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03/21/2024 03:30 PM Senate HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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03:32:11 PM Start
03:32:40 PM HB89
04:35:31 PM Adjourn
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*+ HB 89 CHILD CARE: TAX CREDITS/ASSISTANCE/GRANTS TELECONFERENCED
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        HB  89-CHILD CARE: TAX CREDITS/ASSISTANCE/GRANTS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:32:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON  announced the  consideration of  CS FOR  HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO.  89(FIN)  "An  Act  relating to  education  tax  credits  for                                                               
certain payments and contributions for  child care and child care                                                               
facilities; relating  to the insurance tax  education credit, the                                                               
income tax  education credit, the  oil or gas  producer education                                                               
credit, the  property tax education  credit, the  mining business                                                               
education credit,  the fisheries  business education  credit, and                                                               
the  fisheries resource  landing tax  education credit;  renaming                                                               
the  day  care  assistance  program  the  child  care  assistance                                                               
program; relating  to the child  care assistance program  and the                                                               
child  care grant  program; providing  for an  effective date  by                                                               
amending the  effective date of secs.  1, 2, and 21,  ch. 61, SLA                                                               
2014; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON stated  that the sectional analysis for  HB 89 would                                                               
not be  shared in committee due  to its length and  members could                                                               
review it on their own.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:33:27 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   JULIE  COULOMBE,   District  11,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, sponsor of  HB 89 gave the following                                                               
introduction:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     House  Bill 89  is designed  to help  make Alaska  more                                                                    
     affordable  for  families.  Part  of  that  vision  for                                                                    
     Alaska  is  making  child care  more  affordable,  more                                                                    
     accessible,  and  higher  quality.   Child  care  is  a                                                                    
     workforce issue.  Many Alaskans  would return  to work,                                                                    
     take on more work, and  become more reliable workers if                                                                    
     we had more quality, affordable  care. We are all aware                                                                    
     of our  workforce shortages  and the  outward migration                                                                    
     of our young  working families. The jobs  are here, but                                                                    
     for   many  reasons,   including  housing,   education,                                                                    
     training,  and  certainly  the  availability  of  child                                                                    
     care,  we face  a  workforce  shortage. It's  estimated                                                                    
     that  the lack  of child  care costs  Alaskan employers                                                                    
     $152  million in  employee  absences  and turnover  per                                                                    
     year. This  is an issue we  can help solve. HB  89 is a                                                                    
     call to the private sector to  look at child care as an                                                                    
     employee benefit,  and to the  public sector  to update                                                                    
     the way we support families and regulate the industry.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     As  a member  of  the governor's  task  force on  child                                                                    
     care, I've  heard the problems that  surround the child                                                                    
     care sector.  I've talked with private  businesses that                                                                    
     are open  to and willing  to help their  employees with                                                                    
     child care, but don't know  where or how to even start.                                                                    
     I've talked with child care  facilities, both large and                                                                    
     small,  that   have  shared  with  me   how  cumbersome                                                                    
     regulations have  weighed them down, and  paperwork can                                                                    
     keep their businesses from thriving.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Recommendations that  came from the task  force address                                                                    
     these  issues. HB  89 moves  the industry  in the  same                                                                    
     direction  as  the   task  force  recommendations.  Our                                                                    
     economy is  desperate for workers and  our children are                                                                    
     struggling  to  be  ready  to  learn  when  they  enter                                                                    
     kindergarten. So, what can government  do to help these                                                                    
     problems?   From   my   perspective,   it's   not   the                                                                    
     government's  responsibility  to  provide  child  care.                                                                    
     However, it is my belief  that government can create an                                                                    
     environment that  encourages businesses to  offer child                                                                    
     care  benefits. Government  can  remove burdensome  and                                                                    
     unnecessary  regulations to  make it  easier for  those                                                                    
     who want to,  to start a child care  business, and also                                                                    
     can encourage communities  to create innovative choices                                                                    
     for  different  kinds  of  care.  Government  can  also                                                                    
     assist  parents  who want  access  to  child care.  For                                                                    
     those  who  want  or  need  assistance  to  grow  their                                                                    
     household income. My  bill does not propose  to spend a                                                                    
     lot  of short-term  money, but  to provide  a long-term                                                                    
     incentive for our communities to  solve the problem. It                                                                    
     strengthens the child care system in several ways:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:36:24 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE continued:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     It  creates a  tax exemption  for businesses  for child                                                                    
     care expenditures.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Expands  the   number  of   families  who   can  access                                                                    
     assistance by  raising the income level  to qualify and                                                                    
     raises the  cap on  the percentage  of income  a family                                                                    
     spends on child care.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Provides an  opportunity to align the  assistance level                                                                    
     to reflect the actual cost  of care, instead of using a                                                                    
     market study.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Offers an option  for the child care  program office to                                                                    
     give  grants to  high  performing,  high quality  child                                                                    
     care providers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     It provides that the department  will develop a sliding                                                                    
     fee  scale for  families who  increase their  household                                                                    
     income  without losing  all the  child care  assistance                                                                    
     all at once.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     So, in wrap up, HB  89 will make Alaska more affordable                                                                    
     for families  by helping to create  affordable, quality                                                                    
     child care that  is accessible to families.  It also is                                                                    
     a call to  the private sector to look at  child care as                                                                    
     an employee benefit and encourage  people to open child                                                                    
     care facilities.  As long as Alaska's  energy, housing,                                                                    
     and groceries  keep increasing  in price,  parents will                                                                    
     have to work to keep up.  It's time for us to provide a                                                                    
     smart solution,  to engage our partners  in the private                                                                    
     sector, to help Alaskans in that effort.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:37:44 PM                                                                                                                    
ELEILIA PRESTON,  Staff to Representative Coulombe,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau,  Alaska, said she would  give a presentation                                                               
on HB 89. She moved to slide  2 discussed the problem HB 89 seeks                                                               
to solve:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     What is the Problem?                                                                                                       
     Lack of affordable, quality child care                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Worsens labor shortages                                                                                                    
   • Endangers children                                                                                                         
   • Undermines families' economic security                                                                                     
   • Decreases workforce participation                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON moved  to slide 3 and said HB  89 provides a solution                                                               
to  strengthen  the  child  care sector  to  improve  access  for                                                               
families and help parents return to the workforce.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:38:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON moved  to slide 4 and said Alaska's  child care is in                                                               
crisis  as a  result of  labor shortages,  a declining  number of                                                               
child care providers, and low wages.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:38:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON moved  to slide 5 and said HB  89 provides a multiple                                                               
approach to solve these problems:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     HB 89 Solution                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   • Expands the number of families who can use child care                                                                      
      assistance Incentivizes tax breaks for employers to                                                                       
     donate to child care facilities                                                                                            
   • Increases the maximum tax credit                                                                                           
   • Aligns the assistance level to reflect the actual cost                                                                     
     of care                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:39:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON asked  if expanding the number  of families eligible                                                               
for  child  care  assistance  would  increase  demand  without  a                                                               
corresponding increase in the supply of child care providers.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:39:49 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE  replied that if capital  is infused from                                                               
the private sector,  it could lead to the creation  of more child                                                               
care centers. She  noted that many existing  centers already have                                                               
the capacity to  serve more children but are unable  to do so due                                                               
to  staffing  shortages. By  engaging  the  private sector  as  a                                                               
partner,  she hopes  to first  fill the  vacant spots  in current                                                               
child care centers and then expand further.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. PRESTON added  that one of the invited  testifiers will share                                                               
how she plans to double the size of her center.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:40:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON  moved to slide 6  and stated that, according  to the                                                               
U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Alaska  is losing $152 million annually                                                               
due  to employee  turnover  and absences  related  to child  care                                                               
issues.  She said  in  doing  research for  HB  89, they  visited                                                               
various  child care  facilities, including  those located  within                                                               
businesses.  She mentioned  a  bank with  an  on-site child  care                                                               
facility  and noted  that the  benefit extended  beyond just  the                                                               
parents using  the service;  the entire  organization experienced                                                               
positive  effects,  demonstrating  that  it  was  profitable  for                                                               
everyone.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:41:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON moved  to slide 7 and added that  during research for                                                               
HB 89,  they discovered that  child care assistance needed  to be                                                               
tied to the  actual cost of care. Currently, the  state's rate is                                                               
based on a market rate study.  The Alaska Department of Health is                                                               
contracting with  the McKinley  Group to  complete this  study by                                                               
July 31, 2024,  but the results will still  require approval from                                                               
the federal government.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:41:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN   asked  whether  the  Department   of  Health  is                                                               
currently  conducting a  market  rate  study or  a  cost of  care                                                               
study.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:42:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON replied it is doing a cost of care study.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:42:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN asked  if the legislation would be  impacted by the                                                               
cost of care study.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:42:23 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE  confirmed that  the legislation  will be                                                               
impacted  by the  cost  of  care study.  She  explained that  the                                                               
market rate  study reflects what  is currently being  charged for                                                               
child  care, while  the cost  of care  study examines  the actual                                                               
expenses  involved in  providing care.  She said  originally, she                                                               
had  money for  the cost  of care  study, but  the Department  of                                                               
Health  absorbed  the cost  and  initiated  the study,  which  is                                                               
expected  to be  completed  by July  31. She  noted  that if  the                                                               
legislation  passes, the  impact of  this study  will need  to be                                                               
discussed, as  the current  subsidy is based  on the  market rate                                                               
study.  Transitioning to  the cost  of care  model would  require                                                               
federal approval  of the  methodology, and  the state  would then                                                               
need  to decide  whether to  continue  using the  market rate  or                                                               
shift to the cost of care for subsidies.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:42:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL joined the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON asked  if there  is current  information about  the                                                               
market  rate for  child care  or  if any  invited testifiers  can                                                               
speak to the  going rate and demand in Anchorage  or other areas.                                                               
He also inquired how this compares to what the state is paying.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE replied  that the  Department of  Health                                                               
(DOH) could probably speak to the question later.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:44:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON  moved to slide 8  and explained how HB  89 will help                                                               
solve  the  child  care  problem   in  Alaska  by  comparing  the                                                               
situation now to the changes HB 89 would create:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Who is eligible for assistance?                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
     Now:                                                                                                                       
        • Families up to 85 percent State Median Income:                                                                        
        • $60, 144 in Alaska for one earner.                                                                                    
        • Leaves most of middle-class without affordable                                                                        
          care                                                                                                                  
        • Lack of affordable care = severe labor shortages                                                                      
          in every industry                                                                                                     
        • There is a 9 percent cap                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     HB 89                                                                                                                      
        • Raises eligibility threshold to 105 percent State                                                                     
          Median Income: $73 ,920 in Alaska for one earner                                                                      
        • Departments will scale subsidy level based on                                                                         
          need                                                                                                                  
        • Expands number of families who can afford care =                                                                      
          more Alaskans going back to work                                                                                      
        • Will change cap to 7 percent of family income                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:45:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR asked for more detail on what is being capped.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:45:23 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE explained that the  current cap is set at                                                               
9 percent  of a family's income,  meaning the cost of  child care                                                               
cannot exceed that  percentage. However, only about  7 percent of                                                               
eligible families  are using the  subsidy. She stated  her belief                                                               
that this is partly because  when families have multiple children                                                               
or the child  care costs exceed the subsidy,  their copay becomes                                                               
too large. She mentioned that  by working with the department and                                                               
hopefully lowering  the cap  it will  encourage more  families to                                                               
participate  in the  subsidy  program. She  said  by raising  the                                                               
threshold  and lowering  the cap,  she hopes  to see  an increase                                                               
from  the  current  7  percent   participation  rate,  which  she                                                               
described as very low.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:46:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  inquired whether a  7 percent cap means  that the                                                               
state covers 93 percent  of the child care cost or  if there is a                                                               
combination  of other  payers covering  the remaining  amount. He                                                               
also asked if  the 7 percent cap applies per  child, wondering if                                                               
that means  a family with  three children would receive  a larger                                                               
subsidy compared to a family with just one child.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:46:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE explained  that the  current child  care                                                               
subsidy is  around $500  per month on  average, though  the exact                                                               
amount varies depending  on the family's income.  For example, if                                                               
a  child care  center  cost is  $1,000 a  month,  a family  might                                                               
receive $500  to $600  in subsidy,  leaving them  responsible for                                                               
the  remaining   amount.  However,  as  child   care  costs  have                                                               
increased,  families  are now  paying  a  larger portion  of  the                                                               
difference,  which includes  the copay  and any  additional costs                                                               
above what  the state covers.  For instance, if the  state allows                                                               
$900 per  month per child  and pays  $500, the family  must cover                                                               
the  remaining  $400.  This   financial  burden,  especially  for                                                               
families with multiple children, has  made the copay difficult to                                                               
manage,  leading to  a decline  in participation  in the  subsidy                                                               
program. Participation rates have  dropped to single digits, with                                                               
only about  7 percent  of eligible  families currently  using the                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  acknowledged his  misunderstanding and  stated he                                                               
now recognizes it is not 7 percent  of the cost of child care but                                                               
rather  the  cost cannot  exceed  7  percent of  an  individual's                                                               
income.  Therefore, whatever  the  difference is  the state  will                                                               
make it up.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:49:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  asked for clarification  about how the  child care                                                               
subsidy program works. She specifically  wanted to understand how                                                               
it would  impact low-income families, particularly  those with no                                                               
income,  who  are  trying  to  find  employment.  She  asked  how                                                               
unemployed  families  would access  the  subsidy  to place  their                                                               
children in  child care while  they search  for work or  secure a                                                               
job.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:49:43 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE  deferred to the department,  but said it                                                               
is her understanding that individuals  need to have employment or                                                               
look for work to receive the subsidy.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:50:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  PRESTON moved  to slide  9 -10  and highlighted  another key                                                               
component of HB 89 is a  child tax credit. She explained that the                                                               
child tax  credits in HB  89 mirrors  those from House  Bill 223,                                                               
allowing the corporations listed on the slide to participate:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Credits offset taxes                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     State net income tax (Corporate)                                                                                           
     Mining License tax                                                                                                         
     Fisheries Business Tax                                                                                                     
     Fishery Resource Landing Tax                                                                                               
     Oil and Gas Production tax                                                                                                 
     Oil and Gas Property tax and Insurance tax                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. PRESTON  stated that since HB  89 is an innovative  bill, the                                                               
exact economic impact  is uncertain, but they  expect the credits                                                               
to function similarly to those in House Bill 223.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:51:02 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   COULOMBE  moved   to  slide   11  and   provided                                                               
background on House Bill 223,  which involves the educational tax                                                               
credit. She  explained that the child  care tax credits in  HB 89                                                               
were modeled  after the educational  tax credit,  maintaining the                                                               
same  50/50/50  split. While  the  cap  for the  educational  tax                                                               
credit is currently  $1 million, she raised it to  $3 million for                                                               
the child  care tax credit  after consulting with  the Department                                                               
of Revenue. Businesses would be  able to combine both educational                                                               
and child  care credits up to  this cap. She emphasized  that her                                                               
intent was  not to reduce  educational investments, which  is why                                                               
she increased the cap to $3 million.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:51:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON highlighted  a few items from  the sectional analysis                                                               
[CS  for HB  89  (RLS),  version U]  that  were not  specifically                                                               
mentioned in the presentation:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  22:  Amends   AS  47.05.030(a)  is  conforming                                                                    
     language to change "day care" to "child care."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  33: Adds  new  subsection  AS 47.25.071(i)  to                                                                    
     allow  the department  to award  grants  to child  care                                                                    
     facilities that are the  highest performing and highest                                                                    
     quality.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 39:  Amends session laws SLA,  chapter 61, 2014                                                                    
     and 2018  SLA chapter 40  to change the  effective date                                                                    
     of  January 1,  2028.  Fisheries  education tax  credit                                                                    
     expired but was extended in section 39 in the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 40: Its it an  effective date clause that takes                                                                    
     effective on the  day after the date  the United States                                                                    
      Department of Health and Human Services approves the                                                                      
     plan.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 41: Effective date effective immediately                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:53:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  referred  to   Section  33  and  said  "highest                                                               
performing" and "highest quality" are  vague terms. She asked how                                                               
they are measured.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:53:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   COULOMBE   deferred   to  Thread   stating   the                                                               
organization  has  standards  based  on  educational  activities,                                                               
nutrition, and safety.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:53:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  expressed confusion about the  fiscal note, which                                                               
indicates  a $4.8  million reduction  in tax  revenue. He  sought                                                               
clarification, noting that  with the increase in the  cap from $1                                                               
million  to  $3  million  for  a  company's  tax  write-off,  and                                                               
assuming  it  applies to  multiple  companies,  the reduction  in                                                               
revenue seemed relatively small.  He questioned why the projected                                                               
reduction in  corporate tax income  was not larger, asking  if it                                                               
was  because  only  a  few  companies in  the  state  would  take                                                               
advantage  of  the  provision.   He  expected  that  if  multiple                                                               
companies participated, the reduction would be more significant.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:55:00 PM                                                                                                                    
BRANDON SPANOS, Acting Tax Director,  Tax Division, Department of                                                               
Revenue,  Anchorage, Alaska,  directed attention  to page  two of                                                               
the fiscal note, which includes  a table with three components to                                                               
the analysis.  The first component involves  expanding the credit                                                               
to   cover   child   care  facilities,   which   is   marked   as                                                               
"indeterminate"  because there  is not  enough data  on how  many                                                               
taxpayers  are   already  paying  for  child   care  services  or                                                               
contributing towards  their employees'  child care. This  lack of                                                               
data  makes  it  difficult  to estimate  the  additional  revenue                                                               
deduction. The  second component  is the  increase in  the annual                                                               
credit  from $1  million  to $3  million, and  the  third is  the                                                               
extension of the repeal date beyond January 25.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:56:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR expressed  concern  that the  first change  might                                                               
result  in the  state paying  more  for things  that are  already                                                               
happening,  questioning  whether  it   would  truly  lead  to  an                                                               
increase  in  the number  of  people  accessing the  benefit.  He                                                               
acknowledged the  fiscal note's "indeterminate" status  but asked                                                               
for  a sense  of the  potential  scale. He  inquired whether  the                                                               
impact would be  in the hundreds of thousands,  millions, or tens                                                               
of millions  of dollars,  seeking a  better understanding  of the                                                               
overall fiscal impact.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:56:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SPANOS  explained  that  there  is  a  $3  million  cap  per                                                               
taxpayer,  which  limits  the  amount   that  can  be  used.  The                                                               
estimates provided are  based on historical use  of the education                                                               
tax  credit,   which  this   proposal  essentially   expands.  He                                                               
expressed confidence  in the figures  for raising the  credit cap                                                               
from $1  million to  $3 million and  extending the  credit beyond                                                               
the repeal  date. However,  when it comes  to the  expansion into                                                               
child care, it  would still be subject to the  $3 million cap per                                                               
taxpayer.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SPANOS  offered to  provide  the  committee with  additional                                                               
analysis, such as what the impact  would be if 100 percent of the                                                               
credit were  used, based on  historical use of the  education tax                                                               
credit. Additionally, they  could estimate the effect  if every C                                                               
corporation filing  a tax return  were to  use the credit  to its                                                               
full capacity,  keeping in  mind that the  amount of  credit each                                                               
company could use depends on the tax they owe.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:58:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR expressed  interest  in receiving  more data  and                                                               
requested information  on how many companies  in Alaska currently                                                               
pay $3 million  in corporate income taxes. He  estimated that the                                                               
number is likely  fewer than 100, but asked  for confirmation and                                                               
would appreciate having that data.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:58:49 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE  explained that  the sunset date  for the                                                               
tax credit was  set three years out, specifically  to address the                                                               
uncertainty  regarding  its  actual  cost. Since  the  impact  is                                                               
indeterminate,  the sunset  provision allows  the legislature  to                                                               
revisit the  issue in  2028 and  evaluate its  effectiveness. She                                                               
acknowledged that it would be up  to the legislature to decide on                                                               
the final sunset date.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE noted that  they had gathered information                                                               
on the  number of companies  paying corporate income tax  but did                                                               
not  have  the list  at  the  moment.  She mentioned  that  taxes                                                               
eligible for  the deduction include corporate  income tax, mining                                                               
license tax, fishery business tax,  fishery resource tax, and oil                                                               
and  gas tax.  She agreed  that large  corporations would  likely                                                               
benefit most,  reaching the $3  million cap, but  emphasized that                                                               
many  companies pay  corporate income  taxes. She  suggested that                                                               
the Department  of Revenue  could provide  more detailed  data on                                                               
this and reiterated that setting  the shorter sunset date was her                                                               
way of addressing concerns about the potential cost.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:00:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR    TOBIN   expressed    difficulty   understanding    the                                                               
relationship between  the education  tax credit and  the proposed                                                               
changes, noting that  other bills are being  considered to revert                                                               
the tax  credit to  pre-2018 numbers, while  some aim  to abolish                                                               
the sunset  date altogether. She asked  for further clarification                                                               
on how these different pieces are intended to fit together.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:00:41 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  acknowledged  that  there  are  several                                                               
pieces of  legislation related  to the  education tax  credit and                                                               
noted that this creates some  uncertainty. She mentioned that she                                                               
has  seen discussions  in committees  about  how different  bills                                                               
might interact, with  questions like "What if  this passes before                                                               
that?" Ultimately,  she suggested  it will  depend on  which bill                                                               
crosses the finish line first.  She explained that Representative                                                               
Ruffridge  is  proposing  to  eliminate  the  sunset  date  while                                                               
keeping  the $1  million cap,  whereas  the Senate  bill aims  to                                                               
extend the sunset  date and increase the cap.  She clarified that                                                               
if HB 89 passes  first, it might make the need  for the other two                                                               
bills  unnecessary, with  the  primary  remaining question  being                                                               
whether  to  eliminate the  sunset  date  entirely. However,  she                                                               
expressed that  there may  be reluctance  to fully  eliminate the                                                               
sunset date due to the uncertainty of the cost.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:01:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON   agreed  and   opined  that   it  is   an  ongoing                                                               
conversation with a combination of ideations.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:02:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   KAUFMAN   stated   his   understanding   that   certain                                                               
requirements hinder a robust business  climate for child care. He                                                               
asked whether  HB 89 includes  provisions to  remove impediments.                                                               
He noted  other states seem  to have strong freelance  child care                                                               
networks, for instance small daycares  in neighborhoods. He asked                                                               
for thoughts on how HB 89 addresses this area.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE explained  that during  her time  on the                                                               
child  care task  force, she  learned  about many  of the  issues                                                               
involving   paperwork  and   regulations,  including   background                                                               
checks, licensing,  and other  administrative hurdles.  She noted                                                               
that  after multiple  meetings  with  Commissioner Hedberg,  they                                                               
concluded that many  of these problems could be  addressed at the                                                               
departmental level.  She said she  intentionally paused  the bill                                                               
last  year, knowing  the task  force would  meet and  potentially                                                               
uncover areas that needed to be added or changed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:03:30 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   COULOMBE  highlighted   that  the   main  issues                                                               
centered on  cumbersome processes like background  checks and the                                                               
need to print,  fill out, and mail forms,  which creates barriers                                                               
for  both rural  and urban  areas. One  feature of  HB 89  is the                                                               
introduction of a  liaison in the department's  child care office                                                               
to help  businesses navigate offering  child care  benefits. This                                                               
role  would guide  businesses on  options other  than building  a                                                               
child care center, such as  assisting employees with subsidies or                                                               
developing other child care benefits.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE clarified that  the HB 89 doesn't address                                                               
regulatory   burdens,  which   are   being  worked   on  by   the                                                               
commissioner  as part  of the  task force  recommendations. These                                                               
include  efforts  to  streamline paperwork,  improve  child  care                                                               
center  ratios,  and  address   other  factors  that  impact  the                                                               
financial  survival of  child care  centers.  She also  mentioned                                                               
that she  has been  collaborating with  the Anchorage  child care                                                               
office  on potential  solutions specific  to Anchorage,  which is                                                               
the only  location that licenses  child care separately  from the                                                               
state.  However,  those initiatives  are  separate  from what  is                                                               
included in HB 89.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:05:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN noted  that, from  her understanding,  only a  few                                                               
organizations  are  currently  able  to  utilize  and  apply  the                                                               
education  tax  credit.  She  mentioned   that  there  have  been                                                               
discussions with legislative legal  about expanding the credit to                                                               
include additional  organizations, such as nonprofits,  and asked                                                               
if  similar  challenges had  been  encountered  with the  changes                                                               
outlined in HB  89. She wanted to know if  there had been similar                                                               
difficulties in opening up the  child care tax credit for broader                                                               
use.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:06:15 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   COULOMBE  asked   if   the   question  is   what                                                               
organizations can apply for the tax credit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:06:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  replied she is  asking what organizations  can use                                                               
the tax credit and what the tax credit can be applied to.                                                                       
4:06:38 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE responded that  it's difficult to predict                                                               
specific challenges as the department  has not tried to implement                                                               
the changes in HB 89 yet.  She noted that HB 89 outlines specific                                                               
deductions but  acknowledged that adjustments might  be necessary                                                               
over time  to make  it easier  to use. She  pointed out  that the                                                               
educational tax  credit has  been in  place for  a while  and has                                                               
evolved, and she anticipates similar  developments with the child                                                               
care tax credit.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:07:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON announced invited testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:07:31 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  JESSICA  PARKER,  Superintendent,  Little  Mountain  Movers,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska,  who oversees  Little Mountain  Movers Academy                                                               
and  Mountain  City  Christian Academy  in  Anchorage,  expressed                                                               
enthusiastic  support   for  HB   89.  She  explained   that  her                                                               
organization  is deeply  involved in  child care  and educational                                                               
services.  The demand  for daycare,  especially  for infants,  is                                                               
skyrocketing,  leaving the  center with  a long  year and  a half                                                               
waitlist. Despite receiving approval  to increase its capacity to                                                               
300 kids,  regulations are hindering  its ability to  fully open.                                                               
Currently, it  serves fewer than  120 children, while  nearly 100                                                               
are on the waitlist, half of whom are infants.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. PARKER noted that staffing  and space requirements for infant                                                               
care are particularly  high, making it the  most challenging area                                                               
to  expand despite  being the  most  in demand.  However, she  is                                                               
encouraged by the  work the legislature and  department are doing                                                               
to address  the challenges  and sees  HB 89  as a  potential game                                                               
changer. By tweaking the daycare  assistance and Child Care Grant                                                               
Program,  HB  89  will  ease  pressures  by  raising  the  income                                                               
threshold  for families  and adjusting  grants to  reflect actual                                                               
costs  and local  needs. She  praised HB  89 for  recognizing the                                                               
diverse needs of different regions,  especially in a unique place                                                               
like Anchorage,  and for offering  real solutions.  She expressed                                                               
her  strong  support  for the  legislation  and  encouraged  more                                                               
initiatives like it.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:09:52 PM                                                                                                                    
STEPHANIE BERGLUND,  CEO, Thread, Anchorage, Alaska,  said Thread                                                               
is Alaska's  Child Care Resource  and Referral  organization. She                                                               
explained that  Thread works to strengthen  access to affordable,                                                               
high-quality  early childhood  education  with a  focus on  child                                                               
care, serving  over 10,000 families,  2,000 early  educators, and                                                               
more than  400 programs annually.  She emphasized that  the child                                                               
care   sector  is   fragile,  with   long-standing  institutional                                                               
deficiencies,  and that  the challenges  have increased  over the                                                               
last four  years. Since  2020, more than  25 percent  of licensed                                                               
child care  programs have  closed across  Alaska, and  those that                                                               
remain  open  face  staffing   shortages,  preventing  them  from                                                               
serving  all the  children they  could. She  warned that  without                                                               
sustainable investment and policies,  more programs are likely to                                                               
close. The child care workforce  struggles with low wages and few                                                               
benefits, which  is particularly  challenging in  Alaska's highly                                                               
competitive labor  market. Fewer families can  access affordable,                                                               
quality  child  care, and  this  negatively  impacts the  state's                                                               
economic  infrastructure.  Businesses  struggle  to  recruit  and                                                               
retain  employees,  and  families  face  obstacles  to  workforce                                                               
participation. Research,  in partnership with the  Alaska Chamber                                                               
and the McKinley Group, shows  that child care challenges lead to                                                               
employee absences  and turnover, costing businesses  an estimated                                                               
$152 million  annually. She further explained  that when Alaskans                                                               
cannot  work  due  to  child care  issues,  they  lack  financial                                                               
security, hindering  their ability to support  their families and                                                               
contribute to  the economy.  This cycle  affects quality  of life                                                               
and stalls Alaska's economic growth.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:12:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BERGLUND  said  she  supported  HB  89,  which  incentivizes                                                               
businesses  to  support child  care  and  strengthens child  care                                                               
assistance  and subsidy  programs. By  allowing more  families to                                                               
participate in child care assistance  and creating flexibility in                                                               
resources, HB 89  aims to address many issues  facing the sector.                                                               
She  noted that  too few  families currently  participate in  the                                                               
child care  assistance program, due  to eligibility  barriers and                                                               
the  financial burden  of copays  and tuition  differentials. She                                                               
pointed  out that  51  percent  of families  in  a recent  survey                                                               
reported that  the availability, quality,  or cost of  child care                                                               
affects their  ability to  work, a  significant increase  from 22                                                               
percent in  2019. This  underscores the  need for  policy changes                                                               
like   HB   89  to   strengthen   the   workforce  and   economy.                                                               
Additionally,  she highlighted  that  child  care businesses  are                                                               
reimbursed  at  rates based  on  the  market rate  survey,  which                                                               
reflects  the amount  charged for  care, not  the actual  cost of                                                               
providing quality  care and education.  This creates  an unstable                                                               
foundation for the  child care system. She  expressed support for                                                               
current research on  the true cost of care and  was encouraged by                                                               
HB  89's inclusion  of using  cost-of-care data  alongside market                                                               
rates in policy  and fiscal planning. While endorsing HB  89 as a                                                               
critical  step   for  improving  affordability  and   access  for                                                               
families,  she  also  urged   policymakers  to  consider  further                                                               
investments to  ensure families who  qualify for  assistance have                                                               
access to child care facilities.  She encouraged the committee to                                                               
pass HB 89  this session, stressing that positive  change for the                                                               
child care sector cannot come soon enough.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:15:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON  asked what  percentage  of  child care  facilities                                                               
accept  clients  using  child care  assistance,  specifically  in                                                               
terms of their overall payer mix within the facilities.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:15:40 PM                                                                                                                    
BERGLUND  replied that  she did  not  know the  exact number  but                                                               
suggested that most facilities accept  child care assistance. She                                                               
estimated that approximately 80 to  90 percent of programs enroll                                                               
children who  use the child  care assistance subsidy  system. She                                                               
added  that accepting  the subsidy  also provides  access to  the                                                               
Child  Care  Grant  Program,  offering  additional  benefits  and                                                               
resources for providers.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:16:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON mentioned  that he was hoping to  get a quantifiable                                                               
number  but noted  that he  would follow  up with  the department                                                               
later to see if they have the specific data.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:16:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN expressed  curiosity about how HB  89 addresses the                                                               
issue  of  living  wages  for child  care  providers,  who  often                                                               
struggle  with   low  compensation  despite  the   important  and                                                               
specialized work they  do. She emphasized the  need for providers                                                               
to be  paid fairly and  have the  necessary training to  care for                                                               
vulnerable  children. She  asked how  HB 89  intersects with  the                                                               
need  for  better  wages  and  training  within  the  child  care                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:16:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BERGLUND  explained  that  the  bill  allows  for  increased                                                               
support  for  quality child  care  by  expanding the  child  care                                                               
assistance program to  help offset costs for  families. She noted                                                               
that with more  stable income, child care  businesses can provide                                                               
better  support  for  their personnel,  which  is  typically  the                                                               
largest  expense  in the  child  care  business model,  including                                                               
wages  and  benefits. She  referenced  how,  during the  COVID-19                                                               
relief efforts,  most child care  businesses used  the additional                                                               
funds to support  their staff. She emphasized  that when programs                                                               
receive additional  financial support,  they can direct  it where                                                               
it's  needed  mostoften   toward improving  wages  and  benefits                                                                
without  necessarily increasing  costs for  families, which  is a                                                               
key goal of HB 89.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:18:21 PM                                                                                                                    
JEN GRIFFIS, Vice President, Policy and Advocacy, Alaska                                                                        
Children's Trust, Anchorage, Alaska, gave the following                                                                         
testimony:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Children's Trust is pleased  to offer our strong                                                                    
     support for House Bill 89  which would expand access to                                                                    
     child  care assistance  for parents.  As the  statewide                                                                    
     lead organization  focused on  the prevention  of child                                                                    
     abuse and  neglect, we  support policies  that increase                                                                    
     economic    security   for    families   and    provide                                                                    
     foundational early  education support for  children. HB
     89  does   both  by   increasing  access   to  quality,                                                                    
     affordable   child   care    for   Alaska's   families.                                                                    
     Currently, the  average family in  Alaska is  paying 15                                                                    
     to 35  percent of their  income for child care,  and 51                                                                    
     percent of  families say they can't  participate in the                                                                    
     workforce to the extent they  would prefer due to child                                                                    
     care  issues.  According  to Kids  Count  2023,  Alaska                                                                    
     ranks 44th  in the nation  for economic well  being and                                                                    
     34 percent  of Alaska  children have parents  that lack                                                                    
     secure   employment.   HB   89   would   increase   the                                                                    
     eligibility limits for  child care assistance, allowing                                                                    
     more Alaska  families access to affordable  child care,                                                                    
     and   providing  more   parents   the  opportunity   to                                                                    
     participate in  the workforce. Parents who  are able to                                                                    
     access the  child care they need  report reduced stress                                                                    
     and  increased   economic  stability,   both  important                                                                    
     societal  factors  for  decreasing the  risk  of  child                                                                    
     abuse  and  neglect,  and  quality  child  care  allows                                                                    
     children to  grow and develop to  their full potential,                                                                    
     increasing  their readiness  for school  and eventually                                                                    
     the workforce.  While HB 89  does not solve all  of the                                                                    
     challenges   currently  facing   Alaska's  child   care                                                                    
     system, it  is an  important step  towards revitalizing                                                                    
     our  child  care sector  in  a  way that  supports  our                                                                    
     children,  families,  communities, and  businesses.  We                                                                    
     encourage your support for HB 89.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:20:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON opened public testimony for HB 89.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:20:57 PM                                                                                                                    
BRYANA GARCIA  DELACRUZ, Member, Alaska Early  Childhood Advocacy                                                               
Group,  Fairbanks,  Alaska, testified  on  behalf  of the  Alaska                                                               
Early Childhood Advocacy  Group in support of House  Bill 89. The                                                               
group,  consisting of  nine nonprofits,  advocates for  increased                                                               
investment and improved policies  for Alaska's child care sector.                                                               
Over  51 percent  of  families cannot  fully  participate in  the                                                               
workforce  due to  the lack  of child  care, and  workers in  the                                                               
sector earn  an average of  $29,500 annually. The  average Alaska                                                               
family pays  15 to  35 percent  of their  annual income  to child                                                               
care costs. Child care programs  are closing, impacting children,                                                               
families, and the economy. While  HB 89 doesn't solve all issues,                                                               
it expands  eligibility for child care  assistance and encourages                                                               
business investment through tax  credits. The group urges support                                                               
for  the  bill to  strengthen  child  care and  benefit  Alaska's                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:23:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON closed public testimony on HB 89.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:23:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN asked about the  qualifications for a quality child                                                               
care   program,  including   the   curricula  requirements,   the                                                               
classroom environment,  developmentally appropriate expectations,                                                               
and the necessary  training. She sought clarification  on what is                                                               
meant by "quality child care."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:24:06 PM                                                                                                                    
HILARY PORTER,  Deputy Director,  Division of  Public Assistance,                                                               
Department  of  Health, Juneau,  Alaska,  stated  that she  would                                                               
provide a  detailed explanation  in writing  to the  committee in                                                               
response to the question.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:24:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN mentioned  one  of her  favorite  programs is  the                                                               
Multnomah  County  "Preschool  for   All"  model,  which  sets  a                                                               
benchmark  for   high-quality  programs  to   receive  additional                                                               
funding. This ensures  that public funds are  used effectively to                                                               
prepare young children for preschool and kindergarten.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:24:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN asked  what the intersection is  between child care                                                               
and Head Start access.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:24:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PORTER replied she get back to the committee with an answer.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:25:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN praised the Portland  program for ensuring that all                                                               
children have  access to child care  regardless of socio-economic                                                               
status, ethnicity, or disability.  She asked whether Alaska's use                                                               
of  state funds  for child  care programs  would ensure  the same                                                               
level of accessibility  and inclusivity, or if  the current child                                                               
care assistance program already provides that level of access.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:25:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PORTER  stated that the  Governor's Task Force on  Child Care                                                               
is focused on  increasing access to child care  and exploring how                                                               
the state and  the department can support that  effort. She added                                                               
that she would provide further information to the committee.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:25:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN  said she  just  wants  to  ensure that  when  the                                                               
public's funds  are used  everyone in the  public can  access the                                                               
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:26:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR referenced  art. VII, sec. 1,  Constitution of the                                                               
State of  Alaska, which says  no public  funds shall be  used for                                                               
the   direct  benefit   of  religious   or  private   educational                                                               
institutions. He  asked how the  state ensures that  public funds                                                               
are  not being  directed  toward religious  instruction in  early                                                               
child  care  programs,  given  that some  are  run  by  religious                                                               
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:26:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  PORTER  said she  was  unsure  and  would  get back  to  the                                                               
committee with her response.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:26:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  noted  that  his   question  was  asked  out  of                                                               
curiosity about  the existing program  and recognized that  HB 89                                                               
does not change the fundamental nature of the program.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON asked about the  percentage of child care assistance                                                               
enrollees  relative   to  the  total  clientele   in  child  care                                                               
facilities to  understand the payer  mix. He sought  to determine                                                               
whether  the  state is  the  primary  payer  in many  child  care                                                               
facilities and  questioned why  there is such  a high  demand for                                                               
child care  while facilities are  closing. He  speculated whether                                                               
more than  60 to 70 percent  of payments come from  the state and                                                               
if the market rates paid by  the state are lower than fair market                                                               
rates.  He also  asked whether  the  market study  will show  the                                                               
upper  bounds of  what  average families  who  don't qualify  for                                                               
assistance  are willing  to  pay. He  inquired  whether the  task                                                               
force  was  examining  the  economic   landscape  of  child  care                                                               
facilities in  Alaska to better  understand the  business aspects                                                               
of the sector.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:28:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PORTER stated  that the hope is that the  cost of care study,                                                               
conducted by the  McKinley Group, will provide some  of that data                                                               
and  analysis. The  study  aims  to look  beyond  just the  rates                                                               
charged  to  families and  should  address  some of  the  broader                                                               
economic questions  around child care. However,  the final report                                                               
is still  a couple months  away, and she expressed  optimism that                                                               
these  questions  could be  better  answered  once the  study  is                                                               
complete.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:29:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON  asked if there is  data on the payer  mix for child                                                               
care facilities,  specifically what  percentage of  enrollees are                                                               
covered  by  the  state  of  Alaska.  He  mentioned  that,  given                                                               
licensing and  capacity information, the state  should understand                                                               
how many  enrollees are  in these  programs and  how much  of the                                                               
cost the state is paying for.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:29:31 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   COULOMBE   apologized    that   the   department                                                               
representative  knowledgeable in  that area  was unavailable  but                                                               
assured that the department would  respond to all the committee's                                                               
questions. She  shared her observations from  visiting many child                                                               
care centers,  noting that the  payer mix varied and  no distinct                                                               
pattern  emerged,  although  area  seemed to  play  a  role.  She                                                               
mentioned that  center owners are  aware of subsidies  and assist                                                               
parents  with applying,  which helps  create  stability in  their                                                               
operations.  While it's  not a  formal  cost of  care study,  she                                                               
estimated  that  approximately  25  percent of  children  in  the                                                               
centers she visited were receiving some kind of subsidy.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:31:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON explained  that the  rationale behind  the line  of                                                               
questioning is to better understand  the business models of child                                                               
care  centers  and how  various  factors,  including the  state's                                                               
role, impact their success or  failure. He emphasized the need to                                                               
see how reliant these centers  are on state support and subsidies                                                               
and how that interplay affects their overall operations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE mentioned  that  the  child care  grants                                                               
were  discussed   extensively,  particularly  the   $7.5  million                                                               
allocated  last  year  along  with  remaining  COVID  funds.  She                                                               
explained that there has been  debate within the task force about                                                               
whether  to use  the grants  to subsidize  wages. She  shared her                                                               
preference  not to  subsidize wages,  based on  her field  visits                                                               
where  she learned  that  many  child care  centers  did not  use                                                               
COVID-related  grants for  wages.  Instead, funds  were used  for                                                               
other  needs such  as buying  vans, fixing  roofs, or  purchasing                                                               
equipment. While some centers did  use the grants for training or                                                               
wages, she noted  that it's difficult to ensure  that grant money                                                               
is  spent  as intended.  However,  the  grants were  crucial  for                                                               
keeping  many centers  open during  COVID, even  if they  weren't                                                               
always   directed  toward   wages  or   parental  assistance   as                                                               
originally intended.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:33:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON brought  up a  question  regarding recent  meetings                                                               
with independent  caretakers, noting  that rates had  been raised                                                               
twice. The caretakers  had hoped these increases  would go toward                                                               
wages.  He  mentioned  pending  federal  legislation  that  would                                                               
require 80  percent of payments to  go toward wages, up  from the                                                               
current  50 percent  rule.  He asked  whether  the department  is                                                               
considering  any  regulatory or  statutory  changes  to ensure  a                                                               
certain  percentage  of child  care  payments  would be  directed                                                               
toward wages.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:33:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PORTER confirmed  that the department is  looking at amending                                                               
both   licensing   regulations    and   child   care   assistance                                                               
regulations, and they are currently in that process.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:34:20 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE  acknowledged that  many want  to address                                                               
all the  issues facing child  care right now but  emphasized that                                                               
HB 89 is just  one piece of the solution. It  aims to involve the                                                               
private  sector and  improve the  subsidy  system. She  expressed                                                               
confidence  that   the  Commissioner  of  Health   is  addressing                                                               
concerns with  licensing regulations. She stated  her belief that                                                               
several key changes will help move things forward.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:34:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON held HB 89 in committee.                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CSHB 89 v U.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Sponsor Statement version U.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Sectional Analysis version U.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Summary of Changes from A to B.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Summary of Changes from B to S.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Summary of Changes ver. U 2.12.24.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB 89 FN 2 DOH DPA.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB 89 FN 3 DOR.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 News Stories.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 News Story-ADN Article 2.09.24.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 TFCC-Recommendations.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Letter of Support Recieved by 1.25.24.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Letter of Support Recieved by 2.24.24.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Public Testimony.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Support Letter Recieved by 2.13.24.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Support Letter-Recieved as of 2.16.2024.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Support Letter Recieved by 4.23.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
HB 89 Support Amer Heart Assoc.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
HB 89 Support UA Chad Hutchison State Director.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89
CSHB89 Presentation.pdf SHSS 3/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
HB 89