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02/09/2026 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:35:00 PM Start
01:36:48 PM Presentation: Medicaid Rate Review Study by Guidehouse
03:27:47 PM Adjourn
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HOUSE BILL NO. 263                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     making  appropriations  under   art.  IX,  sec.  17(c),                                                                    
     Constitution  of   the  State   of  Alaska,   from  the                                                                    
     constitutional budget  reserve fund; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 265                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: MEDICAID RATE REVIEW STUDY BY GUIDEHOUSE                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:36:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY RICCI, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH,                                                                         
reviewed the Medicaid program with prepared remarks:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's  Medicaid  program  is a  joint  state/federal                                                                    
     program that  provides health  insurance to  low income                                                                    
     Alaskans.  As  of  December 2025,  it  provided  health                                                                    
     insurance  to  over 210,000  Alaskans  or  one in  four                                                                    
     Alaskans.  Medicaid   provides  critical   services  an                                                                    
     essential revenue  to healthcare providers. It  is also                                                                    
     a  very large  budget  component as  this committee  is                                                                    
     aware.  So  the budget  must  be  carefully managed  to                                                                    
     ensure the value of the  dollars being spent align with                                                                    
     the  outcomes  that  we  want  to  see.  Fundamentally,                                                                    
     that's what  we are trying  to review through  the rate                                                                    
     methodology study.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     When I started  in this role in 2022,  we were emerging                                                                    
     from the pandemic and we  are moving back into business                                                                    
     as usual  mode. But  the effects  of the  pandemic were                                                                    
     very  present  in the  healthcare  sector  as in  other                                                                    
     sectors.   Inflation   was   impacting   all   sectors,                                                                    
     workforce  was and  remains a  critical  issue that  we                                                                    
     hear  frequently from  both providers  and others  as a                                                                    
     challenge,  behavioral health  needs were  skyrocketing                                                                    
     across  the U.S.  including Alaska  (particularly among                                                                    
     our  youth),  and  chronic and  acute  conditions  were                                                                    
     beginning to emerge and accelerate  in ways that we had                                                                    
     not seen before.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The legislature  was responsive and  provided increased                                                                    
     rates for home and  community based waiver services and                                                                    
     supported the  department as it  implemented behavioral                                                                    
     health  rate increases,  but we  continue to  hear from                                                                    
     providers  that these  increases  were  not enough  and                                                                    
     that  there were  gaps  in their  ability  to meet  the                                                                    
     needs and  provide the  services that  their population                                                                    
     was  experiencing. So  we needed  to  consider, is  the                                                                    
     issue that  there's not  enough funding  or is  it that                                                                    
     how our  funds are  established and  how they  are paid                                                                    
     out may  not reflect the  realities of the  system that                                                                    
     we want  to see and the  outcomes that we want  to see.                                                                    
     Is  the  methodology  underlying  our  rate  structures                                                                    
     right? How  can we be  sure that further  investment in                                                                    
     the  Medicaid  program  aligns with  the  gaps  in  our                                                                    
     system  that  we  want  to  close?  Again,  this  is  a                                                                    
     question that underlies the  foundation of our Medicaid                                                                    
     rate  methodology study.  Like everything  in Medicaid,                                                                    
     our rate structure is very  complicated. We have over a                                                                    
     dozen  different  rate  methodologies in  our  Medicaid                                                                    
     system.  To tackle  this we  broke the  study into  two                                                                    
     phases and  today Guidehouse will present  on the first                                                                    
     phase of  that study. We prioritize  the services where                                                                    
     we  are   hearing  the  most  concern   from  both  our                                                                    
     stakeholders   and   our   providers.   These   include                                                                    
     behavioral  health  services, long-term  care  services                                                                    
     (home and  community based waiver  services), federally                                                                    
     qualified  health   centers,  and   our  transportation                                                                    
     services.  Other types  of rates  will be  addressed in                                                                    
     phase two, which we are  building out over the next few                                                                    
     months.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Work on  the first  phase started  last fall  and final                                                                    
     reports  for  behavioral  health  and  long  term  care                                                                    
     services  were completed  in this  last  fall or  early                                                                    
     winter -  about a  year later. The  federally qualified                                                                    
     health center  reports were fully finalized  at the end                                                                    
     of last  week and we are  finalizing the transportation                                                                    
     report; however,  we've shared  many of  those findings                                                                    
     already  with  stakeholders  publicly and  we  will  be                                                                    
     speaking to those today.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:40:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci continued to read from prepared remarks:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     These  studies  and  recommendations  are  intended  to                                                                    
     provide  policymakers  and appropriators  with  options                                                                    
     and  structures  to  consider  when  you're  evaluating                                                                    
     future needs and requests for  the Medicaid program. We                                                                    
     have asked the contractor  Guidehouse to provide fiscal                                                                    
     estimates that  reflect Fiscal Year 25.  The intent was                                                                    
     to offer  a sense  of magnitude of  what some  of these                                                                    
     options  would be.  There is  no  expectation from  the                                                                    
     department  that these  recommendations be  implemented                                                                    
     all  at once  or potentially  at all.  This depends  on                                                                    
     discussions  that will  occur  this year  and the  next                                                                    
     several years  by policymakers and  appropriators. Many                                                                    
     of  the questions  that the  rate methodology  examines                                                                    
     are ones  that we  have heard from  stakeholders. We're                                                                    
     happy  to put  some  context and  numbers around  those                                                                    
     discussions so that they can  inform some of the future                                                                    
     decisions that  we have to  make. We know that  this is                                                                    
     especially important given our  fiscal situation. As we                                                                    
     work to balance the needs  of the healthcare system and                                                                    
     Alaskans  along with  our fiscal  constraints, we  hope                                                                    
     that you  find this  useful information to  consider as                                                                    
     we move forward into the future.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COY JONES, PROJECT  DIRECTOR, GUIDEHOUSE, introduced himself                                                                    
and relayed that  he led the Guidehouse  rate evaluation. He                                                                    
provided a  PowerPoint presentation titled  "Alaska Medicaid                                                                    
Rate Methodology  Review," dated  February 9, 2026  (copy on                                                                    
file).   He  highlighted   definitions   and  common   terms                                                                    
including acronyms  on slide 2.  He remarked that  Ms. Ricci                                                                    
did  a comprehensive  job talking  about the  nature of  the                                                                    
Guidehouse  evaluation. He  stated  that what  the State  of                                                                    
Alaska was looking for in  the evaluation impacted the scope                                                                    
and nature of the recommendations.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  turned  to  slide  4  titled  "What  is  a  Rate                                                                    
Evaluation?"  He   called  out  four  words   on  the  slide                                                                    
including    comprehensive,   actual,    standardized,   and                                                                    
transparent.  He   stated  that  one  of   the  things  that                                                                    
distinguished the evaluation from  those in other states was                                                                    
that  the  evaluation  for   Alaska  involved  an  ambitious                                                                    
program to  look at  the many  methodologies the  state used                                                                    
across  Medicaid. Like  Alaska,  many  states used  multiple                                                                    
methodologies and  it could  be cumbersome  to look  at them                                                                    
together;  therefore,   many  states  looked   at  different                                                                    
programs in different years, which  had its virtues, but one                                                                    
of the things  that was missed was an attempt  to bring them                                                                    
all together  to standardize  the rate  methodologies across                                                                    
the programs to  make them transparent. He stated  it was an                                                                    
opportunity  to  look at  the  methodologies  together in  a                                                                    
phase  one  and two  approach  and  implement changes  in  a                                                                    
rational way  when there  was need  for uniformity  in areas                                                                    
like  behavioral   health  services   and  other   home  and                                                                    
community based services.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  clarified  that  the  work  done  by  Guidehouse                                                                    
reflected an  evaluation rather than a  rebase. He explained                                                                    
that Guidehouse was  given a broad scope in  terms of making                                                                    
recommendations  on the  methodology. He  detailed that  the                                                                    
evaluation did  not just look  at the existing  services and                                                                    
recommend  a rate.  Guidehouse was  invited to  look at  the                                                                    
methodologies to determine whether  they were supporting the                                                                    
needed   services   and   to  make   recommendations   about                                                                    
establishing  new  needed   services  or  improving  service                                                                    
delivery.  He  stated  that the  Guidehouse  recommendations                                                                    
reflected the broader point of view.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:45:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones turned  to slide 5 titled "Who  was Involved?" The                                                                    
evaluation  involved Guidehouse,  the  Department of  Health                                                                    
(DOH),  Alaska   providers  (tribal  and   non-tribal),  and                                                                    
Alaskans  with lived  experience, and  broader input  from a                                                                    
wide range of stakeholder groups.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones moved  to slide  6 titled  "Engagement Scope  and                                                                    
Phase 1  Services Categories." Guidehouse  was at  the point                                                                    
of completing phase 1, which  focused on four major types of                                                                    
services  including behavioral  health,  long term  services                                                                    
and  supports  (LTSS),  federally qualified  health  centers                                                                    
(FQHC),  and   medical  transportation.  The   slide  showed                                                                    
different   programs   that   fell  under   each   category.                                                                    
Behavioral health  included community services -  it did not                                                                    
include  the   state  hospital  -  for   mental  health  and                                                                    
substance  use disorder  services  (SUD).  He detailed  that                                                                    
behavioral  health  included  a   range  of  high  intensity                                                                    
services  for people  with a  range of  needs. The  same was                                                                    
true for SUD that included  a range from therapy services to                                                                    
major  residential services.  The second  category was  Long                                                                    
Term Services  and Supports (LTSS), which  included home and                                                                    
community  based services  for  the  elderly and  physically                                                                    
disabled   population   as   well   as   the   developmental                                                                    
disabilities  population.  He  detailed  that  the  two  key                                                                    
populations  had  different  needs  even  though  there  was                                                                    
significant overlap  in the types of  services received. The                                                                    
services could  range from a personal  care attendant coming                                                                    
into  a   person's  home  to   assisted  living   and  major                                                                    
residential services.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones moved to the  third category on slide 6. Federally                                                                    
Qualified  Health  Centers (FQHCs)  were  a  form of  health                                                                    
clinic  that provided  medical  and  behavioral health  care                                                                    
serving needy populations in locations  when there was often                                                                    
no other provider. He noted  there were FQHCs all throughout                                                                    
Alaska. The Guidehouse evaluation  looked at the Prospective                                                                    
Payment   System   (PPS)   and   the   Alternative   Payment                                                                    
Methodology (APM), which were  various ways to reimburse the                                                                    
facilities. The  fourth category was  medical transportation                                                                    
and   included  everything   Medicaid  paid   for  including                                                                    
emergency  transportation such  as  air,  water, and  ground                                                                    
ambulance;  and nonemergency  transportation  such as  taxi,                                                                    
ride  shares, and  public  transit to  get  people to  their                                                                    
medical appointments.  He remarked that because  it could be                                                                    
a big  undertaking in Alaska  to get people where  they need                                                                    
to  go, medical  transportation  also  included lodging  and                                                                    
meals.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones turned  to "Stakeholder  Engagement" on  slide 7.                                                                    
The  evaluation   sought  input   from  as  many   types  of                                                                    
stakeholders  as possible.  He noted  that providers  were a                                                                    
key  group, but  Guidehouse also  met with  broader provider                                                                    
and  industry  associations, advocacy  organizations,  labor                                                                    
groups who delivered  services, tribal health organizations,                                                                    
and  self-advocates   and  families  of  those   with  lived                                                                    
experiences. Guidehouse  used a number  of venues to  try to                                                                    
get and receive as much information as possible.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:50:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  stated there had been  a massive                                                                    
amount of  news about  fraud happening within  the community                                                                    
health and  transportation category  in Minnesota.  He asked                                                                    
if it had occurred in Alaska  and who was checking on all of                                                                    
the people taking massive amounts  of Medicaid and different                                                                    
healthcare funding.                                                                                                             
Mr. Jones answered  that the main way  the study intersected                                                                    
with emerging  issues that was  important for Alaska  was to                                                                    
understand how services  were delivered and the  cost of the                                                                    
services. The  evaluation had looked  at the  costs incurred                                                                    
by providers to give a sense  of what costs were at present.                                                                    
He noted  it was not  a program integrity effort,  which was                                                                    
not a part of the scope.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci elaborated  that DOH had a  Program Integrity Unit                                                                    
that worked with a Medicaid  Fraud Unit under the Department                                                                    
of Law (DOL). She stated  there had been increasing activity                                                                    
to publicize some of the  current program integrity efforts.                                                                    
She relayed  that "how  we pay  reflects how  people provide                                                                    
services." There were  some areas where the  state needed to                                                                    
make  adjustments into  how  rates  were structured  because                                                                    
there may  be a rate  that provided payments on  a 15-minute                                                                    
basis,  which  incentivized  people  to  bill  in  15-minute                                                                    
increments. She stated it drove  up the cost and people were                                                                    
not necessarily  getting better services. She  suggested the                                                                    
state  could  look  at  establishing  a  daily  rate,  which                                                                    
provided a  limit and incentive  for services to occur  in a                                                                    
different way.  She explained  that those  were some  of the                                                                    
things DOH  asked Guidehouse  to look at  to make  sure what                                                                    
the state  was paying  for reflected  services it  wanted to                                                                    
see from providers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski   referenced  organizations  who                                                                    
were  not  even  providing  services  but  were  turning  in                                                                    
receipts  fraudulently.  He   was  thinking  about  outright                                                                    
fraudulent organizations on transportation.  He asked how to                                                                    
ensure it was not happening in Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci  responded that she  would be happy to  update the                                                                    
committee with  an outline from  the Program  Integrity Unit                                                                    
showing how  it looked  at unusual  behavior or  billings in                                                                    
the  Medicaid  system  combined   with  its  routine  random                                                                    
program integrity analysis and audits.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  recalled  that  former  colleague,  Jay                                                                    
Fayette, one of the  "toughest state prosecutors around" who                                                                    
led  the homicide  unit for  years was  selected to  run the                                                                    
Medicaid  Fraud  Unit  for the  DOL  Criminal  Division.  He                                                                    
stated  his  understanding  that  the  state  did  prosecute                                                                    
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci responded, "Correct."                                                                                                 
Representative Galvin presumed the  map [of Alaska] shown on                                                                    
slide  8   represented  the  Guidehouse  focus   areas.  She                                                                    
observed that  the North  Slope was  not represented  on the                                                                    
map. She was  curious about Port Heiden where  there was not                                                                    
a  choice  for  the  hub  community.  She  asked  about  the                                                                    
transportation  piece of  Medicaid. She  had heard  that the                                                                    
charge  [to  Medicaid]  for  the service  was  only  when  a                                                                    
patient was in the helicopter  or ambulance. She asked about                                                                    
remote  communities and  considered the  possibility that  a                                                                    
patient  may have  to  pay  for the  cost  of the  emergency                                                                    
service  to   reach  their   rural  community,   while  only                                                                    
receiving  reimbursement for  one way.  She thought  it must                                                                    
skew Alaska's rates.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:57:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones commented  first  on the  nature  of strategy  on                                                                    
stakeholder engagement  in the  evaluation. He  relayed that                                                                    
Guidehouse wanted  to talk  to as  many people  as possible,                                                                    
which explained  the reason for being  in Anchorage, Juneau,                                                                    
and Fairbanks. Another  important point was to  visit all of                                                                    
the  major  regions  in  the   state.  He  highlighted  that                                                                    
Guidehouse included  five or six  regions [shown on  the map                                                                    
on slide 8]. He noted  that Kotzebue and Southeastern Alaska                                                                    
were  isolated   in  very  different  ways   with  cultural,                                                                    
logistical,     and      demographic     constraints     and                                                                    
characteristics. He  noted that  Guidehouse wanted to  be on                                                                    
the  ground  to  see   the  differences.  Another  important                                                                    
motivator  was   to  have   a  demographic   cross  section.                                                                    
Guidehouse   was  interested   in   urban  communities   and                                                                    
understanding how the hub and spoke model worked in Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  elaborated that Guidehouse had  visited rural hub                                                                    
communities   as  well   including  Kotzebue,   Bethel,  and                                                                    
Dillingham.  He  noted  that  Port  Heiden  was  the  single                                                                    
village represented. He  sensed that "many folks  did not go                                                                    
to the  village level." Guidehouse learned  how difficult it                                                                    
was  get  to  the  villages; it  was  extremely  instructive                                                                    
merely  getting transportation  to a  village. He  explained                                                                    
that Port Heiden  was the second option  because the weather                                                                    
had  been  too  poor  to  travel to  the  first  option.  He                                                                    
stressed  that villages  had a  unique perspective  that was                                                                    
not the same perspective as  even the rural hub communities.                                                                    
Villages  were  served  by  providers  based  in  rural  hub                                                                    
communities, but  their perception of their  needs was often                                                                    
different than  the vantage  point in  Anchorage and  in the                                                                    
hub communities. He would have  liked to visit more villages                                                                    
if Guidehouse  had more  time and  resources. He  would have                                                                    
liked  to visit  the North  Slope more.  He recognized  that                                                                    
Kotzebue   was   not   necessarily    the   only   or   best                                                                    
representative of a very expansive area in northern Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  addressed  the  second  part  of  Representative                                                                    
Galvin's    question   about    things   that    went   into                                                                    
transportation that were not covered  in Medicaid policy. He                                                                    
understood why the policy existed.  He noted it was not only                                                                    
a state policy; it was the  way the Medicaid program and the                                                                    
state/federal  partnership worked.  He stated  that Medicaid                                                                    
was a  program that was  created to cover medical  costs and                                                                    
transportation in  most states was fairly  peripheral to the                                                                    
medical needs.  The rules were  built for  providing medical                                                                    
services  so payment  did not  cover anything  that was  not                                                                    
directly related or did not  require the delivery of medical                                                                    
services.   He   stated  it   was   a   constraint  on   the                                                                    
transportation  side;  if  people   did  not  get  to  their                                                                    
location or someone  was waiting and it was  not time actual                                                                    
transportation, it  was not added  in or  billed separately.                                                                    
He expounded  that providers were still  incurring costs for                                                                    
that;  therefore, a  rate was  needed that  would adequately                                                                    
account for the  fact that there were a  lot of "uncliented"                                                                    
minutes. For example,  a plane may take off but  may have to                                                                    
turn back.  He noted it was  still a cost, but  it could not                                                                    
be billed.  Part of  the methodology  used for  the services                                                                    
accounted for unbillable time and the cost incurred.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:02:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan looked  at the last bullet  on slide 8                                                                    
specifying that  Guidehouse met with  providers representing                                                                    
service provision  across all four  work streams.  She asked                                                                    
if work streams were the same as service categories.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones   replied  that  the   four  work   streams  were                                                                    
equivalent  to what  was  shown on  the  previous slide.  He                                                                    
remarked that  it was internal  jargon. There  were slightly                                                                    
different  Guidehouse  teams  working  on all  four  of  the                                                                    
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked for  the background  behind the                                                                    
Guidehouse.  She asked  if the  company had  worked for  DOH                                                                    
before and if it was work  that was done for other states as                                                                    
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  replied  that Guidehouse  was  a  national  firm                                                                    
working in healthcare  and other areas of  state and federal                                                                    
government as well as the  private sector. The company had a                                                                    
particular focus  in healthcare and  he worked on  state and                                                                    
local  government   and  state  health  in   particular.  He                                                                    
explained that  Guidehouse did the  work in many  states. He                                                                    
had personally worked  on several projects in  Alaska in the                                                                    
past and Guidehouse had some  experience with Alaska but not                                                                    
within   the  last   five  years.   The  company   did  rate                                                                    
evaluations  across   the  U.S.  In  the   case  of  Alaska,                                                                    
Guidehouse  did not  lean too  heavily  on its  work in  the                                                                    
Lower  48   because  there  were  some   unique  issues  and                                                                    
challenges that did not have  "out of the box" solutions. In                                                                    
some  context the  national experience  was helpful  because                                                                    
Guidehouse could talk about  the benchmarks and expectations                                                                    
in  other states.  He noted  it would  show up  when talking                                                                    
about indirect costs or transportation costs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan   referenced  Mr.   Jones'   earlier                                                                    
discussion about rate  structures versus rate methodologies.                                                                    
She asked if  a methodology produced a rate  structure or if                                                                    
the terms were interchangeable.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  explained that the methodology  generally defined                                                                    
where a  rate landed. There  was also a rate  structure that                                                                    
was not decided by the  methodology, which was what services                                                                    
the  state wanted  to  deliver. A  rate  structure would  be                                                                    
fitted to  those services in  order to determine how  to pay                                                                    
for the services.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones looked  at the approach to  rate-building on slide                                                                    
9.  Guidehouse used  an independent  rate buildup  model for                                                                    
most  of the  services.  For  services in  phase  1 such  as                                                                    
behavioral  health   and  LTSS  home  and   community  based                                                                    
services  there  was  typically   no  data  unless  a  state                                                                    
required providers  to give their  costs. He  explained that                                                                    
it  had  been  necessary  to  make  the  data  through  cost                                                                    
surveys.  He detailed  that Guidehouse  asked the  providers                                                                    
for their costs, which worked  great for Alaska because they                                                                    
did not  want to piggyback  off of  other costs seen  in the                                                                    
rest of the country. He  elaborated that Guidehouse used the                                                                    
rates given  by providers and built  up a rate based  on the                                                                    
costs. The  delivery of  the services  required practitioner                                                                    
time, administrative overhead,  travel components, different                                                                    
kinds  of  indirect  costs,   wages,  staffing  ratios,  and                                                                    
employee  benefits. Guidehouse  compiled the  information in                                                                    
rate models  at a cost based  rate what it would  cost for a                                                                    
provider to deliver a quality service.                                                                                          
2:07:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  moved to  "Data Sources" on  slide 10.  He stated                                                                    
that actual costs were extremely  important to understand in                                                                    
Alaska because the cost profile  for delivering services was                                                                    
unlike  any other  state.  The costs  were  captured in  the                                                                    
survey  through different  cost reports  for FQHCs  and were                                                                    
benchmarked  against other  publicly  available data,  which                                                                    
drove   the  benchmarks   around  what   Guidehouse  thought                                                                    
services should cost.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones moved  to slide 12 titled  "Behavioral Health Rate                                                                    
Evaluation  Findings"  and  discussed  three  key  findings.                                                                    
Guidehouse was recommending some  overall rate increases for                                                                    
service reimbursement,  but the  biggest issue it  found was                                                                    
that  service reimbursement  was  misaligned. Many  services                                                                    
currently  had  adequate  reimbursement  and  many  services                                                                    
probably  paid more  than benchmarks  indicated was  needed,                                                                    
but  some actual  costs were  significantly  lower than  the                                                                    
service. Guidehouse was  recommending that behavioral health                                                                    
in Alaska  needed rate equity  or rebalancing.  He explained                                                                    
that  it was  not  that an  infusion  of significantly  more                                                                    
money was needed.  He detailed that before  the dollars went                                                                    
into the service  there was a need to  calibrate the service                                                                    
to pay  appropriately, otherwise  it provided  incentives to                                                                    
over deliver a service and under deliver others.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  second key  point listed on  slide 12  related to                                                                    
indirect  costs,  which  represent  the  overhead  costs  of                                                                    
delivering  services. He  relayed  that  the indirect  costs                                                                    
were  disproportionately   high  for  LTSS   and  behavioral                                                                    
health.  He   detailed  that  for  every   dollar  spent  on                                                                    
behavioral  health about  40 cents  went to  indirect costs,                                                                    
which  was  more than  in  other  locations nationwide.  The                                                                    
third component was  that a lack of  historical standards in                                                                    
the rate  reimbursement contributed  to misalignment  of the                                                                    
system and no way to  drive efficiency. The state was paying                                                                    
for the cost of services and the costs increased annually.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:10:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  Mr. Jones  to elaborate  on the                                                                    
delivery  of services  being so  high. He  asked how  the 40                                                                    
cents  on the  dollar  compared to  other jurisdictions.  He                                                                    
asked if it reflected administrative costs by providers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones replied  that the  indirect  costs reflected  two                                                                    
"cost  buckets" including  administrative costs  and program                                                                    
support  costs.  An example  of  program  support costs  was                                                                    
another worker  assisting and delivering services  who could                                                                    
not bill  for the services  themselves. The cost  was higher                                                                    
in Alaska than in other  jurisdictions. He explained that 30                                                                    
percent  of  the cost  would  be  very  high in  most  other                                                                    
jurisdictions, while Alaska was at  40 percent. The rate was                                                                    
usually  between 20  and 30  percent including  overhead and                                                                    
program support. He  did not have a strong  theory about the                                                                    
driver of  the cost.  He noted  there were  higher personnel                                                                    
costs  in  Alaska, but  the  higher  costs were  direct  and                                                                    
indirect  care  costs.  Guidehouse calculated  the  indirect                                                                    
costs  as  a  percentage  of   the  direct  care  costs.  He                                                                    
elaborated that if there were  high direct care costs, there                                                                    
could  also be  high indirect  care costs  without it  being                                                                    
disproportionately high relative to the direct costs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  thought it was  odd to be  spending 40                                                                    
cents  on the  dollar  for administrative  costs. He  stated                                                                    
that  on the  health  side the  federal government  required                                                                    
insurance  companies  to  spend  15  percent.  He  asked  if                                                                    
Guidehouse had  been able  to determine  whether or  not the                                                                    
additional  nonbillable  personnel  utilized in  the  direct                                                                    
care process was  more of a driver.  Alternatively, he asked                                                                    
if it was the paperwork.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:13:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  responded  that  one   of  the  ways  Guidehouse                                                                    
conducted its  cost survey  in order  to make  it manageable                                                                    
for  providers was  to broadly  capture the  cost categories                                                                    
and indirect  costs but it  did not ask questions  about who                                                                    
was  in what  administrative personnel  role and  what their                                                                    
salaries  were.  The  information  was captured  at  a  high                                                                    
level. Guidehouse  could identify  broadly what  was driving                                                                    
the indirect  care costs  such as  administrative personnel,                                                                    
program support, transportation,  or information technology;                                                                    
however, it could not tell  if there was a particular driver                                                                    
(e.g., broadband  being more expensive  in certain  parts of                                                                    
Alaska).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Moore  looked at  slide  10  and asked  what                                                                    
percentage of  the providers responded to  the provider cost                                                                    
survey.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones answered  that it was different  for each program,                                                                    
but generally  Guidehouse was aiming  at a response  rate of                                                                    
about 30 percent. He deferred to his colleague.                                                                                 
CLAIRE PAYNE, BEHAVIORAL  HEALTH LEAD, GUIDEHOUSE, responded                                                                    
that the response rate varied  depending on the service. She                                                                    
explained   that   for   behavioral   health   specifically,                                                                    
Guidehouse looked at the number  of providers as well as the                                                                    
total   Medicaid  dollars   the  providers   delivered.  For                                                                    
example, there  could be  100 providers that  may only  do a                                                                    
little Medicaid  and did not  have the same labor  force. On                                                                    
the  behavioral  health  side,   about  60  percent  of  the                                                                    
Medicaid  dollars  were  responded  to in  the  survey.  She                                                                    
relayed that  the company Qualtrics  conducted a lot  of the                                                                    
surveys  in  the U.S.  and  it  identified a  representative                                                                    
sample at about  35 percent. She noted the  response rate in                                                                    
Alaska  was  almost double  that  figure.  She believed  the                                                                    
other  providers were  similar.  She relayed  that the  FQHC                                                                    
response was quite  different because it was  a much smaller                                                                    
provider pool.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:16:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Moore   asked  if  the  costs   reported  by                                                                    
providers were validated.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  answered  that  Guidehouse  made  a  distinction                                                                    
between  a  cost  report,  which  was  usually  audited  and                                                                    
certified,  and a  cost survey.  For  the sake  of time  and                                                                    
expediency to  get real  time data that  was not  years old,                                                                    
Guidehouse  did not  look at  audited financials  and backup                                                                    
the dollars.  There was an  understanding they  were trading                                                                    
accuracy  for expediency.  He remarked  that the  survey had                                                                    
seen a low response rates  from air ambulance companies, but                                                                    
Guidehouse  did not  find it  concerning.  He detailed  that                                                                    
there were many  air ambulance providers and  some were much                                                                    
bigger  than  others.  He  estimated  that  the  survey  had                                                                    
received  a   response  from   around  four   air  ambulance                                                                    
providers;  however,   among  those  providers   the  survey                                                                    
captured  about   90  percent  of  the   volume.  Generally,                                                                    
Guidehouse  was comfortable  with the  feedback it  received                                                                    
through the survey.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Moore asked for  verification that the [costs                                                                    
reported by providers] were not validated.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  referenced   that  indirect   costs                                                                    
accounting for 30  percent of the total  would be considered                                                                    
high  and the  number in  Alaska was  40 percent.  She heard                                                                    
from behavioral  health providers  that 40 percent  of their                                                                    
time  was   spent  doing  paperwork  in   order  to  receive                                                                    
reimbursement. She  noted there  were several  other states,                                                                    
possibly including  Wyoming, that were using  a federal form                                                                    
instead of whatever was used  in Alaska. She wondered if the                                                                    
issue played a big role in the cost in Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones clarified  that total indirect cost  of 40 percent                                                                    
was not all  overhead. He noted that especially  in the case                                                                    
of behavioral health,  much of the cost  was associated with                                                                    
program  support (e.g.,  transportation). He  explained that                                                                    
it  was  not  administrative.  He  elaborated  that  it  was                                                                    
necessary to spend the money  to provide the service, but it                                                                    
was not billable.  He explained there was a  fee for service                                                                    
structure in Alaska, which would  require a certain level of                                                                    
reporting   and  documentation.   For  all   of  the   fraud                                                                    
considerations, the basic documentation  was needed in order                                                                    
to make  a claim and tie  it back to the  service delivered.                                                                    
In  some   cases  it  was   possible  to   leverage  federal                                                                    
processes,   but   for    behavioral   health,   LTSS,   and                                                                    
transportation, there was not  a standardized federal system                                                                    
to  streamline  the  process. There  were  potentially  some                                                                    
administrative rules  in Alaska  that could be  changed, but                                                                    
it  was not  a focal  point of  the study.  He relayed  that                                                                    
there were  some reforms underway in  behavioral health that                                                                    
would  lead   to  clinically  certified   behavioral  health                                                                    
centers. Part of that payment  methodology, which Alaska was                                                                    
moving  to,   would  address  some  of   the  administrative                                                                    
overhead because  it was  paid through  an episode  that cut                                                                    
down on much of the documentation.  He added that it had its                                                                    
own challenges but it was a potential improvement.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:21:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson referenced  SB  45, current  legislation                                                                    
pertaining  to   Medicaid  parity   in  mental   health  and                                                                    
substance  use  disorder  coverage   in  the  state  medical                                                                    
assistance  program.   He  elaborated  that   mental  health                                                                    
providers in  Alaska came to  the legislature to  talk about                                                                    
the  burden  of  paperwork  they had  that  other  types  of                                                                    
physical  healthcare providers  did not.  He thought  it was                                                                    
the issue  Representative Galvin was highlighting.  He asked                                                                    
if Mr. Jones had heard  the complaint around the country. He                                                                    
stated that the key word was parity.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones replied  that  he was  familiar  with the  parity                                                                    
issue, but Guidehouse did not  see anything strictly related                                                                    
to  it. Many  of the  services the  study looked  at had  no                                                                    
equivalent  to commercial  healthcare  where  parity was  an                                                                    
issue. He relayed that Guidehouse  heard the complaint about                                                                    
high burdens of documentation everywhere.  He did not aim to                                                                    
diminish  the  reality  and  truth  of  the  situation,  but                                                                    
Guidehouse   heard  about   the  issue   from  medical   and                                                                    
behavioral  health  providers. Behavioral  health  providers                                                                    
were newer to the world  of medical claiming in the Medicaid                                                                    
program, unlike hospitals and others  that had been involved                                                                    
for decades. He stated there  was a learning curve to making                                                                    
claiming  more efficient  and it  was likely  more difficult                                                                    
for  behavioral health  providers  than established  medical                                                                    
providers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Payne added  that the  Guidehouse  methodology did  not                                                                    
want  to  take  the  rate  and  move  it  forward  based  on                                                                    
inflation because  that would perpetuate  a system  that was                                                                    
already  out  of sync.  The  study  looked at  many  nuanced                                                                    
pieces  within the  methodology  including  a billable  time                                                                    
adjuster or productivity adjuster.  She detailed that it was                                                                    
traditionally  much higher  in the  behavioral health  space                                                                    
for record  keeping. For  example, therapists  were supposed                                                                    
to have  care plans and take  notes on what was  supposed to                                                                    
happen  next. She  noted  that it  was  time consuming.  She                                                                    
highlighted  that the  rate models  developed by  Guidehouse                                                                    
included  the adjuster  shown in  the  report appendix.  She                                                                    
explained that  it was substantially lower,  which increased                                                                    
the  reimbursement to  account for  the downtime.  The study                                                                    
worked to  address the  issue very  specifically and  it was                                                                    
traditionally higher in behavioral health.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:24:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan discussed  her understanding of parity                                                                    
for  behavioral  health  services. She  believed  therapists                                                                    
under  behavioral  health could  refer  an  individual to  a                                                                    
medical  provider to  get a  script and  the doctor  had the                                                                    
individual  go   back  to  see  the   therapist.  Under  the                                                                    
scenario,  it was  two or  three sessions  before there  was                                                                    
something to bill for. She thought  it was where the bulk of                                                                    
the  extra time  for behavioral  health treatment  occurred.                                                                    
While in comparison  a medical provider could  give a person                                                                    
a script and tell them to  follow up in six weeks. She asked                                                                    
if it was accounted for in some of the indirect cost.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Payne responded,  "Not  specifically."  She provided  a                                                                    
scenario  the  study was  aiming  to  address. The  scenario                                                                    
included  a  patient who  received  a  bill for  seeing  her                                                                    
therapist for  30 minutes. She  explained that  the downtime                                                                    
included  the  therapist  having   to  follow  up  with  the                                                                    
client's  insurance,  record   keeping,  or  contacting  the                                                                    
client  for  follow  up  would   be  accounted  for  in  the                                                                    
nonbillable  time. The  medical  component  with the  parity                                                                    
rule was nuanced. She would  have to follow up with specific                                                                    
detail.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  looked at bullet  2 on slide  12 that                                                                    
specified  Alaska was  spending 40  cents on  the dollar  as                                                                    
opposed to  25 or 30  cents. She referenced the  one element                                                                    
of  medical transportation  and  so much  of  it being  non-                                                                    
billable.  She  considered  the  vernacular  in  Alaska  and                                                                    
provided  an  example  about  whether   a  person  had  been                                                                    
transported  on  a  seat  fare  or if  the  plane  had  been                                                                    
chartered. She  stated the examples  were two  big different                                                                    
costs  and neither  seemed to  be reimbursable  because they                                                                    
were  not ambulance  costs or  paratransit.  She stated  her                                                                    
understanding  that  when  Guidehouse concluded  Alaska  was                                                                    
spending 40  cents on the  dollar it was not  concluding the                                                                    
charges were invalid, but that  the charges were higher. She                                                                    
asked for  verification that it  was not merely the  cost of                                                                    
utilities,  but  that  in  some  of  the  broad  categories,                                                                    
Alaska's situation  was bizarre compared to  other locations                                                                    
such  as Wyoming  where  the  option was  a  50 to  200-mile                                                                    
drive,  but  in  Alaska  the  travel  included  things  like                                                                    
chartered flights,  seat fare flights, ferries,  and private                                                                    
transport on snow machines.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones responded  affirmatively.  Guidehouse noted  that                                                                    
the costs were  high; however, its benchmarking  did not say                                                                    
that costs should not be  so high. Guidehouse understood the                                                                    
costs were higher in Alaska and  for the most part the rates                                                                    
reflected the  high indirect costs.  There was not  any kind                                                                    
of prescription on what the indirect costs should be.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  remarked  that  the  current  meeting                                                                    
would  not  cover the  scope  and  depth  of the  work  done                                                                    
running a $3.8 billion program  in Alaska with $1 billion in                                                                    
unrestricted  general  funds  (UGF).   He  stated  that  the                                                                    
presenters  were talking  about trying  to find  cost saving                                                                    
measures and  increasing efficiency,  which could  equate to                                                                    
hundreds of  millions of dollars.  He noted that  Alaska had                                                                    
Medicaid expansion,  which included  receiving a  90 percent                                                                    
cost share.  He believed  the cost  sharing was  about 50/50                                                                    
under  standard Medicare.  He asked  if the  cost associated                                                                    
with  different  user  groups was  tracked.  He  highlighted                                                                    
behavioral health as an example.  He asked who was using the                                                                    
services based on the user groups.                                                                                              
2:29:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones answered  that Guidehouse did know  via claims for                                                                    
instance what  populations were using each  of the different                                                                    
services.  For  example,  in  the   case  of  Alaska  Native                                                                    
populations Guidehouse could tell  whether the rate was paid                                                                    
for  with   high  levels   of  Federal   Medical  Assistance                                                                    
Percentage (FMAP) or state  share. Guidehouse could identify                                                                    
program by  program how the  state dollars were  being spent                                                                    
versus additional federal dollars.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  asked if Guidehouse was  tailoring its                                                                    
research  to target  the  best return  for  the higher  cost                                                                    
expenses such  as the 50/50  expenses. He noted  those costs                                                                    
were responsible  for driving up  the state's  actual spend.                                                                    
He was  not indicating  the state should  not be  frugal and                                                                    
wise  with  all  of  its   fund  sources  including  federal                                                                    
dollars. He  assumed the state  wanted to be able  to target                                                                    
where it  was getting  the best value  and return  to either                                                                    
save  the   state  money  or  provide   better  services  to                                                                    
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  agreed that Guidehouse  noted the  information in                                                                    
its report.  He explained that significant  state investment                                                                    
would get  a larger  return on  investment (ROI),  which was                                                                    
very important in terms of  transportation where some of the                                                                    
most  significant  expenses  were incurred  in  rural  areas                                                                    
where the federal dollar went  extremely far relative to the                                                                    
state spend.  The fiscal  impact in  the report  showed that                                                                    
even with  a relatively  small investment in  state dollars,                                                                    
the state  could get as much  as $4 for every  dollar spent.                                                                    
He  noted   it  was   not  true   for  every   program.  The                                                                    
presentation  would show  in the  fiscal  impact of  federal                                                                    
versus state  that dollars went  further with  some programs                                                                    
than others.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum asked  what kind  of coordination  was                                                                    
occurring  between DOH  and the  Alaska Mental  Health Trust                                                                    
Authority (AMHTA) to ensure the  state was leveraging all of                                                                    
its resources to achieve healthy Alaskans.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  remarked that "they're not  a department                                                                    
as much as a vendor."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:32:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ricci  replied  that DOH  coordinated  with  AMHTA  and                                                                    
worked   together  in   development   of  different   budget                                                                    
scenarios.  The  department  presented to  the  AMHTA  board                                                                    
regularly. One  of the  focuses was  ensuring the  state was                                                                    
leveraging dollars  between both  entities to  go as  far as                                                                    
possible.  Some  of  the  dollars the  state  could  use  to                                                                    
support behavioral health services  had limitations and some                                                                    
of  the   dollars  AMHTA  had   access  to  may   have  more                                                                    
flexibilities. The  entities were trying to  be strategic in                                                                    
determining how to  weave the two together  to meet existing                                                                    
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:33:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  discussed results of  the behavioral  health rate                                                                    
evaluation on slide 13. One  of the recommendations was that                                                                    
DOH adopt  the methodologies  that went into  the Guidehouse                                                                    
independent rate build  up to identify rates  that were more                                                                    
appropriate and  aligned more closely with  the actual costs                                                                    
of  delivering  particular   services.  The  implication  of                                                                    
adopting the methodology transition  was there would have to                                                                    
be  some recalibration  of rates.  Some  rates for  services                                                                    
would   go   up   significantly  and   some   may   decrease                                                                    
significantly  as  part  of   the  rebalancing.  The  second                                                                    
recommendation   under  rates   was   "hold  harmless."   He                                                                    
explained   that   rebalancing  increased   volatility   for                                                                    
providers.  He elaborated  that for  a single  provider some                                                                    
rates may go up, and some  may go down; it all balanced out.                                                                    
He stated  that was  not always the  case. He  detailed that                                                                    
some providers  focused on  the rates  that were  going down                                                                    
rather than the  rates that were going up. He  stated it was                                                                    
possible to  put someone  out of business  easily if  it was                                                                    
not done  wisely. Therefore,  Guidehouse was  recommending a                                                                    
risk  corridor  to  leave  rates alone  until  there  was  a                                                                    
natural  point  at which  rate  increases  would happen.  He                                                                    
shared that  there was a  UPL [upper payment  limit] ceiling                                                                    
for certain  services in Alaska  that did not  allow payment                                                                    
higher  than what  Medicaid paid.  Guidehouse included  some                                                                    
recommendations in its report on how to address the issue.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  addressed other  components of  the reimbursement                                                                    
structure. He relayed that behavioral  health rates were not                                                                    
adjusted   geographically.   Guidehouse  was   proposing   a                                                                    
framework  to have  slightly  different  rates depending  on                                                                    
where  services were  delivered. They  believed that  it was                                                                    
feasible  because it  already existed  in the  LTSS side  in                                                                    
home   and   community   based  services.   Guidehouse   was                                                                    
recommending  something  similar   for  implementation  with                                                                    
behavioral health.  He referenced indirect costs  and stated                                                                    
that  it  was  unclear  in the  way  things  were  currently                                                                    
described   whether    rates   were   designed    to   cover                                                                    
transportation   and    staff   transportation.   Guidehouse                                                                    
recommended the  inclusion of a  specific add-on  in certain                                                                    
rates  to  address  the  issue   more  clearly.  The  report                                                                    
included specific  recommendations for  the state  to review                                                                    
service definitions  for some of  the more  complex services                                                                    
such  as  SUD  for  adolescents  versus  adults  to  confirm                                                                    
whether  the state  was paying  for the  type of  service it                                                                    
wanted  and to  work with  providers to  review the  service                                                                    
definitions. Guidehouse  also recommended updates  to crisis                                                                    
services. The  state was in  the process of  redesigning its                                                                    
crisis  service array  and Guidehouse  had recommended  what                                                                    
rates would be appropriate for new services.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones looked at state  operations and how the rates were                                                                    
implemented and monitored  over time. Guidehouse recommended                                                                    
that the state  put together a cost  reporting system, which                                                                    
would require annual reporting  from providers. He explained                                                                    
that  the  reporting system  would  help  to understand  the                                                                    
indirect costs. He  stated there was an argument  to be made                                                                    
as to  whether the costs should  be lower, but the  data was                                                                    
not  currently available  to  track what  went  on with  the                                                                    
cost.  A   cost  reporting   system  would   provide  better                                                                    
information to  understand the nature of  the indirect costs                                                                    
and potentially establish  additional reimbursement features                                                                    
that   incentivize   efficiencies.   He  stated   it   could                                                                    
ultimately be  to the benefit  of the payer,  regulator, and                                                                    
provider. He  noted that  the clinic  UPL issue  was another                                                                    
component.  He   explained  that  if  the   state  had  cost                                                                    
reporting,  it would  not have  to  set the  ceiling at  the                                                                    
Medicare rate, but at the  actual cost. He expounded that if                                                                    
Alaska  ever  wanted  to  pay more  beyond  the  ceiling  or                                                                    
rebalance the  rates that  fell under  the clinic  UPL, cost                                                                    
reporting would  facilitate it. Guidehouse  also recommended                                                                    
that   the   state   could    more   easily   update   rates                                                                    
administratively  on   an  annual   basis  by   putting  key                                                                    
inflation factors  on things like  wages and  other indirect                                                                    
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:38:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   asked  if   the  CMS   prohibition  on                                                                    
exceeding the UPL  could be dispensed with if  the state did                                                                    
cost reporting.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  replied it  would  mean  there  would be  a  new                                                                    
measuring  stick. He  explained that  the requirement  would                                                                    
not go  away but the nature  of how the upper  payment limit                                                                    
was decided would  change. Instead of basing  the ceiling on                                                                    
the  equivalent Medicare  rate it  was based  on the  actual                                                                    
costs incurred by  providers. If the costs  were higher than                                                                    
Medicare  would pay,  it was  possible  to pay  up to  those                                                                    
costs,  but  it  required  having   data  on  what  it  cost                                                                    
providers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:39:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  turned to slide  14 titled "Annual  Fiscal Impact                                                                    
for  BH   Recommendations."  The  slide  showed   line  item                                                                    
estimates  of  what  it  would  take  to  implement  various                                                                    
recommendations. The  first recommendation to adopt  the new                                                                    
methodology   and   corresponding   rates  would   cost   an                                                                    
additional  $4.1  million  in  state spending  and  a  total                                                                    
investment  of  $13 million.  He  noted  that given  current                                                                    
behavioral  health  spending,  the  number was  not  a  high                                                                    
amount. He explained that higher  rates were being offset to                                                                    
some  extent  by  rates  that  would  decrease.  The  second                                                                    
recommendation was  the hold  harmless provision  that meant                                                                    
rates  would   not  be  lowered  for   services  that  would                                                                    
otherwise go  down. The hold  harmless provision  would cost                                                                    
the state  $1.6 million. The geographic  differentials would                                                                    
cost the state an additional  $1.3 million to cover the cost                                                                    
for the more expensive  regions of the state [recommendation                                                                    
three]. Recommendation  four pertained to  behavioral health                                                                    
cost  reporting  and  would cost  the  state  an  additional                                                                    
$150,000 to  $225,000 depending on  how it  was implemented.                                                                    
Recommendation  five  was  rate  rebalancing  and  the  cost                                                                    
depended   on  how   the  state   wanted   to  address   it.                                                                    
Recommendation six  was for crisis  services and  would cost                                                                    
the  state $280,000+.  Recommendation eight  showed a  small                                                                    
cost for additional resources  to conduct the administrative                                                                    
rate  review. He  understood  DOH was  looking  at a  phased                                                                    
implementation of the recommendations.  The overall cost was                                                                    
about $7.2  million to $7.5  million in state  general funds                                                                    
with  an overall  investment  including  federal dollars  of                                                                    
roughly $21 million for behavioral health.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked how long the  hold harmless period                                                                    
should be.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  answered  that  two years  was  usually  a  good                                                                    
timeframe.  He explained  that  if it  was  much shorter  or                                                                    
longer it  did not  help. He  stated it  was designed  to be                                                                    
temporary to prepare providers for  changes. He relayed that                                                                    
two to three years was optimal.                                                                                                 
Co-Chair   Josephson  asked   how  Guidehouse   incorporated                                                                    
inflation into the recommendations.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Payne  replied that  data  got  old quickly.  The  base                                                                    
recommendations  included   a  small  amount   of  inflation                                                                    
because the  data set  used was already  a year  behind. She                                                                    
stated that  7/1/25 was the implementation  date. Guidehouse                                                                    
did not build in additional  inflation knowing it was in the                                                                    
state's regulations that it should  come into effect on July                                                                    
1 of every year. She explained  that the state would have to                                                                    
apply additional inflation based on its regulations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:43:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   asked  if   the  Guidehouse   work  on                                                                    
behavioral health recommendations was complete.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Josephson  directed   a  question   to  DOH.   He                                                                    
referenced  Ms.  Ricci's  statement   that  DOH  viewed  the                                                                    
Guidehouse  findings  as  recommendations.  He  assumed  the                                                                    
recommendations were  important but that there  may be other                                                                    
factors for  DOH. He asked  when the  department anticipated                                                                    
implementing the changes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci  responded that DOH  was working to  implement the                                                                    
recommendations in two different  phases. The department was                                                                    
currently  promulgating  regulations to  begin  implementing                                                                    
the rate  rebalancing and the hold  harmless combined. There                                                                    
was  a  $10  million  temporary increment  in  the  Medicaid                                                                    
component. She  believed the supplemental that  was recently                                                                    
released  would extend  the funding  into FY  27 giving  the                                                                    
department  time  to  promulgate the  regulations  to  begin                                                                    
implementing the  items. The department  would also  look at                                                                    
building out the geographic  differences and crisis services                                                                    
at  the same  time. The  department was  thinking about  the                                                                    
best  way  to  approach   establishing  a  system  for  cost                                                                    
reporting.  Ultimately it  would  be  important as  Medicare                                                                    
continued to  put pressure on  entire system in  Alaska. She                                                                    
believed the  committee would hear  more about the  issue in                                                                    
future years. The requirement for  annual cost reporting was                                                                    
significant to the provider and  state. The department heard                                                                    
the concerns  about behavioral  health providers  related to                                                                    
administrative requirements  and burden. The  department did                                                                    
not want  to add to  that, but it  could not get  around the                                                                    
Medicare  cost limit  until it  found a  way to  collect the                                                                    
data. The department  was not certain what  that looked like                                                                    
yet.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  moved to  slide 16  titled "LTSS  Rate Evaluation                                                                    
Findings." He  stated that the grooves  had been established                                                                    
for  behavioral  health  and  there  were  somewhat  similar                                                                    
findings for  LTSS. He relayed  that Guidehouse did  not see                                                                    
the same need for rebalancing  for LTSS services that it saw                                                                    
for behavioral health. He elaborated  that the state kept up                                                                    
pretty  well  with costs  with  one  important exception  in                                                                    
personal care  services. He explained that  Guidehouse saw a                                                                    
need for a  rate increase of about 32 percent.  He stated it                                                                    
was  a significant  part  of the  service  array. Given  the                                                                    
expenditures on  LTSS generally, the increase  would lead to                                                                    
some significant  dollars even though  they were not  a high                                                                    
proportion   of  current   spending.  The   geographic  rate                                                                    
differentials  were  in place  for  the  services, but  they                                                                    
depended  on  a  framework  that  was  over  20  years  old;                                                                    
therefore,  Guidehouse  recommended  a  new way  to  do  the                                                                    
differentials. He  stated that  Guidehouse found  that about                                                                    
40  cents to  every dollar  for LTSS  services was  going to                                                                    
indirect costs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson referenced  personal  care services  and                                                                    
noted there were various acronyms such as PCA.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones replied that PCA was  a personal care aid who came                                                                    
into a person's home to help with tasks.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  for verification  that Guidehouse                                                                    
found that  the cohort  in Alaska was  paid 32  percent less                                                                    
than it would recommend.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  answered that rates  would need to be  roughly 32                                                                    
percent higher for those services to cover the costs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  remarked that  the  rates  - the  total                                                                    
package - may reflect some  other number as a wage increase,                                                                    
but  there was  some  connection between  the  rate and  the                                                                    
wage. He asked if it was a fair statement.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  replied affirmatively. He stated  that wages were                                                                    
the driver of costs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:48:46 PM                                                                                                                    
Mr. Jones  moved to  slide 17  titled "LTSS  Rate Evaluation                                                                    
Recommendations."  Guidehouse  was   recommending  the  same                                                                    
methodology,  rate recalibration,  and hold  harmless as  it                                                                    
did  for behavioral  health. There  were a  small number  of                                                                    
services that would  otherwise go down with  the adoption of                                                                    
the recommendations. Guidehouse  was recommending updates to                                                                    
the  geographic adjustment  and  tiered  service for  better                                                                    
capturing  of  acuity  differences between  individuals  and                                                                    
around  administrative fees  for certain  services known  as                                                                    
the  organized healthcare  delivery  system. Guidehouse  was                                                                    
recommending a  new cost reporting system  to track indirect                                                                    
costs. Also,  there were  new rules  coming from  CMS called                                                                    
the access rule, which mandated  a ceiling on indirect costs                                                                    
for things  like personal care  and the state would  have to                                                                    
demonstrate  that its  providers  were not  paying more.  He                                                                    
added that  if the state  did not  collect the cost  data it                                                                    
could  not  be  compliant   with  the  federal  regulations.                                                                    
Guidehouse was  also recommending  additional administrative                                                                    
rate  updates  as  with  behavioral  health.  He  referenced                                                                    
opportunities   for  drawing   higher   federal  share   and                                                                    
explained that LTSS  was one of the areas  where the federal                                                                    
share was  50/50. Guidehouse  recommended looking  to tribal                                                                    
providers  and   gauging  willingness  to  invest   more  in                                                                    
providing the services.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  surmised  that  there  was  not  a  100                                                                    
percent opportunity to reclaim for LTSS.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  answered  it was  largely  non-tribal  providers                                                                    
delivering the services and drawing the 50/50 match.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  turned to  the  annual  fiscal impact  for  LTSS                                                                    
recommendations on  slide 18. He  stated there was  a fairly                                                                    
hefty price  tag given the  size of the program  and funding                                                                    
personal  care  to the  benchmark  rate  along with  several                                                                    
other rates. He  noted that it was not  a massive proportion                                                                    
of  the  overall  spending  currently.  He  noted  that  the                                                                    
general fund  and total spending  were in the  wrong columns                                                                    
at the  bottom of the  slide. The  slide broke out  the hold                                                                    
harmless,    geographic    differentials,    rate    tiering                                                                    
recommendations, and more. The total  cost for the state was                                                                    
between $24.5 million to $30  million. He noted that DOH was                                                                    
looking at a phased approach of the LTSS recommendations.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:51:45 PM                                                                                                                    
Mr. Jones  moved to slide  20 and discussed  FQHC (Federally                                                                    
Qualified  Health  Center)  findings.  He stated  it  was  a                                                                    
narrower scope for  FQHCs and came down to  the small number                                                                    
of  FQHCs that  had  not moved  to  the alternative  payment                                                                    
method  (APM)  rate. There  were  currently  four that  were                                                                    
still  on the  prospective  payment system  (PPS) rate.  The                                                                    
goal of the  recommendations was to establish  a pathway for                                                                    
FQHCs  still on  the  PPS  rate to  do  a one-time  catch-up                                                                    
change in scope to look  at current rate costs and establish                                                                    
a pathway and recommendation for future changes in scope.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  turned to slide  21 titled "FQHC  Rate Evaluation                                                                    
Recommendations."  He  began  with the  catch-up  change  in                                                                    
scope. He detailed  that Guidehouse did an  analysis of what                                                                    
it would  cost in  order for providers  and the  state would                                                                    
understand  the potential  fiscal implications,  even though                                                                    
it  expected  only  one  or  two  providers  would  want  to                                                                    
continue with  PPS rates  rather than move  to an  APM rate.                                                                    
Guidehouse   recommended   technical  assistance   to   help                                                                    
providers needing support to  update their rate methodology.                                                                    
Guidehouse  also recommended  the creation  of a  policy and                                                                    
process moving forward that would  allow providers to update                                                                    
their PPS rates.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:53:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  turned to slide  22 titled "Annual  Fiscal Impact                                                                    
for  FQHC  Recommendations."  The general  fund  cost  would                                                                    
range  between $800,000  and $1.5  million depending  on the                                                                    
number of providers  who moved to the PPS  rate. The general                                                                    
matching  rate was  about  75 percent  with  the total  cost                                                                    
reaching up to $5.3 million including federal funds.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones addressed slide  24 titled "Medical Transportation                                                                    
Rate Evaluation  Findings." He relayed  that the  report had                                                                    
not  been   fully  released  and  he   provided  preliminary                                                                    
findings. He  highlighted that  ambulance and  lodging rates                                                                    
had   not  been   increased   in   many  years.   Guidehouse                                                                    
recommended that  the rates  be brought  up in  aggregate to                                                                    
the equivalent of  125 percent  of  Medicare. He  elaborated                                                                    
that because  rates were currently lower,  getting ambulance                                                                    
staffing  in place  was becoming  a more  significant issue.                                                                    
There were administrative issues  that prevented people from                                                                    
getting  needed  lodging.  Guidehouse  made  recommendations                                                                    
especially around out of  state lodging, transportation, and                                                                    
meals (e.g., travel to Seattle) to improve the policies.                                                                        
Representative  Stapp  asked  if   the  air  ambulance  rate                                                                    
reimbursement was still subject to UPL.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  responded affirmatively.  He stated that  the UPL                                                                    
was different for  transportation than clinic and  it was up                                                                    
to average  commercial rates. He  explained that it  had not                                                                    
hit  a  ceiling  in  Alaska because  the  ceiling  was  much                                                                    
higher.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked how  far off  the rate  was from                                                                    
the upper payment limit.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones answered  that they did not know  because it would                                                                    
require  proprietary data  between  commercial insurers  and                                                                    
providers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  remarked  that  air  ambulances  were                                                                    
obviously a big  deal in Alaska. He stated  that the primary                                                                    
air ambulance  company Guardian Flight  had been  bought and                                                                    
sold many times  in the past few years. He  wondered if some                                                                    
of  the  challenges the  company  had  as opposed  to  other                                                                    
carriers like Life Med had  been reflected in the Guidehouse                                                                    
findings.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  answered  that  the  findings  applied  to  most                                                                    
providers   and  were   not  unique   to  Guardian   Flight.                                                                    
Generally,  Medicare and  Medicaid paid  significantly lower                                                                    
than  commercial   rates.  The   Guidehouse  recommendations                                                                    
reflected  the  public  insurance programs  paying  more  of                                                                    
their share.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  was   hearing  from  service  providers                                                                    
including  pilots and  Guardian  Flight that  they were  not                                                                    
reimbursed when flights were in  route without a patient. He                                                                    
was told that 160 flights  were cancelled not due to weather                                                                    
in  the span  of one  year.  He found  it disconcerting.  He                                                                    
wondered  if  Guidehouse   had  similar  conversations  with                                                                    
providers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  answered that  Guidehouse heard  similar feedback                                                                    
from providers. He stated it  was a constraint in the nature                                                                    
of the  Medicaid program  that "you  could not  pay directly                                                                    
for those  things." However, it  was possible to  build into                                                                    
rates  the  understanding  there was  nonbillable  time  and                                                                    
resources that had to be covered.                                                                                               
2:58:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  turned to slide  26 titled "Annual  Fiscal Impact                                                                    
for Transportation Recommendations."  He highlighted the big                                                                    
issue was  increasing rates  for ambulance  providers. There                                                                    
were a few  policy recommendations included on  the slide as                                                                    
well.  He noted  a  recommendation  for statewide  brokerage                                                                    
partnerships, which could  have substantial positive effects                                                                    
for  non-emergency  medical  transportation.  He  noted  the                                                                    
issues around  drawing higher federal share  and highlighted                                                                    
that  ambulance rate  increases would  result in  additional                                                                    
state expenditures  of $2.3 million  to $2.4  million, which                                                                    
would draw  an additional  $16 million  total. He  stated it                                                                    
meant  that for  every dollar  the state  invested into  the                                                                    
rate  increases   it  resulted   in  $4  from   the  federal                                                                    
government.  He   explained  that   it  targeted   areas  of                                                                    
particular   need    in   the    state   because    it   was                                                                    
disproportionately positively impacted  rural travel heavily                                                                    
on the air and ground  ambulance side. He remarked that rate                                                                    
increases for  lodging was a  similar picture. The  need for                                                                    
lodging  was higher  for individuals  coming into  Anchorage                                                                    
from  rural areas.  Guidehouse  made  some estimates  around                                                                    
potential  savings for  a public  transportation partnership                                                                    
or  the  use  of  a  brokerage.  He  noted  it  depended  on                                                                    
implementation whether  there would be an  increase or yield                                                                    
potential savings.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  thought the  industry term  was "loaded"                                                                    
versus "unloaded" planes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones replied affirmatively.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:00:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Stapp    looked   at   the    term   "prior                                                                    
authorization fee increase"  on slide 26. He  asked what was                                                                    
meant by fee increase.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  replied  that TMOs  [tribal  management  office]                                                                    
served  as a  kind  of broker  arranging transportation.  In                                                                    
order  to go  through the  prior authorization  process TMOs                                                                    
charged  a  fee.  The  fee  was  set  many  years  back.  He                                                                    
explained that  because transportation needs  changed fairly                                                                    
regularly  sometimes it  could be  administratively complex;                                                                    
therefore,  Guidehouse recommended  increasing  the fee  for                                                                    
working the prior authorization system.                                                                                         
Representative Stapp  asked what was meant  by brokerage and                                                                    
government-to-government partnerships [slide 26].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones responded  that they  were called  government-to-                                                                    
government partnerships because some  of the elements of the                                                                    
brokerage happened  through TMOs.  He explained that  it was                                                                    
not technically a  brokerage, but a government-to-government                                                                    
agreement. He  detailed that it  would not cover all  of the                                                                    
travel  needs  and Guidehouse  was  looking  at a  statewide                                                                    
broker that did not involve tribal travel.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:02:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked for  further clarification on the                                                                    
statewide  broker.  He  did  not know  of  any  third  party                                                                    
vendors  that would  do  that. He  asked  if Guidehouse  was                                                                    
suggesting  the  state  would  take  the  responsibility  on                                                                    
instead  of  how  tribal  entities   already  did  the  work                                                                    
themselves.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones responded that for  non-tribal Medicaid members it                                                                    
would  involve  bringing  in   a  transportation  broker  to                                                                    
arrange  the travel  needs  for  the non-tribal  population.                                                                    
There were  TMOs for  the tribal  populations but  there was                                                                    
currently no broker. He remarked  that it could be a helpful                                                                    
thing for Alaska.  He clarified that the state  would not be                                                                    
doing the arranging.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  if the  broker was  akin to  a                                                                    
travel agency.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  referenced seasonal  lodging  rates.                                                                    
She  stated her  understanding that  currently there  was no                                                                    
variation in the rate. For  example, if the lodging rate was                                                                    
$100, it  did not  change if  it was  peak travel  season in                                                                    
Juneau where hotel rates doubled  overnight in the summer or                                                                    
in the middle of winter.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones agreed. Guidehouse  was recommending seasonal rate                                                                    
differences and increases generally.  He stated that even if                                                                    
the state did  not opt to do a seasonal  increase, a general                                                                    
increase in the current rate was needed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum was excited to  see the last slide with                                                                    
two line items  showing financial savings. He  looked at the                                                                    
overall $43  million of additional recommendations  and $110                                                                    
million in federal match. He  understood that increasing the                                                                    
rates would help  the service providers.  He  thought it was                                                                    
good  overall that  providers  would  get the  reimbursement                                                                    
rates necessary to provide the  services. He relayed that he                                                                    
had people come  to his office highlighting  there were many                                                                    
areas where  it was possible  to move the continuum  care to                                                                    
the left  to provide better  care sooner while  saving money                                                                    
in  the   long-term.  He   was  trying   to  get   a  better                                                                    
understanding how the  recommendations would accomplish that                                                                    
goal. He  stated that  nothing in  the evaluation  about the                                                                    
rates gave  a recommendation or reflection  showing that the                                                                    
state could  save money by  moving the continuum of  care to                                                                    
the left. He only saw  an additional $43 million in spending                                                                    
to provide care. He asked for comments.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ricci  answered  that  the study  was  focused  on  the                                                                    
underlying  rate methodology  and  buildups  and whether  it                                                                    
produced the desired  outcomes. She noted it  was focused on                                                                    
specific workstreams.  She reiterated her  earlier statement                                                                    
that there was  no expectation from the  department that the                                                                    
recommendations  would be  implemented all  at once  or ever                                                                    
depending  on  the  policy  considerations  and  the  fiscal                                                                    
situation facing  the state. The  department had  been asked                                                                    
many of  the questions  by providers and  constituents since                                                                    
it started in 2022. The  Guidehouse review started to give a                                                                    
little shape to what the  answers to some of those questions                                                                    
may  mean and  the magnitude.  She agreed  any consideration                                                                    
had  to align  with  what the  state wanted  to  see in  the                                                                    
outcome of  the system,  which she believed  was more  of an                                                                    
emphasis on  prevention and on  better aligning  services to                                                                    
meet the  risks and acuity  of the population  being served.                                                                    
She did not believe the  healthcare system or insurers did a                                                                    
great job  of doing  that currently.  She explained  that it                                                                    
would  be  a focus  area  for  the  department in  the  next                                                                    
several years.  The department  had some  ideas on  where to                                                                    
start and what  to look at. She noted those  things were not                                                                    
included in the Guidehouse studies.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:07:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  stated that  one of  Alaska's senators                                                                    
talked  extensively FMAP)and  the  fight  they underwent  to                                                                    
change the  50/50 [state/federal]  split to 30/70.  He asked                                                                    
if  there  had been  any  consideration  given to  what  the                                                                    
impact would  be for Alaska if  the congressional delegation                                                                    
had success in changing the FMAP percentage.                                                                                    
Ms. Ricci  answered that it was  not part of the  request to                                                                    
Guidehouse  as  part  of the  rate  methodology  study.  The                                                                    
department   had   been    closely   watching   the   issue,                                                                    
particularly  the  implications  for  Alaska  as  debate  on                                                                    
Medicaid funding at  the national level had  played out over                                                                    
the past  13 months.  She shared that  the state's  FMAP was                                                                    
over  50 percent  - it  had previously  hovered at  about 50                                                                    
percent - and  the state was seeing a decrease  of just over                                                                    
1 percent  beginning in October  of the next  federal fiscal                                                                    
year.  She relayed  that it  translated  into an  additional                                                                    
$10.8 million  the state  would have  to provide  in general                                                                    
funds beginning  in federal  FY 27.  She explained  that the                                                                    
information gave a sense of what  a 1 percent change in FMAP                                                                    
means in  relation to  the general fund  match in  any given                                                                    
year for the  Medicaid program. The state  tried to leverage                                                                    
opportunities  to  draw  down   federal  match  as  much  as                                                                    
possible.  She noted  that the  department would  talk about                                                                    
its operating budget with the  committee on Wednesday and it                                                                    
would discuss that it was  finding ways where it could claim                                                                    
additional   federal   dollars   for  IT   enhancements   or                                                                    
associated  positions. She  relayed  that  other states  had                                                                    
been doing those  things and the department  was making sure                                                                    
to do the work on its end.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:09:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  stated that her question  was spurred                                                                    
by Representative  Bynum's question about continuum  of care                                                                    
because she had  come to a different  conclusion. She looked                                                                    
at  slide  16  and  referenced Mr.  Jones's  statement  that                                                                    
personal  care services  remained  low and  rates needed  to                                                                    
increase by  up to  32 percent to  reflect actual  cost. She                                                                    
stated her understanding  that the whole nature  of that was                                                                    
keeping someone with care in their  home was at the far left                                                                    
of  continuum  of  care  and  saved  the  state  money.  She                                                                    
remarked that even if it  was a substantial rate increase of                                                                    
32 percent,  it would  save the state  money by  not putting                                                                    
someone into a hospital or  nursing home with more intensive                                                                    
care and cost. She asked if her conclusion was incorrect.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci  replied that she  did not  believe Representative                                                                    
Hannan was  incorrect. The  challenge was  how to  make sure                                                                    
the  cost resulted  in lower  overall cost  of care  for the                                                                    
individual compared  to what they  may have  received versus                                                                    
additional  cost   that  would   not  have   otherwise  been                                                                    
incurred. She thought it was  sometimes where they struggled                                                                    
to  see some  of  the  investment returns.  If  there was  a                                                                    
desire   to   move   forward   with   some   of   the   rate                                                                    
recommendations regarding  personal care services,  DOH knew                                                                    
it  was  an  area   that  required  careful  monitoring  and                                                                    
crafting to ensure services were  appropriate and being used                                                                    
as directed. There  had been problems with the  issue in the                                                                    
past  in Alaska  and other  states were  experiencing it  as                                                                    
well. The state  needed to be very  thoughtful before moving                                                                    
forward  and take  into consideration  items  that were  not                                                                    
necessarily  considered  in the  study  but  that the  state                                                                    
would  want to  make sure  were in  place from  the Medicaid                                                                    
side.  The same  was  true for  autism  services. She  heard                                                                    
concerns  consistently from  parents  whose children  needed                                                                    
autism services  that were not  available in the  state. The                                                                    
study also  found there  were insufficient  autism services.                                                                    
She  highlighted a  large rate  recommendation increase  for                                                                    
autism services. She relayed that  it was an area that could                                                                    
be prone to  misuse. She stated it was necessary  for DOH to                                                                    
be thinking about how to  address the need while building in                                                                    
the correct barriers to care for it from the beginning.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:12:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  if there  were  any  connections                                                                    
between  any of  the  Guidehouse  recommendations such  that                                                                    
"thing A must happen before things  B and C happen" in terms                                                                    
of reform of the methodology and payment structure.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones answered  that the main dependency  was around the                                                                    
rate  increases in  the four  different areas.  Many of  the                                                                    
latter   policy   recommendations   could   be   implemented                                                                    
independently.  For the  recommendations that  had a  strong                                                                    
financial  impact   there  was  a  basic   adoption  of  the                                                                    
methodology and  recalibration. The hold harmless  and other                                                                    
pieces depended on moving forward.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  if CMS  would have  concerns with                                                                    
the Guidehouse  recommendations that would result  in denial                                                                    
of a state plan adjustment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jones  replied that  he  did  not  see  it would  be  a                                                                    
significant  issue.  He   stated  the  recommendations  were                                                                    
accepted methodologies from CMS and  in many cases they were                                                                    
preferred.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:14:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  referenced  a statement  by  Ms.  Ricci                                                                    
about whether  changes would ever  be made depending  on the                                                                    
state's  fiscal  situation.  He   was  having  a  hard  time                                                                    
discerning  who   would  make  the  ultimate   decision.  He                                                                    
recognized that DOH  was central to the  decision making. He                                                                    
wondered  if the  reimbursement rate  was inadequate  if the                                                                    
state  allowed to  let it  erode or  if the  state would  be                                                                    
required   at  some   point  to   "play   ball"  with   some                                                                    
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ricci  answered  that DOH  worked  with  its  allocated                                                                    
budget including  the Medicaid program. Any  sort of changes                                                                    
to  the   rate  or  rate  methodologies   went  through  the                                                                    
appropriations   process.   She   explained  that   it   was                                                                    
complicated   because   there   were   annual   inflationary                                                                    
increases  that were  outlined  in  regulation and  rebasing                                                                    
that occurred  every four to  five years. She  detailed that                                                                    
the state  did not want  to end up  in a position  where the                                                                    
funding  available  for  the Medicaid  component  conflicted                                                                    
with  the required  regulatory adjustments.  Ultimately, the                                                                    
Medicaid program  functioned within the budget  allocated by                                                                    
the  legislature. She  stated it  would  be presumptuous  of                                                                    
anyone  in the  department to  put forward  substantial rate                                                                    
increases that were not supported through appropriations.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  if  the  department  could  give                                                                    
providers  who  may   be  listening  a  sense   of  how  the                                                                    
department would  be engaging with the  recommendations over                                                                    
the next couple of years.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ricci  responded  that  DOH  had  a  clear  vision  for                                                                    
behavioral health services.  She stated it was  an area with                                                                    
very  strong  interest  and focus  by  the  department,  the                                                                    
legislature, and federal entities.  She remarked that it was                                                                    
a  critical piece  that needed  to be  done right.  The plan                                                                    
included  promulgating regulations  and  leveraging the  $10                                                                    
million  increment proposed  in the  supplemental to  extend                                                                    
into FY  27. She  believed more  discussions were  needed on                                                                    
the  other rate  methodologies  accounting  for the  state's                                                                    
fiscal  situation and  the realities  of the  existing needs                                                                    
that  frequently  exceeded  the  state's means  and  how  to                                                                    
prioritize what the  state was able to invest  in. She noted                                                                    
that  she  did  not  currently   have  the  answer  to  that                                                                    
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:17:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked what  the regulations required as a                                                                    
timeline on the  other three elements of the  plan. He asked                                                                    
if  the  DOH regulations  were  in  Title  7 of  the  Alaska                                                                    
Administrative Code.  He asked  if there  was a  deadline of                                                                    
January 1, 2028.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci  replied that  she did not  know that  anything in                                                                    
the study changed what was in existing regulations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson used the  medevac company Guardian Flight                                                                    
as an  example and asked when  he could tell the  company to                                                                    
expect the department would take action.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci  answered that the department  was considering all                                                                    
of  the recommendations  and it  needed to  evaluate how  to                                                                    
implement them  within the context  of the  [state's] fiscal                                                                    
situation.  The department  had  identified  a path  forward                                                                    
with behavioral  health rights,  but she  did not  know that                                                                    
there was the same clarity on the other rights.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum  considered   the  premise   for  the                                                                    
evaluations and observed  there were estimated expenditures.                                                                    
He  remarked that  the recommendation  was for  a change  in                                                                    
rates that  resulted in additional  cost. The rates  were to                                                                    
reimburse  providers for  services they  were providing.  He                                                                    
asked  if there  was consideration  given to  how increasing                                                                    
the  rates   translated  into  better  care.   He  asked  if                                                                    
increasing  the rates  would lead  to additional  costs that                                                                    
were  not reflected  in the  presentation.  For example,  he                                                                    
asked if certain services would  be utilized more frequently                                                                    
because there  may be an  increase in providers as  a result                                                                    
of more money being provided for the service.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Payne  replied that  if  people  had proper  access  to                                                                    
services  it   could  result  in  an   increase  in  service                                                                    
utilization. She  highlighted transportation  in particular.                                                                    
She  noted that  it  got into  the  cost avoidance  question                                                                    
Representative Bynum had mentioned.  She explained that if a                                                                    
person  went to  their standard  office visit  or therapies,                                                                    
perhaps they  would not end  up in the hospital.  She stated                                                                    
that it was  a chain reaction that was hard  to quantify the                                                                    
overall  impact  five  to  ten  years  in  the  future.  She                                                                    
elaborated that  it was  desirable to  get people  access to                                                                    
services for better care for the desired outcomes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum   asked  if   the  estimates   in  the                                                                    
presentation reflected  only current services that  would be                                                                    
provided  under the  new rate  model and  did not  take into                                                                    
account potential higher uses of services.                                                                                      
Ms.  Payne  responded  affirmatively.  The  information  was                                                                    
based on  historical utilization with updated  rates applied                                                                    
to the cost.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:20:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci shared  that one area the  department was focusing                                                                    
on, especially  with behavioral health, was  access to care.                                                                    
She highlighted  situations where  individuals showed  up at                                                                    
an emergency room in need  of immediate care and were unable                                                                    
to  get follow  up care  in the  community as  fast as  they                                                                    
needed. Additionally,  there were  individuals who  ended up                                                                    
seeking  higher levels  of care  than  they otherwise  would                                                                    
because  they did  not have  community access  to care.  She                                                                    
noted  it  was  one  of  the  reasons  DOH  focused  on  the                                                                    
behavioral health  rates to start with.  She elaborated that                                                                    
there  may  be  an  increase  in  utilization  of  community                                                                    
providers but  ideally over time  there would be  a decrease                                                                    
in individuals needing acute care.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  stated  her understanding  that  DOH                                                                    
determined  it  would  start  with  behavioral  health.  She                                                                    
thought  it  was  a  great  presentation  helping  committee                                                                    
members  understand that  transportation  equaled access  to                                                                    
care,  which  was  another cost.  She  referenced  long-term                                                                    
care, specifically  the 32 percent  for care  providers. She                                                                    
believed it  seemed very important  for access to  care. She                                                                    
asked if all of the  recommendations should be considered if                                                                    
the  legislature identified  funding.  She  wondered if  the                                                                    
governor would consider it. She  asked if there was only one                                                                    
piece they were ready to put forward.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci answered  that the department had  been focused on                                                                    
the   behavioral  health   rates.  She   relayed  that   the                                                                    
recommendations    reflected   a    series   of    different                                                                    
considerations  the legislature  could make.  She elaborated                                                                    
that if a  specific area had gaps and people  were unable to                                                                    
get services (e.g.,  personal care assistants), it  may be a                                                                    
conversation to  have in the  future where changes  could be                                                                    
made  to  improve gaps.  There  was  a series  of  different                                                                    
options  that   the  legislature   could  combine   or  take                                                                    
depending  on  the available  funding  and  need. She  asked                                                                    
Guidehouse specifically  if it had  seen any state  that had                                                                    
implemented  recommendations   all  at  once  or   in  their                                                                    
entirety.  The answer  was  no because  it  was complex  and                                                                    
every  state had  different budgetary  needs at  a different                                                                    
time. She  had been  hearing about concerns  in some  of the                                                                    
areas [included in the recommendations]  for a long time and                                                                    
the recommendations could help  provide numbers and sense of                                                                    
magnitude for policymakers and appropriators.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:24:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked the  committee to  remember the                                                                    
multitude of  personal care providers  it had heard  from in                                                                    
the  past couple  of years.  The committee  heard repeatedly                                                                    
from  personal  care attendants  who  loved  their jobs  but                                                                    
could not continue  doing what they were  doing because they                                                                    
could  not earn  a living  wage. She  appreciated it  was an                                                                    
area impacting the health and wellness of all of Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson referenced the  situation that took place                                                                    
with the caregivers  a couple of years back  [referred to by                                                                    
Representative  Galvin].  He  asked  if it  would  give  the                                                                    
department the  confidence that the legislature  was serious                                                                    
about  making the  broader  policy part  of  its budget  and                                                                    
would  move to  adjust the  rates.  He would  have to  think                                                                    
about  whether those  increases, if  appropriated, would  be                                                                    
part of  the base  budget. He  asked if  the rates  would be                                                                    
important to the  legislature at that point.  He thought the                                                                    
questions  may  be  more  appropriate  for  the  Legislative                                                                    
Finance Division.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Ricci  responded   that  the   department  had   spent                                                                    
significant  time  considering  the  implementation  of  the                                                                    
behavioral  health recommendations.  The department  had not                                                                    
spent  as much  time  thinking through  the implications  of                                                                    
some of the  other reports. Given the history  of the state,                                                                    
especially related  to personal care assistant  services and                                                                    
the  magnitude of  the dollar  impact, the  department would                                                                    
want to spend considerable  time thinking through what would                                                                    
be  appropriate. The  department was  not currently  at that                                                                    
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson thanked the presenters.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HB  263  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  265  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  reviewed the schedule for  the following                                                                    
day.