Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

03/05/2005 09:30 AM House STATE AFFAIRS


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
<Meeting continued from Thurs. 3/3/05>
+= HB 127 PFD:PEACE CORPS/DIPLOMAT/SANCTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 127(STA) Out of Committee
+= HB 121 SERVICE AREAS IN SECOND CLASS BOROUGHS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 121(CRA) Out of Committee
*+ HB 12 TVS AND MONITORS IN MOTOR VEHICLES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 114 TERM. PARENTAL RTS/CINA/DELINQUENCY CASES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
HB 121-SERVICE AREAS IN SECOND CLASS BOROUGHS                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:12:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  next order of business was HOUSE                                                               
BILL NO.  121, "An  Act relating  to consolidating  or abolishing                                                               
certain service areas in second class boroughs."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  announced  that  the  committee  substitute  (CS),                                                               
Version 24-LS0396\Y, was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  noted that  Dan  Bockhurst  had submitted  written                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:14:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RYNNIEVA  MOSS,  Chair,  Road Commission,  Fairbanks  North  Star                                                               
Borough, testified in  support of HB 121, and  commented that the                                                               
bill  would protect  road service  areas that  function properly.                                                               
She  referred  to the  testimony  of  Mr. Bockhurst  [on  3/1/05]                                                               
suggesting that  home rule  boroughs be included.   She  said she                                                               
doesn't have  any strong objections to  that suggestion; however,                                                               
she  would like  to  hear the  [Fairbanks  North Star]  Borough's                                                               
opinion on that  from Rene Broker.  Referring again  to the prior                                                               
testimony of  Mr. Bockhurst, she  said, "I feel like  his comment                                                               
was  almost  contradictory  when  he  said  that  he  wanted  the                                                               
legislature to include home rule  in this provision, because they                                                               
can, at any time, change how  they operate, just by charter.  So,                                                               
that is their local control and their way to make decisions."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:15:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said he didn't  want to take  action on                                                               
the bill  before he has  contacted the Municipality  of Anchorage                                                               
for its  input.   He asked if  anyone in the  room or  online had                                                               
made that contact already.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The committee  took an  at-ease from to  10:16:35 AM  to 10:16:45                                                             
AM.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MOSS explained,  "This  is for  second  class boroughs,  and                                                               
Anchorage is a unified municipality."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:17:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RENE BROKER,  Attorney at Law,  Fairbanks North Star  Borough, in                                                               
response to  a request  from Chair Seaton,  said she  thinks that                                                               
Mr.   Bockhurst   "missed   the   point,"   because   home   rule                                                               
municipalities  have a  lot of  other powers  and abilities  - to                                                               
address  the issues  caused  by road  service  areas that  aren't                                                               
functioning properly  - that second  class boroughs do  not have.                                                               
The bill,  she said,  is not  an effort  to somehow  vault second                                                               
class boroughs ahead of home  rule boroughs; it's just an attempt                                                               
to  give  the second  class  boroughs  an  ability to  deal  with                                                               
problems they have that home rule boroughs do not have.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:18:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG   stated    his   understanding   that                                                               
Anchorage, and  other home  rule boroughs "could  do this  now if                                                               
they wished."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:19:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS answered that's correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:19:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  if  the  Department of  Commerce                                                               
would like to correct Mr. Bockhurst's testimony.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:20:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BLACK, Community Development  Section Chief, Central Office,                                                               
Division   of  Community   Advocacy,   Department  of   Commerce,                                                               
Community,  & Economic  Development,  said he  would  need to  do                                                               
further  research  before  he  would  say  the  department  would                                                               
correct Mr. Bockhurst's testimony at this point.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:21:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  told Mr.  Black  that  he thinks  it's                                                               
important  that   "no  department  have  ...   legally  incorrect                                                               
testimony on  a record on  a piece of  legislation."  He  said he                                                               
thinks Mr. Bockhurst  is incorrect and he hates to  see a legally                                                               
incorrect statement.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:22:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  directed attention to  the first page  of a                                                               
two-page handout [in the committee  packet] that is a table which                                                               
shows the  "powers and duties  of organized boroughs."   He noted                                                               
that,  [in decisions  relating to]  roads and  trails, the  table                                                               
shows   that  unified   municipality   and   home  rule   borough                                                               
determinations  may be  exercised by  ordinance on  a nonareawide                                                               
basis and  may be exercised  on a  service area basis  with voter                                                               
approval.  Representative  Gatto said, "It just seems  to me they                                                               
can already  do what we're  asking them to be  able to do  in the                                                               
bill."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:23:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON explained the problem  is once the road service area                                                               
is established by voter approval in  an area, there is not really                                                               
a mechanism  to "dissolve that by  the borough."  The  bill would                                                               
provide that mechanism.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:24:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAMRAS reminded  the committee  that [HB  121] is                                                               
critical for  Fairbanks, because some  of the road  service areas                                                               
have slipped into disservice, which puts people at risk.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:25:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON, following  up on  Representative Gatto's  previous                                                               
comment, clarified  that the "voter  approval" means the  vote of                                                               
the road service area board members, not the general public.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  said he  does not have  a problem  with the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:26:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER, via teleconference,  said she is ready to                                                               
"move the question" and would vote if she could.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:26:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS moved to report  CSHB 121(CRA), Version 24-                                                               
LS0396\Y, out  of committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
the accompanying  fiscal notes.   There being no  objection, CSHB
121(CRA) was  reported out  of the  House State  Affairs Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:28:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                

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