Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120
05/16/2022 03:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS
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| HB97 | |
| HJR32 | |
| HB97 | |
| Adjourn |
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| += | HJR 32 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 97 | TELECONFERENCED | |
HB 97-LAND VOUCHERS; PFDS
6:08:19 PM
CHAIR TUCK announced that the first order of business would be
HOUSE BILL NO. 97, "An Act relating to the veterans' land
purchase discount; establishing state land vouchers; relating to
the permanent fund dividend; relating to the duties of the
Department of Revenue; authorizing the Department of Natural
Resources to accept state land vouchers; relating to eligibility
for public assistance; and providing for an effective date."
6:09:08 PM
BRIAN FECHTER, Deputy Commissioner, Office of the Commissioner,
Department of Revenue, on behalf of the House Rules Standing
Committee, by request of the governor, introduced HB 97. He
said the bill would establish a program similar to
PickClickGive, where electronic permanent fund dividend (PFD)
applicants can choose to receive a land voucher in lieu of a
cash PFD; the voucher would be in the amount of twice the
statutory PFD.
6:09:41 PM
REPRESENTATIVE STORY, concerning the land vouchers, expressed
concern regarding the services available in state lands. She
questioned whether the lands would be accessible.
6:11:11 PM
CRISTY COLLES, Chief of Operations, Division of Mining, Land,
and Water, Department of Natural Resources, answered that the
state owns a variety of lands available which could be used.
She explained that the lands would not necessarily have
services, such as sewers; however, some lands would have road
access and could have utilities installed. She said that a
person would be able to buy land via an online auction process,
and through this process, the person could review the details.
MS. COLLES, in response to a follow-up question, answered that
the department puts out a land auction annually in June. She
explained that individuals can review the land parcels online
through the department's website. She said that the fair market
value of the land is determined via an appraisal, and this
establishes a minimum bid. The individual with the highest bid
is determined to be the winner of the auction. She stated that
in October, the department announces the winners, and
individuals can win up to two parcels. Using a land parcel
valued at $70,000 as an example, she explained that, per the
proposed legislation, if the winner has PFD vouchers, the person
could deduct the value of the voucher from the final price and
then have a contract for the remaining amount. Further, she
said, the contract could be for up to 20 years. In response to
a follow-up question, she stated that every year the department
puts out 200 parcels on the auction website. She explained that
land not sold via auction can be sold "over the counter,"
without a bidding process. She further explained that usually
half of the parcels up for auction are sold, and there are
around 100 winners.
6:16:42 PM
CHAIR TUCK explained that, per the proposed legislation, an
individual would not be able to receive a land voucher if the
individual has a garnishment; however, once the garnishment is
paid, if [PFD money] is left over, this can be put toward a land
voucher. He said an issue which has arisen from this is, using
child support as an example, a person could get around making
the payment by collecting the land vouchers and selling them.
MR. FECHTER stated that if the individual has outstanding
garnishments, then the PFD would be garnished up to the cash
value of the PFD. He said the voucher itself can also be
garnished; however, this would be problematic.
CHAIR TUCK offered the understanding that the garnishment would
come first, then what is left over could go to a land voucher.
He posed that, if a person has outstanding bills which cannot
garnish a PFD, the person will still qualify for a land voucher.
MR. FECHTER answered, "You've captured it accurately."
CHAIR TUCK questioned whether this issue could be addressed, so
in this situation the person would not be able to use the PFD's
full cash value.
MR. FECHTER responded that the committee would need to make this
decision. In response to a follow-up question, he said a
section of the proposed bill does address garnishments.
6:20:28 PM
The committee took an at-ease from 6:20 p.m. to 6:22 p.m.
6:22:05 PM
CHAIR TUCK informed members that the discussion is on how the
bill could be amended so a PFD recipient could use a portion of
the PFD to receive a land voucher. He pointed out that Section
8 discusses garnishment and the amount left over. He questioned
the limits in the proposed bill which would disqualify someone
from using a portion of the PFD for a voucher.
MR. FECHTER directed attention to Section 5 of the bill. The
section addresses individuals that want to receive a land
voucher instead of a monetary PFD. He suggested that the
language could be amended to read similar to the language used
for other programs, like the PFD raffle, where the amount would
be in $100 increments up to the full amount of the PFD.
CHAIR TUCK offered his understanding that Section 5 addresses
any amount remaining as a result of individual deductions, like
PickClickGive, for example.
MR. FECHTER answered that is correct, and that such deductions
are like the ones for the PFD raffle and the 529 college savings
plan.
6:24:25 PM
The committee took an at-ease from 6:24 p.m. to 6:26 p.m.
6:26:04 PM
CHAIR TUCK announced HB 97 was held over.
HB 97-LAND VOUCHERS; PFDS
7:20:04 PM
CHAIR TUCK announced that the final order of business would be a
return to HOUSE BILL NO. 97, "An Act relating to the veterans'
land purchase discount; establishing state land vouchers;
relating to the permanent fund dividend; relating to the duties
of the Department of Revenue; authorizing the Department of
Natural Resources to accept state land vouchers; relating to
eligibility for public assistance; and providing for an
effective date."
7:20:37 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN moved to adopt Amendment 1 to HB 97,
labeled 32-GH1612\A.1, Radford, 5/16/22, which read as follows:
Page 7, line 6:
Delete "2022"
Insert "2023"
7:20:43 PM
CHAIR TUCK objected for the purpose of discussion.
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN noted that Amendment 1 would change the
effective date from 2022 to 2023.
CHAIR TUCK removed his objection. There being no further
objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.
7:21:06 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN, instead of moving Conceptual Amendment 1,
moved a formal recommendation that the next committee of
referral adopt Conceptual Amendment 1.
CHAIR TUCK concurred. There being no objections to the
recommendation, it was announced that the recommendation would
accompany HB 97.
7:21:44 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN moved to report HB 97, as amended, out of
committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying
fiscal notes. There being no objection, CSHB 97 (MLV) was
reported out of the House Special Committee on Military and
Veterans' Affairs.