Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

03/31/2023 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 92 FISHERMEN'S FUND: VESSEL OWNER CLAIMS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Marijuana Control Board - Ely Cyrus;
Alaska Labor Relations Agency - Dennis DeWitt;
<Above Appointee Removed from Agenda>
Alaska Labor Relations Agency-Jennifer McConnell;
Real Estate Commission - Cheryl Markwood
-- Public Testimony <2 Minute Time Limit> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 119 MARIJUANA TAX TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 17 CONTRACEPTIVES COVERAGE:INSURE;MED ASSIST TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 17(HSS) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+= HB 93 LUMBER GRADING PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 93 Out of Committee
                      HB 119-MARIJUANA TAX                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Contains discussion of HB 117]                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:26:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  119, "An  Act relating  to marijuana  taxes; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:27:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HEATH HILYARD,  Staff, Representative Cathy Tilton,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  introduced HB  119 on  behalf of  the sponsor,  the                                                               
House Rules Standing  Committee by request.   He provided context                                                               
on how  the proposed legislation came  to be.  He  referenced the                                                               
recommendations in  the report from the  Governor's Advisory Task                                                               
Force on Recreational Marijuana.   He explained that originally a                                                               
single bill would have had  all the task force's recommendations;                                                               
however,  the drafting  of this  was too  long, and  two separate                                                               
bills  were  drafted,  HB  119  and HB  117.    He  informed  the                                                               
committee that everything  in HB 119 is also in  HB 117; however,                                                               
HB 117  is going through a  substantial rewrite.  He  stated that                                                               
the tax  portion has been extracted  from HB 117 and  put into HB
119.   He stated  that the  task force  has provided  feedback on                                                               
some of  the sections in the  proposed bill which may  need to be                                                               
amended.   He expressed  the understanding that  one of  the main                                                               
reasons  for the  taxation provision  in  the bill  is the  legal                                                               
marijuana   recreation   industry   is   attempting   to   remain                                                               
competitive with the black market.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:29:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD  paraphrased the sectional  analysis on HB  119 [copy                                                               
included  in   the  committee  packet]  which   read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1: This section reduces  the excise tax that is                                                                  
     imposed,  by the  state,  on the  sale  or transfer  of                                                                    
     marijuana  from a  cultivation  facility  from $50  per                                                                    
     ounce to  $12.50 per  ounce. This  is repealed  July 1,                                                                    
     2028 (see  Section 8)  to be replaced  with a  3% sales                                                                    
     tax at the retail level (see Section 4).                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2:  The  department may  exempt  part  of  the                                                                  
     certain  parts of  a marijuana  plant from  taxation or                                                                    
     establish a rate  lower than $12.50 per  ounce. This is                                                                    
     already done for  parts of the plant.  This is repealed                                                                    
     July 1, 2028  (see Section 8) to be replaced  with a 3%                                                                    
     sales tax at the retail level (see Section 4).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3:  This section directs all  the marijuana tax                                                                  
     revenue to the Marijuana  Education and Treatment Fund.                                                                    
     Interest  earned on  this fund  will be  deposited into                                                                    
     the  General  Fund.  The  fund   does  not  lapse.  The                                                                    
     legislature   may  appropriate   33%   of  the   annual                                                                    
     estimated  tax collected  to the  Department of  Health                                                                    
     for   the   program,   the  Department   of   Commerce,                                                                    
     Community, and Economic Development,  or to the general                                                                    
     fund.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4:  A sales tax  of 3% is imposed  on marijuana                                                                  
     and  marijuana  products  sold from  a  retailer  to  a                                                                    
     consumer. Effective July 1, 2028See Section 10.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5:  Monthly   Statements  and  payments.  Each                                                                  
     retail  marijuana store  will send  a statement  to the                                                                    
     department on or before the  last day of each month. It                                                                    
     must  include the  total amount  of  marijuana sold  to                                                                    
     consumers and  the total value  of the  marijuana sold.                                                                    
     Tax  payments from  retail stores  cover the  preceding                                                                    
     month. Effective July 1, 2028See Section 10.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6:  Upon the effective  date (July 1,  2028) of                                                                  
     Sections   4,   5,   and  6   this   section   replaces                                                                    
     "cultivation  facility" with  "retail marijuana  store"                                                                    
     for the  purpose of  administration and  enforcement of                                                                    
     tax.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7:  The Recidivism Reduction Fund  is repealed.                                                                  
     Currently 50%  of Marijuana tax revenue  is directed to                                                                    
     this fund to be used  by the Department of Corrections,                                                                    
     the Department  of Health, or the  Department of Public                                                                    
     Safety   for  recidivism   reduction  programs.   Under                                                                    
     Section 3  of this act  tax revenue is directed  to the                                                                    
     Marijuana Treatment and Education fund.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8: Repeals the excise  tax (Sections 1 and 2 of                                                                  
     this act)  levied on the cultivator,  effective July 1,                                                                    
     2028. It is replaced with a  3% sales tax levied on the                                                                    
     retailer as per Section 4, effective the same date.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section  9:  Applicability:  the new  excise  tax  rate                                                                  
     (Sections 1  and 2) is  applied to taxes accrued  on or                                                                    
     after  the effective  date.   Section 10:  Sections 4-6                                                                    
     are effective July 1, 2028.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:33:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON  EMMETT,  Co-Chair,  Governor's Advisory  Task  Force  on                                                               
Recreational Marijuana,  made himself available for  questions on                                                               
HB 119.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:33:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  stated  that  he  had  voted  in  favor  of                                                               
decriminalizing  marijuana  because  of  the black  market.    He                                                               
questioned how  the proposed legislation  would affect  the black                                                               
market for  marijuana.  He  expressed the understanding  that the                                                               
current high tax encourages the black market.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD concurred,  and he added that the task  force did not                                                               
have  access to  sophisticated  modeling from  the Department  of                                                               
Revenue  for its  work; however,  he expressed  the understanding                                                               
that the access to modeling has changed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT added  that there is no hard data  which shows how the                                                               
industry is controlled by the black  market.  He offered that all                                                               
the  evidence, such  as information  from consumers,  cultivators                                                               
and retailers,  points to the  black market having 45  percent of                                                               
the  marijuana industry.    He  stated that  the  task force  has                                                               
requested the  excise tax be  reduced because this  is preventing                                                               
the  sale  price  of  marijuana from  competing  with  the  black                                                               
market.     From   speaking  to   customers,  he   expressed  the                                                               
understanding that  untaxed and untested marijuana  can be bought                                                               
for about half  of the price.  He expressed  the opinion that the                                                               
threat  to the  industry by  the black  market is  real, and  the                                                               
proposed  legislation   would  help  the  legitimate   market  be                                                               
competitive.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:36:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK  pointed out  that Section 3  would change                                                               
the funding  going to the  Department of Health (DOH),  which has                                                               
been  designated for  [marijuana] education  and treatment.   She                                                               
expressed the understanding  that this funding would  be put into                                                               
two additional  sources: the  Department of  Commerce, Community,                                                               
and Economic Development (DCCED), to  help grow the industry, and                                                               
the general fund.  She questioned these fund designations.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD  stated that this  recommendation came  directly from                                                               
the task force.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK  questioned  the merit  in  limiting  the                                                               
funds to DOH  and DCCED by splintering the  appropriations to the                                                               
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD deferred to Mr. Emmett.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT responded  that when the task force  analyzed the ways                                                               
the funds were  being allocated, it was felt that  funding may be                                                               
better  spent with  a greater  allocation to  help the  market as                                                               
opposed  to the  recidivism-reduction fund.   He  added that  the                                                               
task force  did not have  the information that is  now available.                                                               
He  stated that  now the  task force  is amicable  to this  being                                                               
unchanged.  He expressed support  for the increase of funds going                                                               
to DOH; however, "that's not  something we're necessarily hanging                                                               
our hat on either."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:39:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    PRAX    expressed    the   concern    of    the                                                               
constitutionality of dedicating a tax to any specific thing.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER responded  that this would be  "intent" language, as                                                               
revenue streams cannot be designated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.   EMMETT   expressed   the  opinion   that   the   power   of                                                               
appropriations is  on the  legislature, and  the task  force does                                                               
not have a strong opinion in the matter.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE  observed  that the  reduction  in  the                                                               
excise tax would be significant.   He expressed the understanding                                                               
that if  a sales  tax is being  imposed, this would  be new.   He                                                               
questioned the purpose  of taxing at "every  step" and questioned                                                               
the purpose of the excise tax.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT answered  that a stepwise system for  altering the tax                                                               
structure would  be the  most appropriate because  it would  be a                                                               
gradual change  from an excise tax  to a retail tax.   Because of                                                               
the  nature  of  business  as  a revenue  stream,  he  said,  the                                                               
retailers  are best  suited to  collect tax.   He  explained that                                                               
this is because the municipalities  already require retail tax on                                                               
marijuana.  He continued that  there would be a transition period                                                               
between the  flat excise tax  and the  retail tax, so  the excise                                                               
tax would no longer exist in the future.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD,  in response  to a  follow-up question,  stated that                                                               
the intention  is that Section 8  would repeal the excise  tax by                                                               
2028.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:43:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced that HB 119 was held over.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
3.1.23 Cheryl Markwood Real Estate Resume.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
3.1.23 Jennifer Mcconnel Labor Relations.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
3.1.23 Ely Cyrus MCB.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 92 - Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 92
HB 92 - v.B.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 92
HB 92 - Fishermen's Fund Presentation.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 92
HB 92 - Fishermens Fund Resoultion 22-01.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 92
HB 92 - Fisherman's Fund Report of Vessel-Site Insurance Form.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 92
HB 119 Sectional Analysis.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 119
HB 119 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 119
HB0092 Fiscal Note.PDF HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 92
Phleps_HB119_HLAC_042323.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 119
Peace Frog Botanicals Support for HB119.pdf HL&C 3/31/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 119