Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

05/03/2023 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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03:15:46 PM Start
03:16:04 PM HB97
03:39:00 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 123 LICENSE REQUIREMENTS: COMM. DRIVERS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
<Pending Referral>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 145 LOANS UNDER $25,000; PAYDAY LOANS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 05/05/23>
+= HB 97 SELF-STORAGE UNITS: LIENS; SALES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 97(L&C) Out of Committee
             HB 97-SELF-STORAGE UNITS: LIENS; SALES                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:16:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced that the  only order of business would be                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO.  97, "An Act  relating to self-storage facilities                                                                
for  personal  property,   including  vehicles  and  watercraft;                                                                
distinguishing self-storage facility liens from  another type of                                                                
storage  lien;   and  excluding  self-storage  liens   from  the                                                                
treatment of certain unclaimed property."  [Before the committee                                                                
was the  proposed committee substitute (CS) for  HB 97, Version,                                                                
33-LS0392\S, Dunmire, 4/25/23, ("Version S"),  adopted on 5/1/23                                                                
as a working document.]                                                                                                         
CHAIR SUMNER ascertained that Representative Fields would not be                                                                
offering Amendments 1 or 2 at this time.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:16:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK  moved  to adopt  Amendment 3  to HB  97,                                                                
Version S,  labeled 33-LS0392\B.1, Dunmire, 3/28/23,  which read                                                                
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 3:                                                                                                            
          Delete "or"                                                                                                           
          Insert "and"                                                                                                          
          Following "recent":                                                                                                   
               Insert "electronic mail address and mailing"                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "20"                                                                                                           
          Insert "30"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER objected.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:16:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK noted that the amendment had been drafted                                                                
to the  previous version of  the proposed legislation,  with the                                                                
lines the  amendment is  drafted on  being the  only difference.                                                                
She  explained that  Amendment 3  would require  notification by                                                                
email and  postage mail  and increase the  total number  of days                                                                
required for notification from 20 to 30.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:18:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WRIGHT  asked for the  bill sponsor's  opinion on                                                                
the amendment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX,  as  prime sponsor,  expressed the  opinion                                                                
that  the   amendment  is   unnecessary  because   the  proposed                                                                
legislation sets  only minimum requirements, and  storage owners                                                                
could make  any changes, as  the maximum would  not be set.   He                                                                
added that the  language "mail" would imply  certified mail, and                                                                
this would be a burden on storage facility owners.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:19:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK responded  that  many  Alaskans live  in                                                                
rural  areas  and  making   the  process  duplicative  would  be                                                                
beneficial to them.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:20:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  commented  that   e-mail  systems  often                                                                
incorrectly mark messages as spam.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:20:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE expressed opposition to Amendment 3, as                                                                
these  notices  would  be  for  a  renter  already  in  default;                                                                
therefore, the burden should fall on them.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:22:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote  was taken.  Representatives Carrick and Fields                                                                
voted  in   favor  of   Amendment  3  to   HB  97,   Version  S.                                                                
Representatives  Wright, Ruffridge,  Saddler,  Prax, and  Sumner                                                                
voted against it.  Therefore, Amendment 3 failed by a vote of 2-                                                                
5.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:22:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS moved  to  adopt Amendment  1  to HB  97,                                                                
Version S, labeled 33-LS0392\S.1, Dunmire, 5/2/23, which read as                                                                
follow:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 1-2:                                                                                                         
          Delete ", labor, late fees, and other charges,                                                                        
      and for expenses reasonably incurred in the sale or                                                                       
     other disposition of the property under law"                                                                               
          Insert "and late fees"                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE objected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:22:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  explained  that Amendment  1 would  place                                                                
limits on the  number of late fees  rental facility owners would                                                                
be able to impose.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:24:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  expressed opposition  to  the amendment,                                                                
opining that late  fees should not be allowed only  in the event                                                                
of delinquency.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:25:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATHANIEL  DYE, Owner,  Juneau Self  Storage,  providing invited                                                                
testimony,  stated that  storage  facility  owners usually  only                                                                
recover approximately  30 percent of  lost fees  when auctioning                                                                
off a  storage unit, and  this is in  addition to paying  for an                                                                
auctioneer.  He expressed opposition to Amendment 1.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:26:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARREL SMITH,  General Manager,  Best Storage,  provided invited                                                                
testimony, stating that storage  facilities are usually not able                                                                
to collect  any [excess]  fees charged  [after default],  and he                                                                
expressed opposition to Amendment 1.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:27:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SCHNEIDER, Owner, Storage Solutions North, provided invited                                                                
testimony and  expressed opposition to  Amendment 1.   He stated                                                                
that  storage  facility  owners  lose money  on  lost  rent,  in                                                                
addition to other fees, such as hauling trash to the dump.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:28:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK expressed  uncertainty  about the  other                                                                
possible fees there may be.  She argued that the amendment would                                                                
protect against unnecessary fees.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:29:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WRIGHT  asked for the  bill sponsor's  opinion on                                                                
Amendment 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  said  that  a  rental  facility  agreement                                                                
assumes a tenant  will clean out the  storage unit and expressed                                                                
the opinion that those in default often leave behind junk.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:30:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote  was taken.  Representatives Carrick and Fields                                                                
voted  in   favor  of   Amendment  1  to   HB  97,   Version  S.                                                                
Representatives  Ruffridge, Saddler,  Wright,  Prax, and  Sumner                                                                
voted against it.  Therefore, Amendment 1 failed by a vote of 2-                                                                
5.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS moved  to  adopt Amendment  2  to HB  97,                                                                
Version S, labeled 33-LS0392\S.4, Dunmire, 5/2/23, which read as                                                                
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "10"                                                                                                           
          Insert "15"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "10"                                                                                                           
          Insert "75"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS stated  that Amendment 2  would change the                                                                
bill's language to allow for 90 days of recovery after default.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:32:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX commented  that the  bill's  purpose is  to                                                                
establish minimum  requirements and  expressed the  opinion that                                                                
the amendment is not necessary.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:33:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS asked  Mr. Smith to offer  his thoughts on                                                                
the amendment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH answered that individuals often use storage facilities                                                                
in times  of crisis and allowing for  90 days would  give them a                                                                
chance to recover.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:34:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  expressed  opposition  to  Amendment  2                                                                
because it would be the  renter's failure to uphold this part of                                                                
the contract.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:35:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK commented  that  it  is  possible for  a                                                                
person going  through a  personal crisis  to  be unaware  of the                                                                
default.  She said that the  amendment would give a chance for a                                                                
renter to recover and avoid losing property.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:37:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote  was taken.  Representatives Carrick and Fields                                                                
voted  in   favor  of   Amendment  2  to   HB  97,   Version  S.                                                                
Representatives  Ruffridge, Wright,  Prax,  Saddler, and  Sumner                                                                
voted against it.  Therefore, Amendment 2 failed by a vote of 2-                                                                
5.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:37:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX expressed the opinion that the proposed bill                                                                
would give storage facility owners and operators a better way to                                                                
deal with abandoned property.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:38:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE  moved to report  CSHB 97,  Version 33-                                                                
LS0392\S,  Dunmire, 4/25/23,  out of  committee  with individual                                                                
recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:38:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was  taken.   Representatives Prax,  Wright,                                                                
Saddler, Ruffridge, and  Sumner voted in favor of  the motion to                                                                
report CSHB  97, Version  33-LS0392\S, Dunmire, 4/25/23,  out of                                                                
committee with  individual recommendations and  the accompanying                                                                
fiscal notes.   Representatives Carrick and Fields voted against                                                                
it.  Therefore, CSHB 97(L&C) was reported out of the House Labor                                                                
and Commerce Standing Committee by a vote of 5-2.                                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Amendment Packet for HB97.pdf HL&C 5/3/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 97
HB97 CS (2).pdf HL&C 5/3/2023 3:15:00 PM
HB 97