Legislature(1999 - 2000)

05/18/1999 01:30 PM Senate L&C

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           HB 167-REPEAL MOBIL HOME DEALER REGISTRATION                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
CHAIRMAN  MACKIE  called the  Senate  Labor and  Commerce  Committee                                                            
meeting  to order at  1:30 p.m. and  announced HB  167 to be  up for                                                            
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETER TORKELSON, aide  to Representative Cowdery, said HB 167 is                                                            
a simple deregulation  bill for small  Alaskan businesses  that sell                                                            
mobile homes.   Currently, they must pay up to $1,500  to get bonded                                                            
and, in  some cases,  much more than  that.   A small business  just                                                            
starting out must  pay a $500 plus license fee.  There  is currently                                                            
no need for any of these  protections because not one claim has been                                                            
made against a  licensee for their bond.  The result  of these hoops                                                            
is  to drive  the small  operators  out of  business  or, at  least,                                                            
outside  the  law.   This bill  levels  the  playing field  for  all                                                            
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE asked how many dealers there are.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORKELSON answered  there are 14 dealers licensed in the State -                                                            
10 of those  sell primarily  used mobile homes.   Only four  deal in                                                            
new ones.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY gave the  committee some historical perspective saying                                                            
the requirement for bonding  was created because there were "a bunch                                                            
of sleazy  fly-by-night  artists out  there selling  mobile  homes."                                                            
They caused  enough problems that  they came to the legislature  and                                                            
said they wanted to upgrade  the professional image of the industry.                                                            
The fact that  there have been no  claims is terrific.  "That  means                                                            
it's working."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORKELSON responded  that the House Labor and Commerce Committee                                                            
heard during testimony  that the "fly-by-nighters"  are still there.                                                            
There  is no  reason  for them  to jump  through  the  hoops to  get                                                            
bonded, so  they operate out  of the back  of a pickup truck  and it                                                            
still occurs.  Honest citizens  comply, but they aren't the problem.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  MACKIE  asked  if  people  are still  allowed  to  do  the                                                            
business.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TORKELSON  replied   that  they  don't  operate   legally,  but                                                            
enforcement  is expensive and  the last thing  they want is  a large                                                            
enforcement  bill.   The  14 legitimate  people  pay  their own  way                                                            
through fees the way the licensing program is set up.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY asked who was asking for this.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARCO  PIGNALBERI, aide  to Representative  Cowdery, added  that                                                            
two of  the exclusively  used  dealers requested  this legislation.                                                             
They don't need the bond  because they "sell as-is/where-is."  There                                                            
was a dispute  between the new and  used dealers.  The used  dealers                                                            
thought the new dealers  want numbers of members to reduce fees. The                                                            
Department  of Commerce said essentially  they don't think  there is                                                            
any good happening  from regulating  them at all.  The dealers  were                                                            
asked  to get together  and work  it out  but they  didn't.  So  the                                                            
House decided to proceed with deregulation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE asked if the Department is supporting the bill.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PIGNALBERI answered that they have taken a neutral position.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 139                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he wasn't real comfortable with  this.  He likes                                                            
removing   unnecessary  government   from   business,  but   totally                                                            
repealing  their  licensing  and  bonding   requirements  makes  him                                                            
apprehensive.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PIGNALBERI  said they fully expect industry to  come back with a                                                            
new  plan  for  regulation  that  satisfies   all  segments  of  the                                                            
industry, not just the new dealers.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY asked when this was introduced.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE answered it was introduced on March 31.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORKELSON  said  that new dealers  offer their  products  with a                                                            
warranty that  is a guarantee of the manufacturer  of the homes. The                                                            
used dealers sell things as-is/where-is.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KELLY commented  that  they would  be more  likely to  work                                                            
something out with this hanging over their heads.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY said he  likes the bill because there have never been                                                            
any problems in this area  and it is one thing they can do to lessen                                                            
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY  asked if he was saying there hadn't  been any problem                                                            
with anyone who had been bonded.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORKELSON said there had been no claims.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY said this  was a piece of deregulation that would come                                                            
back and haunt them.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY asked if there was licensing of used car dealers.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORKELSON said no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KELLY  said  he thought  you  proved  your  competence  and                                                            
success  by your  ability  to buy  a bigger  bond and  climb up  the                                                            
ladder of success.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 240                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN moved to  report HB 167 from committee with individual                                                            
recommendations.   There were no objections  and it was so  ordered.                                                            

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