Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/03/2001 08:05 AM House STA

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HB 198-GOV SALARY; PUB OFFICERS RETIREMENT COLA                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0112                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 198,  "An Act  relating to  a post-retirement                                                               
pension  adjustment  and  cost-of-living  allowance  for  persons                                                               
receiving benefits  under the Elected Public  Officers Retirement                                                               
System; and increasing the compensation of the governor."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE  BILL  HUDSON,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  came                                                               
forward  to  testify as  sponsor  of  HB 198.    He  said HB  198                                                               
corrects  a  long-standing  inequity in  the  retirement  benefit                                                               
calculations for a group of  public employees who retired between                                                               
January  1 and  October 14,  1976.   Every other  person who  has                                                               
retired under the Public Employees  Retirement System or Teachers                                                               
Retirement  system  has  received  an automatic  cost  of  living                                                               
adjustment  in retirement  benefits based  on the  consumer price                                                               
index.   But  there are  about 35  people who  retired under  the                                                               
Elected Public Officers Retirement  System (EPORS) who have never                                                               
received  a single  cost of  living increase,  and Representative                                                               
Hudson said that  needs to be corrected.   "It's basic fairness,"                                                               
he said.  Now, an increase of  about 40 percent is needed to make                                                               
up the difference.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON  said the second  aspect of the bill  is to                                                               
increase  the  governor's salary,  which  has  not changed  since                                                               
1983, when it was increased to  $81,648.  The intent at that time                                                               
was  to  set  the  governor's  salary at  a  Range  30,  Step  F.                                                               
However, when the legislature set  the dollar amount, that amount                                                               
took precedence  over the salary  schedule.  Again, he  said, the                                                               
issue is  basic fairness.   He noted  that the  governor's annual                                                               
salary now is  less than that paid to his  chief of staff, deputy                                                               
chief  of  staff,  legislative   director,  or  to  a  department                                                               
director.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  indicated his intention  to hear the  testimony of                                                               
former Governor Jay Hammond that day  and then to hold HB 198 for                                                               
further hearing and discussion on another day.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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FORMER GOVERNOR  JAY HAMMOND came  forward to testify  in support                                                               
of  HB 198.   He  said he  thinks  a good  case can  be made  for                                                               
correcting what  has been largely  an oversight.  There  has been                                                               
enormous erosion in  the value of the retirement  benefits he and                                                               
others receive.   He  cited a  recent AARP  report that  over the                                                               
past 17  years, the price of  goods bought by the  general public                                                               
rose  73.9 percent  while the  price of  goods bought  by seniors                                                               
rose 85.1  percent.  During that  entire time, there has  been no                                                               
change  in retirement  income for  those who,  like him,  retired                                                               
under  EPORS.   His  retirement  salary,  worth $80,000  when  he                                                               
retired,  is  now   worth  $32,000  in  today's   dollars.    His                                                               
retirement package provides a reduced  benefit to his wife on his                                                               
demise.    Her  retirement  income now  would  be  worth  roughly                                                               
$6,000, and as she could outlive  him by 10-20 years, that income                                                               
will be worth "virtually nothing."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR  HAMMOND  explained  that   the  problem  is  compounded                                                               
because the  Elected Public Officials' Retirement  System (EPORS)                                                               
was structured  on a formula  that adjusted retirement  income in                                                               
relation  to  the  current salary  for  the  retiree's  position.                                                               
Since  there  has been  virtually  no  change in  the  governor's                                                               
salary  ...  since 1978,  the  governor's  retirement income  has                                                               
eroded much  more than that paid  to those who retired  under the                                                               
Public Employees'  Retirement System (PERS).   The PERS employees                                                               
receive not only  the cost of living increments  that other state                                                               
employees  receive,  but  also  a   10  percent  cost  of  living                                                               
differential for living in Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR  HAMMOND  acknowledged  that  for  any  increase  to  be                                                               
palatable  to the  public, it  has to  be at  reasonable expense,                                                               
equitable, and politically  acceptable.  He did  not know exactly                                                               
what  the cost  might be,  but said  he thought  it could  be cut                                                               
substantially  if the  legislature were  to limit  eligibility to                                                               
those who  are at  least 70 years  old or to  those who  have not                                                               
received a cost-of-living  adjustment for at least 10  years.  He                                                               
thought  most people  would  readily accept  the  fact that  some                                                               
adjustment might  be appropriate for anybody  who hasn't received                                                               
a cost of living increase in 10 years.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR  HAMMOND  said  he  frankly thinks  there  ought  to  be                                                               
adjustments across the board in  regard to "all sorts of things,"                                                               
although HB 198 probably wouldn't  be the appropriate vehicle for                                                               
doing all of it. He noted  that there are three co-equal branches                                                               
of state government.   "You would think, then, that  the heads of                                                               
those  co-equal  branches  would be  similarly  compensated,"  he                                                               
observed.   Yet  the basic  judge's salary  is $112,000,  and "it                                                               
seems  to me  at  the  very minimum  the  governor  ought to  get                                                               
roughly  the  same  as  a  judge,"  he  said.    He  also  thinks                                                               
legislators,  who serve  one-third  of the  year,  ought to  have                                                               
their salaries boosted to one-third of $112,000.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR  HAMMOND  said  he  believes it  would  be  possible  to                                                               
increase the governor's  salary in the manner proposed  by HB 198                                                               
without it costing the state one  nickel.  "All you would have to                                                               
do is say, all right, the  governor's salary goes to $110,000 [as                                                               
per HB 198] provided, however,  we're going to charge him $30,000                                                               
for room and  board and the use  of a free vehicle."   That would                                                               
not increase the impact on the state  budget at all, he said.  He                                                               
also suggested  adjusting the legislative budget  so a legislator                                                               
could take the  $6,000 expense accounts as an addition  to his or                                                               
her salary.  The same might  be done with the per diem allowance,                                                               
which  some people  are reluctant  to  draw.   "As a  consequence                                                               
you've got an inequity among  how you people are compensated," he                                                               
noted.   "I think to remove  some of these inequities  and create                                                               
something  that treats  everybody  essentially the  same is  well                                                               
warranted," he said.   "And I think it would  be well-accepted by                                                               
the public."  However, he said, he  did not want to clutter up HB
198 by putting all those elements into it.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR HAMMOND  said most  people think  the governor  makes at                                                               
least $100,000  or $120,000,  and "they're  appalled to  find out                                                               
that  it's much  less than  hundreds if  not thousands  of public                                                               
employees," he  said.  "Anything you  can do to remedy  this will                                                               
be gratefully appreciated by all involved."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said according to  Representative Hudson, there are                                                               
35 people who would be affected by HB 198.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON expressed  hope that HB 198  could be moved                                                               
forward  soon,  noting  that  there   are  less  than  six  weeks                                                               
remaining in the session.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL suspended the hearing and testimony on HB 198.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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