Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

02/06/2024 10:00 AM House FINANCE

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HOUSE BILL NO. 126                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the Board of Professional                                                                              
     Counselors; and relating to licensing of associate                                                                         
     counselors."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:04:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STANLEY WRIGHT,  SPONSOR,  introduced HB  126                                                                   
and  appreciated  the  committee  for hearing  the  bill.  He                                                                   
explained  that every  year, the  University  of Alaska  (UA)                                                                   
behavioral  health  programs   graduated  a  high  number  of                                                                   
qualified and  knowledgeable students ready to  begin careers                                                                   
in the  behavioral health  field. The  current system  lacked                                                                   
the structure and  clarity necessary for individuals  to make                                                                   
a  smooth  transition  from post-graduate  student  to  fully                                                                   
licensed  professional  counselor.  The  obstacles  not  only                                                                   
delayed  the  entry  of  qualified   professionals  into  the                                                                   
workforce, but  also perpetuated a long-standing  waitlist of                                                                   
Alaskans  in  dire   need  of  mental  health   services.  By                                                                   
introducing the  role of Associate Counselor, the  bill would                                                                   
create  a  clear  and structured  pathway  for  graduates  to                                                                   
enter  the  field, receive  the  necessary  supervision,  and                                                                   
progress   towards  becoming   fully  licensed.  The   tiered                                                                   
approach  proposed in  the bill  would align  the state  with                                                                   
the  national  standards  and   would  demonstrate  that  the                                                                   
state's   professionals   were   well-trained  as   well   as                                                                   
ethically   bound   and   effective  in   the   practice   of                                                                   
counseling. He asked his staff to provide her comments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:06:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RACHAEL GUNN,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE STANLEY  WRIGHT, relayed                                                                   
that  the  legislation was  crafted  with  a dual  focus:  to                                                                   
enrich  the   full  licensure  of  post-graduate   counseling                                                                   
interns  who were already  serving Alaskans,  and to  elevate                                                                   
the support  system for  interns during  the training  phase.                                                                   
There was  currently limited  guidance and support  available                                                                   
to students  who had finished  their education  in behavioral                                                                   
health but had  not yet completed all necessary  requirements                                                                   
to become fully licensed professional counselors.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Gunn  relayed that HB  126 would introduce  the Associate                                                                   
Counselor program  which would be  developed by the  Board of                                                                   
Professional   Counselors  in   addition   to  criteria   for                                                                   
supervisor   certification.   By   establishing   clear   and                                                                   
streamlined   pathways  from   completion  of  the   graduate                                                                   
program in  the mental  health field  to full licensure,  the                                                                   
bill  would remove  unnecessary barriers  that often  delayed                                                                   
the  professional  development  of aspiring  counselors.  The                                                                   
bill would uphold  the training and supervision  requirements                                                                   
already  in   place  and   ensure  that  every   professional                                                                   
entering  the  field  was well-prepared  and  qualified.  The                                                                   
bill  would also  address access  to health  care, which  was                                                                   
one of  the most pressing  issues in  the health  care field.                                                                   
She added  that HB  126 would  bring the  state in  line with                                                                   
over 65 percent  of states that had already  adopted a tiered                                                                   
system  for licensure.  The alignment  would standardize  the                                                                   
approach  to  mental  health  care as  well  as  enforce  the                                                                   
state's commitment  to adopting best practices  that had been                                                                   
recognized and implemented across the country.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked whether the bill  defined the                                                                   
term  "Associate Counselor."  He asked  if it  was under  the                                                                   
board's purview to define the term.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Gunn  deferred  the question  to  an  invited  testifier                                                                   
representing the board.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:09:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL   BUDDIN-YOUNG,  MEMBER,   ALASKA   STATE  BOARD   FOR                                                                   
LICENSED   PROFESSIONAL   COUNSELORS,    EAGLE   RIVER   (via                                                                   
teleconference), asked for the question to be repeated.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson repeated his question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Buddin-Young responded that there would be pre-                                                                             
requisites  in   order  to  apply  to  become   an  associate                                                                   
counselor. The  definition would be  in regulation if  it was                                                                   
not  in statute  and  would  apply  to individuals  who  were                                                                   
considered "pre-independent licensed."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  noted  the  bill  called  for  the                                                                   
repealing  of  the  supervisory   certification  statute.  He                                                                   
asked what the reason was for the repeal.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Buddin-Young  responded  that currently,  there  was  no                                                                   
requirement for  continuing education or  reapplication after                                                                   
an  individual  received  a supervisory  license.  The  board                                                                   
would prefer the  license to be renewable instead  of a "one-                                                                   
and-done" license  in order  to be in  line with the  rest of                                                                   
the  nation. During  the preliminary  discussions around  the                                                                   
legislation,  a recommendation  was  made to  the board  that                                                                   
the requirement be moved to regulation  rather than statute.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  suggested that Ms. Buddin-Young  provide her                                                                   
invited testimony.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:11:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Buddin-Young   stated  that   the  bill  would   provide                                                                   
necessary  assistance  and  support  for  new  mental  health                                                                   
counselors.  Currently, post-graduate  counselors  were in  a                                                                   
"no man's  land" because  there was a  lack of structure  and                                                                   
support  following graduation.  All  of the  responsibilities                                                                   
fell  on the  supervisors  of the  new  counselors. The  bill                                                                   
would  provide  more  support to  the  supervisor,  including                                                                   
support from the  board and a more streamlined  process. As a                                                                   
result, individuals  would receive faster mental  health care                                                                   
because  intern counselors  would  have  more support  during                                                                   
the  process  of  becoming  licensed.  The  bill  would  also                                                                   
increase  quality of  care because  the  board would  provide                                                                   
more support and guidance to prospective counselors.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   asked  Ms.  Buddin-Young   what  the                                                                   
academic preparations  were for intern counselors.  She asked                                                                   
for   more  information   on   the  timeline   and   training                                                                   
requirements   before  an  individual   could  become   fully                                                                   
licensed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Buddin-Young  responded   that   the  requirement   for                                                                   
licensure  would  not  change.   The  requirements  for  full                                                                   
licensure  included obtaining  a master's  degree in  a field                                                                   
related  to  counseling,  passing  a  national  certification                                                                   
exam, and completing  3,000 hours of work experience  under a                                                                   
qualified  supervisor.  An  individual  could not  apply  for                                                                   
full licensure before  all of the requirements  were met. The                                                                   
associate license  proposed by  the bill would  provide post-                                                                   
graduate intern  counselors assistance and  governance during                                                                   
the  required  3,000  hours of  work  experience.  There  was                                                                   
presently  no support for  counselors in  training. The  bill                                                                   
would  add to  the current  requirements and  allow for  more                                                                   
structure and guidance.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked how  long it typically  took for                                                                   
an individual to accumulate the required 3,000 hours.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Buddin-Young replied  that  the minimum  amount of  time                                                                   
was two  years, which was a  standard time frame  to complete                                                                   
the  hours. Students  typically  took  between  two and  four                                                                   
years depending on availability.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked if  the  bill would  allow  the                                                                   
associate  counselors  to bill  services  through  insurance,                                                                   
Medicare,  and Medicaid,  or if  there  would be  a need  for                                                                   
separate legislation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Buddin-Young replied  that  insurance billing  practices                                                                   
were  different  from company  to  company. There  were  some                                                                   
insurance  companies that  would  allow associate  counselors                                                                   
to  bill   insurance.  Some   companies  required   that  the                                                                   
supervisor's  license  be included  in the  billing  process.                                                                   
Each  agency had  its own  rules and  regulations, but  there                                                                   
would be some  insurance companies that would  accept billing                                                                   
from counselors in training.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  for  clarification  that  some                                                                   
insurance companies  would not accept billing  from associate                                                                   
counselors.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Buddin-Young   responded   in  the   affirmative.   She                                                                   
reiterated that  some insurance agencies would  accept it and                                                                   
others would not.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:16:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked if there was  confidence that                                                                   
the  statute repealing  the  certification  would be  largely                                                                   
replaced.   For  example,   the  statute   required  that   a                                                                   
supervisor  would  have at  least  five years  of  counseling                                                                   
experience. He  asked for clarification  that there  would be                                                                   
similar  requirements   and  regulations   in  lieu   of  the                                                                   
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Buddin-Young responded  in  the affirmative.  She  added                                                                   
that the  board would likely  change the requirement  to five                                                                   
years  post-license experience.  Currently,  the time  period                                                                   
during  which  post-graduate   counselors  in  training  were                                                                   
acquiring  the 3,000  hours of  work  experience was  counted                                                                   
towards   the   five   years    of   counseling   experience.                                                                   
Nationally,  the five years  of experience  were required  to                                                                   
be  post-licensure   in   order  to  qualify   to  become   a                                                                   
supervisor.  The requirements  would  be  similar apart  from                                                                   
the  aforementioned  change  to   a  renewable  license.  She                                                                   
explained that the  requirements would be fine-tuned  but not                                                                   
changed in a significant way.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson   noted  that  the   bill  repealed                                                                   
language   that  would   allow  supervision   to  occur   via                                                                   
telephonic  or electronic  means if  an individual  was in  a                                                                   
remote location. He  asked why it would be  prudent to repeal                                                                   
the language.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Buddin-Young  replied that the board wanted  to encourage                                                                   
individuals to  engage supervisors through  electronic means;                                                                   
however, the  board wanted to  prevent situations in  which a                                                                   
supervisor  and trainee  would never  meet face-to-face.  The                                                                   
goal was to  implement safeguards to ensure  that individuals                                                                   
in   remote  locations   were  getting   the  best   possible                                                                   
supervisory experience.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:19:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster asked  the  sponsor if  he  had any  closing                                                                   
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wright  shared that coming back  from military                                                                   
service  was difficult,  and the  bill was  personal to  him.                                                                   
The bill  would help people  receive necessary  mental health                                                                   
care quickly.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  set  an  amendment  deadline  for  Tuesday,                                                                   
February 13, 2024, at 5:00 p.m.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HB  126  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in  committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:21:06 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:23:25 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 126 Additional Documents 4.28.23 Letter of Support from the Board of Professional Counselors 5.3.23.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 126
HB 126 Sectional Analysis ver S 5.3.23.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 126
HB 126 Sponsor Statement 5.3.23..pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 126
HB155 2021 Report from CED 04.20.2023.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB155 Updated Sectional Analysis.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB 155 Summary of Changes Updated.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB155 Sponsor Statement 04.12.23.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB155 AMAC-ACAST-JASC Comparision 04.20.2023.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB155 FEDC Letter of Support 04.25.2023.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB155 FNSB Mayor Letter of Support 04.25.2023.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB155 FY21 Defense Spending by State 04.20.2023.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB155 UA CED 2023 Report Economic Impact 04.20.2023.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB 155 CS WorkDraft FIN v.D 020524.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155
SB 22 ver A Presentation 2.6.2024 - Elvi.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
SB 22
HB 155 Summary of Changes for HFIN CS v.D 020424.pdf HFIN 2/6/2024 10:00:00 AM
HB 155