Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

01/22/2024 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 115 NATUROPATHS: LICENSING; PRACTICE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 115(L&C) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
*+ HB 192 DELIVERY/PICK UP OF ALCOHOL; LICENSING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 143 ADVANCED RECYCLING AND FACILITIES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 143(RES) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+= HB 159 REGISTER INTERIOR DESIGNERS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 01/24/24>
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
            HB 143-ADVANCED RECYCLING AND FACILITIES                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:16:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SUMNER announced  the  first order  of  business would  be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 143,  "An  Act  relating  to the  Department  of                                                               
Environmental  Conservation; relating  to advanced  recycling and                                                               
advanced recycling  facilities; relating to waste;  and providing                                                               
for  an  effective  date."     [Before  the  committee  was  CSHB
143(RES).]                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:16:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TREVOR  JEPSEN, Staff,  Representative  Tom  McKay, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  on  behalf  of the  sponsor,  the  House  Resources                                                               
Standing  Committee,  on  which Representative  McKay  serves  as                                                               
chair,  presented a  refresher  PowerPoint  presentation on  CSHB
143(RES)  which  puts into  statute  a  regulatory framework  for                                                               
advanced recycling to come to Alaska.   He presented slides 2 and                                                               
3,  "What   is  'Advanced  Recycling?'"     He  defined  advanced                                                               
recycling as chemical recycling  which converts post-use plastics                                                               
that currently cannot be  recycled mechanically into hydrocarbon-                                                               
based  products.   Twenty-four other  states have  passed similar                                                               
legislation  to  HB  143, leading  to  regulatory  stability  and                                                               
billions of  dollars going into  the domestic  advanced recycling                                                               
industry.   This technology can  convert discarded  plastics into                                                               
valuable  products.    This  new industry  is  not  dependent  on                                                               
government  subsidies  and is  meant  to  complement not  replace                                                               
mechanical or traditional recycling.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSEN  moved  to  slides   4  and  5,  "Advanced  Recycling                                                               
Processes"  and  "Potential  Economic  Benefits,"  which  briefly                                                               
defined the manufacturing  components of gasification, pyrolysis,                                                               
and  solvolysis  and  also described  the  economic  benefits  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER stated  he felt  the numbers  on slide  5                                                               
might be overstating the amount of material produced in Alaska.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSEN described a weighing  factor to account for the amount                                                               
of  recycling that  Alaska does  compared  to other  states.   He                                                               
deferred to Craig Cookson.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:20:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG   COOKSON,   Senior  Director,   Plastics   Sustainability,                                                               
American Chemistry  Council, explained  that the numbers  are not                                                               
based on  manufacturing but  on waste  generation.   People still                                                               
drink milk  and eat  snack mix  as well  as using  toothpaste and                                                               
hand  cream.   In  addition,  things  are  shipped to  Alaska  in                                                               
plastic.    It's based  on  the  generation  of plastics  in  the                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:22:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS asked  whether this  bill was  helpful for                                                               
the  higher numbered  plastics  that are  not  being recycled  as                                                               
opposed to the "1s" and "2s" that are to be recycled.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSEN  agreed  that  the  1s and  2s  are  the  traditional                                                               
mechanical recycled  plastics and the 3s  to 7s can be  done with                                                               
advanced recycling.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:23:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COOKSON  verified  that the  advanced  recycling  technology                                                               
complements  current plastic  recycling.   Alaska  is similar  to                                                               
other states in recycling PET  bottles, but all over the country,                                                               
the  tubes, pouches,  and film  wraps are  not being  effectively                                                               
recycled.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:23:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS explained  that  in Anchorage  there is  a                                                               
single waste  stream where all  plastics are mixed together.   He                                                               
asked whether there  are states where there is  a meaningful rate                                                               
of recycling  for 3  through 7 plastics  and whether  it requires                                                               
pre-sorting by consumers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSEN pointed out that under  HB 143, plastic is not defined                                                               
as  solid  waste  because  there  is  a  sorting,  cleaning,  and                                                               
packaging process in route to the advanced recycling facility.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS   asked  Mr.  Cookson   for  clarification                                                               
regarding  possible changes  in air  and water  regulations.   He                                                               
requested  information  on  why  the chemistry  council  wants  a                                                               
different regulatory  structure from the one  covering mechanical                                                               
recycling.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:25:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COOKSON  responded that  current  waste  and recycling  laws                                                               
effectively regulate facilities that  either comingle or separate                                                               
plastics.    It's  a  different   regulation  for  what  advanced                                                               
recycling facility does because  they are actually small chemical                                                               
manufacturing plants.   They take  plastics that  are homogeneous                                                               
raw  materials, heat  them in  the absence  of oxygen  until they                                                               
melt  and then  heat them  until they  turn to  gas vapors.   The                                                               
vapors are  cooled and condensed  down until it becomes  a liquid                                                               
feed stock  that is kind of  an oil equivalent.   That feed stock                                                               
is used  in the production  of new plastics and  chemicals again.                                                               
To best  protect Alaska's  health and  environment, manufacturing                                                               
regulations  are the  best fit  because the  activities are  much                                                               
different from a solid waste facility.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:26:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE questioned  the  economic benefits  and                                                               
whether these were export products or for Alaska production.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COOKSON replied that this would be an export product.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:27:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSEN   concluded  his  presentation  by   explaining  that                                                               
advanced recycling is  a low greenhouse gas process  which can be                                                               
used to create petroleum-based  products from discarded plastics.                                                               
The technology greatly increases  the percentage of plastics that                                                               
can be recycled,  decreases landfill space taken  up by plastics,                                                               
and  provides economic  benefits  to Alaska.    The precursor  to                                                               
those benefits is passing CSHB 143(RES).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:27:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER  opened public  testimony on  CSHB 143(RES).   After                                                               
ascertaining there  was no one  who wished to testify,  he closed                                                               
public testimony.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:28:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE moved  to report  CSHB 143(RES)  out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection, CSHB  143(RES)  was                                                               
reported out of the House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Sponsor Statement HB192.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 192
HB 192 Sectional Analysis Version A.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 192
Letter from AELS April 2023.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
J Cederberg testimony OPPOSING HB159.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
C Fritz testimony opposing HB159 .pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB159 Letter in Support_ECI.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB159 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB159 Sectional Analysis Version A.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
AIA Alaska Position Paper on HB159 1.18.24.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
Ryan Morse HB 159 Opposition Letter.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB159 OPPOSE RSshimscheimer_.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB159 Letter in Support_ECI.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
Elke Gustafson Letter Opposition HB159.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
Letter to H LC RE HB159.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB 115 A.2.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 115
HB 143 Slides Refresher Presentation 01.22.24.pptx HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 143
Support Letter HB192 Walmart Statement.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 192
Public Testimony HB159 - Lucas Smith.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
Support Letter HB159 Michele Elfers.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
OPPOSING HB 159 .pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
AIA Alaska_OPPOSING HB 159.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
OPPOSING HB 159_RRearick_2024-01-24.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
AIA Alaska_OPPOSING HB 159.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB159 Summary of Changes Ver A to B.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB159 Sectional Analysis Version B. .pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
AIA Alaska Position Paper on HB159 1.18.24.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB192 Support Letter Instacart.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 192
Opposition to HB159 - Livingston Slone Studio .pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 159
HB192 Letter of Support - DoorDash.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 192
HB192 Version B.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 192
HB192.B Explanation of Changes.pdf HL&C 1/22/2024 3:15:00 PM
HB 192