Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

03/20/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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03:06:21 PM Adjourn
01:35:05 PM Start
01:36:55 PM HB144
02:30:07 PM SB22
02:33:08 PM Overview: Budget Update
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 144 REPEAL EDUCATION TAX CREDITS SUNSET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 22 PROCLAIM JUNETEENTH DAY A HOLIDAY TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 22 Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 268 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP; AM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 270 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: Budget Update TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 268                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making capital  appropriations; making                                                                    
     supplemental  appropriations; making  reappropriations;                                                                    
     making  appropriations  under   art.  IX,  sec.  17(c),                                                                    
     Constitution  of   the  State   of  Alaska,   from  the                                                                    
     constitutional budget  reserve fund; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 270                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: BUDGET UPDATE                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:33:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
shared that he  would be providing a fiscal  update based on                                                                    
the spring revenue forecast, the  latest round of governor's                                                                    
amendments,  and  the  committee  substitute  (CS)  for  the                                                                    
operating  budget. He  introduced a  PowerPoint presentation                                                                    
titled "Fiscal Update" dated March  20, 2024 (copy on file).                                                                    
He began  on slide 2 with  an updated fiscal summary  of the                                                                    
governor's amended  budgets. The amendments received  by the                                                                    
Legislative Finance  Division (LFD) on March  13, 2024, were                                                                    
included  in the  update,  as  well as  the  impacts of  the                                                                    
spring revenue forecast.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued that  the revenue  forecast increased                                                                    
the expectation  in both  FY 24  and FY  25, which  could be                                                                    
seen  on the  first line  on the  chart on  the slide  as an                                                                    
increase  of about  $58  million in  FY  24. The  governor's                                                                    
amended  language  included  a provision  that  amended  the                                                                    
Permanent Fund  Dividend (PFD) appropriation  for FY  24 and                                                                    
increased  unrestricted   general  fund  (UGF)   revenue  by                                                                    
another $6.9  million. The UGF  revenue increase  was beyond                                                                    
the spring  forecast numbers. In  FY 25, the  difference was                                                                    
about $140  million of UGF  revenue over the  fall forecast.                                                                    
For agency  operations in FY  25, the  governor's amendments                                                                    
resulted in an increase of  about $1.9 million in UGF, which                                                                    
was not  significant. The capital budget  increased slightly                                                                    
in the governor's amended budget in  FY 25, as well as in FY                                                                    
24 supplementals.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  explained  that  the  biggest  change  in  the                                                                    
governor's  amended budget  was to  the supplemental.  There                                                                    
was a decrease of $19  million for fire suppression based on                                                                    
updated estimates  as well  as some  increases, particularly                                                                    
for the  Grid Innovation and Resilience  Partnerships (GRIP)                                                                    
projects   and   Alaska   Energy  Authority's   (AEA)   grid                                                                    
resilience  project. Overall,  the governor's  supplementals                                                                    
had  been reduced.  The supplementals  totaled $183  million                                                                    
before  the  amendments  were  added  and  were  now  $175.8                                                                    
million with  the inclusion of  the amendments.  There would                                                                    
be a post-transfer surplus in FY 24 of $116.5 million.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued  to slide 3 and stated that  in FY 25,                                                                    
the main  impact of the  spring forecast was a  reduction in                                                                    
the deficit  in the  governor's budget.  The deficit  was $1                                                                    
billion  prior to  the forecast  and was  currently down  to                                                                    
$867  million  with the  inclusion  of  the amendments.  The                                                                    
slide also  included a  visual representation  of the  FY 24                                                                    
budget at  various oil  prices. The oil  prices were  on the                                                                    
bottom and the  revenue was on the y-axis on  the graph. The                                                                    
blue  bar  area  on  the   bottom  represented  the  revenue                                                                    
allocated to  the FY  24 budget  that was  authorized during                                                                    
the  previous legislative  session.  The  dark blue  section                                                                    
represented the  $175 million of  new supplementals.  If the                                                                    
price of oil was below about  $75 a barrel, the budget would                                                                    
have an unfilled deficit, which  was an increased price from                                                                    
his  previous  report  to  the   committee  because  of  the                                                                    
addition  of  the  supplementals.  He relayed  that  it  was                                                                    
theoretically possible for prices to  crash and go below $75                                                                    
a barrel for the year, but it was highly unlikely.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter noted that if  revenue equaled the amount in the                                                                    
spring forecast  or higher, the  budget would have  a $292.3                                                                    
million  surplus.   The  governor's   supplementals  totaled                                                                    
$175.8  million   which  would   leave  $116.5   in  revenue                                                                    
available for the supplementals in  the current year. If the                                                                    
surplus  was  not spent,  the  money  would lapse  into  the                                                                    
Constitutional Budget Reserve  (CBR). The additional revenue                                                                    
would  be split  equally  between an  energy relief  payment                                                                    
that would be distributed as part of  the PFD in FY 25 or as                                                                    
a  separate payment,  and all  additional  revenue would  go                                                                    
into the CBR.  He thought the oil revenue  would most likely                                                                    
fall somewhere between  the dotted lines on  the graph which                                                                    
indicated that there would be  an energy relief payment, but                                                                    
the payment  would not  be maxed out.  The maximum  would be                                                                    
about a  $500 dollar payment  per person  at the top  of the                                                                    
range. He estimated that the  energy relief payment would be                                                                    
about $220  dollars per person  and a total of  $143 million                                                                    
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:38:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter advanced to slide  4, which detailed the changes                                                                    
in  the CS  for  the  operating budget  as  compared to  the                                                                    
governor's amended budget.  He relayed that the  CS was $6.6                                                                    
million  in  UGF above  the  governor's  amended budget  for                                                                    
agency  operations. However,  there was  $10 million  in UGF                                                                    
allocated for  the movement of  a university  capital budget                                                                    
item to the operating budget,  which netted out of the total                                                                    
impact.  He  noted  that  the  governor's  operating  budget                                                                    
amendments,  which  were not  introduced  prior  to the  CS,                                                                    
added $2 million in UGF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  explained that the  CS for statewide  items for                                                                    
the  House was  $5 million  below government  items. The  CS                                                                    
added   $5.2   million   of  new   mental   health   capital                                                                    
appropriations  to  match  the Alaska  Mental  Health  Trust                                                                    
Authority's  (AMHTA) recommendation.  There was  a reduction                                                                    
of roughly $4.8 million overall.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to slide  5 which compared the  FY 24                                                                    
and FY 25  spring revenue forecast items.  He explained that                                                                    
the  chart reflected  adding  the  additional mental  health                                                                    
items in the  CS and moving a $10 million  project to agency                                                                    
operations. There  was no  appropriation for  a PFD  yet. He                                                                    
thought the most  important item of note was  that there was                                                                    
about $1.45  billion remaining that  could go to  any number                                                                    
of items, including the PFD.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  advanced to  slide 6 and  detailed some  of the                                                                    
major outstanding  items in the  fiscal update.  He remarked                                                                    
that  upholding  the  governor's  veto   on  SB  140  was  a                                                                    
significant  action  and  fiscal  notes for  that  bill  had                                                                    
totaled $241.3  million. The  largest item  in the  bill was                                                                    
the  proposed  Base  Student Allocation  (BSA)  increase  of                                                                    
$680, which would cost about  $175 million. There was also a                                                                    
provision  for  broadband  that  may   not  be  able  to  be                                                                    
addressed in  the current year  due to time  constraints. If                                                                    
SB 140  or another  education bill  did not  pass, broadband                                                                    
would need  to be addressed  in FY  26. The majority  of the                                                                    
other  items within  SB 140  could  be accomplished  through                                                                    
one-time items  or permanent  items in  the budget,  such as                                                                    
the BSA  increase and the pupil  transportation increase. He                                                                    
noted that  SB 140 was  the only  bill that had  passed both                                                                    
bodies during  the current legislative  session and  some of                                                                    
the bills still in circulation  would be costly if the bills                                                                    
were to pass.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  shared that  a significant  bill that  had only                                                                    
passed the Senate thus far  was the Senior Benefits Bill (SB
170].  The  legislation  passed  with  a  fiscal  note  that                                                                    
required $23.5 million in UGF  and there were no other bills                                                                    
with fiscal notes as large.  The funding was not included in                                                                    
the  governor's  budget  because the  benefits  program  was                                                                    
expiring. The  program had typically  been funded  each year                                                                    
and extended  when it was  set to  sunset. There was  also a                                                                    
potential  shortfall in  the  Alaska  Marine Highway  System                                                                    
(AMHS) that could  be quite significant. If AMHS  ran a full                                                                    
seven-ship schedule but received the  same sized grant as it                                                                    
had in  recent years, it  would have  a budget of  about $38                                                                    
million; however,  the grant was  not guaranteed.  The state                                                                    
was eligible for a grant that  would be large enough to fill                                                                    
AMHS's entire  federal authority  in the  governor's budget,                                                                    
but the  state had not  necessarily received the  full grant                                                                    
amount each year.  In 2023, the legislature  put in backstop                                                                    
funding as  a compensatory measure if  federal receipts were                                                                    
insufficient.  He did  not think  the legislature  needed to                                                                    
exercise  such  caution  because   the  state  could  assess                                                                    
whether additional funds  needed to be added  every year. If                                                                    
the state  was not  granted the entirety  of the  grant, the                                                                    
costs would likely need to be made up with UGF.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter noted  that there  were four  unions that  were                                                                    
currently  negotiating  bargaining   contracts:  the  Alaska                                                                    
Correctional Officers  Association, the supervisory  unit of                                                                    
the Alaska Public Employees  Association, the Labor, Trades,                                                                    
and Crafts Unit, and the  new University of Alaska union for                                                                  
graduate  student   employees.  The  university   union  was                                                                    
currently working on  its first contract. All  of the unions                                                                    
were actively negotiating  new contracts to begin  in FY 25.                                                                    
If  salaries  were increased  as  well,  the potential  cost                                                                    
would increase.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:44:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  understood that the total  for the                                                                    
new items was not known,   but he anticipated the cost would                                                                    
be around $20 million. If  SB 140 were replaced with similar                                                                    
legislation, the  items would total around  $341 million. He                                                                    
understood that  the $341 million  would be  subtracted from                                                                    
the post-transfer  surplus of $1.44 billion  detailed on the                                                                    
previous  slide.  He   asked  if  he  was   correct  in  his                                                                    
understanding that the total would be around $1.1 billion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that Representative  Josephson's math                                                                    
was correct as long as the  items on slide 6 were funded. He                                                                    
reiterated that  negotiations were  still occurring  and the                                                                    
totals could  not yet  be known.  The negotiations  were due                                                                    
statutorily on  day 60  of legislative  session, but  it was                                                                    
rare to receive the  negotiations by the statutory deadline.                                                                    
He agreed that  the items would total about  $1.1 billion if                                                                    
the  budget were  to remain  balanced and  savings were  not                                                                    
utilized.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  when  he could  expect to  know                                                                    
more details about the cost-budget analysis (CBA).                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that the CBAs were due  in statute by                                                                    
day  60; however,  he was  not certain  if the  deadline had                                                                    
ever been met.  He noted that last year, CBAs  were added on                                                                    
the last  day that it could  have been added to  the budget.                                                                    
He recalled  that the  University of  Alaska (UA)  had asked                                                                    
for a CBA during a conference  committee at one point but it                                                                    
was not feasible. He noted  that there was often very little                                                                    
time  to  review  the  agreements  and  make  a  considerate                                                                    
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked  why it was in statute  if it was                                                                    
not followed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that the point of the  statute was to                                                                    
ensure that  CBAs were considered.  He recalled one  year in                                                                    
which there was an item  that the legislature felt there was                                                                    
no  time to  review, and  the conference  committee wrote  a                                                                    
letter  accompanying the  conference  committee report  that                                                                    
said that  the exclusion  of the  union from  the conference                                                                    
committee budget would not  represent denying the bargaining                                                                    
unit. He  relayed that there  was simply not enough  time to                                                                    
consider some  items and therefore,  the items  were delayed                                                                    
until the  following year's supplemental. He  explained that                                                                    
it was not an unusual action.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:47:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued on  slide  7,  which included  other                                                                    
potential    budget   items.    He   explained    that   the                                                                    
administration  generated a  list of  funding requests.  The                                                                    
first item was $5 million  in funding for a renewable energy                                                                    
fund. When  the governor prepared  the budget, the  list had                                                                    
not  yet  been developed.  He  noted  that AEA  subsequently                                                                    
requested $32  million and the  governor's amount  would pay                                                                    
for the  top two projects and  about a quarter of  the third                                                                    
project.  Last year,  the governor  added  $7.5 million  for                                                                    
renewable energy and  the legislature subsequently increased                                                                    
the  funding   amount.  The  total  list   cost  for  school                                                                    
construction was $260.5 million  and the governor funded the                                                                    
top project on the list for  $4 million. The total list cost                                                                    
for  school  major  maintenance was  $249  million  and  the                                                                    
governor  funded  the top  two  projects  for $4.3  million.                                                                    
Finally,  the state  had a  nearly $2.2  billion backlog  of                                                                    
deferred  maintenance. The  governor had  $28.2 million  for                                                                    
deferred  maintenance   purposes  coming  from   the  Alaska                                                                    
Capital Income Fund and the  legislature had often allocated                                                                    
additional  funding.  The  university  had  a  $1.5  billion                                                                    
backlog  and  requested  $35 million  through  a  bill.  The                                                                    
university  item   had  been  frequently  vetoed   when  the                                                                    
legislature allocated additional funding for it.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked if  the backlog was inclusive of                                                                    
the actions that  had taken place in the past.  She asked if                                                                    
the full list represented the current backlog.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded that  the  difference  was that  the                                                                    
state as a  whole had a $2.2 billion dollar  backlog and the                                                                    
university made  up $1.5  billion of  the backlog.  The vast                                                                    
majority  of the  state's deferred  maintenance  was at  the                                                                    
university.  He shared  that  the  university cataloged  its                                                                    
deferred maintenance  more rigorously  than the rest  of the                                                                    
state. The  university had much  larger square  footage than                                                                    
other   agencies,   which   contributed  to   its   deferred                                                                    
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued on slide  8, which included additional                                                                    
potential budget items.  In 2023, the governor  vetoed a $30                                                                    
million  capitalization for  the community  assistance fund.                                                                    
Without   the  $30   million  capitalization,   the  FY   25                                                                    
distribution would  have been $20 million.  At the beginning                                                                    
of a  new fiscal year,  one-third of  the balance as  of the                                                                    
end  of the  previous fiscal  year  was added  to the  fund,                                                                    
which  would be  $20 million  for FY  25. The  base payments                                                                    
were  distributed to  every local  government  based on  the                                                                    
type  of  government.  The additional  amount  was  the  per                                                                    
capita  payment  and would  be  equally  distributed to  all                                                                    
local governments in the state.  The impact of that veto was                                                                    
primarily felt in urban areas with higher populations.                                                                          
Mr.  Painter  explained  that there  were  a  few  potential                                                                    
strategies  to compensate  for the  funding that  would have                                                                    
been available if  it was not vetoed. One  strategy would be                                                                    
to  fully  capitalize the  fund  in  FY 24  and  essentially                                                                    
replace  the  amount that  was  vetoed.  The other  strategy                                                                    
would  be to  allocate $10  million to  the fund  in FY  25.                                                                    
However, there  would still  be a shortfall  in the  fund in                                                                    
the  following  year  because of  the  $20  million  dollars                                                                    
difference, but  it would fill  the distribution hole  in FY                                                                    
25.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  relayed that additionally, there  were a number                                                                    
of bills that were listed on  the slide that had only passed                                                                    
one  body.  There  were  a  number of  bills  that  had  the                                                                    
potential to become  law. The list was not  inclusive of all                                                                    
legislation  but represented  a  sampling for  informational                                                                    
purposes.  He suggested  that legislators  leave some  money                                                                    
for fiscal notes to ensure  that the bills that would likely                                                                    
pass could  be funded.  The governor's capital  budget would                                                                    
not  include legislative  district projects,  but it  simply                                                                    
reflected the  governor's priorities.  He noted that  he had                                                                    
heard  much  discussion on  the  university  and noted  that                                                                    
there was a difference between  the regents' request and the                                                                    
governor's budget.  There was a difference  of $18.6 million                                                                    
in UGF in the operating  budget between the regents' request                                                                    
and governor's  budget and a  $27 million difference  in the                                                                    
capital budget. He  noted that $10 million  in the operating                                                                    
budget was changed from university receipts to UGF.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  noted  that  he  had  also  heard  significant                                                                    
discussion  on   child  care.   In  2023,   the  legislature                                                                    
allocated $7.5  million dollars as a  one-time increment for                                                                    
child care; however,  the funding was not  in the governor's                                                                    
current  budget.  Also  in 2023,  the  Council  on  Domestic                                                                    
Violence and  Sexual Assault  (CDVSA) received  $3.7 million                                                                    
for  one-time  items, which  was  also  not in  the  current                                                                    
budget. There  could be additional  items that  would emerge                                                                    
in the legislative process that  members could be interested                                                                    
in funding that were not yet reflected.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   asked  for  confirmation   that  an                                                                    
additional  $20 million  for the  Community Assistance  Fund                                                                    
would provide both  the money needed for  distribution in FY                                                                    
25  and  as  well  as  the  capitalization  needed  for  the                                                                    
following fiscal year.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  in the  affirmative, but  noted that                                                                    
the  timing   would  be  different.  The   budget  currently                                                                    
included  $10 million  in FY  25, but  $30 million  would be                                                                    
needed  for FY  24. The  difference was  an increase  of $20                                                                    
million. The $10  million in FY 25 was intended  to "top up"                                                                    
the distribution.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  understood that the fund  balance was                                                                    
normally $90 million  and one-third of it was  paid out each                                                                    
year.  If the  fund were  to  decrease to  $60 million,  the                                                                    
total amount paid  out would be $20  million. She understood                                                                    
that $30 million should be added to compensate.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that it would not put  any more money                                                                    
into the  fund, but would  add to the  one-time distribution                                                                    
in FY 25 alone. If $30  million was deposited into the fund,                                                                    
the  $10  million  would  be  unnecessary.  The  cost  would                                                                    
increase  by   $20  million,  but   it  would   be  directly                                                                    
distributed to communities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  if the  recommendation was  to                                                                    
include a $30 million amendment  into the FY 24 supplemental                                                                    
capitalizing fund instead  of leaving the $10  million in FY                                                                    
25.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  in the  affirmative. If  $20 million                                                                    
was added, the  distribution would be based  on $80 million,                                                                    
and it would not function properly.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:58:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued on  slide 9 and  gave an  overview of                                                                    
fire and  disaster funding, which  was often  underfunded in                                                                    
the budget  and later  paid with  supplementals. From  FY 14                                                                    
through FY 23, the actual  UGF spending for fire suppression                                                                    
averaged $49.3  million dollars.  He noted that  the amounts                                                                    
for FY  22 and FY  23 were based  on the amount  included in                                                                    
the  budget  in  addition  to the  final  supplemental.  The                                                                    
reconciliation  process for  the  funding took  a number  of                                                                    
years, but  $49.3 million was  the average  final authorized                                                                    
amount.   The  governor's   budget   for  fire   suppression                                                                    
preparedness included  $14.2 million, which meant  there was                                                                    
a  difference of  $35 million.  The  governor's budget  also                                                                    
included  an increment  to increase  firefighters' salaries.                                                                    
The  state would  need to  allocate about  $49.3 million  in                                                                    
order  to   fund  an  average  fire   year.  The  governor's                                                                    
supplemental  budget included  $75  million in  supplemental                                                                    
funding for  fire suppression activity in  the current year.                                                                    
There had been a  supplemental for fire suppression activity                                                                    
almost   every  year   since  FY   14  and   a  history   of                                                                    
underbudgeting.  The state  overspent the  original budgeted                                                                    
amount  every  year  and  therefore   needed  to  request  a                                                                    
supplemental  every  year.  The  green  line  on  the  chart                                                                    
represented  the average  spend.  There  were several  years                                                                    
above  the  average  as  well as  several  years  below  the                                                                    
average.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  noted  that the  Disaster  Relief  Fund  (DRF)                                                                    
supported  other  types  of  disasters.  The  fund  was  not                                                                    
financed in  a routine manner  and the last deposit  was $50                                                                    
million in  FY 22.  The governor  was requesting  $5 million                                                                    
for disaster  relief purposes.  The actual  average spending                                                                    
from  the  fund   was  about  $20.5  million,   but  it  was                                                                    
impossible  to predict  whether  disasters  would occur.  He                                                                    
relayed that  the state did  not experience  disasters every                                                                    
year and  it was  impossible to know  when a  disaster would                                                                    
occur,  but it  was routinely  under budgeting.  He expected                                                                    
that the state  would probably require a  supplemental in FY                                                                    
25.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  why  fire  service was  grossly                                                                    
underbudgeted every year.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that it was a policy  decision by the                                                                    
legislature. He noted  that in an effort  to increase budget                                                                    
transparency  in  FY  20,   the  legislature  increased  the                                                                    
funding to be equal to the  lowest funding level in the last                                                                    
10 years. He  shared that the state had never  tried to fund                                                                    
an average amount for fire suppression.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:02:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked why it  would be a problem if                                                                    
the funding were to remain a supplemental item.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that the  downside of  budgeting for                                                                    
supplementals was that all of  the costs could not be known.                                                                    
For  example, California  had  a  history of  underbudgeting                                                                    
Medicaid  and rolling  bills  to the  next  year. The  costs                                                                    
eventually had to be trued  up which could be expensive. The                                                                    
combination  of routine  underbudgeting and  relying on  the                                                                    
supplementals  meant  the  legislature would  need  to  make                                                                    
difficult budgetary  decisions. He  noted that  sometimes it                                                                    
was  often easier  to get  a CBR  vote for  the supplemental                                                                    
than  for  the current  year,  which  happened in  2023.  He                                                                    
thought   it   was    a   political   calculation.   Routine                                                                    
supplementals  would  not   provide  clarity  for  budgetary                                                                    
purposes  and  could  lead  to  potential  misallocation  of                                                                    
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:04:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  to slide  10,  which  included  the                                                                    
change  in budgeted  positions.  The state  currently had  a                                                                    
high  vacancy rate  of about  14 percent.  The FY  24 budget                                                                    
would  increase the  number of  budgeted  positions by  115.                                                                    
There  was  continued  growth  in  the  budget  despite  the                                                                    
vacancies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  understood that the  standard cost                                                                    
for  a  position with  benefits  was  about $100,000,  which                                                                    
would  mean  that the  total  for  the increased  number  of                                                                    
positions  would  be  $115  million.  He  asked  if  he  was                                                                    
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  in the affirmative as long  as all of                                                                    
the  positions  were  fully   funded.  The  legislature  had                                                                    
occasionally  chosen  to  partially fund  new  positions  to                                                                    
allow time for hiring.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB  268  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  270  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the agenda  for the following day's                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 22 Public Testimony Rec'd by 031524.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 22
HB 144 Sectional Analysis ver A.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144
HB 144 Sponsor Statement ver A.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144
HB 144- ETC Brochure.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144
HB 144 Education Tax Credit Presentation 032024.pptx.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144
HB 144- Dept of Revenue Ed Tax credit FAQ.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144
HB 144 DOR 2011-2023 Summary Ed Tax Credits.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144
HFIN Fiscal Update 3-20-24.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 270
HB 144- Support letter Alaska's-Education-Tax-Credits-SB-120-and-HB-144.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144
HB 144 Presentation 3.18.24.pdf HFIN 3/20/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 144