Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/23/1999 01:40 PM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 100                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
"An Act making and amending capital, supplemental, and                                                                          
other appropriations, and appropriations to capitalize                                                                          
funds; ratifying certain expenditures; and providing                                                                            
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault passed the gavel to Co-Chair Mulder.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE MCCONNELL, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND                                                                           
BUDGET, advised that the Governor's Office has worked                                                                           
diligently to bring the supplemental request down.  As                                                                          
indicated by the spreadsheet, by addressing only the                                                                            
disasters, it still was not small enough to fit within last                                                                     
year's cap of $3.5 million dollars.  She emphasized that                                                                        
there has been progress during the last six years, to bring                                                                     
the Supplemental Budget under control.  However, with                                                                           
unusual circumstances and unanticipated expenditures, the                                                                       
amount held might not be sufficient.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder requested that updated information be                                                                           
provided to the Chairman's office and to the appropriate                                                                        
Subcommittee Chair offices.  Ms. McConnell agreed to do so.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell addressed the "belt-tightening" measures being                                                                    
attempted by each department.  She noted that the Governor                                                                      
had placed restrictions on departments in three areas:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
? Hiring,                                                                                                                       
? Travel, and                                                                                                                   
? Purchasing, in the area of contractual services                                                                               
and supplies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In order for the departments to meet those numbers, each                                                                        
amount was itemized in the bill.  The Governor is serious                                                                       
that the departments not exceed the lower amount proposed in                                                                    
the budget.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell pointed out that the supplemental was                                                                             
separated into categories of disasters, judgements and the                                                                      
Cleary related issues.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder inquired if the total increase proposed in                                                                      
the supplemental budget was $28 million dollars, offset by                                                                      
the $16.5 million dollars already provided for in the                                                                           
current year, and additionally, offset by $6.2 million                                                                          
dollar "belt tightening", with a net increment of $5.2                                                                          
million.  Ms. McConnell stated that was correct, although,                                                                      
indicating that the Cleary amount would change that number.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the Administration had                                                                             
requested that the departments link reductions to off set                                                                       
the increases which they were not able to get around.  Ms.                                                                      
McConnell replied that the departments were instructed to                                                                       
absorb everything possible within the program.  If the                                                                          
department was not capable of doing this internally, they                                                                       
were requested to look at other areas within the department                                                                     
where a delete could offset the proposed increase.                                                                              
Additionally, each department was instructed to " tighten"                                                                      
their belt.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked how the savings was determined.  Ms.                                                                      
McConnell replied that the above mentioned three items were                                                                     
initially targeted.  Following that, the Administration                                                                         
removed from the calculations all those areas which could                                                                       
not responsibly cutback such as 24-hour institutions and                                                                        
trooper detachments.  Travel was then heavily targeted.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DISASTERS                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS - #1                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell stated that the change is a request for a                                                                         
lapse date extension from 1999 to 2001.  This change would                                                                      
recognize that federal funds received earlier were to be                                                                        
used to complete many projects.  However, she pointed out                                                                       
that some of the projects were not finished during the                                                                          
designated allocation period.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if those were appropriations in which                                                                     
the local community was required to make a match in order to                                                                    
receive the grant.  Ms. McConnell replied that would be a                                                                       
portion of the responsibility.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS - #2                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
? Southeast Rain/Wind Disaster                                                                                                  
? Endicott Mountain Flood                                                                                                       
? Western AK Fisheries Disaster                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell spoke to the Western AK. Fisheries disaster.                                                                      
She provided members with a handout addressing the concern.                                                                     
[Copy on File].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell pointed out that this had been the second year                                                                    
in a row with disastrous fish runs in Western Alaska.  It                                                                       
has been suggested that El Nino created a condition of ocean                                                                    
warming, which created a situation so harsh that fewer                                                                          
numbers of fish spawned.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The Office of the Governor began working with the federal                                                                       
government in order to educate them regarding the severity                                                                      
of the loss, comparing it to one of a crop failure from a                                                                       
drought.  She emphasized that Alaska's "major crop" of fish                                                                     
was being affected.  Following much discussion, the federal                                                                     
government understood Alaska's predicament and began the                                                                        
process of declaring a state disaster. The process begins                                                                       
with a Declaration of Disaster, at which time, the                                                                              
Administration assessed that $12 million dollars would be                                                                       
needed to respond to that disaster.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The situation was addressed in several ways.  The first was                                                                     
to work with the fishermen to restructure their loans. The                                                                      
program of individual and family grant assistance was                                                                           
started.  A different approach was used, which established a                                                                    
limit of $1500 dollars per eligible person.  In order to be                                                                     
eligible, a person would need to be directly connected to                                                                       
the fisheries as a permit holder, a crew license holder or a                                                                    
process worker.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell pointed out that the Administration chose not                                                                     
to be involved in the secondary effects.  She emphasized how                                                                    
stringent the criteria requirement was.  The fish runs had                                                                      
to be 50% less than the 10-year average.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell reiterated that the assistance consisted of                                                                       
$1500 dollars per individual who met the criteria (or a                                                                         
$5000 dollar cap per family).  No cash was provided, but                                                                        
rather a vendor payment system was established to insure                                                                        
that the assistance went to basic essential living expenses                                                                     
such as food, home heating fuel, electric, power and water                                                                      
sewer services.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell continued, the State began working with the                                                                       
federal government and ultimately secured $50 million                                                                           
dollars to be spread throughout the entire disaster area for                                                                    
several categories of activities.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell noted that the original $12 million dollars                                                                       
broke down into the following categories:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
? $9 million dollars for family and grant                                                                                       
assistance;                                                                                                                     
? Funding for delivery of fish to three communities                                                                             
which receive no commercial salmon and/or                                                                                       
subsistence food.                                                                                                               
? $40 thousand dollars for transporting emergency                                                                               
food aid from the federal government and                                                                                        
distributed through food banks;                                                                                                 
? $400 thousand dollars was set aside to address                                                                                
special social services such as crisis counseling.                                                                              
? Additionally, $1.5 million dollars was set aside                                                                              
to match the $7 million dollar Magnuson-Stevens                                                                                 
money in the prior year.                                                                                                        
? Lastly, there were administrative expenses for                                                                                
distributing the monies.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell noted that the federal government has                                                                             
reimbursed the State $2.4 million dollars of the original                                                                       
$12 million dollars.  She emphasized that if the State had                                                                      
not responded to this disaster, we would face other types of                                                                    
disaster expenditures such as emergency food supplies to be                                                                     
flown out during the winter or emergency fuel supplies flown                                                                    
out.  She stressed that this was not only an economic                                                                           
disaster, but also a natural disaster.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder questioned the emergency living expenses of                                                                     
$8.1 million dollars.  He noted that equated roughly to                                                                         
$1500 per individual.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CAROL CARROLL, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                             
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS,                                                                          
replied that the $8.1 million dollars represented 6100                                                                          
grants received and approved.  Ms. McConnell clarified that                                                                     
5500 applications were received some of which were                                                                              
applicable to entire families.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In response to Co-Chair Mulder, Ms. Carroll commented that                                                                      
funds had been paid directly to the vendors, not to the                                                                         
individuals.  Co-Chair Mulder understood that some vendors                                                                      
still have outstanding bills.  Ms. Carroll noted that she                                                                       
had not received a lot of complaints from vendors not                                                                           
receiving their funds, although, there were instances that                                                                      
vendor's funds had to be corrected.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if individuals had the authority to                                                                       
determine which vendors they wanted to use.  Ms. Carroll                                                                        
explained that had been negotiated with each applicant.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
In response to Representative Bunde's inquiry regarding the                                                                     
ten-year average determination, Ms. McConnell explained that                                                                    
the requirement was that the fish run be no more than 50% of                                                                    
a ten-year average.  If a community was in an area with less                                                                    
than 50% of runs and other employment opportunities existed,                                                                    
that community would not be included in the disaster area.                                                                      
In most of these areas, if the population is not able to get                                                                    
money from commercial fishing, there is usually no other                                                                        
income options.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde questioned the State's minimum match                                                                       
requirement in order to receive Magnuson-Stevens $7 million                                                                     
dollars.  Ms. McConnell replied it would cost Alaska $1.5                                                                       
million dollars and that the nature of the assistance was                                                                       
directed by the federal government.  The applications were                                                                      
completed for State aid the end of October, 1998.  Current                                                                      
applications are for federal assistance ($18 million                                                                            
dollars) available for individual and family assistance.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde asked about the chum salmon which had                                                                      
been flown into the Upper Yukon.  Ms. McConnell corrected,                                                                      
noting that chums were flown into the villages of Hooper                                                                        
Bay, Scaman Bay and Chugiak and had been used for village                                                                       
food and that the fish flown into Upper Yukon had not been                                                                      
done with State funds.  That project was entirely a                                                                             
volunteer operation and those salmon were used for sled dog                                                                     
food.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if there was $18 million dollars                                                                      
still available in the federal program.  Ms. McConnell                                                                          
replied that the State received two Magnuson-Stevens                                                                            
allocations.  There was $7 million dollars under                                                                                
consideration in May, 1998, in which the Legislature did                                                                        
appropriate $125 thousand dollars to match the loan money.                                                                      
Additionally, $1.5 million dollars of that disaster money                                                                       
would be used to secure the rest of the money from the first                                                                    
federal declaration.  Subsequently, the State received $50                                                                      
million dollars from the federal budget just currently                                                                          
passed.  $18 million dollars of that is to be used for                                                                          
family grant assistance. A portion of that money will be                                                                        
used to reimburse the State for the $4 million dollars                                                                          
spent.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change HFC 99 - 28, Side 1).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell emphasized that the State has been warned that                                                                    
it will be impossible to receive federal aid unless Alaska                                                                      
makes a contribution.  Senator Stevens has stressed this                                                                        
need.  Co-Chair Therriault asked what the requirement was to                                                                    
receive funds from the Magnuson-Stevens Act.  Ms. McConnell                                                                     
offered to research that information.  Co-Chair Therriault                                                                      
asked if the State had overspent or overmatched.  Ms.                                                                           
McConnell believed the State had not overspent.  The $1.5                                                                       
million dollars was a match requirement for receiving the                                                                       
first $7 million a year ago.  She did not know if the feds                                                                      
used a formula to make that determination or if it was a                                                                        
case by case scenario.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked why to date only a small portion                                                                      
of the monies had been expended.  Ms. McConnell noted that                                                                      
given the timing of when the funds were available, most of                                                                      
the projects could not be undertaken during the last                                                                            
construction season because of the weather and have been                                                                        
postponed until the current construction season.  That                                                                          
resulted from last year's funding and requires a non-federal                                                                    
contribution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault referenced the Millers Reach fire where                                                                     
the average payment per household was $13 thousand dollars.                                                                     
He inquired what that funding was specifically allocated                                                                        
for.  Ms. Carroll replied that funding was designated for                                                                       
anything lost except the house itself, such as clothing,                                                                        
food, tools, etc.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman noted that he was having difficulty                                                                    
following the total disaster dollars being discussed.  Ms.                                                                      
McConnell explained that $7 million was the total received                                                                      
from last year's federal aid.  The Legislature did not                                                                          
approve general funds for that.  The Administration had                                                                         
requested $1.5 million dollars as the general fund match to                                                                     
receive the $7 million dollars.  The Legislature did approve                                                                    
a small portion of that request for loans, but not the                                                                          
entire match.  The expectation was that local communities                                                                       
could come up with the remainder.  Ultimately, that was                                                                         
impossible.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked if the $50 million dollars                                                                       
was the total for this year and last year.  Ms. McConnell                                                                       
stated that it did not include the $7 million from last                                                                         
year.  A portion of that $50 million dollars was how the                                                                        
State was able to reduce the original $12 million disaster                                                                      
amount to $9.6 million dollars.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked if there was a breakdown of                                                                      
how the $50 million dollars would be handled.  Ms. McConnell                                                                    
replied that there was in the material previously submitted                                                                     
to the Legislative Budget and Audit Committee (LBA).  She                                                                       
offered to provide that information to House Finance                                                                            
Committee members.  Ms. McConnell reiterated that the State                                                                     
would not have been able to secure the $50 million for                                                                          
assistance if State money had not been contributed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman questioned how the Federal                                                                             
Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) had become involved.  Ms.                                                                    
McConnell stated that they were involved in the organization                                                                    
of the program.  FEMA was designated by the White House to                                                                      
be the agency to bring together all the other federal                                                                           
agencies in order that the $50 million dollars is managed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked for a breakdown of "other                                                                        
monies".  Ms. McConnell noted:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
? $10 million dollars of low income Home Energy                                                                                 
Assistance money; and                                                                                                           
? $400 thousand dollars in the Department of                                                                                    
Agriculture for emergency food aid.  These monies                                                                               
are tied to the fishery disaster.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked the length of time that the                                                                      
Administration would extend the disaster concept.  Ms.                                                                          
McConnell replied that the Administration has not yet                                                                           
formulated a recommendation on how to address that concern.                                                                     
She acknowledged that how to assess a situation in which a                                                                      
disaster occurs over many months or years is an issue that                                                                      
does need to be discussed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder advised that he had directed each of the                                                                        
subcommittee chairs to address their piece of that puzzle.                                                                      
He noted that Representative Bunde would take the lead and                                                                      
be the person to review the Western fisheries disaster.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Williams asked how much of the $50 million                                                                       
dollars had been obligated.  Ms. McConnell stated that a                                                                        
substantial part of that money would not come through the                                                                       
State; it will be going directly through the Federal                                                                            
Economic Development Administration to projects in various                                                                      
communities.  That agency is currently in the process of                                                                        
evaluating which projects to fund.  After the State receives                                                                    
the federal reimbursement, we will have expended $9.6                                                                           
million dollars.  The State will be reimbursed for $2.4                                                                         
million dollars of State funds, which are anticipated soon.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf pointed out that the fisheries                                                                       
disaster has caused people to loose their livelihood.                                                                           
Representative Bunde questioned when does a natural disaster                                                                    
become an economic disaster, and how long will it be                                                                            
supported if it becomes a continuing natural trend.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis agreed that at this time, the State                                                                     
is looking at funding commercial fishing.  He questioned how                                                                    
that would be handled in a long-term commercial disaster.                                                                       
Representative Grussendorf pointed out that in the past, the                                                                    
State has subsidized oil companies to allow them to continue                                                                    
to conduct business.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder questioned how much money would be required                                                                     
from the State to secure the federal money.  Ms. McConnell                                                                      
replied that the State disaster was declared with $12                                                                           
million dollars.  Portions of those funds were reimbursed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if the Legislature were to deny the                                                                       
$1.5 million dollar match of last year, would that endanger                                                                     
the $50 million dollars.  Ms. McConnell commented that she                                                                      
did not know if that would endanger the $50 million dollars,                                                                    
but, it would definitely mean that the State would not                                                                          
receive the $7 million dollars.  She also added, the issue                                                                      
is not whether the communities are willing to make the                                                                          
match, the issue is whether they have the money to do it.                                                                       
The effect of not having a fish run has strongly affected                                                                       
the local treasuries.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
In response to Representative Austerman, Ms. McConnell                                                                          
acknowledged that this situation is very different from an                                                                      
economic disaster, beginning with the fact that we do not                                                                       
have fish.   These are the differences between a loss of                                                                        
price and loss of market.  The result is an economic                                                                            
disaster.  Representative Austerman noted his surprise that                                                                     
the situation had been tied to the El Nino condition.                                                                           
Representative Bunde requested a list of communities                                                                            
involved in the subsidies.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the communities where the fish                                                                     
had been transported to, had been given the option to                                                                           
purchase food in the local stores.  He believed that could                                                                      
generate local sales tax which would be more helpful to the                                                                     
local treasury.  Ms. McConnell stressed that these people                                                                       
had no commercial income and they were in need of a basic                                                                       
food supply.  She noted that she was surprised that the                                                                         
request for fish was lower than anticipated and that the                                                                        
families took only the minimum that they needed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked the combined population of the                                                                            
affected villages.  Representative Foster responded that it                                                                     
was approximately 2500 residents.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change HFC 99 - 28,  Side 2).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster added that the village stores do not                                                                      
keep a large surplus of food supplies.  Ms. McConnell noted                                                                     
that the Red Cross had undertaken emergency food deliveries.                                                                    
She added that under the circumstances, the project was cost                                                                    
effective.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell pointed out that in past years, there was a                                                                       
budget for disaster funding with annual appropriations.                                                                         
That no longer exists.  Representative Foster echoed the                                                                        
concern, pointing out that in previous years, budget cut                                                                        
backs have come from the disaster fund, knowing that a                                                                          
supplemental would cover those expenditures.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICO BUS, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                        
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS AND DEPARTMENT                                                                      
OF NATURAL RESOURCES, addressed the other two disasters                                                                         
listed in Section #2.  Last year in October, there was a                                                                        
major rainstorm in Southeast Alaska with over six inches of                                                                     
rain in a 24-hour period.  The Governor declared a State                                                                        
disaster in the Borough of Haines and the City and Borough                                                                      
of Juneau.  The request for $2.7 million dollars was to be                                                                      
used for road washout.  The nature of the expenditure was                                                                       
for emergency repairs for the roads and highway.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Williams asked how much had been used for the                                                                    
Fritz Cove portion of the storm repair.  Mr. Bus replied                                                                        
that the amount of money approved to the Department of                                                                          
Transportation and Public Facilities was $1.3 million                                                                           
dollars, to be used for various road projects.  The                                                                             
Department is working with the Federal Highway                                                                                  
Administration (FHA) to get supplemental funding.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the Department of                                                                                  
Transportation and Public Facilities repaired the roads                                                                         
rather than the local municipalities doing that work.  Mr.                                                                      
Bus pointed out that it was a natural disaster and qualified                                                                    
under the State's criteria for emergency relief.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, added                                                                       
that FHA has specific guidelines on what they cover under an                                                                    
emergency response.  They consider anything out of the                                                                          
normal operation of maintaining a road or building a road,                                                                      
caused by heavy maintenance, to be considered normal.                                                                           
Anything that is "extra-ordinary" or causes serious damage,                                                                     
they provide guidelines for assistance.  Those guidelines                                                                       
are what the Department responded to for specific repair                                                                        
work caused by the disaster.  FHA will not cover less than a                                                                    
$500 thousand dollar aggregate amount.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked if the costs had not been                                                                        
associated with a "disaster", would they be coming through                                                                      
the Legislature as a supplemental request.  Ms. Slagle                                                                          
replied that they would, but that a disaster situation helps                                                                    
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities go to the                                                                    
federal government to try to receive assistance.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if Fritz Cove road was a State or                                                                         
local road.  Mr. Bus replied that it was a State road and                                                                       
the responsibility of Department of Transportation and                                                                          
Public Facilities.  Representative Moses noted that most                                                                        
roads in the municipalities are state roads.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES - #3                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Nico Bus stated that the fire suppression disaster request                                                                      
was in the amount of $7 million dollars.  Co-Chair                                                                              
Therriault advised that Department of Natural Resources had                                                                     
delivered two memo's indicating itemized information on fire                                                                    
suppression.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus stated that the $7 million dollars would cover                                                                          
expenditures to date for the period July 1st through                                                                            
December 31st and the fixed costs of the Department for this                                                                    
upcoming summer's activity.  It does not include the price                                                                      
of suppressed fires in May and June.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked the total fire expenditure for                                                                        
last year.  Mr. Bus listed the three most expensive fires:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
? Carter Lake fire which started in FY98 and went                                                                               
into FY99, expanded from a military base;                                                                                       
? Tok fires which amounted to about $500 thousand                                                                               
dollar to a $1 million dollar expenditure;                                                                                      
? Several Skagway fires which cost the State a                                                                                  
substantial amount of money.                                                                                                    
? He added that there were over 523 incidents of                                                                                
fires costing less than $50 thousand dollars each.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder questioned when a fire starts on federal                                                                        
land, who is responsible for putting it out.  Mr. Bus                                                                           
explained in the State of Alaska, the way in which fires are                                                                    
fought is that the State is divided in half.  The upper half                                                                    
of the State, fires are fought by Bureau of Land Management                                                                     
(BLM) and in the bottom portion, where most communities and                                                                     
people live, are fought by the State.  When a fire starts,                                                                      
the resources are pooled between the two agencies.                                                                              
Ultimately, the party that pays is the landowner.  He                                                                           
acknowledged that this is a complex system.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked what the "fixed" costs were.                                                                     
Mr. Bus explained that like a fire hall, manpower and                                                                           
equipment must be ready.  In wildlife fires, this is                                                                            
addressed with contracts with various aviation vendors.  The                                                                    
State must contract with vendors in January to guarantee                                                                        
that they will be available during summer fire activity.                                                                        
The fixed costs pay for those contracting fees.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked why those costs are not                                                                          
included in the Department of Natural Resources operating                                                                       
budget.  Co-Chair Therriault commented that the fire season                                                                     
crosses fiscal years, consequently, it was shifted to the                                                                       
supplemental budget.  Mr. Bus added, the Department of                                                                          
Natural Resources has basically two operations.  One is the                                                                     
regular maintenance operation including mining and forestry                                                                     
type concerns; fire suppression is more of an emergency                                                                         
response which is kept separate.  He noted that portion of                                                                      
the budget is a big expense.  It is isolated as strictly                                                                        
emergency response and kept separate.  That portion requires                                                                    
about $4.5 million dollars in fixed costs and with the                                                                          
additional costs of dealing with the fires.  He added, those                                                                    
costs average approximately $10 million general fund dollars                                                                    
per year.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         

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