Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

02/12/2024 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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            HB 296-AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS/LOANS/SALES                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:23:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  296, "An Act relating to the  powers of the board                                                               
of   agriculture  and   conservation;  relating   to  loans   and                                                               
limitations under  the Alaska Agricultural Loan  Act; relating to                                                               
federal crop  insurance contributions; relating to  municipal and                                                               
state   procurement   preferences   for   agricultural   products                                                               
harvested  in  the  state and  fisheries  products  harvested  or                                                               
processed in the state; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:24:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRENT GOODRUM,  Deputy Commissioner, Office of  the Commissioner,                                                               
Department of  Natural Resources (DNR),  introduced HB 296  via a                                                               
PowerPoint presentation titled "HB 296    CROP Act," on behalf of                                                               
the House  Rules Committee by  request of the  governor, sponsor.                                                               
He stated that  the governor's goals with HB 296  are to increase                                                               
food  security and  independence  for Alaskans  and  to grow  and                                                               
expand Alaska's  agriculture economic sector.   The bill  is part                                                               
of a  series of immediate  steps boosting state  policies already                                                               
in statute  while work  continues on  short-, medium-,  and long-                                                               
term recommendations and actions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODRUM spoke  to slide  2, "Agriculture  in Alaska:  Status                                                               
Report,"  which read  as follows  [original punctuation  provided                                                               
with some formatting changes]:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     • Robust Alaska agriculture is a long-held vision                                                                          
     • Hardy Alaskans are farming                                                                                               
        - 2017 national census: Nearly 1,000 Alaska farms                                                                       
          and ranches produced about $29.6 M in crop value                                                                      
          and $40.8 M in animal production                                                                                      
     • So much more potential  with the right support                                                                           
     • Why grow agriculture?                                                                                                    
        - Greater food security and independence for                                                                            
          Alaskans                                                                                                              
        - Develop an economic sector (jobs, value chain                                                                         
          benefits)                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:26:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODRUM  read from  slide  3,  "Agriculture in  Alaska:  Key                                                               
Challenges,"   which  read   as  follows   [original  punctuation                                                               
provided with some formatting changes]:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     • High cost, high risk business                                                                                            
     • Often starting from scratch                                                                                              
     • Market access, supply/demand                                                                                             
     • Lack of infrastructure                                                                                                   
     • Human challenges: more farmers, laborers                                                                                 
        • Chicken and egg dynamic  where can State be a                                                                         
        catalyst?                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:27:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODRUM displayed  slide  4, "CROP  Act."   He  said HB  296                                                               
considers  structure  already  found  in  existing  statutes  and                                                               
builds on three  major components, forming the  acronym CROP Act:                                                               
Capital access, Revenue protection,  and Open Procurement.  These                                                       
components, he  continued, are based  on recommendations  by task                                                               
forces,  division experts,  stakeholders, and  policy priorities.                                                               
These components were  selected for their ability  to quickly get                                                               
direct  support to  the industry  with minimal  new staff  or new                                                               
programs to be developed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:28:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRUM reviewed  slide 5, "Capital Access   The  'C' in CROP                                                               
Act."  The  Board of Agriculture and  Conservation, he explained,                                                               
is responsible for managing the  Agricultural Revolving Loan Fund                                                               
(ARLF), a  key source of capital  for farmers and producers.   He                                                               
said HB 296 seeks to  be responsive to the agriculture industry's                                                               
evolving needs.  Comprised of  seven working citizen members, the                                                               
board finds it difficult at  times to meet the five-person quorum                                                               
statutory requirement,  which can  unnecessarily delay  action on                                                               
loan applications and  approvals.  Reducing the  quorum from five                                                               
to four members would help increase  efficiency of the board.  As                                                               
recommended  by  task  forces, HB  296  would  expand  activities                                                               
eligible  for  ARLF  loans  by adding  shipping  as  an  eligible                                                               
activity to  qualify for  an ARLF  loan, paving  the way  for new                                                               
agricultural transportation  focused cooperatives to  help reduce                                                               
shipping  costs into  and around  Alaska.   The  bill would  also                                                               
allow refinancing  of ARLF and  other loans,  assuming applicants                                                               
and activities are ARLF eligible.   A $2 million capital infusion                                                               
into ARLF would be the first  capital injection to the fund since                                                               
1986, boosting available capital to  lend by almost 20 percent to                                                               
ensure  ARLF has  resources to  meet  the anticipated  additional                                                               
demand due  to the  bill's attractive provisions.   To  keep pace                                                               
with inflation,  HB 296 would  also revise the  current statutory                                                               
cap of $1 million in total loans  to any one borrower.  The board                                                               
would set new  loan limits and ceilings in  regulation, a process                                                               
that requires public notice and public input.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:31:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODRUM  discussed slide  6,  "Capital  Access    Fund  Data                                                               
Points."   He said ARLF  currently has  52 active loans  and that                                                               
the graph depicts  the types of activities for  which those loans                                                               
are  being used  [barley, flour;  meat processing;  other; flower                                                               
fields; livestock,  not cattle; dairy; cannabis  cattle; oysters;                                                               
produce-Greenhouses; hay].                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:31:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRUM  moved to  slide 7, "Revenue  Protection    The 'R'."                                                               
The concept  of state  funding of the  premiums for  federal crop                                                               
insurance, he related,  is already in statute [AS  03.13], but it                                                               
was never funded;  HB 296 would revise the support  formula.  The                                                               
fiscal note  includes capital  to pay for  the state  support; $2                                                               
million would  support crop insurance premiums  for current acres                                                               
under production and  allow for additional acres  in the program.                                                               
The   state  financed   revenue   protection  would   incentivize                                                               
production  to boost  feed supply  and  support larger  livestock                                                               
herds,  which   would  help  offset  risk   and  enable  farmers,                                                               
particularly   new    farmers,   to   invest    in   agricultural                                                               
infrastructure  and  the expansion  of  production.   At  current                                                               
production  in 2023  premium levels,  the five-year  cost to  the                                                               
program  is about  $900,000.   Should participation  grow in  the                                                               
program   as  desired,   which  would   mean  more   acres  under                                                               
production,  additional  capital  can  be  provided  for  premium                                                               
support.  The Alaska Farm  Bureau and task force reports indicate                                                               
state support for  insurance would help move the  needle.  Access                                                               
to  revenue  protection policies  will  help  increase access  to                                                               
capital and lower a farmer's  risk while improving equipment like                                                               
irrigation systems  that boost production.   Mr. Goodrum  said HB
296  focuses on  barley, wheat,  and oats  because these  are the                                                               
foundational  crops  of  Alaska's  livestock food  chain.    More                                                               
secure livestock feed  should enable greater herd  size, which in                                                               
turn improves  the throughput  at slaughterhouses,  improving the                                                               
economics of  those operations.   Federal crop  insurance revenue                                                               
protection is  important because it  covers price and  crop risks                                                               
and could  in the future be  required for feed grain  crops under                                                               
the ARLF loan eligibility.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:33:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRUM  continued to slide  8, "Revenue Protection    How it                                                               
Works."  He explained that  eligible crops are those with revenue                                                               
protection  policies  available,  currently  barley,  wheat,  and                                                               
oats.   In years one  and two under  the program the  state would                                                               
pay 100  percent of  the premium [sufficient  for the]  farmer to                                                               
achieve  85 percent  revenue  protection.   There  would be  step                                                               
downs in years  three, four, and five.  In  year three, the state                                                               
would pay 100 percent of  the premium [sufficient for] the farmer                                                               
to achieve  80 percent revenue  protection and in year  four that                                                               
would  step down  to 75  revenue production.   In  year five  and                                                               
beyond the farmer would need to  pay the premium to attain a [55]                                                               
percent  revenue   protection  and   the  state  would   pay  the                                                               
additional  15 percent  to reach  70 percent  revenue protection.                                                               
The farmer  would pay for  any additional  amount that he  or she                                                               
wants above that.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:35:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODRUM spoke  to  slide  9, "Revenue  Protection  - How  it                                                               
Works,"  which read  as  follows  [original punctuation  provided                                                               
with some formatting changes]:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     • Through federal Risk Management Agency (RMA)                                                                             
       • State role: accept applications, verify eligible                                                                       
        producers, submit verification to RMA, send funds to                                                                    
        RMA                                                                                                                     
       • Producer role: selects coverage at desired level                                                                       
        from an approved provider, reports acreage, pays any                                                                    
        premium not covered by state                                                                                            
        • State does not adjudicate loss claims or cover                                                                      
        losses                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:36:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY surmised there is  an established metric for how many                                                               
bushels per  acre can  be expected in  Alaska for  barley, wheat,                                                               
and oats and that that is the basis for the insurance.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODRUM  confirmed that  the  RMA  has been  tracking  these                                                               
numbers and productions  in Alaska for several years,  so from an                                                               
insurance  perspective is  comfortable  in  its understanding  of                                                               
production in Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:37:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRUM  resumed his  presentation.  He  turned to  slide 10,                                                               
"Open Procurement  - The  'O' and  'P'."   He explained  that the                                                               
procurement  preferences  already  in   statute  apply  to  state                                                               
agencies and to school districts  and municipalities that receive                                                               
state funds.  Procurements that  have preferences include Alaska-                                                               
grown  agricultural products  and fishery  products harvested  or                                                               
processed in  waters over  which the state  has jurisdiction.   A                                                               
protection  included within  HB 296  is that  when responding  to                                                               
solicitations, sellers  of eligible  products must  provide their                                                               
current  wholesale   pricing  lists,   and  debarment   or  civil                                                               
penalties   are   possible   for  submitting   inaccurate   price                                                               
information.  As  well, HB 296 directs that an  annual report [be                                                               
submitted] to  the legislature  with specific  data requirements.                                                               
Other than fishery  products, only a very small  number of Alaska                                                               
producers  can provide  the  quantities  needed by  institutional                                                               
buyers,  which  is why  increased  spending  is expected.    Task                                                               
forces,  the [Alaska]  Farm Bureau,  and others  have recommended                                                               
more  work  on  getting  retailers  to  offer  more  Alaska-grown                                                               
products,  creating more  opportunity for  producers to  scale up                                                               
and to increase Alaska's local food security and independence.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:39:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RENA MILLER,  Special Assistant II,  Office of  the Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of  Natural  Resources (DNR),  provided  a  sectional                                                               
analysis of  HB 296  on behalf  of the  House Rules  Committee by                                                               
request of the  governor, sponsor.  She spoke to  slides 11-16 in                                                               
Mr. Goodrum's  PowerPoint presentation.   She reviewed  slide 11,                                                               
"HB 296  - Sectional Overview,"  which read as  follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided with some formatting changes]:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        • Capital access  Sections 1-6                                                                                          
        • Revenue protection  Sections 7-10, 23                                                                                 
        • Open Procurement  Sections 11-22, 24-25                                                                               
        • Four effective dates                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLER  moved  to  slide  12,  "HB  296  Sectional  Analysis                                                               
(version  \A)."   She discussed  sections 1-7:   Section  1 would                                                               
reduce  the seven-member  Board of  Agriculture and  Conservation                                                               
(Board) quorum  from five  to four.   Section  2 would  allow the                                                               
Board to refinance  debt and to make loans for  shipping costs to                                                               
and within  the state.   Section  3 would  remove the  $1 million                                                               
maximum amount  of cumulative  Board loans  to any  one borrower,                                                               
and  Board would  set maximums  in regulation;  and would  update                                                               
loan  security requirements.   Section  4 would  remove statutory                                                               
cap  to borrowers  in farm  disaster areas  for short-term  loans                                                               
(less than one year) and  Board would set maximums in regulation;                                                               
would  increase cap  for  borrowers not  in  farm disaster  area.                                                               
Section  5 would  increase  the cap  on  farm product  processing                                                               
loans  from $250,000  to $500,000  and  would make  corresponding                                                               
adjustments related  to loan  priority and  security.   Section 6                                                               
would remove  $250,000 statutory cap  on loans for  clearing land                                                               
and  Board would  set maximum  in  regulation.   Section 7  would                                                               
increase the  state contribution  toward producers'  federal crop                                                               
insurance revenue  protection policy premiums, and  state support                                                               
would step down after year two.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:43:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   RAUSCHER  asked   whether  he   is  correct   in                                                               
understanding that  HB 296  would remove  the $1  million ceiling                                                               
for loans and the ceiling would be addressed through regulation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLER  replied   yes  and  explained  that   the  Board  of                                                               
Agriculture   and  Conservation   has  authority   to  promulgate                                                               
regulations and would do so to set that cap.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER asked  whether the  idea of  having [the                                                               
ceiling] in regulation is to lower or to raise [the ceiling].                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLER  offered her  belief that it  is to  allow flexibility                                                               
and to raise that [ceiling].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  asked  whether flexibility  means  [the                                                               
ceiling] could be  one amount for one person or  farm and not for                                                               
another.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLER responded that the  flexibility is in updating that as                                                               
conditions require year after year should  it be needed.  With it                                                               
currently set in  statute, an act of the  legislature is required                                                               
to revise  [the ceiling].   The bill  would provide the  Board of                                                               
Agriculture and  Conservation with  the flexibility to  revise it                                                               
by regulation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:44:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLER resumed  the  sectional  analysis for  HB  296.   She                                                               
explained that Section  7 starts into those  sections relating to                                                               
the  revenue protection  of the  federal  crop insurance  premium                                                               
support.    Section 7  would  increase  the state's  contribution                                                               
towards  the producers'  federal crop  insurance policy  premiums                                                               
and go to the tiered system  outlined by Mr. Goodrum; it would be                                                               
on  a percentage  of revenue  protection defined  in Section  10.                                                               
Section  7 would  also replace  provisions that  are repealed  by                                                               
Section 23  of the bill  relating to statutory language  from the                                                               
1980s.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:45:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLER continued  to slide  13, "HB  296 Sectional  Analysis                                                               
(continued)."    She  said Section  8  would  provide  conforming                                                               
changes to  align with Section 7.   Section 9 would  allow DNR to                                                               
adopt  regulations for  the crop  insurance program  described in                                                               
Section 7.   Section 10 would define the  term revenue protection                                                               
in  reference to  the Code  of Federal  Regulations.   Section 11                                                               
would, for a five-year period,  require that municipalities which                                                               
receive  state funds  to buy  in-state  agricultural products  no                                                               
matter  how much  more they  cost compared  to outside  products,                                                               
providing  that  the product  is  available  in similar  quality.                                                               
Section 12 would,  at the end of the five-year  period, revert to                                                               
current statute which says that  municipalities "must" buy an in-                                                               
state product if it's no more  than 7 percent more expensive than                                                               
out-of-state products and  "may" buy it if it's up  to 15 percent                                                               
more expensive.  Section 13  would, for a five-year period, would                                                               
do the same as Section 11 in relation to the purchase of in-                                                                    
state fisheries  products.  Section 14  would, at the end  of the                                                               
five-year  period, revert  to the  current  preference for  those                                                               
fisheries  products.   Section  15  would,  during the  five-year                                                               
period of broadening procurement  preferences, require sellers of                                                               
these  agricultural   or  fisheries  products  to   submit  their                                                               
wholesale  price  lists  when   responding  to  a  municipality's                                                               
solicitation  for  purchase.     A  seller  providing  inaccurate                                                               
pricing information would receive penalties for doing so.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:48:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  remarked that  the public  might be  concerned about                                                               
the Section  11 provision that  municipalities must  buy in-state                                                               
agricultural products no matter the  cost.  There could be market                                                               
manipulation, he  said, such as someone  outrageously overpricing                                                               
a product and yet cornering the market on that product.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLER replied  that current  statute provides  a preference                                                               
for  in-state agricultural  or fisheries  products  that says  if                                                               
there  is a  similar  quality product  in-state to  out-of-state,                                                               
then  the in-state  product gets  a  7 percent  preference.   The                                                               
preference applies  to municipalities receiving state  money that                                                               
are also procuring  these products to local  school districts and                                                               
to any agencies of the state.   That preference would be expanded                                                               
by  HB  296  to  say  that  for  a  five-year  trial  period  the                                                               
preference won't  stop at 7 percent;  rather, if there is  an in-                                                               
state  version  of  the  product  that  is  available,  then  the                                                               
municipality  with the  state's institutional  buying power  must                                                               
purchase it.   [The bill includes] protections  to be responsible                                                               
with this public money, reporting  being a key protection aspect.                                                               
The   five-year  trial   period  combined   with  the   reporting                                                               
requirement is intended to provide  the legislature with data and                                                               
information  to  determine  how this  procurement  preference  is                                                               
working, and  whether to extend  that preference or to  revert to                                                               
the 7 percent or to take some other approach.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  said he  likes incentives to  buy in-state  but that                                                               
this provision seems to be a bit non-free market.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:50:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether  evidence is available which                                                               
shows that the 7 percent  preference isn't effective.  He further                                                               
asked whether  information is available  regarding having  no cap                                                               
for buying Alaska,  and whether most of  the Alaska-grown product                                                               
would be captured  if the preference was raised to  10, 20, or 50                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLER  answered that DNR  doesn't have much data  right now.                                                               
It  is known  that  there  is a  limited  amount of  Alaska-grown                                                               
agricultural products that are being  produced in quantity and in                                                               
a  form that  conforms with  the needs  of the  potential buyers.                                                               
Sometimes there is variation in the  form of the product, such as                                                               
an  institution  may  require  cut  broccoli  versus  a  head  of                                                               
broccoli.    Relating  to  the drive  toward  food  security  and                                                               
independence, the administration is  looking with this preference                                                               
to open doors  for producers to expand their markets  and in this                                                               
instance to  leverage the state's  institutional buying  power to                                                               
do so.   While more  work is needed  on longer term  solutions to                                                               
expand  market access,  this  preference  is a  step  to take  an                                                               
immediate action and perhaps see some immediate gain.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  stated he  supports food security  but is                                                               
concerned about writing  a blank check.  He said  he would prefer                                                               
to have  some parameters  to protect the  exchequer if  7 percent                                                               
isn't effective.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLER offered her understanding.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:53:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLER resumed  the sectional  analysis.   She proceeded  to                                                               
slide 14,  "HB 296 Sectional  Analysis (continued)".   She stated                                                               
that  Section 16  would,  at  the end  of  the five-year  period,                                                               
remove  the protection  of  submitting  wholesale pricelists  for                                                               
those municipal  contracts.  Section  17 would go  into different                                                               
statute,  the  procurement  preference  for  state  agencies  and                                                               
school districts, and would do the  exact same thing.  Section 18                                                               
would, at the end of the  five-year period for Section 17, revert                                                               
to current  statute.  Section 19  would put in a  five-year pilot                                                               
period regarding municipalities and  fisheries products.  Section                                                               
20 would,  [at the end of  the five-year period for  Section 19],                                                               
revert to current  statute.  Section 21  would provide protection                                                               
by  requiring  that  wholesale  pricelists  [be  submitted]  when                                                               
responding  to  a state  or  school  district's solicitation  for                                                               
agriculture  products.   Section 22  would,  [at the  end of  the                                                               
five-year  period], revert  to the  current statute  that doesn't                                                               
require the submission of wholesale pricelists.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:55:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLER  displayed  slide  15,  "HB  296  Sectional  Analysis                                                               
(continued)".  She said Section  23, which relates to the federal                                                               
crop  insurance   contributions,  would  prescribe   the  state's                                                               
contribution towards  crop insurance  for each  covered producer,                                                               
with Section  7 establishing the  new formula.  Section  24 would                                                               
require the  Department of Administration  and the  Department of                                                               
Commerce, Community, and Economic  Development to put together an                                                               
annual  report to  the  legislature.   Section  25 would  provide                                                               
transitional  language  for  how pending  procurements  would  be                                                               
addressed while transitioning to the  new preference.  Section 26                                                               
would allow  the Board  of Agriculture  and Conservation  and the                                                               
Department of Natural Resources  to implement regulations related                                                               
to the bill.  Section [27]  would set an immediate effective date                                                               
for  Section  1   relating  to  the  Board   of  Agriculture  and                                                               
Conservation   quorum  and   Section  26   allowing  regulations.                                                               
Section 28  would set a  7/1/24 effective date for  the five-year                                                               
pilot procurement  preference increase.   Section 29 would  set a                                                               
7/1/25  effective date  for  the sections  related  to the  state                                                               
support for  the federal crop insurance  premiums; this effective                                                               
date would provide  a year for the [Division  of Agriculture] and                                                               
the Department  of Law to  work together on regulations  for that                                                               
program.   Section  30 would  set  a 6/30/29  effective date  for                                                               
those procurement  sections to revert  to current statute  at the                                                               
end of that five-year trial.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:57:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY asked whether there  is currently a problem with loan                                                               
defaults given that HB 296 would expand the program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:57:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN SCORESBY, Director, Division  of Agriculture, Department of                                                               
Natural Resources (DNR), answered that  of the 52 loans, five are                                                               
currently in  default.   He said [the  division] is  working with                                                               
those five  on a regular basis  to bring those loans  current and                                                               
paid off  and the  division is confident  that that  process will                                                               
continue to work.  He  expressed his opinion that the performance                                                               
is high on the kind of loans the division does.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY concurred.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:58:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked what  DNR is  doing to  increase the                                                               
number  of U.S.  Department of  Agriculture (USDA)  approved meat                                                               
processing plants,  given they  are the end  of the  supply chain                                                               
that is being talked about.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCORESBY  replied that Alaska has  three USDA slaughterhouses                                                               
which  are  in  Delta  Junction,  North  Pole,  and  Palmer.    A                                                               
livestock grower  can sell  live animals to  anyone at  an agreed                                                               
price without  a USDA  inspection at slaughter.   There  are some                                                               
mobile slaughterers  that kill animals  on site and  deliver them                                                               
to a processor where they  are processed and packaged for someone                                                               
to take  home.  It is  legal by all  standards.  To get  into the                                                               
retail chain,  it must  go through a  USDA slaughterer;  there is                                                               
some protection  for the  rancher as  well as  the buyer  when an                                                               
animal gets slaughtered through a USDA inspected facility.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  offered his understanding that  there is a                                                               
need in  Alaska for USDA  processors because the  state's prisons                                                               
and schools  must use  USDA meat.   So,  he continued,  the state                                                               
must ensure there is end processing for those products.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCORESBY responded  that the state was once down  to two USDA                                                               
processors.   He explained that the  problem with slaughterhouses                                                               
in  Alaska is  the shortage  of animals  for slaughter  capacity.                                                               
Increased  animals  on  the  farm  and  their  being  killed  and                                                               
processed  in  a  USDA  facility  would make  all  of  them  more                                                               
successful and maybe even profitable.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether there  is an estimate of the                                                               
amount  of  loans  held  by   private  borrowers  that  might  be                                                               
refinanced under Section 2.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCORESBY  answered that it is  unknown who would come  to the                                                               
division with a refinance request.   He said there are farm loans                                                               
from other institutions  at a higher interest rate  than what the                                                               
division is currently charging,  and the division would entertain                                                               
some  business from  those.   A refinance  loan, he  noted, would                                                               
still need to meet all ARLF criteria as per a new loan would.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER pointed  out that  the Alaska  Commercial                                                               
Fishing  and  Agriculture  Bank (CFAB)  makes  similar  kinds  of                                                               
loans.   He  asked whether  there are  CFAB loans  that might  be                                                               
refinanced at a lower rate through ARLF.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCORESBY replied  that [the  division] has  some mariculture                                                               
loans within  its portfolio.   However,  until an  application is                                                               
seen, it is unknown whether it meets [ARLF's] criteria.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked whether there  is any idea  on what                                                               
the demand might be for loans to cover shipping expenses.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRUM responded that DNR  doesn't have that information yet                                                               
as  this  is  a  new  concept   brought  forth  by  some  of  the                                                               
stakeholder groups that  said forming transportation cooperatives                                                               
would be good for the industry.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:04:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS  stated that she  wishes to engage  with DNR                                                               
in  further discussion  on three  topics.   The first  topic, she                                                               
related, is the inclusion of  manufacturers in the revolving loan                                                               
fund,  which would  require addressing  the part  of the  statute                                                               
that  limits  the  power  of  the board  [to]  just  farmers  and                                                               
homesteaders.   The second topic  is loan repayment and  that the                                                               
State of Alaska should be first  priority, which is a change that                                                               
is included  in Section 3.   The  third topic pertains  to having                                                               
different guardrails  on the procurement because,  she argued, an                                                               
unlimited dollar amount constitutes an  unfunded mandate to a lot                                                               
of departments.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRUM  offered his understanding that  Representative Mears                                                               
is saying  she wants  to engage DNR  in further  discussing these                                                               
topics.  He said DNR is willing and wants to learn more.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:06:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER noted  that  Section 1  would change  the                                                               
quorum for the  Board of Agriculture and  Conservation (BAC) from                                                               
five of  seven to  four of  seven.  He  asked how  often properly                                                               
noticed  BAC  meetings  are  inhibited or  cancelled  due  to  an                                                               
absence of quorum.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCORESBY replied  that last  week three  members of  the BAC                                                               
attended a scheduled work session,  but without a quorum the work                                                               
session couldn't be conducted at all.   He further related that a                                                               
year ago when he applied for  his current position as director of                                                               
the division he  was a member of the BAC  and therefore could not                                                               
participate  in the  interviews, which  created a  conflict [with                                                               
trying to reach a quorum].                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:08:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  inquired about the difficulty  in finding                                                               
people willing to serve on the BAC.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCORESBY  responded that  one of  the first  tasks he  did as                                                               
director of the division was to  fill the vacancies on the board.                                                               
It  isn't  easy, he  said,  because  members are  volunteers  and                                                               
aren't paid.   While their travel to board meetings  is paid for,                                                               
most  of the  meetings are  via  Teams.   He pointed  out that  a                                                               
conflict in  recruiting board members from  the farming community                                                               
is that members are ineligible to get operating loans.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:09:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER observed that sections  4 and 5 expand the                                                               
loan amount to $500,000 and Section  3 gets rid of the $1 million                                                               
hard cap on loans  and lets the BAC set a cap  by regulation.  He                                                               
asked why some proposals in HB  296 would double the cap, but the                                                               
$1 million cap would be discarded.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRUM  answered that  the cap  of $1  million would  not be                                                               
done away with,  it would later be set in  regulation by the BAC.                                                               
When  the bill  was  being  drafted, it  was  thought that  these                                                               
numbers made  sense while allowing  flexibility for the  board to                                                               
consider other caps that are better done in regulation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:10:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced that HB 296 was held over.                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 296 Transmittal Letter 01.24.24.pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 296
HB 296 Sectional Analysis 02.01.24.pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 296
HB 296 Fiscal Note 1 (DCCED).pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 296
HB 296 Fiscal Note 2 (ASMI).pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 296
HB 296 Fiscal Note 3 (Fund Cap).pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 296
HB 296 Fiscal Note 4 (DNR).pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 296
HB 296 DNR Presentation HRES 2.12.2024.pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 296
HB 257 - Fiscal Note 1 - DNR (updated).pdf HRES 2/12/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 257