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04/25/2024 03:30 PM Senate STATE AFFAIRS

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03:30:39 PM Start
03:31:10 PM HB81
04:08:58 PM Adjourn
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         HB 81-VEHICLES/BOATS: TRANSFER ON DEATH TITLE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:31:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAWASAKI announced the consideration  of HOUSE BILL NO. 81,                                                               
"An Act relating to  the transfer of a title on  the death of the                                                               
owner; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:31:54 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  GEORGE   RAUSCHER,  District  29,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  sponsor of  HB 81,  read from  the                                                               
following sponsor statement:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                         House Bill 81                                                                                        
                       Sponsor Statement                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
       "An act relating to the transfer of a title on the                                                                       
       death of the owner; and providing for an effective                                                                       
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The process of probate in  the state of Alaska can take                                                                    
     anywhere  from six  months to  several  years, and  can                                                                    
     cost  family   members  and   beneficiaries  thousands,                                                                    
     potentially tens  of thousands of dollars  in legal and                                                                    
     filing fees.  While the  State Legislature  has already                                                                    
     taken  great strides  to reduce  the costs  of probate,                                                                    
     there is still much room for improvement.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:33:11 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER continued to read from the sponsor                                                                      
statement for HB 81:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     HB  81  continues  in  spirit  with  the  Uniform  Real                                                                    
     Property   Transfer  on   Death  Act   (URPTDA),  which                                                                    
     unanimously passed  both the House and  Senate in 2014.                                                                    
     URPTDA created the Transfer on  Death (TOD) deed, which                                                                    
     allows for  nonprobate transfers of real  property. TOD                                                                    
     deeds allow  Alaskans to select a  beneficiary who will                                                                    
     receive the property at their  passing and removes that                                                                    
     property from the process of probate.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     In 2016,  legislation similar to  HB 81  was introduced                                                                    
     but the  legislation failed to pass  that session. HB81                                                                    
     is nearly  identical, although  it expands  the concept                                                                    
     to apply  both to  vehicles and  boats that  are issued                                                                    
     titles through the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     HB 81 continues the ongoing  effort to reduce the costs                                                                    
     of  probate  for  Alaskans and  creates  a  streamlined                                                                    
     service  through   the  DMV  through  which   they  can                                                                    
     designate  beneficiaries   for  both  cars   and  boats                                                                    
     through  a   simple  form.  The  TOD   titles  will  be                                                                    
     available for all boats and  vehicles for which the DMV                                                                    
     provides  titles,  which   also  includes  some  mobile                                                                    
     manufactured homes under  AS 45.29.102(66). The program                                                                    
     will be self-sustaining through fees.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     At no  cost to  the state, HB  81 will  allow countless                                                                    
     Alaskans  to  pass  down   boats,  vehicles,  and  some                                                                    
     manufactured  homes to  beneficiaries  with more  ease,                                                                    
     and will  help simplify and streamline  the potentially                                                                    
     complicated,  costly, and  painful  process of  probate                                                                    
     following the death of a loved one.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:34:37 PM                                                                                                                    
RYAN MCKEE, Staff, Representative George Rauscher, Alaska State                                                                 
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, presented the sectional analysis                                                                   
for HB 81:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                         House Bill 81                                                                                        
            Vehicles/Boats: Transfer on Death Title                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                       Sectional Analysis                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1:                                                                                                               
     Adds a  new section under  AS 05.25 that  allows owners                                                                    
     of boats,  for which  the Department  of Administration                                                                    
     (DoA)  issues titles,  to obtain  a  transfer on  death                                                                    
     (TOD) title.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2:                                                                                                               
     Amends AS 13.33.101(a)  to add a transfer of  a boat or                                                                    
     vehicle  by  a  TOD  title  to  the  existing  list  of                                                                    
     acceptable nonprobate transferable property.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3:                                                                                                               
     Creates a  provision under AS  13.33 for a  transfer on                                                                    
     death (TOD)  title for boats and  vehicles. Creates and                                                                    
     defines  the mechanism  through the  Division of  Motor                                                                    
     Vehicles  (DMV),  by  which  individuals  will  obtain,                                                                    
     revoke,  or change  their transfer  on death  title and                                                                    
     defines the parameters of the transfer on death title.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     (a)-(c) Obtaining a TOD Title                                                                                            
        • Creates a provision under AS 13.33 for a transfer                                                                     
          on death title for vehicles and boats for which                                                                       
          DoA issues titles.                                                                                                    
             • This includes some manufactured homes for                                                                        
               which   the  DMV   issues  titles   under  AS                                                                    
               45.29.102(66).  These  homes  are  without  a                                                                    
               permanent  foundation  and  transportable  in                                                                    
               one  or  more  sections.  Requires  that  the                                                                    
               transfer   of   title   to   the   designated                                                                    
               beneficiary  occurs when  the  sole owner  or                                                                    
               last  surviving joint  owner  of the  vehicle                                                                    
               dies.                                                                                                            
        • Requires that owners of the boats or vehicles                                                                         
          file a form through the DMV and pay associated                                                                        
          fees to apply for a TOD title.                                                                                        
        • Limits the TOD titles to two beneficiaries.                                                                           
3:36:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MCKEE continued his presentation of the sectional analysis                                                                  
for HB 81:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    (d)   TOD   titles    effective   without   notice   or                                                                   
     consideration                                                                                                            
        • Provides that TOD titles will not require notice                                                                      
          or acceptance by the designated beneficiary.                                                                          
        • Provides that TOD titles will not be subject to                                                                       
          consideration, the process by which there is an                                                                       
          exchange or "quid pro quo" required from the                                                                          
          recipient of the assets.                                                                                              
             • Language taken from TOD deed statute under                                                                       
               AS 13.48.060.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     (e) TOD titles are nontestamentary                                                                                       
        • States that TOD titles are nontestamentary,                                                                           
          meaning that the associated vehicles do not need                                                                      
          to be provided for in the decedents will.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     (f)-(g) Revocation or Change to TOD titles                                                                               
        • Provides that the owner may revoke or change the                                                                      
          designated beneficiary on the TOD at any time                                                                         
          without the beneficiary's consent.                                                                                    
        • Explains the process by which owners may revoke                                                                       
          or change a TOD title.                                                                                                
             • The owner can either assign and deliver the                                                                      
               certificate of title for the vehicle to                                                                          
               another person, thereby revoking the TOD                                                                         
               title, or;                                                                                                       
             • file with the DMV to reissue the title                                                                           
               without a designated beneficiary or with a                                                                       
               different designated beneficiary.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
         (h) Designated beneficiaries right to disclaim                                                                       
     interest                                                                                                                 
        • Allows designated beneficiaries to refuse the                                                                         
          boat or vehicle designated to them in a TOD                                                                           
          title.                                                                                                                
             • Language taken from TOD deed statute under                                                                       
               AS 13.48.100.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        (i) TOD titles subject to decedent's creditors,                                                                       
     contracts, etc.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MCKEE continued his presentation of the sectional analysis                                                                  
for HB 81:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Subjects  the  TOD   title  to  creditor's  claims                                                                    
          against the  owner's estate, as  well as  to other                                                                    
          interests,    contracts,   liens,    encumbrances,                                                                    
          assignments, and other interests.                                                                                     
        • These  interests remain  attached to  the boat  or                                                                    
          vehicle after it is  transferred to the designated                                                                    
          beneficiary.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     (j-m) Enforcing liability upon TOD titles                                                                                
        • Imposes   the   same  procedures   for   enforcing                                                                    
          liability upon  TOD titles that is  applied to TOD                                                                    
          deeds under AS 13.48.110 and AS 13.48.088.                                                                            
        • Provides  that the  estate  may enforce  liability                                                                    
          against boats  or vehicles with TOD  titles if the                                                                    
          owner's estate does not cover an allowed claim.                                                                       
        • States that if there  are multiple vehicles and/or                                                                    
          boats, and  a liability  exists in  the deceased's                                                                    
          estate, the liability will  be apportioned to each                                                                    
          asset in  proportion to its  net value.   Requires                                                                    
          that  a proceeding  to  enforce  a liability  must                                                                    
          begin within 12 months  of the owner's passing and                                                                    
          can  only   begin  once  proper   notification  to                                                                    
          beneficiaries has occurred.                                                                                           
        • Stipulates that  TOD titles  do not  affect rights                                                                    
          of ownership before the owner's  death, and do not                                                                    
          affect  rights of  the  designated beneficiary  or                                                                    
          creditors of the owner(s).                                                                                            
        • TOD  titles   do  not  give  legal   or  equitable                                                                    
          preference to the designated beneficiary.                                                                             
        • TOD    titles    do    not    affect    designated                                                                    
          beneficiaries'   eligibility   for  state   public                                                                    
          assistance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      (n-p) Uniform standard of survivorship, requirements                                                                    
     to receive TOD title                                                                                                     
        • Requires that  the designated  beneficiary survive                                                                    
          the previous owner by 120 hours.                                                                                      
        • Requires  that the  designated beneficiary  submit                                                                    
          proof of the owner's  death and an application and                                                                    
          associated fees to the DMV. If there are two                                                                          
          beneficiaries listed on the TOD title, they                                                                           
          become joint owners.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:40:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MCKEE continued his presentation of the sectional analysis                                                                  
for HB 81:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     (q) TOD titles may not be changed by other instruments                                                                   
        • Provides that TOD titles may only be changed by                                                                       
          the process outlined in section 3 and not by a                                                                        
          will or any other instrument.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     (r)                                                                                                                      
          Gives the DoA authority to develop regulations to                                                                     
          implement the TOD titles, establish necessary                                                                         
          forms and fees, etc.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     (s) Definitions                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4:                                                                                                               
     Amends  AS  13.48.110(c)  to add  a  person  acting  on                                                                    
     behalf of the  surviving spouse of the  decedent to the                                                                    
     list  of people  who  may demand  to enforce  liability                                                                    
     against the decedents' property.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5:                                                                                                               
     Adds  a  new  section  to  AS  28.10.275,  relating  to                                                                    
     vehicle  titles,  to  clearly   state  that  owners  of                                                                    
     vehicles for which  the DMV issues titles  may obtain a                                                                    
     TOD title.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6:                                                                                                               
     Gives   the   DoA   authority  to   develop   necessary                                                                    
     regulations.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7:                                                                                                               
     Applies  an immediate  effective date  to section  5 of                                                                    
     the   bill  to   allow   the   department  to   develop                                                                    
     regulations.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8:                                                                                                               
     Applies  an  effective date  of  July  1, 2024  to  the                                                                    
     legislation except for sections 5 and 7.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:41:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN said  that this is essentially  the same structure                                                               
as an Individual  Retirement Account (IRA) or a  bank account. He                                                               
briefly  explained  how  this  process   works  for  banking.  He                                                               
commented that banks or IRA  companies provide a certain level of                                                               
confidence,  because  the  signed  documents are  held  by  these                                                               
companies,  rather than  by  individuals. He  asked  if there  is                                                               
anticipation for  the signed documents associated  with titles to                                                               
be  on  file with  the  DMV  or whether  they  would  be held  by                                                               
individuals in their homes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCKEE deferred this question to invited testifiers.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:43:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN explained  that he  is concerned  about potential                                                               
document  fraud. He  said he  supports HB  81 but  would like  to                                                               
ensure  identity protection.  He suggested  that DMV  holding the                                                               
documents could be a solution.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:44:32 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  offered his understanding  that ensuring                                                               
that the correct name is on  the title prior to the owner's death                                                               
would address this issue.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:44:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN stated that this  does not address his concern and                                                               
added  that, once  the  owner is  deceased, there  is  a risk  of                                                               
forgery.  This is  not an  issue with  the banks,  because action                                                               
must  be  taken  through  the  bank  in  order  to  change  one's                                                               
beneficiary. He  reiterated his concern that  someone could forge                                                               
the  documents if  they  are  not held  in  a  safe location  and                                                               
suggested  that measures  could be  put in  place to  ensure that                                                               
this does not occur.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:46:14 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER replied  that he  could provide  further                                                               
information to the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CLAMAN expressed  willingness to  consider an  amendment                                                               
that would address this issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:46:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAWASAKI  asked why  HB 81  is limited  to boats  and motor                                                               
vehicles.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:47:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MCKEE replied  that aircraft  are regulated  by the  Federal                                                               
Aviation  Administration  (FAA) and  are  thus  not eligible  for                                                               
state regulation. He added that boats  that are over 24 feet must                                                               
be dealt with by the coast guard.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:47:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  KAWASAKI asked  to whom  -  or to  which entity  - TOD  is                                                               
transferred to.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MCKEE replied  that TOD  would  be transferred  to a  family                                                               
member. However,  any associated  debts owed  on the  title would                                                               
follow.  He  explained that  the  recipient  is not  required  to                                                               
accept the gift.  With respect to the question  of title forgery,                                                               
he said  that TOD  is a  new license that  is issued  through the                                                               
DMV. He explained that this would  require the owners of the boat                                                               
or vehicle  to fill  out new forms  and pay fees  at the  DMV. If                                                               
someone were  to simply write their  name on the title  and claim                                                               
it as  their own,  it would not  be on file  with the  DMV office                                                               
(and fees would  not have been paid), and therefore  would not be                                                               
valid.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:49:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN opined that unless the  title on file with the DMV                                                               
states who the  title is transferring to, the  issue remains. The                                                               
owner could potentially take a  blank document home, to be filled                                                               
in at  a later date. He  surmised that being required  to provide                                                               
the name of the individual  receiving the title transfer when the                                                               
paperwork is filled  out (and fees are paid) at  the DMV would be                                                               
a  better   safeguard.  He   said  the   banks  have   rules  and                                                               
regulations, which  provide higher confidence that  a transfer on                                                               
death title would not be manipulated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:51:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MCKEE said  he would  seek clarification.  He added  that if                                                               
this  is not  already addressed  by HB  51, he  would work  on an                                                               
amendment to create specific guidelines.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:51:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  commented that there  may be  other alternatives.                                                               
He reiterated  that part of  the transfer on death  title process                                                               
could require  that the title recipient  be on file with  the DMV                                                               
in order to mitigate the risk.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:52:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN joined the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:52:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAWASAKI announced invited testimony for HB 81.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
LINDA  HULBERT, representing  self, Fairbanks,  Alaska, testified                                                               
in  support  of HB  81.  She  said she  has  worked  in the  life                                                               
insurance  industry  for  the  past  35  years.  She  stated  she                                                               
consults  with people  who need  to plan  for retirement  and the                                                               
transfer  of  assets.  These  assets   often  include  boats  and                                                               
motorhomes,  which muddy  up the  probate process.  She suggested                                                               
that  not  having to  go  through  probate would  mitigate  these                                                               
issues.  She said  that the  transfer on  death title  process is                                                               
simple  and  inexpensive.  She opined  that  this  process  makes                                                               
sense.  She explained  the practical  benefits this  change would                                                               
provide  her clients,  including financial  savings that  results                                                               
from  avoiding probate.  She  stated that  this  method of  asset                                                               
transfer is efficient - and the recipient is simple to change.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:55:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HULBERT said  that many  Alaskans  desire a  straightforward                                                               
estate  transfer process  that  does not  create  extra work  for                                                               
their loved  ones. She  reiterated that  avoiding probate  is one                                                               
way to  achieve this goal. She  emphasized that HB 81  creates an                                                               
easier, more  positive process for  Alaskans. She  suggested that                                                               
the TOD should  be kept on file somewhere -  and others should be                                                               
informed of  the TOD. She  stated that  proper planning is  key -                                                               
and  this requires  the ability  to create  a TOD  for a  boat or                                                               
motorhome. She  emphasized the benefit  of TOD  as a part  of the                                                               
beneficiary  designation process.  She  stated  that many  people                                                               
would benefit from the simplification that HB 81 would provide.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:57:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAWASAKI asked when it is necessary to go through probate.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:57:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HULBERT  replied  that  "probate"   means  that  someone  is                                                               
changing  a  title  -  and  it   is  a  question  of  value.  She                                                               
acknowledged that someone  with a legal background  would need to                                                               
be  consulted   to  explain  this   in  detail  and   shared  her                                                               
understanding that probate applies  to undesignated estate assets                                                               
that  are  over  $60,000.  She   briefly  described  the  probate                                                               
process. She noted  that this is an expensive  process and shared                                                               
a story to illustrate this.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:01:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  KAWASAKI asked  how simple  the process  is to  transfer a                                                               
minivan.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:02:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  explained that if  there is  a will and  no other                                                               
measures to avoid  probate were taken, the transfer  of the title                                                               
would be addressed in probate court.  He noted that the intent of                                                               
a transfer  on death  title is  to avoid  this, along  with other                                                               
mechanisms  in  the  estate  plan  that  are  designed  to  avoid                                                               
probate. He stated  that the goal is to transfer  assets (e.g. an                                                               
IRA or savings account) based  on instructions. He commented that                                                               
not everyone  has a will  and briefly explained the  process that                                                               
occurs when the  deceased did not have a will.  He explained that                                                               
the transfer  on death title would  avoid both the instance  of a                                                               
will that  results in  probate and the  process that  occurs when                                                               
the deceased did not have a will.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:04:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MARIAM  HALL,  Marketing  and  Communications  Coordinator,  Peak                                                               
Trust Company, Anchorage, Alaska, testified  in support of HB 81.                                                               
She  said  that  she  also represents  Alaska  Trust  and  Estate                                                               
Professionals (ATEP). She stated that  HB 81 has the potential to                                                               
reduce probate costs  in Alaska and added  that, with appropriate                                                               
planning,  would  potentially  reduce the  administrative  burden                                                               
within the court system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:06:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAWASAKI  opened public testimony  on HB 81;  finding none,                                                               
he closed public testimony.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:07:02 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  expressed gratitude  for the  hearing on                                                               
HB 81. He  stated that there have been several  requests for this                                                               
legislation,  which   has  taken  several  years   to  draft.  He                                                               
explained that during this time, the  scope of HB 81 was expanded                                                               
to include cars and boats.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:07:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAWASAKI held HB 81 in committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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