually  transition from  the                                                                    
     current cost recovery  mechanism, in which transmission                                                                    
     costs  are   recovered  in  base  rates   and  wheeling                                                                    
     charges,   to  the   new  transmission   cost  recovery                                                                    
     mechanism.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed  AS  42.05.910  provides  that  the  RCA  will                                                                    
     require  all transmission-owning  utilities to  form an                                                                    
     association  whose only  purpose  is to  have a  tariff                                                                    
     setting   out  how   the  transmission   cost  recovery                                                                    
     mechanism is  collected and  disbursed, and  to collect                                                                    
     and  disburse the  transmission costs  through the  new                                                                    
     recovery mechanism.  The association will  be regulated                                                                    
     as a public utility.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed AS 42.05.915 provides  definitions for the new                                                                    
     article. The  section clarifies  what sort  of electric                                                                    
     utility assets are deemed  to be "transmission assets,"                                                                    
     subject  to  the  cost-recovery mechanism  of  the  new                                                                    
     article.  These include  AEA's contractual  charges for                                                                    
     transmission  to  the   Railbelt  utilities  but  would                                                                    
     exclude  radial transmission  lines that  are built  to                                                                    
     connect  independent  power  producers who  sell  their                                                                    
     power to utilities under  wholesale contracts. The cost                                                                    
     of  such  radial  lines will  instead  continue  to  be                                                                    
     recovered  in  the  cost  of   power  provided,  as  is                                                                    
     customary.  This  ensures  that a  load-serving  entity                                                                    
     that  is not  buying power  from the  independent power                                                                    
     producer  is  not  forced  to   shoulder  the  cost  of                                                                    
     connecting  that power  to the  grid. The  section also                                                                    
     provides   definitions   for    the   terms   "electric                                                                    
   reliability organization" and "load-serving entity."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jensen  elaborated  that  section  one  eliminated  the                                                                    
current system  of transmission rates for  systems that were                                                                    
subject  to integrative  resource planning  processes of  an                                                                    
"Electric  Reliability Organization"  (ERO),  which was  the                                                                    
Railbelt Transmission System; the only one in that state.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  pointed to Section 2  and wondered                                                                    
what  the impact  of a  sales tax  on local  governments was                                                                    
versus the current tax structure.  Mr. Jensen responded that                                                                    
it  would  essentially "level  the  playing  field" for  all                                                                    
types of  electrical generation.  He explained that  most of                                                                    
the system's  electricity was  provided by  cooperatives and                                                                    
member owned  utilities where under  state statute  were not                                                                    
subject to local  property tax. However, an  IPP was subject                                                                    
to  the  tax  and  created an  unfair  advantage  for  power                                                                    
generation. As  long as the  provider was selling to  a non-                                                                    
profit cooperative,  it removed  an unequal  barrier towards                                                                    
increasing power generation in the Railbelt system.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  understood  that the  provision  was                                                                    
seeking to  remove barriers and  wondered if it  was similar                                                                    
to  what was  happening in  the lower  48 states,  which had                                                                    
more IPPs.  She wondered whether  IPPs in other  states paid                                                                    
taxes. Mr.  Jensen responded that  he was not  familiar with                                                                    
all of  the tax structures  in the  lower 48 states.  He was                                                                    
aware that Alaska cooperatives were  different than in other                                                                    
states  because  they  generated  most of  their  own  power                                                                    
versus merely being buyers and distributors of power.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:54:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  referred to  slide 2  he asked  if the                                                                    
administration  would  be  opposed to  amending  the  bill's                                                                    
title  to  include  "to   prevent  inadvertent  taxation  of                                                                    
utilities that were not within  the Railbelt   He understood                                                                    
that the bill was intended  to focus solely on the Railbelt.                                                                    
Ms. Sande  replied that she  had not addressed  the question                                                                    
with the governor but would follow up.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  ascertained that  the  legislation                                                                    
created one rate for the  entire Railbelt with the intention                                                                    
of reducing  the cost  to the  rate payer,  but she  was not                                                                    
sure that  was the  case for  Chugach Electric.  She thought                                                                    
that Chugach was  using wheeling rates to  keep rate payers'                                                                    
costs down. She asked if  the provision was positive for the                                                                    
whole Railbelt.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jensen first replied  to Representative Ortiz's question                                                                    
that the way  Section 1 was structured  regarding EROs there                                                                    
was only one such system in  the state, however an ERO could                                                                    
be formed in any part of  the state. Therefore, the bill was                                                                    
not specific to the Railbelt by intention.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jensen proceeded  to  answer Representative  Coulombe's                                                                    
question.  He believed  that initially  there would  be only                                                                    
minor adjustments in rates. The  bill provided for a gradual                                                                    
unwinding of  current revenue  structures. He  believed that                                                                    
in the  long term it would  lead to lower rates  and benefit                                                                    
the entire  system. He offered  that currently, the  cost of                                                                    
transmission was  charged at the  point of  power generation                                                                    
or at  the point of transaction  between utilities. However,                                                                    
by shifting  the system  to an  end user  cost, the  cost of                                                                    
power would not  include fixed costs that  existed no matter                                                                    
what. He  elaborated that approximately  $69 million  out of                                                                    
an overall  revenue requirement of  about $905  million were                                                                    
transmission  costs  or 7.5  percent  of  the average  rate.                                                                    
Presently,  independent   power  projects   were  regionally                                                                    
constrained due  to wheeling  traffic that  crossed multiple                                                                    
system and  could negatively  impact the  cost of  power. He                                                                    
provided an example of a  proposed 100 megawatt wind farm in                                                                    
the Interior.  In order for  a large project to  share power                                                                    
that  crossed  multiple  lines wheeling  rates  and  tariffs                                                                    
would  be  involved.  The   legislation,  over  time,  would                                                                    
benefit the  entire system  by allowing  projects at  a much                                                                    
larger scale that  could serve the entire  system instead of                                                                    
smaller regional projects.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:59:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe asked  whether it  was fair  to say                                                                    
that  some rate  payers  might see  an  initial increase  in                                                                    
rates.  Mr. Jensen  responded that   it would  remain to  be                                                                    
seen     The   legislation   required   the   utilities   to                                                                    
collaboratively  develop a  structure that  was fair  to the                                                                    
rate payers. He  added that the utilities  had already begun                                                                    
discussions and  he felt that  the result would be  fair and                                                                    
beneficial. He could  not guarantee how the  rates would end                                                                    
up regionally.  The answer would  unfold once  the utilities                                                                    
developed its cost  recovery system. Representative Coulombe                                                                    
wondered whether  the attempt to integrate  the transmission                                                                    
line was  focused on creating  renewable energy.  Mr. Jensen                                                                    
answered in  the negative and  stated that the bill  was not                                                                    
restricted to renewables  and was open to any  form of power                                                                    
generation  produced   by  IPPs.  He  emphasized   that  the                                                                    
governor   favored   developing   the  lowest   cost   power                                                                    
generation.  Representative  Coulombe  asked Mr.  Jensen  to                                                                    
identify  a few  IPPs. Mr.  Jensen identified  Renewable IPP                                                                    
that developed  soar farms  in Willow  and Houston  and were                                                                    
currently   developing  a   large  project   on  the   Kenai                                                                    
Peninsula. In  addition, Alaska  Renewables was  vetting the                                                                    
development  of wind  farms  in Susitna  Valley  and in  the                                                                    
Interior. Another  IPP, Fire Island  Wind was owned  by Cook                                                                    
Inlet Region, Inc. (CIRI).  Representative Coulombe remarked                                                                    
that the  examples were all renewable  energy. She expressed                                                                    
concern that renewables were more  costly and not consistent                                                                    
and once  the tariffs and  pancake rates were  changed would                                                                    
not result  in lower  costs for the  rate payer.  Mr. Jensen                                                                    
explained  that currently,  when a  IPP made  a deal  with a                                                                    
utility the rate had to be  lower than the current rates for                                                                    
power  generation  in  order for  Regulatory  Commission  of                                                                    
Alaska approval.  He believed that the  bill would diversify                                                                    
the energy mix  for the Railbelt system  and potentially for                                                                    
other parts of  the state. He noted that  more generation in                                                                    
the system would  reduce demand for natural gas  as an added                                                                    
benefit.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:04:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  favored the  bill and thought  that it                                                                    
created equity  in the  Railbelt and  unified the  effort to                                                                    
reduce energy  costs, which affected  PCE rates as  well. He                                                                    
referenced the governor's Transmittal  Letter (copy on file)                                                                    
that  mentioned  the burden  of  wheeling  rates that  could                                                                    
derail   new   types   of   power   generation   that   were                                                                    
"geographically dependent."  He asked if his  assessment was                                                                    
correct. Mr.  Jensen responded in the  affirmative. He added                                                                    
that  recovering transmission  rates  via a  surcharge on  a                                                                    
utility bill  would remove  a large  barrier to  system wide                                                                    
larger power projects versus a  regional project in order to                                                                    
avoid  transmission charges.  Representative Stapp  recalled                                                                    
Mr.   Jensen's  testimony   regarding  the   elimination  of                                                                    
wheeling rates  spurring extra generation making  the system                                                                    
less reliant  on natural gas generation  prolonging the life                                                                    
of  gas  in  Cook  Inlet.  He inquired  if  his  recall  was                                                                    
correct. Mr. Jensen replied in  the affirmative and believed                                                                    
it was  a "crucial"  element to  relieve demand  for natural                                                                    
gas  for  power  generation. He  furthered  that  additional                                                                    
sources  of power  generation made  it easier  to project  a                                                                    
fixed  cost into  the  future versus  a  variable price  for                                                                    
natural gas  due to  price volatility.  Representative Stapp                                                                    
asked whether the bill was  a crucial first step in tackling                                                                    
the gas  situation in Cook Inlet,  especially for Anchorage.                                                                    
Mr. Jensen responded in the  affirmative. He elucidated that                                                                    
the transition  to the  new cost recovery  would take  a few                                                                    
years,   but  the   bill's   fixes   would  enable   project                                                                    
development to accelerate by creating cost certainty.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:11:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  referenced section  2, page 2,  line 1                                                                    
of  the bill:  "each  electric  cooperative and  independent                                                                    
power producer shall pay to the  state,?" and page 2 lines 5                                                                    
to  7:  "independent  power producer"  means a  utility that                                                                    
only  sells  wholesale  power to  cooperative  or  municipal                                                                    
utilities.   He deduced  that  the  provision included  IPPS                                                                    
outside the Railbelt  and asked if it was the  intent of the                                                                    
bill  was  to tax  IPPs  outside  the Railbelt.  Mr.  Jensen                                                                    
responded that the bill applied  only to utilities within an                                                                    
ERO. The  only way it  could apply outside the  Railbelt was                                                                    
if those utilities formed an ERO.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  shared that she had  similar concerns                                                                    
as Representative  Ortiz. She explained that  the utility in                                                                    
Juneau was  investor owned. She determined  that it appeared                                                                    
the  legislation   excluded  an  IPP  from   getting  a  tax                                                                    
advantage  for selling  to an  investor  owned utility.  She                                                                    
asked  if  she was  correct.  Mr.  Jensen responded  in  the                                                                    
affirmative. He  related that the  cooperatives did  not pay                                                                    
local  property taxes,  which was  why  the bill  stipulated                                                                    
that if  power was only  sold to  a tax exempt  entity, then                                                                    
the seller would be treated  the same from "a local taxation                                                                    
purpose."  An  investor  owned company  was  already  paying                                                                    
local  property taxes  for power  generation therefore  both                                                                    
the IPP and investor owned  utility would pay property taxes                                                                    
and  be on  equal  footing.  Representative Hannan  inquired                                                                    
whether  the  legislation  required  an  IPP  selling  to  a                                                                    
cooperative  utility to  share  its tax  advantage with  the                                                                    
consumer.  Mr. Jensen  deferred part  of the  answer to  the                                                                    
Regulatory Commission of Alaska.  He reported that any power                                                                    
purchase agreement between an  IPP and a cooperative utility                                                                    
was  subject  to a  review  and  approval  by the  RCA.  The                                                                    
commission had a process in  place to assure a tax exemption                                                                    
was part of the rate.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:16:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT DOYLE,  CHAIR, REGULATORY  COMMISSION OF  ALASKA (via                                                                    
teleconference),  affirmed  that  as part  of  the  approval                                                                    
process,  the commission  would ensure  the rate  payers and                                                                    
utilities  were  part  of   a  calculation  called   avoided                                                                    
costs.  He defined  avoided costs as a  negotiated rate that                                                                    
was both  just and reasonable  for both the rate  payers and                                                                    
the utilities. The  IPP bearing any part of  a tax exemption                                                                    
would  be  a  part  of the  review  process.  Representative                                                                    
Hannan  ascertained that  just and  reasonable did  not mean                                                                    
lower.  She   exemplified  a   situation  where   there  was                                                                    
insufficient  power generation  and  the  IPP could  produce                                                                    
more power but  at a higher cost. She  wondered whether that                                                                    
scenario of  increased costs would  be just  and reasonable.                                                                    
Mr. Doyle responded in the  affirmative and added that there                                                                    
was no guarantee  that just and reasonable  was always less;                                                                    
there were  multiple factors that  had to be  considered. He                                                                    
countered  that  if  a  truly  open  access  system  was  in                                                                    
operation that  lacked wheeling rates, a  point of "economic                                                                    
dispatch" could  exist within a "tight  pool." He elaborated                                                                    
that the  concept was that  whoever could produce  the power                                                                    
at the lease cost and cover  its debt covenant should be the                                                                    
utility in  operation. He  would like  to encourage  a tight                                                                    
pool  and   economic  dispatch  stretching  from   Homer  to                                                                    
Fairbanks  in  an  open, non-wheeling  transmission  program                                                                    
without  pancaking  costs.  It   would  allow  the  economic                                                                    
dispatch to take  place and help lower  costs. He maintained                                                                    
that  there was  no rate  guarantees for  utilities or  IPPs                                                                    
with an RCA  approved return on an investment  and there was                                                                    
no guarantee  that rates would  increase. He  indicated that                                                                    
for Power Purchase  Agreements, long-term contracts included                                                                    
escalating costs that accounted for inflation, etc.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:19:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan directed her  comments and question to                                                                    
Mr.  Jensen.   She  reiterated   that  the   discussion  was                                                                    
exclusively  about the  Railbelt transmission  grid and  the                                                                    
reason that narrowing the scope  was unnecessary was because                                                                    
no other  transmission system formed an  ERO. She reiterated                                                                    
that  Juneau's investor  owned utility  was excluded  in the                                                                    
bill. She  relayed that there  was a long development  of an                                                                    
IPP plan in  Juneau that would likely result  in an intertie                                                                    
between Lynn  Canal communities  and mine  power generation.                                                                    
She  deemed  that  the bill  impacted  both  the  generation                                                                    
rates, regulation,  and created  a tax disadvantage  for the                                                                    
IPP to operate and collaborate with the existing utility.                                                                       
She was  concerned with the  unintended consequences  of the                                                                    
bill.  She wanted  the bill  narrowed to  the Railbelt,  and                                                                    
some  language  changed.  She deduced  that  if  the  Juneau                                                                    
utility became  part of an ERO  in 5 years it  would be tied                                                                    
to  other   EROs  (like  Bradley   Lake)  costs   that  were                                                                    
irrelevant.  She wondered  how HB  307 could  be crafted  to                                                                    
help  the Railbelt  but not  have ripple  effects for  other                                                                    
utility groups.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jensen answered that he  appreciated her perspective and                                                                    
acknowledged  that he  heard similar  concerns from  others.                                                                    
He emphasized  that he would  be happy  to work with  her to                                                                    
address   any   potential    unintended   consequences.   He                                                                    
elucidated that  the Bradley Lake project  was mentioned [in                                                                    
the bill]  because it was  state owned,  managed differently                                                                    
than  a regulated  utility,  and had  a  fairly unique  cost                                                                    
recovery  structure.  The  administration wanted  to  ensure                                                                    
that  the  utility  was accounted  for  in  the  definitions                                                                    
included in  the bill.  He was  not suggesting  Bradley Lake                                                                    
rates could stretch into Southeast Alaska and impact rates.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:23:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  noted the discussion  around creating                                                                    
the opportunity  for IPPs  and concerns  around "pancaking."                                                                    
She inquired whether there was  a way to include a provision                                                                    
that  protected rate  payers  during  the transition  period                                                                    
against  rate increases.  Mr. Jensen  replied that  the bill                                                                    
was  not  overly prescriptive  and  provided  for a  gradual                                                                    
process due to  the time it would take  utilities to develop                                                                    
a  cost  recovery  system. He  offered  that  the  unfolding                                                                    
transition process  allowed for  mitigation through  the new                                                                    
tariffs, RCA rate approval, and  a gradual implementation of                                                                    
the changes to ensure minimal  if any impact on rate payers.                                                                    
He emphasized  that it  was a small  percentage of  costs of                                                                    
the  overall   system  and  believed   that  the   bill  had                                                                    
protective measures  as he described.  Representative Galvin                                                                    
appreciated the intention of the  bill and wondered if there                                                                    
were any additional measures that  could be built-in to keep                                                                    
the  rates  low  or  whether  the RCA  had  the  ability  to                                                                    
maintain lower rates. Mr. Jensen  commented that there was a                                                                    
robust  public process  for tariff  setting.  He noted  that                                                                    
well-established protections  were already in  practice that                                                                    
applied to the provisions in the bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:26:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe believed  that the legislation would                                                                    
not reduce costs  to the rate payer. She  was "pushing back"                                                                    
on  the  claim  that  integration  would  reduce  costs  but                                                                    
understood the  need for the  bill. However,  she determined                                                                    
that the bill  was not a cost saving measure.  She asked for                                                                    
more  information on  the commission  and  wondered who  was                                                                    
overseeing the initiative and thought  there was a different                                                                    
governing  body.   Mr.  Jensen   responded  that   he  whole                                                                    
heartedly  agreed that  the  measure alone  was  not a  rate                                                                    
reduction  tool.  However,  he believed  that  with  greater                                                                    
energy  generation over  time,  in the  long  run, it  would                                                                    
result  in  lower rates,  especially  when  compared to  the                                                                    
specter  of  importing  liquefied   natural  gas  (LNG).  He                                                                    
believed that  ultimately it would reduce  rates because the                                                                    
bill allowed  for greater competition, greater  diversity of                                                                    
energy  supply, and  less reliance  on natural  gas where  a                                                                    
great  deal  of  price  volatility was  anticipated  in  the                                                                    
future. He explained that a  coalition of utilities would be                                                                    
required  to   work  cooperatively   to  bring   a  proposed                                                                    
transmission  cost recovery  tariff to  the RCA  for review,                                                                    
modification,   and  approval.   Ultimately,  it   would  be                                                                    
established by the RCA.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB  307  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:29:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB393 Presentation ver. R 4.12.24.pdf HFIN 4/16/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 393
HB393 Sponsor Statement ver. R 4.12.24.pdf HFIN 4/16/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 393
HB393 Sectional Analysis ver. R 4.12.24.pdf HFIN 4/16/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 393
HB 307 Public Testimony Rec'd by 041524.pdf HFIN 4/16/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 307
HB307 PowerPoint Presentation to HFIN 4.16.24.pdf HFIN 4/16/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 307