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02/05/2026 09:00 AM House FINANCE

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09:06:43 AM Start
09:09:21 AM HB284
11:06:35 AM Adjourn
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*+ HB 284 TAX COMPACT; SALES TAX; OIL & GAS TAX TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
Invited Testimony
Nils Andreassen, Executive Director, Alaska
Municipal League
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 284                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to   the  Multistate  Tax  Compact;                                                                    
     relating  to  apportionment  of income  to  the  state;                                                                    
     establishing  a state  sales and  use tax;  relating to                                                                    
     taxes levied  by cities and  boroughs; relating  to the                                                                    
     corporate  income tax;  authorizing  the Department  of                                                                    
     Revenue  to enter  into the  Streamlined Sales  and Use                                                                    
     Tax  Agreement  or   substantially  similar  agreement;                                                                    
     relating   to  the   oil   and   gas  production   tax;                                                                    
     establishing  an  infrastructure maintenance  surcharge                                                                    
     on  oil; establishing  a pipeline  corridor maintenance                                                                    
     fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  recognized Representatives  Julie Coloumbe,                                                                    
Justin Ruffridge,  and Bill Elam  in the room. He  asked the                                                                    
Department of  Revenue (DOR) to  provide a  presentation. He                                                                    
asked members to  hold questions to the end  of each section                                                                    
of the presentation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:09:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANELLE  EARLS,   ACTING  COMMISSIONER   AND  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                    
SERVICES   DIRECTOR,  DEPARTMENT   OF  REVENUE,   introduced                                                                    
herself  and her  colleagues.  She  introduced a  PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation titled "HB 284 Tax  Compact; Sales Tax; Oil and                                                                    
Gas Tax:  House Finance  Committee," dated February  5, 2026                                                                    
(copy  on file).  She briefly  highlighted the  presentation                                                                    
overview on  slide 2. The presentation  would address policy                                                                    
goals, each component  of the bill, and  time permitting the                                                                    
fiscal note  and sectional analysis.  She turned to  slide 4                                                                    
and reviewed the governor's fiscal plan:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   Governor's Policy Goals                                                                                                      
    Provide a plan for fiscal stability, especially during                                                                   
     the   next  five   to  seven   years  where   budgetary                                                                    
     challenges are expected                                                                                                    
    Limit spending to ensure a predictable PFD, ensure                                                                       
     fiscal restraint, and prevent  greater taxes from being                                                                    
     implemented                                                                                                                
    Improve Alaska's long-term appeal for families and                                                                       
     businesses by  enshrining a  50/50 PFD  and eliminating                                                                    
     corporate income tax to make the tax climate more                                                                          
     competitive for business investment                                                                                        
    Improve the efficacy of state agencies by requiring                                                                      
     reviews and reauthorization of agency operations on a                                                                      
     regular basis                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Earls  noted  that slide  5 showed  the                                                                    
fiscal  plan in  more  detail. She  turned the  presentation                                                                    
over to her colleagues.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:11:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  looked  at  slide  4  that  aimed  to                                                                    
articulate  the  policy  objectives   of  the  proposal.  He                                                                    
thought it would be interesting  when going through the bill                                                                    
to determine  whether or  not aspects  of the  bill actually                                                                    
did  so.  He  referenced   bullet  point  three  to  improve                                                                    
Alaska's long-term  appeal for  families and  businesses. He                                                                    
failed to  see how  enshrining a liability  that outstripped                                                                    
the amount of revenue being  raised in taxation would create                                                                    
anything but more instability and  a need for more taxes. He                                                                    
looked  forward   to  hearing  the  answer   throughout  the                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:12:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON  SPANOS, ACTING  DIRECTOR, TAX  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF REVENUE,  moved to slide  7 and provided the  omnibus tax                                                                    
legislation  overview. There  were three  primary components                                                                    
of the bill:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Sales and Use Tax                                                                                                      
          o Seasonally adjusted tax rate                                                                                        
          o Effective CY 2027  2033 (seven full years)                                                                          
      Corporate Income Tax                                                                                                   
         o Market-based sourcing effective CY 2027                                                                              
          o Zero tax rate effective CY 2031+                                                                                    
      Oil and Gas Production Tax                                                                                             
          o Minimum Tax Floor increased CY 2027-2031*                                                                           
          o Infrastructure Surcharge effective FY 2027+                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos  elaborated  that  the  bill  would  update  and                                                                    
eventually  eliminate the  corporate  income  tax. The  bill                                                                    
would raise  the minimum  oil and  gas production  tax floor                                                                    
from 4  to 6 percent  and would add  a new fee  for pipeline                                                                    
corridor maintenance.  He advanced to slide  9 and discussed                                                                    
the sales  tax, which  was the largest  portion of  the bill                                                                    
because it would require new  statute. The tax rate would be                                                                    
4 percent for  half of the year and 2  percent for the other                                                                    
half. The  bill created  certain exemptions, which  he would                                                                    
cover later in the presentation.  The bill would require the                                                                    
state to administer  the tax, which he would  cover later in                                                                    
the  presentation. The  bill provided  for  a timely  filing                                                                    
allowance of  the lesser  of 1  percent of  tax or  $75 [per                                                                    
month]  for the  seller  for the  burden  of collecting  and                                                                    
remitting the tax to the state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  turned to  slide 10 titled  "Sales and  Use Tax:                                                                    
Who Pays?"  The tax  was on  the consumer/purchaser  and was                                                                    
collected and  remitted to  the state  by the  business that                                                                    
sold the product  or service. He explained  that state sales                                                                    
taxes  were deductible  from federal  income tax,  for those                                                                    
who itemize.  He addressed  slide 11  titled "Sales  and Use                                                                    
Tax: What is  a Use Tax?" He  detailed that a use  tax was a                                                                    
complementary tax to a sales  tax where tax would be charged                                                                    
on an  item brought into  Alaska that  was not taxed  at the                                                                    
time of purchase  in another state. He  elaborated that when                                                                    
the sales  tax applied the use  tax did not and  vice versa.                                                                    
The tax  only applied  to sales. He  expounded that  the use                                                                    
tax used to be primarily  for online sales, but online sales                                                                    
were mostly taxed currently after  the Wayfair Supreme Court                                                                    
decision. In the past, states  applied the use tax to online                                                                    
sales, but it  was on the honor system and  it had been hard                                                                    
to collect the taxes.  At present, states primarily captured                                                                    
things like  vehicles, while other  items were still  on the                                                                    
honor system. The bill would  require individuals to pay the                                                                    
tax  when   they  registered  their  vehicle.   Other  major                                                                    
purchases brought  in through customs  were reported  to the                                                                    
Tax Division and would be  captured. Other things would have                                                                    
to be self-reported.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:15:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  addressed slide  12 titled  "Sales and  Use Tax:                                                                    
Internet  Sales." He  explained  that historically  internet                                                                    
sales  were not  taxed by  states  unless the  seller had  a                                                                    
physical presence in the state.  The situation resulted in a                                                                    
string  of legal  cases  with the  most  recent being  Quill                                                                    
Corporation v. North  Dakota. He elaborated that  up to 1992                                                                    
most cross border  sales were made via mail  order. In 2000,                                                                    
physical presence  was not as  much of a concern  for states                                                                    
and they  started to question  if the standard  should still                                                                    
be applied  given that  most cross  border sales  had become                                                                    
internet  based and  computers made  the burden  of tracking                                                                    
taxes in various jurisdictions  simpler. The Supreme Court's                                                                    
decision on Quill  stated that a taxpayer  and seller should                                                                    
not   have  to   know  the   burden  in   the  hundreds   of                                                                    
jurisdictions it sold its goods  into and because of that it                                                                    
was overly  burdensome and they  should not have  to collect                                                                    
the tax  at all and the  burden should be on  the individual                                                                    
resident  to   report  and  remit  the   tax.  South  Dakota                                                                    
challenged the  ruling because  online sales  were prominent                                                                    
and  modern computer  systems allowed  for simpler  tracking                                                                    
and  reporting.  South  Dakota   started  the  "kill  Quill"                                                                    
movement  and it  passed  a law  to  challenge the  physical                                                                    
presence  standard and  applied  its sales  tax to  internet                                                                    
sales.  The online  seller Wayfair  challenged the  law. The                                                                    
case went  to the U.S.  Supreme Court, which  overturned the                                                                    
precedent in the  Quill case and ruled that as  long as long                                                                    
as a state met three criteria,  it could apply the sales tax                                                                    
to remote sellers with no  physical presence in their state.                                                                    
The  first  criterion  was  that   a  company  had  to  have                                                                    
substantial economic  nexus with  the state. He  stated that                                                                    
HB  284 did  that by  having a  threshold of  $100,000 sales                                                                    
into the state, which the  Supreme Court determined in South                                                                    
Dakota was a substantial nexus.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos addressed the second  criterion that a state must                                                                    
apply  nondiscriminatory   standards  to  all   sellers.  He                                                                    
explained  that the  bill met  the test  by having  only one                                                                    
sales tax that  applied to instate and out  of state sellers                                                                    
in the  same manner.  The third criterion  was that  a state                                                                    
must  not impose  undue burdens  on  interstate commerce  by                                                                    
ensuring  that the  compliance  process  was reasonable  and                                                                    
fair. He  explained that the bill  proposed to do so  in the                                                                    
same  way   as  South  Dakota   by  having  all   sales  tax                                                                    
administered at the state level.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:19:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  noted that Representative Bynum  joined the                                                                    
committee. He added  that questions would be  held until the                                                                    
end of each section.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos   moved  to  slide   13  "Sales  and   Use  Tax:                                                                    
Administration." He  detailed that  taxes would  be remitted                                                                    
to the state  by the seller using the  revenue online system                                                                    
that  allowed   the  electronic   filing  of   tax  returns,                                                                    
electronic payments,  and electronic communication  with the                                                                    
Tax Division in a secure  system. The state would administer                                                                    
the  tax to  be  compliant  with the  Wayfair  case. In  the                                                                    
Wayfair case,  the Supreme Court highlighted  that the South                                                                    
Dakota  system  for  administering  sales and  use  tax  was                                                                    
designed to minimize burdens in  interstate commerce. One of                                                                    
the   key  factors   was   centralized  administration.   He                                                                    
elaborated that the court pointed  out that South Dakota had                                                                    
a  single state  level taxing  authority that  handled state                                                                    
and local  taxes, which meant  the sellers had  to register,                                                                    
file, and remit  to one system instead of  hundreds of local                                                                    
tax  jurisdictions  separately.   The  streamlined  approach                                                                    
reduced  compliance  complexity  and supported  the  court's                                                                    
finding  that the  law did  not  impose an  undue burden  on                                                                    
interstate commerce. He expounded  that the court contrasted                                                                    
the  approach with  states  with  fragmented systems,  which                                                                    
could  create  significant   administrative  challenges  for                                                                    
remote sellers.  He stated  that South  Dakota's centralized                                                                    
system was  cited as being constitutionally  sound under the                                                                    
Commerce Clause.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos advanced  to slide 14 titled "Sales  and Use Tax:                                                                    
Comparison  to  Other  States." He  relayed  that  the  vast                                                                    
majority of states  levied a sales and use  tax. He detailed                                                                    
that  at the  4 percent  rate proposed  in the  bill, Alaska                                                                    
would tie  with five other  states as the second  lowest tax                                                                    
rate  in the  nation. He  noted that  at the  2 percent  tax                                                                    
rate, Alaska would be the lowest  tax rate in the nation. He                                                                    
added  that  when  combining the  average  local  sales  tax                                                                    
rates, Alaska would have the  sixth lowest tax rate compared                                                                    
to other states.  He stated that the broad base  in the bill                                                                    
allowed for a low rate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  turned to  slide 15 titled  "Sales and  Use Tax:                                                                    
Exemptions." The  intent was to  have a broad tax  base that                                                                    
applied to  most consumer goods  and services,  allowing for                                                                    
one of  the lowest rates in  the nation. He stated  that the                                                                    
governor   deliberately   excluded   intermediate   business                                                                    
transactions  that could  lead  to  "tax pyramiding."  There                                                                    
could be  multiple tax levels in  the chain of a  good as it                                                                    
made  its way  to a  consumer.  He explained  that the  bill                                                                    
structure   was   straightforward,    beginning   with   the                                                                    
assumption  that  all  goods and  services  were  taxed  and                                                                    
listing  specific exemptions  one by  one. He  detailed that                                                                    
the  approach was  administratively simpler  than trying  to                                                                    
define what was taxable from scratch.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:22:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  moved to slides  16 through 17  listing specific                                                                    
sales and use  tax exemptions. He detailed that  most of the                                                                    
exemptions applied to areas where  the state did not want to                                                                    
tax itself  or were required  by the federal  government, or                                                                    
were exemptions that made sense  such as employee wages that                                                                    
were usually taxed  under an income tax rather  than a sales                                                                    
tax.  He referenced  the  exemption on  jet  fuel listed  on                                                                    
slide 17 and  explained that it went back  to interstate and                                                                    
international commerce.  He explained that states  could not                                                                    
tax  transporting  goods  from  point   A  to  point  B  for                                                                    
interstate  or  international  commerce. The  only  thing  a                                                                    
state  could tax  was fuel  used in  its airspace.  The fuel                                                                    
used  in international  or interstate  flights could  not be                                                                    
taxed  when used  in interstate  commerce; most  of Alaska's                                                                    
flights were  used for  that purpose.  Rather than  having a                                                                    
complicated credit system to apply  the tax only to the sale                                                                    
of fuel  used in  Alaska's airspace,  the bill  excluded jet                                                                    
fuel completely.  He stated  it was  also excluded  on motor                                                                    
fuel tax  and jet fuel  was excluded for different  fees for                                                                    
things like the Spill Prevention and Response Fund (SPAR).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:24:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  thanked the department  for the  high level                                                                    
introduction of the sales tax portion of the bill.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  stated that the Wayfair  case also had                                                                    
a  transactions  test, which  he  believed  was 200+  annual                                                                    
transactions. He did not see it outlined in the bill.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos replied  that after  Wayfair was  decided, South                                                                    
Dakota  wanted  to  ensure  it   would  meet  the  standard;                                                                    
therefore, there were two tests.  Most states currently only                                                                    
had one  test. He  shared that  in conversations  with those                                                                    
states   they  strongly   recommended   against  using   the                                                                    
transaction test  because, for  example, it was  possible to                                                                    
sell 50 keychains  into a state at a total  cost of $50, and                                                                    
requiring the filing and remittance of  a tax on the $50 was                                                                    
overly burdensome. He relayed  that $100,000 was the current                                                                    
standard for most states.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  looked at  slide 11 pertaining  to the                                                                    
use tax. He  interpreted the slide to mean that  the use tax                                                                    
could be  applied on anything  that could have been  sold in                                                                    
Alaska  including purchases  made outside  and brought  into                                                                    
the  state.  He  highlighted that  many  Alaskans  purchased                                                                    
vehicles  in Washington  and brought  them  into Alaska.  He                                                                    
asked  what  happened  to  the  use  fee  on  that  type  of                                                                    
purchase.                                                                                                                       
Mr.  Spanos replied  that if  a person  purchased a  vehicle                                                                    
outside  the  state  the  tax would  be  applied  when  they                                                                    
registered the vehicle in Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  for  verification  that if  the                                                                    
bill became law  all of the individuals  buying vehicles out                                                                    
of state  would have to pay  the 4 percent or  2 percent tax                                                                    
when they  registered the vehicle  [in Alaska]. He  asked if                                                                    
the  seasonal sales  tax would  be applied  at the  point of                                                                    
purchase  or the  point of  registration.  He remarked  that                                                                    
there  was a  material difference  between registering  at 4                                                                    
percent and registering at 2 percent.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos responded  that the tax was  paid at registration                                                                    
in  most  states  because there  were  numerous  sales  made                                                                    
between  unrelated  purchasers  that  were  not  businesses;                                                                    
therefore,  the   states  captured  the  tax   by  point  of                                                                    
registration  for vehicles  specifically. However,  he would                                                                    
have to look  into the situation where a  person purchased a                                                                    
vehicle at a  dealership. He explained that  some states may                                                                    
have a  transaction there  as well,  but he  believed almost                                                                    
all were at the Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV) level.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:27:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp   remarked  that  the   bill  included                                                                    
exemptions for  purchases made  through WIC  [Women, Infants                                                                    
and Children] and food stamps,  but it did not exempt things                                                                    
that  WIC was  used  for  such as  diapers  and formula  for                                                                    
people not in  the WIC program. He  stated his understanding                                                                    
that all of  the items were currently taxed  under the broad                                                                    
proposal  unless  they  were  purchased  through  WIC,  food                                                                    
stamps, or another type of public assistance program.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  referenced the policy goal  to improve                                                                    
Alaska's  long-term appeal  for families  and asked  how the                                                                    
bill  improved Alaskans  lives when  it  taxed purchases  of                                                                    
vehicles  out of  state, diapers,  formula, and  fuel (apart                                                                    
from jet fuel).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Earls  replied  that the  bill was  the                                                                    
comprehensive  fiscal plan  the governor  had put  together.                                                                    
She stated  that the plan  still allowed  for the PFD  and a                                                                    
small share of sales tax.                                                                                                       
Representative  Stapp pointed  to  the language  on slide  4                                                                    
specifying that  the bill  would improve  Alaska's long-term                                                                    
appeal for  families and  businesses. He  failed to  see how                                                                    
taxing all  of the  aforementioned items would  achieve that                                                                    
outcome. He understood there was more to the proposal.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:29:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin appreciated  the conversation and that                                                                    
the governor  put a proposal forward  pertaining to revenue.                                                                    
She understood the  fiscal cliff the state  was beginning to                                                                    
face and the desire to keep  Alaskans in the state safely on                                                                    
roads they  could travel  on and  in schools  where families                                                                    
wanted to spend  their time. She looked at the  sales tax on                                                                    
slide 9 and  asked about the decision to call  it a seasonal                                                                    
sales tax. She  noted it was a year round  tax. She remarked                                                                    
that it  was not what most  people thought of as  a seasonal                                                                    
sales tax. She elaborated that  typically some states used a                                                                    
seasonal tax  when they knew  there would be a  large influx                                                                    
of visitors  into the state  and they wanted to  ensure they                                                                    
were  paying a  little extra  when spending  their money  on                                                                    
products.  She asked  for  verification  that Alaskans  were                                                                    
being taxed year round by the proposal.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos stated  he had the same concern  when putting the                                                                    
presentation together.  He had looked  it up and  there were                                                                    
states  that  had  a rate  that  changed  seasonally  called                                                                    
seasonal  sales taxes.  He wanted  to call  it a  seasonally                                                                    
adjusted rate,  but there  were states  who referred  to the                                                                    
tax as seasonal when it was seasonally adjusted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  thought it  helped to  call a  tax by                                                                    
whatever it was  that helped people understand  what it was.                                                                    
She  liked  the  suggestion  of   calling  it  a  seasonally                                                                    
adjusted sales  tax because  it was a  year round  sales tax                                                                    
for all Alaskans.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  highlighted there  was a  slide that  showed the                                                                    
70/30 split when  combining the rates. He  noted that having                                                                    
a 4 percent  rate during the tourist season  reduced the tax                                                                    
burden on residents.  Without the 4 percent  rate, the split                                                                    
was 75/25.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:32:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster recognized  Representative Jubilee Underwood                                                                    
in the room.                                                                                                                    
Representative Galvin asked for  comment on sales tax versus                                                                    
income  tax. She  stated that  Alaska already  had over  100                                                                    
municipalities  with  local  sales tax,  which  differed  by                                                                    
community.  She   relayed  that  economists   reported  that                                                                    
historically sales tax had a  larger impact on families with                                                                    
less  nationwide. Additionally,  regional price  disparities                                                                    
in Alaska  would disproportionately hurt rural  residents if                                                                    
a statewide sales tax was  implemented. She highlighted that                                                                    
the  burden  on  nonresidents was  substantially  different,                                                                    
especially nonresidents  who made over $200,000  working two                                                                    
weeks  [and two  weeks off]  on the  North Slope.  She noted                                                                    
that the individuals  went home [out of  state] during their                                                                    
time  off and  paid income  and  sales taxes  in their  home                                                                    
state. She  warmly welcomed the workers  to continue coming,                                                                    
but she  hoped there  had been  discussion about  the topic.                                                                    
She asked why  a sales tax was a better  idea than an income                                                                    
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:34:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Earls replied  that there was no perfect                                                                    
tax regime. The  sales tax would allow the  state to collect                                                                    
from  nonresident   workers  and   tourists  as   well.  She                                                                    
explained that  the full burden  would not reside  on Alaska                                                                    
residents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked if  there was  evidence showing                                                                    
that nonresident workers  came to Alaska and  spent time and                                                                    
money  in a  way that  would pour  revenue into  the state's                                                                    
revenue coffers. She observed  that many nonresident workers                                                                    
flew straight to the North  Slope and straight back from the                                                                    
North  Slope.  She was  open  to  hearing data  that  showed                                                                    
otherwise.  She wanted  to see  data showing  the sales  tax                                                                    
would capture  revenue for the  state compared to  an income                                                                    
tax that would  capture 2 or 4 percent of  their income. She                                                                    
highlighted  that the  2 or  4  percent was  less than  what                                                                    
nonresidents were paying back home.  She pointed out that it                                                                    
would not  result in  the loss  of workers  and nonresidents                                                                    
would not  be double taxed if  there was an income  tax. She                                                                    
did  not  know   that  2  or  4  percent   would  result  in                                                                    
significantly more funds under a  sales tax versus an income                                                                    
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Earls would have  to check to see if the                                                                    
department had the data.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DAN STICKEL,  CHIEF ECONOMIST, ECONOMIC RESEARCH  GROUP, TAX                                                                    
DIVISION,   DEPARTMENT  OF   REVENUE,  responded   that  the                                                                    
department    had   some    information   about    potential                                                                    
contribution to sales tax  from nonresident workers. Broadly                                                                    
speaking, there  were three groups of  individuals who would                                                                    
be  taxed  including  residents, tourists,  and  nonresident                                                                    
workers.  Some of  the nonresident  workers  were coming  to                                                                    
Alaska for extended  periods of time. He  cited the tourism,                                                                    
fishing,  oil and  gas, and  mining industries  as examples.                                                                    
The  model  specifically  broke out  the  share  of  revenue                                                                    
coming  from nonresident  workers and  the department  could                                                                    
provide it to the committee.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin stated it  would be helpful. She asked                                                                    
for a  comparison between 2  and 4 percent of  income versus                                                                    
sales.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:37:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  thought there would be  many questions                                                                    
about  the sales  tax.  He did  not  think the  presentation                                                                    
would adequately convey to the  committee and the public why                                                                    
the proposed  tax was the  desired route. He  referenced the                                                                    
question by  Representative Stapp  about when the  tax would                                                                    
be applied to vehicle  registration. He wondered if Alaskans                                                                    
would all  buy vehicles in  the winter because they  did not                                                                    
want to  be subject  to a  4 percent tax  in the  summer. He                                                                    
looked  forward  to  the answer  to  Representative  Stapp's                                                                    
question.  He  understood  that  one of  the  goals  was  to                                                                    
capture revenue  from visitors.  He stated  that one  of the                                                                    
things Institute of Social and  Economic Research (ISER) had                                                                    
talked about  in a presentation  on the topic was  using the                                                                    
sales tax mechanism  to create stability because  it was not                                                                    
as potentially volatile  as other forms of  taxation. He had                                                                    
asked ISER how  it was being modeled and why  it was modeled                                                                    
that  way. He  noted  that  in Alaska  if  the  goal was  to                                                                    
capture nonresident visitor  revenue, that the opportunities                                                                    
were  tied to  the  economic condition  of  the country.  He                                                                    
highlighted that  the volume of  people coming to  the state                                                                    
for travel may go down when  the cost of travel increased or                                                                    
if there was economic instability.  He reasoned that even if                                                                    
the  number of  visitors  did not  decline, spending  habits                                                                    
changed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  shared that his community  had a sales                                                                    
tax  and the  borough  assembly closely  monitored what  was                                                                    
happening  in its  economy, which  was highly  influenced by                                                                    
tourism.  The  community had  seen  that  a global  pandemic                                                                    
eliminated  all  revenue coming  in  from  a sales  tax.  He                                                                    
shared that he  had asked ISER if it factored  in the change                                                                    
in  people's spending  dramatically declined  during periods                                                                    
of  economic  instability. He  had  been  told no  and  that                                                                    
ISER's modeling was  based on the U.S. as a  whole. He asked                                                                    
for the  department's perspective on the  question. He asked                                                                    
if  it truly  created a  stable income  source for  Alaskans                                                                    
that leveraged  the visitor industries and  people in Alaska                                                                    
temporarily.  Alternatively, he  asked  if  funding the  tax                                                                    
would be placed on the backs of Alaskans.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:41:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Earls  stated her  understanding  that                                                                    
Representative  Bynum wanted  to  ensure the  tax would  not                                                                    
fully fall  on Alaskans.  She agreed  that the  [ISER] study                                                                    
did not  take economic downturns  into account. She  was not                                                                    
entirely sure at present.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  asked  if those  particular  economic                                                                    
instabilities  were not  considered  as part  of the  fiscal                                                                    
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Earls  deferred the  question  to  Mr.                                                                    
Stickel.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  stated he could  provide a  general perspective                                                                    
on  the stability  of state  revenues.  The state's  current                                                                    
fiscal  system had  a lot  of reliance  on the  oil and  gas                                                                    
industry, which tended to be  a very volatile revenue source                                                                    
to the  state. He shared  that when looking at  other states                                                                    
with sales  and income  taxes, those revenue  sources tended                                                                    
to be  more stable than  oil and  gas. He relayed  that when                                                                    
looking  at other  states, revenue  from sales  taxes was  a                                                                    
little  less  volatile  than  income  taxes  in  a  downturn                                                                    
because  income taxes  tended to  be  heavily influenced  by                                                                    
things  like capital  gains. He  elaborated that  when there                                                                    
was  a big  expansion  or  downturn it  led  to large  stock                                                                    
market  gains  or  losses,  which  resulted  in  income  tax                                                                    
volatility.  He  relayed  that a  sales  tax  was  generally                                                                    
viewed by  economists and  tax professionals  as one  of the                                                                    
most stable revenue sources.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  referenced   slides  in  the  current                                                                    
presentation listing  exemptions from  the proposed  tax. He                                                                    
asked if  it would  apply to local  taxes. For  example, his                                                                    
community had  a borough  and a city  with borough  and city                                                                    
taxes, a  sales tax cap,  a senior sales tax  exemption, and                                                                    
items  that were  exempt and  not exempt.  His understanding                                                                    
was that  the bill told municipal  governments that existing                                                                    
exemptions  would  go out  the  window  and the  bill  would                                                                    
provide the  framework to apply  the taxes. He asked  if his                                                                    
understanding was accurate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos responded  that  centralized administration  and                                                                    
having the  same exemptions across  the board  were standard                                                                    
in  states  doing their  best  to  comply with  the  Wayfair                                                                    
decision.  He relayed  that because  it was  a new  tax, the                                                                    
administration  wanted to  learn best  practices from  other                                                                    
states. He  noted that  if there  were other  exemptions the                                                                    
state wanted  in general, they  could be added to  the bill.                                                                    
The  governor started  with a  very broad  base to  have the                                                                    
lowest   rate  and   there   was   nothing  preventing   the                                                                    
legislature  from  making  changes. He  elaborated  that  if                                                                    
there were certain  items that were exempt  locally that the                                                                    
committee or legislature wanted to  exempt, it was an option                                                                    
that could  be done. He noted  that the tax rate  would have                                                                    
to  increase in  order to  hit the  same revenue  target. He                                                                    
stated that the department could model the number.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:46:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  asked if the administration  took into                                                                    
consideration the  impacts on the current  tax structures of                                                                    
communities that were charging  the taxes. There was already                                                                    
a cost  from the state  to organized boroughs. He  had heard                                                                    
from  presentations from  the governor  that if  more people                                                                    
came to the  state there would be a big  burden on the state                                                                    
because  services  were  being  provided and  it  would  not                                                                    
necessarily be good for the state.  He would love to see his                                                                    
community  grow. He  pointed out  that  the services  (e.g.,                                                                    
roads,  police,   fire,  and  other  services)   were  being                                                                    
provided  by  local  communities  through  local  taxes.  He                                                                    
remarked  that   the  sales  tax   provision  in   the  bill                                                                    
discounted every measure that had  already been put in place                                                                    
to  provide services.  He asked  if  the administration  had                                                                    
evaluated  the  impact  on  communities  that  were  already                                                                    
taxing their citizens to provide services.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos replied  that  it was  the  governor's plan  and                                                                    
there  was  no  perfect  tax regime.  He  relayed  that  the                                                                    
proposal was the  regime that the governor  thought would be                                                                    
best for  the state. The  department modeled the  impacts on                                                                    
the state. He deferred to  Mr. Stickel to answer whether the                                                                    
models  went   down  to  the   local  level.   The  governor                                                                    
considered  all options  and landed  on a  sales tax  as the                                                                    
best option for the state.                                                                                                      
Representative Bynum  interpreted the response to  mean that                                                                    
the administration  did not consider or  evaluate impacts to                                                                    
communities  that were  already  collecting  sales taxes  to                                                                    
support the local communities.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos  responded  that  the  governor  considered  all                                                                    
options on the table and chose the current proposal.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  about slide  14, which  stated                                                                    
that the  average local  sales tax rate  in Alaska  was 1.82                                                                    
percent. She  asked how the  calculation was done.  She used                                                                    
Ketchikan as an  example where most consumers  would say the                                                                    
sales  tax  was 6  percent  because  there  was a  city  and                                                                    
borough tax. She  wondered if the rates were  counted as two                                                                    
or  combined   when  calculating  the  average.   She  asked                                                                    
Representative Bynum if the Ketchikan rate was 6 percent.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum replied  that the tax was  8 percent in                                                                    
the summer  with a proposal to  go to 8.5 percent.  The bill                                                                    
would result in a sales tax of 12.5 percent in Ketchikan.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  referred to  slide 14  that specified                                                                    
the average sales tax in Alaska  was 1.82 percent out of 100                                                                    
jurisdictions exercising sales tax.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:50:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos  replied  that  he  would  follow  up  with  the                                                                    
information.  The  1.82 percent  was  from  a reputable  tax                                                                    
website  that  analyzed  all  of  the  states'  sales  taxes                                                                    
annually. The  combined local rate  was computed for  all of                                                                    
the states and the states were ranked based on the results.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  was  interested to  see  whether  it                                                                    
counted all municipalities. She  considered the 1.82 percent                                                                    
average  and thought  it  meant there  had to  be  a lot  of                                                                    
jurisdictions that  only had  a 1 percent  tax, but  she did                                                                    
not  hear   that  from  communities  with   sales  tax.  She                                                                    
referenced communities with a city  and a borough tax, which                                                                    
looked like  one tax to  residents, but to the  tax analysis                                                                    
it may  appear to  be two  jurisdictions. She  also wondered                                                                    
whether jurisdictions  without a sales tax  were included in                                                                    
the analysis.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:51:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan looked  at  slide 16  and noted  that                                                                    
internet access was  one of the exemptions. She  asked if it                                                                    
meant the  utility bill a  person was paying to  an internet                                                                    
provider.  She  asked  about   the  definition  of  internet                                                                    
access.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos replied  that the  drafters included  it because                                                                    
the federal  government did not allow  taxing individuals on                                                                    
accessing the internet under the Internet Tax Freedom Act.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  if  it would  only  apply  to                                                                    
individuals but  not businesses.  She used a  café providing                                                                    
internet access  to its consumers  as an example.  She asked                                                                    
if  businesses would  still be  taxed but  individuals would                                                                    
have an exemption on the utility bill paid to a provider.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos responded that he would  have to follow up on the                                                                    
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:53:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard remarked  that  there  was already  a                                                                    
markup  of about  20  percent in  addition  to a  dealership                                                                    
markup for  vehicles purchased in  Alaska. She  believed Mr.                                                                    
Spanos'  earlier   testimony  to  mean  that   if  a  person                                                                    
purchased a vehicle  in Oregon where there was  no sales tax                                                                    
and shipped the car to Alaska,  they would have to pay sales                                                                    
tax when they registered the vehicle.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos nodded affirmatively.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked if a  person would have  to pay                                                                    
tax on  a used vehicle they  purchased out of state  when it                                                                    
was registered in Alaska.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos clarified  that it  was  not only  out of  state                                                                    
sales.  He stated  that all  purchases without  an exemption                                                                    
would be taxed  by the local sales or use  tax. He confirmed                                                                    
the tax would apply to a new and used vehicle.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked if she  would be paying  tax on                                                                    
everything purchased out of state  like furniture and retail                                                                    
items.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  replied that there  was an exemption  for moving                                                                    
to Alaska  and bringing one's household  goods. However, the                                                                    
use tax  would apply if  a person went shopping  and brought                                                                    
in goods, but  it would be a  self-reporting requirement. He                                                                    
noted that states had few mechanisms to enforce it.                                                                             
Representative Allard  stated she was glad  she was military                                                                    
because  she   would  purchase  everything   including  cars                                                                    
through  the military  PX  [post  exchange]. She  referenced                                                                    
Representative Galvin's  mention of  income tax.  She stated                                                                    
there were approximately 11,045  military retirees and 9,000                                                                    
federal retirees.  She noted that military  retirees were 15                                                                    
percent [of  the state's population], which  was the highest                                                                    
per capita  in the nation.  She asked if the  department had                                                                    
researched how  detrimental an income  tax would  be because                                                                    
of the  loss of military  individuals. She shared  that when                                                                    
she came to  Alaska almost 20 years back, Alaska  was a high                                                                    
consideration because it did not  tax federal income when it                                                                    
came to retirement.  She wondered if the  department had any                                                                    
way of countering an argument in favor of an income tax.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:56:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  replied that  he and Mr.  Stickel had  been with                                                                    
the division  for a  long time and  had presented  on income                                                                    
taxes,  sales taxes,  and  other taxes  over  the years.  He                                                                    
relayed that  it had  been a  while since  he had  looked at                                                                    
income tax models. He deferred the question to Mr. Stickel.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  replied that  broadly  speaking  there was  no                                                                    
perfect tax.  Any tax would  have negative  downsides, which                                                                    
was true  for a sales  tax or an  income tax. The  impact on                                                                    
population and  decision to  live in Alaska  was one  of the                                                                    
impacts of  a tax, which  was balanced against  the positive                                                                    
impacts of having a sustainable  fiscal plan. The impact had                                                                    
been  modeled  by  DOR  "in  excruciating"  detail  and  was                                                                    
covered in the ISER report as well.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard  suggested   that  military  retirees                                                                    
would likely cross  Alaska off the list of  places to retire                                                                    
if the  cost of living  increased due  to an income  tax and                                                                    
perhaps a  sales tax. She  stated that military  and federal                                                                    
retirees  brought  a lot  of  funding  into the  state.  She                                                                    
referenced the phrase "a bridge  to nowhere" that was coined                                                                    
many years  back. She felt like  the sales tax was  a bridge                                                                    
to income tax.  She thought everyone needed  to consider how                                                                    
to avoid it.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum remarked  that the  bridge to  nowhere                                                                    
was actually a bridge to  somewhere and it was in Ketchikan.                                                                    
The community had a lot of hard feelings about that bridge.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:58:42 AM                                                                                                                    
Representative   Tomaszewski  had   the  same   question  as                                                                    
Representative Hannan  about how  the average sales  tax had                                                                    
been  calculated.  He  looked  forward  to  the  answer.  He                                                                    
referenced the  proposed 2  and 4  percent tax  and wondered                                                                    
how to  be assured  the tax  would not increase  to 4  and 6                                                                    
percent  in another  year  or  6 and  12  percent in  future                                                                    
years.  He  asked  how  easy   it  would  be  for  the  next                                                                    
legislature  to  increase  the   tax  amount  and  what  the                                                                    
ramifications would be on Alaskan citizens.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos responded  that the  legislature would  have the                                                                    
ability to change the statutes.  The governor recognized the                                                                    
difficult   fiscal   situation   and  wanted   to   have   a                                                                    
conversation about how to solve  it. He stated that the bill                                                                    
reflected the  fiscal plan  put forward  by the  governor in                                                                    
order  to  balance  revenues  with  expenses.  The  governor                                                                    
believed that  not doing so  was the  wrong thing to  do. He                                                                    
agreed there  would be concerns  about years  going forward,                                                                    
but  when  looking at  the  reality  of the  situation,  the                                                                    
concerns were present already.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski   asked   if  there   was   any                                                                    
consideration about  how to make  it more difficult  for the                                                                    
legislature to raise the taxes  next year. He asked if there                                                                    
was consideration into making it constitutional.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Earls  replied that  the governor  felt                                                                    
strongly  that  the  state's  fiscal  status  needed  to  be                                                                    
scrutinized all of the time.  She stated that a fiscal plan,                                                                    
including a  10-year plan  was hard  to predict.  The levers                                                                    
were available to increase or decrease the tax.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:02:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson looked at the  1.82 percent average local                                                                    
sales tax rate in Alaska on  slide 14 and was concerned that                                                                    
the average  local sales tax  rate must have  considered the                                                                    
larger  municipalities  and  Anchorage  and  Fairbanks  with                                                                    
their  zero rates  because the  mean should  be closer  to 5                                                                    
percent  or  better. He  stated  while  it could  create  an                                                                    
opportunity to  raise lots of revenue  for local governments                                                                    
because many had caps on  purchases above $1,000 and $2,000;                                                                    
however,  he  believed  local  governments  would  fear  the                                                                    
centralization  of the  exemptions. Additionally,  the total                                                                    
tax rate would get so large at  some point it would act as a                                                                    
deterrent   for   local   economies.   He   asked   if   the                                                                    
administration had any concerns with those issues.                                                                              
Mr. Spanos confirmed that they  had concerns. He stated that                                                                    
the governor  would like not to  have a tax as  well, but it                                                                    
was not the  situation the state was in; there  was a fiscal                                                                    
crisis that needed to be  resolved and the governor felt the                                                                    
proposal was the best solution  at the time. The bill zeroed                                                                    
out the tax rate after  seven years so the legislature could                                                                    
determine  whether it  was still  needed. He  suggested that                                                                    
with such a broad base  tweaks would likely be needed sooner                                                                    
rather than  later. The governor considered  everything that                                                                    
concerned  him because  he did  not want  to ask  for a  tax                                                                    
either. He reiterated  that the fiscal problem  needed to be                                                                    
resolved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  looked at the  exemption shown  on slide                                                                    
17  on purchases  in a  trade  or business  when costs  were                                                                    
deductible. He  was concerned that  a substantial  amount of                                                                    
potential  tax  may  not  be   captured  because  all  of  a                                                                    
business's purchases would  be tax exempt. He  asked how the                                                                    
department could assuage his concerns about the topic.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos answered that the  intent was to not tax business                                                                    
to  business transactions.  He explained  the intent  was to                                                                    
have only  one sales tax applied  - at the consumer  level -                                                                    
on business  inputs that  went into an  item that  was later                                                                    
sold.   Additionally,  the   state  already   taxed  certain                                                                    
industries on specific  items such as oil,  fish, and mining                                                                    
and  the  administration  did not  want  to  overburden  the                                                                    
industries with additional taxes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  remarked on Mr. Spanos's  statement that                                                                    
the legislature  could make exemption adjustments  that make                                                                    
require  increases [in  the  tax] to  achieve  the goal.  He                                                                    
expressed  that it  was where  he was  most troubled  by the                                                                    
entire proposal. He had experienced  that the governor would                                                                    
object  to changes  to the  legislation. He  noted that  Mr.                                                                    
Spanos made  it sound  like the  legislature was  welcome to                                                                    
engage  in making  adjustments, but  he had  not experienced                                                                    
the governor  being open  to changes  to his  legislation in                                                                    
the past.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:06:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Earls  responded  that it  was open  to                                                                    
some conversation. She could not  speak to what the governor                                                                    
would accept, but  she believed it was a  conversation to be                                                                    
had.                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Josephson asked how  the conversations would occur.                                                                    
He wondered if the conversations  would occur like any other                                                                    
legislation  where  the  legislature   would  speak  to  the                                                                    
department and the department would  speak to the governor's                                                                    
office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Earls replied that the  questions could                                                                    
come through  the department and the  department could speak                                                                    
with the governor. She offered  to find out more information                                                                    
and follow up with the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:07:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Moore  remarked  that numerous  members  had                                                                    
spoken  about the  fears of  double taxation  on cities  and                                                                    
boroughs  that  rely heavily  on  sales  taxes already.  She                                                                    
asked  for  more  detail  about  how  existing  taxes  would                                                                    
interact  with  the bill.  She  asked  if  it was  a  double                                                                    
taxation.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  answered that  double taxation  usually referred                                                                    
to  an income  tax where  two  states were  taxing the  same                                                                    
income twice.  He explained that  it was standard  for local                                                                    
taxes to be added on top of  a state level tax. He could not                                                                    
think  of an  example  of  a state  that  did otherwise.  He                                                                    
detailed  that the  tax was  only applied  once to  the same                                                                    
item. There  was a state level  tax in most states  and some                                                                    
states had a  cap that local governments could  add taxes up                                                                    
to. He detailed that some of  those were up to 11 percent at                                                                    
the local level  on top of the state tax  that was sometimes                                                                    
4 to 5  percent, resulting in a high tax.  He explained that                                                                    
it would be  the case in some of  Alaska's local communities                                                                    
that  had a  higher existing  tax  rate. For  example, if  a                                                                    
community had a 6 percent tax  rate and a 2 percent tax rate                                                                    
was  added at  the  state level,  the  community's tax  rate                                                                    
would be 8 percent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Moore asked  if the  department had  modeled                                                                    
the household  level impact of  a sales tax  particularly in                                                                    
rural communities where the cost of goods was already high.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  answered affirmatively. He noted  that ISER had                                                                    
also done  that type  of modeling. He  was happy  to provide                                                                    
the information.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster noted  there were  20 minutes  left in  the                                                                    
meeting.  He  asked  members to  think  about  whether  they                                                                    
wanted to extend the meeting.                                                                                                   
10:10:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin referenced ratings  for the state. She                                                                    
recalled being told that a  broad base revenue measure would                                                                    
likely  improve the  state's ratings.  She  stated it  meant                                                                    
that for any dollars owed by  the state, it would likely see                                                                    
a lower percentage owed on top  of the amount. She asked how                                                                    
the bill  would look  to ratings  agencies such  as Moody's.                                                                    
She wondered if it would save the state money.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Earls  replied that  she would  have to                                                                    
follow up on  the question. The state debt  manager met with                                                                    
the  rating agencies.  She  offered to  follow  up with  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked for  a statement  about whether                                                                    
broad based revenue would look good for Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel answered  that broadly  speaking a  sustainable                                                                    
fiscal plan  would be viewed positively  by rating agencies.                                                                    
The department anticipated it would  be something that would                                                                    
favor positive ratings for state  debt, which would save the                                                                    
state money.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin understood the  balance in the state's                                                                    
revenue  had  changed  from  90  percent  oil  revenue;  the                                                                    
revenue  now  fluctuated much  more  because  of price.  She                                                                    
remarked that the  state was needing dollars  that were easy                                                                    
to spend for  services. She stated that  the investment fund                                                                    
was doing well,  but the other piece of revenue  was not yet                                                                    
in place.  She highlighted that rating  agencies found favor                                                                    
in states  that had something  in place as a  safety measure                                                                    
should there be  a need for steady revenue.  She thanked the                                                                    
department  for presenting  the bill  because a  broad based                                                                    
measure was important. She  considered the multiplier effect                                                                    
and  highlighted  other  committee  members'  discussion  of                                                                    
their  concerns about  piling on  taxes. She  considered the                                                                    
1.2 million cruise ship passengers  and noted there had been                                                                    
conversations  about adding  another  head  tax to  generate                                                                    
some revenue.  She heard from  cruise companies  that adding                                                                    
another  $1 may  result in  a loss  of many  passengers. She                                                                    
wondered about  the possible  negative multiplier  effect of                                                                    
adding tax that would impact tourists.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:15:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel responded  that the  department  had looked  at                                                                    
macroeconomic modeling  similar to  modeling by  ISER, which                                                                    
gave the ability  to look at relationships  between data and                                                                    
understand  how  a  change  in  tax  was  likely  to  impact                                                                    
variables  like visitation  and spending.  He stated  it was                                                                    
one  tool in  the toolkit  that should  be viewed  alongside                                                                    
input  from  stakeholders.  One of  the  things  the  models                                                                    
sometimes missed  and could not  perfectly quantify  was the                                                                    
impact on the business and investment climate.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  clarified  she understood  that  any                                                                    
head tax  on cruise  ship passengers had  to go  directly to                                                                    
something  related   to  the   cruise  ship   industry.  She                                                                    
highlighted that adding  extra cost to any  visitor may have                                                                    
a  negative  effect on  the  number  of visitors  coming  to                                                                    
Alaska.  She suggested  perhaps the  Alaska Travel  Industry                                                                    
Association (ATIA) could weigh in  on how taxing visitors at                                                                    
the local and state level may impact travel.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:17:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted that the  meeting would be extended to                                                                    
11:00 a.m.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp referenced  the  policy pertaining  to                                                                    
planned  noncompliance   for  failure  to   self-report.  He                                                                    
elaborated that if a person  brought in goods, the state had                                                                    
no  mechanism for  enforcement.  He remarked  that it  would                                                                    
result in  Alaskans circumventing  the law  either knowingly                                                                    
or  unknowingly. He  thought that  the presentation  made it                                                                    
sound like  noncompliance for  payment was  in the  plan. He                                                                    
asked if  the state  was planning for  active noncompliance.                                                                    
He  asked if  there  would be  any  legal repercussions  for                                                                    
Alaskans  or  enforcement  mechanisms  when  they  would  be                                                                    
breaking the law.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:19:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  clarified he had  been referring to what  he had                                                                    
heard from  other states  that noncompliance  existed. There                                                                    
was noncompliance  in the current  taxes and the  state took                                                                    
action where  it could. He  noted the department  had talked                                                                    
about [tax]  related bills  with the  committee in  the past                                                                    
including the  vehicle rental  tax. He  detailed as  the tax                                                                    
administrators, the  division was  obligated to  enforce the                                                                    
taxes. He  stated that the  division enforced the  laws when                                                                    
it knew about noncompliance and where it was.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp understood  that noncompliance existed,                                                                    
but the  department was  the enforcer  and Alaskans  who did                                                                    
not report items they purchased  and brought to Alaska would                                                                    
be in violation  of the law. He asked about  the penalty for                                                                    
noncompliance and how it was  enforced. He wondered if there                                                                    
would be  random checks on  vehicles crossing the  border to                                                                    
see if individuals  purchased things they needed  to pay tax                                                                    
on.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  replied that AS  43.05 included the  general tax                                                                    
penalties  that would  apply to  the proposed  new taxes  as                                                                    
well. There was a failure  to file/failure to pay penalty of                                                                    
5 percent  per month up to  20 or 25 percent.  He would have                                                                    
to double check the maximum percentage.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp stated he was  glad to know that if the                                                                    
bill passed  people needed to  comply otherwise it  would be                                                                    
an extremely expensive piece of  furniture if a buyer had to                                                                    
pay  the   noncompliance  tax.  He  referenced   an  earlier                                                                    
statement by  Mr. Spanos that  the executive would  like not                                                                    
to  have  taxes  as  well, but  that  the  fiscal  situation                                                                    
demanded it.  He did not see  that in the bill.  He saw that                                                                    
the  bill created  a constitutional  liability that  was far                                                                    
greater  than the  revenue measures  proposed. He  asked why                                                                    
the proposal  was needed  and what its  purpose was  when it                                                                    
cost more than it raised.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos responded  that  the  governor's overall  fiscal                                                                    
plan wanted  to maintain  a 50 percent  PFD to  residents as                                                                    
well  as close  the budget  gap that  existed on  paper. The                                                                    
proposed fiscal plan included taxing  in order to help close                                                                    
the gap.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp countered  that the  proposal did  not                                                                    
close the  budget gap by  the department's  own projections.                                                                    
He   asked    if   the   proposal   closed    the   gap   by                                                                    
constitutionalizing  the liability  by the  department's own                                                                    
10-year projections.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel referenced  a handout prepared by  the Office of                                                                    
Management  and  Budget  (OMB) titled  "Governor  Dunleavy's                                                                    
Fiscal Plan: Comparative  Modeling Scenarios," dated 1/26/26                                                                    
(copy  on file).  The  department  prepared a  comprehensive                                                                    
fiscal  model that  used the  governor's 10-year  plan as  a                                                                    
starting point  and layered on numerous  levers around state                                                                    
revenue  and spending.  The plan  included  an initial  draw                                                                    
from  savings  in  FY  27  when  the  state  would  work  to                                                                    
implement the new  revenues, but beyond FY 27,  the plan was                                                                    
roughly in balance.                                                                                                             
10:23:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  stated  it  was the  case  until  the                                                                    
sunset    of   the    revenues   and    the   payment    was                                                                    
constitutionalized. He  remarked that  in 10 years  when the                                                                    
revenues  sunset, the  liability would  always be  there. He                                                                    
asked how it would balance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel replied  that DOR's  fall revenue  forecast had                                                                    
lower  revenue  projections for  the  coming  five to  seven                                                                    
years. Once production from the  Willow and Pikka oil fields                                                                    
started to  come online and  once the fields  graduated from                                                                    
being  eligible  for  certain incentives  that  applied  for                                                                    
first several  years of new  oil production,  the department                                                                    
was  expecting  a  higher   baseline  revenue  outlook.  The                                                                    
department  also  had  an  assumption   for  growth  in  the                                                                    
Permanent  Fund, which  led to  a higher  percent of  market                                                                    
value transition. Additionally,  the administration was very                                                                    
optimistic  about  a  gas pipeline  coming  online  and  the                                                                    
modeling  layered  on the  assumption  of  revenue from  the                                                                    
AKLNG  [Alaska Liquified  Natural Gas]  project starting  in                                                                    
the  2030s. The  baseline  revenue combined  with the  other                                                                    
elements of  the fiscal  plan roughly  balanced even  as the                                                                    
sales tax and corporate income tax expired.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked that if  all of those things took                                                                    
place,   there  would   be  a   ~$1  billion   liability  in                                                                    
perpetuity, the  taxes would  go away,  and the  gasline and                                                                    
production would net at least another $1 billion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  replied it was  the assumption. He  added there                                                                    
was uncertainty around any forecast and any model.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster explained that HB  284 was the tax component                                                                    
of  the governor's  fiscal  plan. The  governor  also had  a                                                                    
spending cap  bill and a  bill related  to the split  of the                                                                    
Permanent  Fund  earnings.  He planned  to  let  the  Alaska                                                                    
Municipal League  speak prior to  going to the  next section                                                                    
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:26:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  thanked the  presenters for  being present                                                                    
and believed  they had the unenviable  position of advancing                                                                    
a major  fiscal policy  change, which everyone  admitted was                                                                    
incredibly  difficult.  He  believed  the  conversation  was                                                                    
important.  He  thought   the  challenging  questions  asked                                                                    
during  the meeting  were  fair. He  noted  there were  many                                                                    
concerns  with  the  bill  and he  believed  it  would  take                                                                    
substantial time to work through  the bill. He thought there                                                                    
were  many concerns  with  the proposal  that  needed to  be                                                                    
worked through. He considered the  challenges the status quo                                                                    
and  remarked that  the  committee had  not  spent any  time                                                                    
talking  about the  challenges  associated  with the  status                                                                    
quo. He  stated that one  of the opportunities  presented in                                                                    
the  next  several  years  was  potentially  a  gasline.  He                                                                    
believed the governor did a  fairly good job of articulating                                                                    
the concern that  if the state had a gasline  or other major                                                                    
investment, it would result in  a huge influx of people into                                                                    
the  state and  an increased  burden on  state services.  He                                                                    
asked to hear how implementing  a fiscal policy like the one                                                                    
proposed would  allow the  state to  restructure the  way it                                                                    
funded the  size and  scope of government  and how  it would                                                                    
enable  the state  to  be more  flexible  to major  positive                                                                    
developments in Alaska in the near future.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel responded  by looking at the status  quo and the                                                                    
governor's 10-year  plan associated with the  release of the                                                                    
FY  27 budget  and the  DOR fall  2025 revenue  forecast. He                                                                    
explained that  oil prices were lower  and revenue forecasts                                                                    
had  been decreasing.  There was  cost  pressure on  various                                                                    
elements  of state  government.  He stated  that  if it  was                                                                    
assumed that the revenue forecast  held and the state paid a                                                                    
dividend   in  line   with  the   governor's  proposal   and                                                                    
government  was  funded  at   a  fairly  stable  level,  the                                                                    
Constitutional  Budget  Reserve  (CBR) would  not  last  for                                                                    
long. He  elaborated that one  of the slides  the department                                                                    
presented showed that the state would  be able to make a CBR                                                                    
draw  in FY  27 and  FY 28  and then  it would  be depleted.                                                                    
There  was  a structural  fiscal  issue  that needed  to  be                                                                    
addressed. He  stated that as  far as the  broader questions                                                                    
around the issue, it created  uncertainty. He expounded that                                                                    
something would  eventually have  to happen, but  people did                                                                    
not  know  what  (i.e.,  it  was  hard  to  make  plans  and                                                                    
businesses did not know what  would be decided). There was a                                                                    
benefit to  having some  sort of  certainty. He  stressed it                                                                    
was very difficult  to quantify. He noted  that employees at                                                                    
the Department  of Labor and Workforce  Development and ISER                                                                    
had tried  to quantify  it. He stated  that one  element was                                                                    
that  solving  the  fiscal system  provided  some  level  of                                                                    
certainty to  underpin long-term decisions  that individuals                                                                    
and businesses were making.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:30:44 AM                                                                                                                   
Co-Chair  Schrage believed  the  state had  been facing  the                                                                    
fiscal  cliff for  quite some  time. He  remarked that  some                                                                    
would say  the challenges had  been evident for more  than a                                                                    
decade.  He  shared  that in  his  experience  talking  with                                                                    
community,   businesses,   and   other   stakeholders,   the                                                                    
instability  had a  very negative  impact  on investment  in                                                                    
Alaska  and in  public  confidence in  the  state, which  he                                                                    
believed  was   witnessed  in   some  of   the  outmigration                                                                    
currently occurring. He recalled  when Mouhcine Guettabi was                                                                    
with  ISER  in  the  past  and  one  of  the  challenges  he                                                                    
discussed  was  the  large outflow  of  money  generated  in                                                                    
Alaska and going elsewhere.  He referenced another committee                                                                    
member's  discussion  about  the prospect  of  taxing  sales                                                                    
occurring outside  of Alaska. He  asked about the  impact of                                                                    
dollars spent in  Alaska compared to the  impact of spending                                                                    
the money  outside the  state without  any tax  mechanism to                                                                    
capture some of the money.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  answered that  Alaska tended  to have  a fairly                                                                    
transient  population  and  it  relied  heavily  on  outside                                                                    
companies   and  workers   in   some   of  its   industries.                                                                    
Additionally, students liked to go  out of state for college                                                                    
to get some sun during the  winter. He noted that the things                                                                    
resulted  in money  flowing in  and  out of  the state.  The                                                                    
sales  tax would  not  apply to  money  that Alaskans  spent                                                                    
outside Alaska, but it would  generate some revenue from the                                                                    
sales of  outsiders spending money in  the state. Generally,                                                                    
in the  analysis DOR  looked at  pertaining to  spending and                                                                    
employment,  it tended  to be  that outsiders  were spending                                                                    
more in state  than in-state residents were  spending out of                                                                    
state  and putting  in  a  broad base  tax  would  be a  net                                                                    
positive  for the  state in  terms of  the relationships  of                                                                    
where money was being spent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:33:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage  stated  there  were  tradeoffs  with  any                                                                    
policy  choice  in  Alaska.  He  remarked  that  there  were                                                                    
numerous  concerns about  the bill  and  its structure  that                                                                    
would have  to be worked  through. He believed  the economic                                                                    
instability facing  the state including the  negative public                                                                    
and  business  confidence,  outmigration,  and  outflows  of                                                                    
money going to other states,  were all challenges that could                                                                    
be partially  mitigated or addressed through  fiscal reform.                                                                    
He  thought it  was an  important conversation  to have.  He                                                                    
highlighted the  importance of  remembering there  were ways                                                                    
to improve the state's fiscal  structure. He was not certain                                                                    
the current  proposal was  the way  to do it,  but it  was a                                                                    
conversation that needed to continue.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum   referenced  the   undertone   about                                                                    
affordability  in the  state. He  relayed  that the  biggest                                                                    
outmigration  from his  community  was due  to  the cost  of                                                                    
living.  He looked  at slide  4 that  specified the  goal of                                                                    
creating  long term  appeal for  families and  businesses by                                                                    
enshrining  a predictable  50/50 PFD.  He observed  that the                                                                    
PFD  was  major component  of  the  governor's proposal.  He                                                                    
stated  that some  of the  arguments he  had heard  was that                                                                    
enshrining  the   PFD  would  offset  the   pain  of  paying                                                                    
additional taxes. He  referenced the goal of  trying to grow                                                                    
the  community  and highlighted  there  was  nothing in  the                                                                    
proposal to  create stability  in capital  investment, build                                                                    
things, have people work through  the building of things, or                                                                    
to make life  easier for people by  building and maintaining                                                                    
things.  He stated  that  the bill  taxed  his community  to                                                                    
ensure the enshrining of a  PFD. He addressed the challenges                                                                    
with the  concept. He addressed  the goal of trying  to grow                                                                    
his  community   and  fill  teacher,  police   officer,  and                                                                    
firefighter  jobs and  explained that  if the  community was                                                                    
not growing from within it  meant people were having to come                                                                    
to  the community.  He  pointed out  that  the proposed  tax                                                                    
would be immediately imposed on  those individuals, yet they                                                                    
did not have the privileges  of receiving a PFD because they                                                                    
had  to  wait. He  stressed  that  individuals could  be  in                                                                    
Alaska for two years prior to  seeing any kind of relief. He                                                                    
pointed  out  that  on  one hand  the  proposal  created  an                                                                    
enshrined  PFD that  would help  Alaskans and  on the  other                                                                    
hand  communities  were  shrinking and  costs  continued  to                                                                    
rise. He  did not see how  to balance the situation  to make                                                                    
it  more affordable  for his  community to  grow. He  stated                                                                    
that the  proposal did nothing  in that regard. He  asked if                                                                    
growing  Alaska and  keeping  communities  healthy had  been                                                                    
considered  as  part  of  the   calculus  in  the  plan.  He                                                                    
reiterated  that  the  bill aimed  to  transfer  funds  from                                                                    
collected taxes  directly into the PFD  program enshrined in                                                                    
the constitution.  He suggested that perhaps  there would be                                                                    
some members in  the community that did not  receive the PFD                                                                    
or they would not get it for  many years. He asked if it had                                                                    
been considered.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Earls responded that she  would have to                                                                    
look into  whether there was  economic research done  on the                                                                    
impact to people leaving the state.  She was not sure it was                                                                    
completed. She deferred to Mr. Stickel.                                                                                         
10:39:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  replied that broadly speaking,  DOR had modeled                                                                    
impacts of the PFD, taxes,  and spending. He stated that the                                                                    
sustainable  fiscal plan  would provide  a stable  source of                                                                    
revenue  for a  variety  of government  spending to  include                                                                    
PFDs to  Alaskans and providing government  services such as                                                                    
the  capital budget  and education.  The  governor had  been                                                                    
clear that providing a PFD was  a priority and it was a core                                                                    
part of his proposed fiscal plan.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  replied that under the  proposed plan,                                                                    
there  was no  way any  capital investment  would occur.  He                                                                    
noted  that  the state  was  not  making capital  investment                                                                    
currently and  was not maintaining operational  expenses. He                                                                    
remarked that nothing in the  plan was actually causing that                                                                    
to happen,  but it would  put more burden on  communities to                                                                    
pay  taxes. He  highlighted that  on one  hand the  proposal                                                                    
sought  stability  by  imposing  a  sales  tax  because  oil                                                                    
revenues  were volatile,  but  the other  part  of the  plan                                                                    
sought  to  return to  the  volatility  in seven  years.  He                                                                    
understood  there  were  projections  for  additional  [oil]                                                                    
resources coming online in the  future; however, the 10-year                                                                    
projections did  not show that  additional revenue  would be                                                                    
created,  they showed  that a  permanent liability  would be                                                                    
created with no investment in capital.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:41:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked about  the implementation of the                                                                    
sales tax. She  shared that she had done  some research into                                                                    
how important broad  based revenue would be  to Alaska given                                                                    
diminishing revenue. She found it  was pretty simple from an                                                                    
income tax point  of view because it was possible  to take a                                                                    
line from  the federal  income tax as  opposed to  the sales                                                                    
tax that  put work on all  of the local businesses.  She did                                                                    
not see any  slides on implementation and the  cost to stand                                                                    
up the tax and then take it  away in the future. She felt it                                                                    
seemed  cost  burdensome.  She  suggested  that  individuals                                                                    
could opt  to pay an  income tax  when they applied  for the                                                                    
PFD.  She thought  the current  sales tax  proposal put  the                                                                    
burden on  businesses. She asked  how much it would  cost to                                                                    
implement the sales tax and then shut it down.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos answered  that the  costs were  included in  the                                                                    
fiscal  note.  He   did  not  believe  there   would  be  an                                                                    
opportunity  to  review  the  fiscal  note  in  the  current                                                                    
meeting,  but  he offered  to  address  it at  a  subsequent                                                                    
meeting. He  stated that  an income tax  was not  simple. He                                                                    
detailed  that  about 10  years  back  the House  passed  an                                                                    
income tax that did not pass  the Senate. He shared that DOR                                                                    
had done a lot of work  on the bill internally. He explained                                                                    
that it  was a complicated  mechanism that required  as many                                                                    
or more  employees than  were called  for under  the current                                                                    
legislation. The  current sales  tax proposal  would require                                                                    
67  employees, and  he believed  it had  been 72  for income                                                                    
tax. The 67 employees would  cost about $10 million per year                                                                    
(including travel cost for conducting audits).                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:44:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin   asked   if  the   department   had                                                                    
considered the cost to local  businesses that may or may not                                                                    
have  more paperwork.  She understood  that  the state  cost                                                                    
would be  one piece. She  asked about the  multiplier effect                                                                    
of other components.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos  answered that the  cost of implementing  a sales                                                                    
tax  for a  local business  was miniscule,  especially in  a                                                                    
location that  already had a  sales tax at the  local level.                                                                    
He stated that even in  locations without a local sales tax,                                                                    
businesses' point of  sale systems had the  sales tax option                                                                    
built in.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  remarked   that   Mr.  Spanos   had                                                                    
mentioned  earlier  that  taxes  like income  taxes  may  be                                                                    
volatile because  they are dependent on  whether the economy                                                                    
was up or down. She  noted there was some similar volatility                                                                    
with  sales tax  as well.  She asked  if the  department was                                                                    
projecting some level  of confidence that a sales  tax was a                                                                    
better instrument. She thought  it was also indicating there                                                                    
was  a level  of confidence  that the  oil fields  and other                                                                    
areas  would continue  to bring  some positive  returns. She                                                                    
believed the model deescalated the  corporate income tax and                                                                    
because other  revenue (e.g., oil  revenue) was  expected to                                                                    
come in.  She noted it  factored in the projection  that oil                                                                    
price  would be  predictable.  She suggested  that the  plan                                                                    
should  also factor  in there  would still  be high  revenue                                                                    
earning employees working  on oil fields. She  asked if that                                                                    
was the case.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:48:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos agreed.                                                                                                              
Representative Galvin  asked if  DOR conducted  any research                                                                    
on what  percentage of  wage revenue from  oil and  gas came                                                                    
from out of state workers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos responded that DOR  did conduct the modeling, but                                                                    
they were  not prepared to  talk about an income  tax during                                                                    
the current meeting.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  stated that when considering  one tax                                                                    
versus  another  and how  to  best  fill  a hole  [in  state                                                                    
revenue] she  believed the numbers would  help the committee                                                                    
make decisions.  She remarked that many  Alaskans thought it                                                                    
was  not right  that  nonresidents took  the highest  paying                                                                    
jobs  in  Alaska  and  did not  contribute  to  Alaska.  She                                                                    
understood they may  spend money on things  like fishing and                                                                    
camping gear  in the state.  She wanted to be  mindful about                                                                    
what  the bottom  number looked  like. She  would appreciate                                                                    
including  it in  the conversation  because there  were many                                                                    
levers to pull and she wanted  to ensure the right ones were                                                                    
being pulled  that were appropriate  for the  revenue needed                                                                    
currently and in the long term.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:49:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jimmie  thanked the  Akutan and  T'aaku Kwáan                                                                    
tribe for allowing  state business to be  conducted on their                                                                    
land.  She shared  that she  did not  grow up  knowing about                                                                    
taxes. She  relayed that  taxes on  goods such  as groceries                                                                    
and  building materials  in  rural  Alaska included  freight                                                                    
cost. She  explained that  businesses had  to make  money so                                                                    
they added  two to five times  onto the cost for  the goods.                                                                    
She  stated  that  rural  areas paid  year  round  tax  with                                                                    
seasonal  income. She  detailed that  sometimes corporations                                                                    
went into rural areas to  help provide jobs to residents who                                                                    
may  work around  six weeks  of the  year without  any other                                                                    
income the  rest of the year.  She stated it was  now harder                                                                    
for people to  get assistance and individuals  were found to                                                                    
exceed the income  level but they were struggling  to make a                                                                    
paycheck and  to pay for  fuel and food. She  explained that                                                                    
when  they sought  assistance they  were  denied, which  put                                                                    
another burden  on the family. She  stated her understanding                                                                    
that under the tax proposal,  residents would be paying more                                                                    
and receiving less in her village communities.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Jimmie highlighted  that Typhoon  Halong had                                                                    
damaged many homes  in her district. She  relayed that there                                                                    
was no  insurance out in  the bush. She elaborated  that the                                                                    
Federal  Emergency Management  Agency (FEMA)  helped support                                                                    
people in the immediate moment,  but it was designed to help                                                                    
repair homes,  not rebuild homes.  She detailed that  it was                                                                    
to help  repair homes that  families had been living  in for                                                                    
generations. She  stated that some  of the homes  were built                                                                    
and  passed  down  from  parents, which  meant  a  lot.  She                                                                    
highlighted that  many people had  to pay out of  pocket for                                                                    
building supplies  to repair  homes, subsistence  gear, snow                                                                    
machines, four wheelers, and boats  that served as lifelines                                                                    
helping residents  with subsistence. She relayed  that goods                                                                    
all  came in  by plane  or barge.  She stated  that the  tax                                                                    
would apply to freight and the  items would cost two to four                                                                    
times more  than in urban  areas. She asked how  a statewide                                                                    
sales tax  was meant to  be equal when rural  Alaskans faced                                                                    
much higher  costs for basic necessities  especially after a                                                                    
disaster.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:53:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Earls  had   heard  the  concern  from                                                                    
others.  She stated  that the  tax would  spread across  the                                                                    
state. She recognized  that rural Alaska had  high costs and                                                                    
stated that  a lot  of Alaska  had high  costs. She  did not                                                                    
know how  to provide an  answer related to  every individual                                                                    
Alaskan.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos added  that rural Alaska was  more expensive than                                                                    
urban  Alaska.  He stated  that  there  was no  perfect  tax                                                                    
regime and it was difficult to  build equity into a flat tax                                                                    
like a  sales tax. There  was an exemption  for construction                                                                    
and  the  sales   tax  would  not  apply   to  building  and                                                                    
rebuilding  homes. He  noted that  discussion  could be  had                                                                    
about other  exemptions. The current  structure was  a broad                                                                    
base to  allow for a  low rate for  Alaska and the  low rate                                                                    
benefit  rural  Alaska.  He reiterated  that  there  was  no                                                                    
perfect tax regime. He added  that they wished they were not                                                                    
present talking about a tax, but it was the situation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Jimmie  highlighted  the  scenario  where  a                                                                    
family  lost  all  of their  clothing  and  everything  from                                                                    
memories  to   items  purchased.  She  noted   that  it  was                                                                    
expensive  to ship  items out  [to  rural communities].  She                                                                    
referenced a constituent  who lost her home, who  had no job                                                                    
and  no other  way  to pay  for  any of  her  bills and  was                                                                    
selling her own  dry fish while her home  was being repaired                                                                    
just to make ends meet.  She asked for verification that the                                                                    
department  was telling  her that  on top  of local  taxes -                                                                    
which should be  paid to help benefit the  local community -                                                                    
the  individual would  have to  help  pay a  tax that  would                                                                    
benefit urban Alaska but not rural Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos replied  that it was a conversation  and it would                                                                    
be on the legislature to pass  the tax. He confirmed that if                                                                    
the  tax passed,  DOR  as the  tax  administrator, would  be                                                                    
responsible for telling  residents they had to  pay the tax.                                                                    
He stated that  until the tax became law, it  was a solution                                                                    
proposed by the governor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jimmie  responded that if the  tax passed she                                                                    
hoped  the  administration would  help  her  write what  she                                                                    
would need to  tell constituents at home. She  stated it was                                                                    
not okay for  her constituents who were  barely surviving to                                                                    
have to pay for a state sales tax.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  shared Representative Jimmie's  concern. He                                                                    
stated  that while  it sounded  like a  sales tax  was equal                                                                    
(e.g., everyone paid  4 percent), for a gallon  of milk that                                                                    
cost $10 in rural Alaska as  opposed to $5 in other parts of                                                                    
the state, 4  percent of $10 was more than  4 percent of $5.                                                                    
He appreciated Representative Jimmie's concern.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:57:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted  the committee would hear  from AML at                                                                    
the 1:30 meeting.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard  followed  up   on  the  comments  by                                                                    
Representative  Jimmie. She  shared  that  some Eagle  River                                                                    
residents  lost  their houses  in  the  2018 earthquake  and                                                                    
still had to pay property  tax. She stated that her district                                                                    
was impacted.  She believed most  rural communities  did not                                                                    
pay  property  tax. She  stated  there  were people  in  her                                                                    
district who  paid between $10,000  and $15,000  in property                                                                    
tax. She remarked that she  would forego property taxes in a                                                                    
heartbeat and pick up sales taxes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  relayed that hearing  the remainder  of the                                                                    
bill sections would be determined later.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jimmie directed  a question to Representative                                                                    
Allard and  asked if  property taxes  were local  taxes, not                                                                    
statewide taxes.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  replied that the property  taxes came                                                                    
from the Municipality of Anchorage.                                                                                             
Representative Bynum  wanted to  ensure the  committee would                                                                    
have enough time to return  to the point in the presentation                                                                    
where it left off and review the proposal in depth.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster agreed  there was  a  lot in  terms of  the                                                                    
questions and analysis.  He stated it would not  be the last                                                                    
conversation  and the  intent was  to  try to  get the  high                                                                    
level components of the bill  out there. The committee would                                                                    
hear  public  testimony  on  the   sales  tax  portion  that                                                                    
evening. He remarked  that the committee could  come back to                                                                    
public testimony on the other  bill sections at a later time                                                                    
because the committee had not yet discussed those sections.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:01:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum asked if  there would be a presentation                                                                    
by AML in the afternoon.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  replied   that  Alaska  Seafood  Marketing                                                                    
Institute  (ASMI)  and  Alaska Travel  Industry  Association                                                                    
(ATIA) would also present during the meeting.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski thanked  the department for being                                                                    
present with a  difficult task presenting a  fiscal plan. He                                                                    
shared that  during his time  as a legislator over  the past                                                                    
three years, the constant drumbeat  was about what the state                                                                    
was  doing  for a  fiscal  plan  and  how the  budget  would                                                                    
balance. He thanked the governor  for bringing the difficult                                                                    
subject before  the committee. He recognized  it took strong                                                                    
leadership  in  the department.  He  stated  it would  be  a                                                                    
difficult  conversation and  he  looked  forward to  digging                                                                    
into all of the aspects of the proposal.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:02:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  referenced   her  earlier  questions                                                                    
about out of state wages that  the state did not have recent                                                                    
data  for. She  provided data  from 2024  and detailed  that                                                                    
there  were  413,867  people  working  in  Alaska  and  22.9                                                                    
percent were nonresidents.  She elaborated that nonresidents                                                                    
earned ~$3.8  billion or  17.3 percent  of total  wages. She                                                                    
noted that the  numbers did not include  newer projects such                                                                    
as  Willow  and  Pikka  or a  possible  gasline  that  would                                                                    
require 10,000  workers including  5,000 from out  of state.                                                                    
She  relayed  that  those positions  were  estimated  at  an                                                                    
approximate annual  wage of $175,000.  She wanted  to ensure                                                                    
all  of the  information was  on the  table to  discuss. She                                                                    
relayed that the information came  out on Monday and did not                                                                    
include federal employees. She wanted  to think about all of                                                                    
the  choices and  what  would  impact residents,  especially                                                                    
rural Alaskans, less.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  asked  the   department  for  any  closing                                                                    
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Earls thanked  the committee. She stated                                                                    
it was  a difficult  conversation and  she was  grateful for                                                                    
the discussion.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HB  284  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster thanked  the  department.  He reviewed  the                                                                    
schedule for the afternoon.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 284 Governor Dunleavy’s Fiscal Plan - Comparative Modeling Scenarios - 01.26.2026.pdf HFIN 2/5/2026 9:00:00 AM
HB 284
HB284 Sectional Analysis version A 1.28.2026.pdf HFIN 2/5/2026 9:00:00 AM
HB 284
HB284 Transmittal Letter 01.26.26.pdf HFIN 2/5/2026 9:00:00 AM
HB 284
HB 284 AML Alaska Fiscal Policy - Sales Tax 020426.pdf HFIN 2/5/2026 9:00:00 AM
HB 284
HB284 DOR Intro Presentation to H.FIN 02.05.26.pdf HFIN 2/5/2026 9:00:00 AM
HB 284
HB 284 DOR Response to H.FIN on 02.05.26 021126.pdf HFIN 2/5/2026 9:00:00 AM
HB 284