Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

03/25/2024 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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*+ HB 313 PUBLIC UTILITY REGULATORY COST CHARGE TELECONFERENCED
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*+ HB 324 INS. DATA SECURITY; INFO. SECURITY PRGRMS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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-- Public Testimony --
+= HB 218 FIREFIGHTER WORKERS COMP REQUIREMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 218(L&C) Out of Committee
        HB 226-PHARMACIES/PHARMACISTS/BENEFITS MANAGERS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:48:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR RUFFRIDGE  announced that the final  order of business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL NO.  226, "An Act  relating to the  Board of                                                               
Pharmacy;   relating  to   insurance;  relating   to  pharmacies;                                                               
relating to pharmacists; relating  to pharmacy benefits managers;                                                               
relating  to patient  choice of  pharmacy; and  providing for  an                                                               
effective date."  [Before the committee was CSHB 226(HSS).]                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:48:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR RUFFRIDGE opened public testimony on HB 226.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:48:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  RIDLEY, Chief/Chairman,  Tanana Chief's  Conference (TCC),                                                               
testified in  support of  HB 226.   He  stated that  patients and                                                               
pharmacists  in Alaska  are  currently in  a  state of  financial                                                               
crisis,  with  prescription  drugs  becoming  unaffordable.    He                                                               
reported that,  through mergers,  just three  of the  70 pharmacy                                                               
benefit  managers (PBMs)  in the  US  control 80  percent of  the                                                               
prescription  drug market.    He further  reported  that each  of                                                               
these  three  also  own  a  health  insurer,  a  large  franchise                                                               
pharmacy,  and  large   medical  providers,  thereby  controlling                                                               
pricing,  coverage,  cost  control, where  prescriptions  can  be                                                               
filled,  and  the ultimate  cost  to  the employer  and  patient.                                                               
Tribal health  organizations, he stated, are  the only healthcare                                                               
option in  many of Alaska's  rural communities and  their ability                                                               
to continue  providing pharmacy services  is in  serious jeopardy                                                               
due  to  the practices  of  PBMs.    Mr.  Ridley said  [TCC]  has                                                               
calculated a loss of more than  $4 million annually to the bottom                                                               
line of [tribal  health care] pharmacies and the  State of Alaska                                                               
is spending  nearly $8  million more  annually using  the current                                                               
PBM contract  than it would  under the provisions included  in HB
226.  He urged the rapid passage of HB 226.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:51:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS asked  whether it is the Title  21 or Title                                                               
39 language in the bill that  would have primary impact on tribal                                                               
health providers.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. RIDLEY answered that he is not sure.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:52:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY  THIEL, Executive  Director, Denali  Oncology Group  (DOG),                                                               
testified  in support  of HB  226.   She said  the bill  seeks to                                                               
regulate  the  harmful  practices  of  white  bagging  and  brown                                                               
bagging  policies  employed  by  insurers  and  pharmacy  benefit                                                               
managers (PBMs).   White bagging and brown  bagging policies, she                                                               
explained, require that patient  medications be delivered through                                                               
an  insurer  or  PBM-designated specialty  pharmacy  rather  than                                                               
allowing  providers to  acquire  and  dispense these  medications                                                               
directly.    This  can  lead  to many  issues  for  patients  and                                                               
providers,  she  noted,  including   the  improper  delivery  and                                                               
storage of medication, delayed end  care, and medical waste.  She                                                               
said  DOG believes  that  healthcare  providers, in  consultation                                                               
with their  patients, should maintain  the ability to  choose the                                                               
most   appropriate  sources   for  obtaining   and  administering                                                               
necessary  medication.    She  said HB  226  would  preserve  the                                                               
ability   of   oncologists   to  manage   the   procurement   and                                                               
administration  of  medication  through established  and  trusted                                                               
channels, thereby protecting the  wellbeing of cancer patients in                                                               
Alaska.  She asked that the committee pass HB 226.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:54:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  LEE,  Director,  State Regulation  and  Policy,  Community                                                               
Oncology  Alliance (COA),  testified in  support of  HB 226.   He                                                               
said  COA  believes  that  white   and  brown  bagging  practices                                                               
threaten patient safety, compromise  treatment efficacy, and pose                                                               
significant  challenges to  the continuity  of care  for Alaskans                                                               
with cancer.   He explained  that white and brown  bagging refers                                                               
to  the  process  where insurers  and  PBM  affiliated  specialty                                                               
pharmacies  mail or  deliver cancer  medications directly  to the                                                               
physician's office or to the  patient's home rather than allowing                                                               
the  patient's oncologist  to directly  handle  and dispense  the                                                               
medications.  Under white and  brown bagging insurer policies, he                                                               
argued,  the  integrity  and safety  of  highly  specialized  and                                                               
fragile cancer  medications cannot be guaranteed  once they leave                                                               
the   controlled  environment   of  their   affiliated  specialty                                                               
pharmacy.   He pointed  out that  improper handling,  storage, or                                                               
temperature control  during shipping can compromise  the efficacy                                                               
of  a drug  and  impact  patient outcomes.    Dosage changes  are                                                               
common in  cancer care,  he noted, but  these policies  can delay                                                               
changes due  to the  need to  reorder and  await delivery  of new                                                               
medication, further complicating a patient's health.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:57:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TONIA NEAL,  Senior Director, State Affairs,  Pharmaceutical Care                                                               
Management  Association (PCMA),  testified  in  opposition to  HB
226.  She  noted that PCMA is the national  trade association for                                                               
PBMs.  She said PBMs  operate within a highly regulated framework                                                               
overseen by several federal agencies,  and their role is to serve                                                               
as a service  provider for health plans, not  to unilaterally set                                                               
pharmacy access or out of pocket  cost.  Drug pricing is dictated                                                               
by  manufacturers,  she  stated,  and PBMs  promote  the  use  of                                                               
generic alternatives  which account  for 90 percent  of dispensed                                                               
prescriptions in  the US.   Specialty  drugs are  responsible for                                                               
about 82.5 percent  of the cost, she continued,  so the committee                                                               
should look  at the whole supply  chain, not just the  one entity                                                               
involved in HB 226.  She  said specialty pharmacies focus on high                                                               
cost and  high-tech medications  that are  not self-administered,                                                               
that are typically  sent to the provider's  office to administer,                                                               
and   that   may   require   special   handling,   storage,   and                                                               
administration.  She  argued that the mandate in HB  226 to shift                                                               
pricing to  National Average Drug  Acquisition Cost  (NADAC) will                                                               
increase  costs  to Alaskans  without  a  benefit.   She  further                                                               
argued  that   the  bill's  mandate  of   profit  guarantees  for                                                               
pharmacies  could   compromise  costs   and  patient   safety  by                                                               
undermining the specialty drugs.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:58:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BALLARD  SAUL,  PharmD,  BCPS, representing  self,  testified  in                                                               
support of HB 226.  He  stated that the current practice of white                                                               
and brown bagging  by PBMs hinders the ability  of pharmacists to                                                               
ensure the  delivery of  safe and  effective therapy  to patients                                                               
because  pharmacists  are  unable  to  certify  the  medication's                                                               
integrity.   He  asked  that committee  members consider  whether                                                               
they would  prefer a supply  chain that is manned  by individuals                                                               
who have dedicated their lives  to education and training, or one                                                               
that is  comprised of health  care facilities that  have invested                                                               
millions of dollars  to ensure that the medication  received by a                                                               
patient is  safe and effective, or  one that has very  few checks                                                               
and balances  to ensure the medication  is handled appropriately.                                                               
White and  brown bagging,  he stressed,  are a  medication safety                                                               
concern anywhere, and especially in Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[VICE CHAIR RUFFRIDGE returned the gavel to Chair Sumner.]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:01:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHAWNA  KING, PharmD,  BCPS,  Providence  Alaska Medical  Center,                                                               
testified in support of HB 226.   She stated that the lack of PBM                                                               
regulation  in Alaska  is allowing  mail order  only practice  by                                                               
insurance companies, causing local  pharmacies in Alaska to close                                                               
and  thereby limiting  access to  medications for  everyone.   It                                                               
impacts  the  appropriate  management of  chronic  diseases,  she                                                               
maintained,  and limits  access  to medications  needed to  treat                                                               
urgent  medical issues,  such as  antibiotics.   Pharmacy benefit                                                               
managers  do not  equally reimburse  local pharmacies,  she said,                                                               
and  PBMs claim  to reduce  medication cost  but fail  to provide                                                               
transparent  evidence of  medication  cost  savings to  patients.                                                               
She related  that several home  infusion pharmacies  and infusion                                                               
centers in  Anchorage have closed  due to the  negative financial                                                               
impacts  of  the  white  bagging   and  brown  bagging  practices                                                               
required by PBMs.  There  is unclear chain of medication custody,                                                               
she asserted, which  violates the Drug Supply  Chain Security Act                                                               
[of 2013] and  appropriate therapy is often  delayed for patients                                                               
because of  the known shipping issues  for specialty medications,                                                               
especially to Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:04:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LEIF HOLM,  PharmD, Owner, Alaska  Family Pharmacy,  testified in                                                               
support  of HB  226.    He related  that  Alaska Family  Pharmacy                                                               
opened its first store in 1960  and grew into four stores serving                                                               
Interior  Alaska  with   plans  to  expand.     But  instead,  he                                                               
continued, Alaska Family Pharmacy  had to close its tele-pharmacy                                                               
in  Healy  due  to  unfair reimbursement  practices  and  another                                                               
pharmacy  due to  an employee  crisis  exacerbated by  a lack  of                                                               
capital  from consistently  inadequate reimbursements.   He  said                                                               
his  pharmacy became  the only  independent pharmacy  in Interior                                                               
Alaska in  2022 when the  other independent pharmacy  closed, and                                                               
he is  aware of two  independent locations in Juneau  that closed                                                               
recently.  He noted that  his pharmacy continues to struggle with                                                               
reimbursement issues.   He  asserted that it  is not  an isolated                                                               
case of  him being  a terrible  businessman, but  rather it  is a                                                               
case of the  math not adding up given that  demand is increasing,                                                               
prices   are   increasing,    overhead   is   increasing,   while                                                               
reimbursements to  pharmacies are  shrinking.   [Pharmacies] have                                                               
no  ability to  set  their  prices, he  continued,  and no  other                                                               
business has  such little power  to deal with the  inflation that                                                               
is happening.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:06:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAMANTHA ERVIN,  PharmD, BCACP,  representing self,  testified in                                                               
support of HB  226. support for HB  226.  She stated  that in her                                                               
nearly  three  years  as  a  pharmacist in  Tok  she  has  become                                                               
increasingly concerned  with current  PBM practices  because they                                                               
put  a threat  to  all small  rural pharmacies  in  Alaska.   She                                                               
related that prior to the  Tok pharmacy opening in 2021, patients                                                               
used mail  order pharmacies or  drove eight hours round  trip for                                                               
their  chronic medication  needs.   If critical  medications came                                                               
from a mail  order pharmacy, she continued, they  arrived with no                                                               
counseling support on  how to use complicated  devices or special                                                               
ways to take the medications or  which side effects to watch for.                                                               
She said  some of her  concerns with PBMs include  forced co-pays                                                               
to use local pharmacies, refusal  to send diabetic medication for                                                               
risk of freezing  resulting in a loss in  care, continued sending                                                               
of  medications  that  were stopped  by  providers,  and  sending                                                               
critical  lifesaving  medications  late,  resulting  in  patients                                                               
going to local  pharmacies for the medication to  prevent a lapse                                                               
in care and  having to pay again.   The option to  use mail order                                                               
pharmacies should be kept as an option, she stated, not a must.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:08:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARLENE HUNTINGTON,  representing self,  testified in  support of                                                               
HB 226.   She stated  that she primarily serves patients residing                                                               
in  villages throughout  Interior Alaska.   Because  the villages                                                               
are  not connected  to  a road  system,  she continued,  patients                                                               
cannot walk  down the  street to  a local  pharmacy to  rectify a                                                               
prescription that has  been damaged in transit or  damaged due to                                                               
weather.    She   said  the  PBM  mail  order   system  does  not                                                               
accommodate for  real life  scenarios in  villages, such  as post                                                               
offices  sometimes   being  closed   for  long  periods   due  to                                                               
postmaster staffing  shortages, medications getting stuck  in the                                                               
US Postal Service  for extended periods of time and  having to be                                                               
wasted because of going out  of an acceptable temperature storage                                                               
range, and  patients being unable  to cross rivers  during spring                                                               
breakup to get  to a post office.  She  asserted that the current                                                               
PBM  model does  not  provide  an acceptable  level  of care  and                                                               
diligence that  is provided  by local  pharmacists in  Alaska and                                                               
does not  fit or serve  the logistical challenges  of communities                                                               
in rural Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:10:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GERALD  "JERRY" BROWN,  Pharmacist, representing  self, testified                                                               
in support of HB 226.  He related  that about 10 years ago he and                                                               
his wife  purchased a legacy  pharmacy in Fairbanks but  lost the                                                               
pharmacy because  of the negative  revenue that was  being forced                                                               
on them  by the  PBMs.   He stated  that 10  years ago  the gross                                                               
margins were  about 22  percent as compared  to 2  percent today,                                                               
which  makes  it impossible  to  hire  enough pharmacists  and/or                                                               
staff  to conduct  business and  so the  pharmacy was  running in                                                               
negative  revenue.   The purpose  of government,  he said,  is to                                                               
provide  and develop  infrastructure  for the  state and  develop                                                               
rules  of conduct  through legislation  to provide  a stable  tax                                                               
state and guide the future of Alaska.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:12:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIRK WHITE,  RPh, representing self,  testified in support  of HB
226.   He stated that the  retail pharmacy world is  under attack                                                               
by pharmacy  benefit managers.   He maintained  that PBMs  have a                                                               
hidden agenda to  close all competition, which  has been creating                                                               
health  care  deficits  across  the US,  including  Alaska.    He                                                               
recounted  that just  today two  patients  informed his  pharmacy                                                               
that  Optum,  the State  of  Alaska's  pharmacy benefit  manager,                                                               
called them  trying to get  them to  move to mail  order pharmacy                                                               
out  of state.   How  many other  patients have  been called,  he                                                               
asked.   He argued that it  is an egregious policy  when Alaska's                                                               
retiree and  active employee pharmacy  benefits manager  tries to                                                               
remove patients  from [local]  care and  get them  to go  to mail                                                               
order.  This pulls money  from Alaska's fragile state economy, he                                                               
said, and Sitka  is isolated on an island  without other economic                                                               
engines.   The PBMs must  be stopped, he submitted,  because they                                                               
only care about their profits  and not Alaska's citizens or their                                                               
health.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:14:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN  PENNER,  PharmD,  BCPS, representing  self,  testified  in                                                               
support  of HB  226. She  stated  that she  recently had  corneal                                                               
transplants, and  as a patient  herself she has seen  the impacts                                                               
of  PBMs on  medication access  because limited  pharmacies carry                                                               
the eye  drops that she  needs.  She  said PBMs have  forced Tri-                                                               
Care's hand  on restricting where  she can get  her prescriptions                                                               
filled  in  Eagle  River,  resulting  in  significant  delays  in                                                               
accessing  the medication  she needs  for her  transplants.   She                                                               
related that  as a  hospital pharmacist she  sees the  impacts of                                                               
PBMs in transitions  of care and she often  worries that patients                                                               
will not receive  their prescriptions in a  timely manner because                                                               
of  PBMs.   As an  educator, she  further related,  she sees  the                                                               
impacts  of  PBMs  on  new   graduates  as  they  have  decreased                                                               
opportunities for work in Alaska's small local pharmacies.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:15:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  BOHRER, RPh,  Pharmacy  Practice  Coordinator, Fred  Meyer,                                                               
testified  in support  of  HB 226.   He  stated  that Fred  Meyer                                                               
believes HB 226 represents a  step towards safeguarding patients'                                                               
rights and improving access to  quality health care.  The reforms                                                               
in HB 226,  he said, would ensure that patients  have the freedom                                                               
to  choose  their pharmacy  without  undue  influence from  PBMs;                                                               
would bring  PBMs within the  purview of the Alaska  Unfair Trade                                                               
Practices  and   Consumer  Protection  Act;  and   would  require                                                               
reimbursement at an  objective and transparent standard.   He put                                                               
forth that the PBM practice  of reimbursing pharmacies below drug                                                               
acquisition cost  has led to permanent  and/or temporary pharmacy                                                               
closures within Alaska.   Those pharmacies that have  not yet had                                                               
to close  their doors or reduce  hours, he advised, have  not yet                                                               
had to make the difficult decisions  of which drugs to stock, how                                                               
to  remain open  without making  staffing cuts,  or not  renewing                                                               
certain third-party  contracts due too  low a reimbursement.   He                                                               
said  HB  226  will  help ensure  pharmacies  continue  providing                                                               
Alaskans  with   the  same  level   of  service  and   access  to                                                               
medication, and will advance patient  rights, improve health care                                                               
outcomes, and promote fairness in the pharmacy industry.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:18:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRITTANY KARNS,  PharmD, representing self, testified  in support                                                               
of HB 226.  She related that  she has worked across a spectrum of                                                               
pharmacies,  and  all are  being  directly  impacted by  bad  PBM                                                               
practices.  The bottom line, she  submitted, is that PBMs are big                                                               
businesses that  are making  big money  off unfair  practices and                                                               
what  [Alaska's pharmacies]  are  asking for  is fair  practices.                                                               
Local pharmacies, she said, are  telling the committee today that                                                               
they are  being choked out  by big  businesses who want  all that                                                               
money.    She questioned  the  choice  to  have white  and  brown                                                               
bagging  practices  when  clinics   and  hospitals  already  have                                                               
pharmacies staffed  with Doctors of Pharmacy,  who have completed                                                               
residencies.  The  only reason, she answered, is so  the PBMs can                                                               
make the  money on  the drug  and other people  do all  the work.                                                               
The medications are shipped with  no instructions, she continued,                                                               
and then the recipients come to her  pharmacy to ask how to do it                                                               
and she doesn't make any money.   She asserted that the PBM model                                                               
is not transparent,  and it drives the money out  of state, while                                                               
constituents  tell their  legislators  that it  is killing  their                                                               
businesses and driving pharmacy out of Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:20:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  MILLER,   Pharmacist,  representing  self,   testified  in                                                               
support of  HB 226.   She said she  is concerned about  access to                                                               
pharmacy care  and noted that  in the last two  years independent                                                               
pharmacies  have closed  their  doors or  decreased their  hours.                                                               
For  example,  she continued,  her  employer  Denali Pharmacy  is                                                               
supported by  a facility but had  to [reduce the time  it is open                                                               
by five  hours].  She said  she is concerned about  the practices                                                               
of PBMs and  all she is asking for is  transparency.  She offered                                                               
her  belief that  when PBMs  say they  save health  care dollars,                                                               
these  savings  turn   into  a  burden  of   cost  to  providers,                                                               
pharmacies, and  patients.  [Providers]  are having to  hire more                                                               
staff, she  specified, one full  time equivalent (FTE)  for every                                                               
five providers,  just to deal  with the PBM practices  for paying                                                               
claims, or contracting with third  party vendors for thousands of                                                               
dollars a  year just to  figure out what medication  is currently                                                               
covered by  this pharmacy  benefit plan.   Further,  she related,                                                               
pharmacies are not  getting reimbursed for the cost  of the drug,                                                               
let alone a  dispensing fee.  Patients are  paying bigger co-pays                                                               
than ever  before, she  continued.  Where  are the  cost savings,                                                               
she asked,  to a patient who  ends up in the  intensive care unit                                                               
(ICU)  for  diabetic  ketoacidosis (DKA)  because  they  couldn't                                                               
afford to pick up their insulin?                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:23:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER closed public testimony on HB 226.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[HB 226 was held over.]                                                                                                         

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HB313 Transmittal Letter.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 313
HB313 Sectional Analysis ver. A.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 313
HB313 Fiscal Note DCCED-RCA.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 313
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HB 324
HB 324 Sectional Analysis.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 324
HB 324 Supporting Documents-State Map.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 324
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HB 233
UA TVEP_HLC Committee_3-25-24.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 55
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HB 55
B.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 324
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HB 324
20240325 AK HB 226 COA support.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 226
HB218 Amendments.pdf HL&C 3/25/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 218