Legislature(2025 - 2026)BARNES 124

02/10/2025 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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03:15:47 PM Start
03:16:16 PM Presentation(s): Housing in Alaska, Opportunities and Challenges
04:15:10 PM HB80
04:52:54 PM HB34
05:18:42 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation: Housing in Alaska, Opportunities TELECONFERENCED
and Challenges
Melanie Bahnke, Housing Alaskans Public Private
Partnership; Mike Robbins, Anchorage Community
Development Authority; Shaun Debenham, Debenham,
LLC; Griffin Hagle-Forster, Alaska Association of
Housing Authorities; Mindy O’Neill, Cold Climate
Housing Research Center
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
*+ HB 80 RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CODE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
*+ HB 34 AK INNOVATION COUNCIL TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                HB 80-RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CODE                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:15:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced  that the next order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 80, "An Act relating to  minimum standards for                                                               
residential buildings;  relating to construction  contractors and                                                               
residential  contractor  endorsements;  establishing  the  Alaska                                                               
State Residential  Building Safety Council; and  providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:16:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRISTAN WALSH,  Staff, Representative Carolyn Hall,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  presented HB  80  on behalf  of  the bill  sponsor,                                                               
House   Labor  and   Commerce   Standing   Committee,  on   which                                                               
Representative Hall  serves as co-chair.   He began  a PowerPoint                                                               
[hard  copy  included in  the  committee  file], titled  "HB  80:                                                               
State Residential  Building Code."   He stated that the  State of                                                               
Alaska has  local jurisdictions with  building codes.   He stated                                                               
that,  outside of  local  jurisdictions,  the International  Code                                                               
Council (ICC)  acts as  the governing body  for regulations.   He                                                               
reported  that  the  Alaska Housing  Finance  Corporation  (AHFC)                                                               
adopted  ICC's International  Building Code  of 2018  and further                                                               
reported that AHFC is in  the process of considering the adoption                                                               
of  ICC's International  Building Code  of 2024.   He  stated the                                                               
[ICC] code is updated every three years.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH stated  that building  codes create  minimum standards                                                               
with  the  primary  goal  being  the  safety  of  the  occupants.                                                               
According  to  studies done  by  ICC  and the  Federal  Emergency                                                               
Management  Agency (FEMA),  65 percent  of counties,  cities, and                                                               
towns across the  United States have not  adopted modern building                                                               
codes.   He reported that  50 percent of construction  done post-                                                               
2000  follows the  standard set  by  the ICC.   Additionally,  he                                                               
reported  that   30  percent  of   new  construction   occurs  in                                                               
communities with no codes or codes  that have not been updated in                                                               
at least 20 years.  He stated  that AHFC has adopted both the ICC                                                               
and the  International Residential Code (IRC)  with modifications                                                               
to accommodate for "local context."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH gave  an  overview  of the  benefits  of the  proposed                                                               
legislation.   He reported  that studies  done by  the [National]                                                               
Institute  of Building  Sciences (NIBS)  in 2019  found that  the                                                               
adoption of IRC codes were  cost-saving, with $11 saved for every                                                               
$1  invested.    Additionally,  these studies  found  that  cost-                                                               
savings  extended  to retrofits  and  use  of federal  mitigation                                                               
grants.  He  stated that, as communities face  challenges such as                                                               
flooding, hurricane  surges, high  wind events,  earthquakes, and                                                               
fires related  to climate  change, the  adoption of  modern codes                                                               
increases  the  resiliency  of  structures  and  creates  a  more                                                               
durable  housing stock  for Alaska.    Additionally, he  asserted                                                               
that  building to  a higher  code would  save money  in terms  of                                                               
state/federal emergency  appropriations in  times of crisis.   He                                                               
cited  a graph  on  slide 6,  displaying how  much  the State  of                                                               
Alaska has invested  in retrofits, and he noted that  there is $4                                                               
saved for  every $1  invested in retrofits.   Finally,  Mr. Walsh                                                               
cited a study  conducted by the U.S. Department  of Energy across                                                               
seven states that found the  adoption of modern codes resulted in                                                               
"significant savings."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH, referencing slide 8,  outlined consumer protections of                                                               
the  proposed  legislation,  which   read  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Requires residential contractors to test and show                                                                     
         expertise in state building code for ongoing licensing                                                                 
         in residential contracting.                                                                                            
          Exempts owner-builds and recreational cabins.                                                                         
          Creates protections for consumers by ensuring                                                                         
         compliance by residential constructors with a uniform                                                                  
         code outside of local jurisdictions.                                                                                   
MR. WALSH,  in conclusion, talked about  the relationship between                                                               
HB 80  and AHFC.   He reiterated that  AHFC has adopted  the 2018                                                               
ICC Standards  and is  considering the adoption  of the  2024 ICC                                                               
Standards.  He  noted that financiers typically  look at building                                                               
codes in determination  of loan applications.  He  stated that HB
80  would authorize  AHFC to  enforce regulations.   Finally,  he                                                               
stated that  HB 80 would  establish the Alaska  State Residential                                                               
Building  Safety Council  with the  purpose of  advising AHFC  on                                                               
regulations through public feedback on the proposed changes.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:22:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  clarified that this is  the first hearing                                                               
on  HB  80  and  the   committee  had  previously  heard  invited                                                               
testimony on housing, but not on building codes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  stated that proposed legislation  was the result                                                               
of  a  request from  the  Alaska  State Homebuilding  Association                                                               
(ASHBA).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:22:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  TWAIT, Builder,  Cornerstone  Custom Homes  & Design,  gave                                                               
invited testimony  and answered  questions during the  hearing on                                                               
HB 80.   He stated that he  is a builder in Kenai,  Alaska, and a                                                               
member of the Alaska State  Home Building Association.  He stated                                                               
that ASHBA has been attempting to  involve the State of Alaska in                                                               
residential building codes for about  two decades.  Initially, he                                                               
explained,  the  system  was voluntary,  with  paid  inspections.                                                               
After  that,  the  statewide building  code  was  constructed  to                                                               
include everyone,  homeowners and  builders, and was  intended to                                                               
serve  as  the  code  for   every  residential  home  in  Alaska.                                                               
Finally, the scope  of the building code was  narrowed, to target                                                               
just   residential   contractors    with   continuing   education                                                               
requirements such  that they  would be  required to  meet minimum                                                               
standards.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TWAIT  asserted  that  residential  codes  exist  for  life,                                                               
safety, health, and  sustainability.  He provided  an anecdote on                                                               
smoke  detectors and  egress windows,  emphasizing that  there is                                                               
potential for death due to not building to a minimum code.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TWAIT  further  stated  that  it  is  difficult  to  totally                                                               
quantify the increased  cost of building to code as  it is highly                                                               
dependent on  how far one  deviates from  the building code.   He                                                               
maintained  that, although  it may  be  cheaper up  front not  to                                                               
build to  code, in the  long-term, the payback  is insurmountable                                                               
with regard  to sustainability, maintenance, heating  costs, life                                                               
safety issues, et cetera.  He  asserted that ASHBA should do more                                                               
consumer outreach  and education to  aid in raising  the standard                                                               
for building.  He stated that he is in support of HB 80.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:27:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  stated that home insurance  markets are changing                                                               
rapidly  and there  are  insurers refusing  to  insure homes  not                                                               
built to  minimum standards.   He noted that some  weather events                                                               
in Alaska  include wildfires  and high wind  events.   He further                                                               
asked  Mr. Twait  how building  to minimum  standards might  help                                                               
with insurance coverage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWAIT  commented that licensed  residential builders  are not                                                               
building to code due to  affordability, as consumers are not able                                                               
to  afford  it.    To  address the  issue  of  affordability,  he                                                               
suggested an  inclusion of a  disclosure statement  with detailed                                                               
code deficiencies as a possible amendment to the legislation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:29:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  reiterated  that  one  of  the  biggest                                                               
barriers to  construction is  red tape.   She offered  her belief                                                               
that  HB 80  would  increase  red tape  and  cost for  [licensed]                                                               
builders.   She asked whether the  extension of a bond  could fix                                                               
the  problem of  "bad  actors"  in the  building  industry.   She                                                               
queried whether HB  80 would help increase  available housing and                                                               
pondered  on the  impacts of  the proposed  legislation in  rural                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TWAIT  responded that  the  proposed  legislation would  not                                                               
require  additional  permits;  rather, all  licensed  contractors                                                               
with continuing education  credits would be required  to build to                                                               
a certain  minimum standard.   He  provided an  anecdote, stating                                                               
that, currently,  a licensed builder could  legally build outside                                                               
of  city  limits  without  a   minimum  standard.    Further,  he                                                               
continued  that, were  an  earthquake to  destroy  a house  built                                                               
outside  of local  jurisdictions,  the homeowners  would have  no                                                               
legal standing against  the licensed contractor.   He stated that                                                               
extending  a bond  could help;  however,  he opined  that may  be                                                               
harder to implement than a residential statewide building code.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:32:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BURKE commented that  a statewide residential code                                                               
would provide  necessary structure.   She noted  that there  is a                                                               
lack of  resources and emergency  services in rural Alaska.   She                                                               
asserted that  fewer codes  put more  residential units  and more                                                               
residents at risk.  She offered her appreciation for HB 80.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:33:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  asked  why  local  governments  do  not                                                               
create their own building standards,  and offered her belief that                                                               
adopting standards would  raise the costs.  She  noted that there                                                               
are municipalities with existing building codes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS offered his belief  that the codes proposed by HB
80 are  not as strict as  those of the Municipality  of Anchorage                                                               
(MOA).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:34:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH stated  that HB  80, as  currently drafted,  would not                                                               
preclude local jurisdictions from adopting another standard.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:34:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  clarified  that,   were  HB  80  to  be                                                               
implemented in  a community that  doesn't have a local  code, not                                                               
in a  community that already  has one, that  particular community                                                               
would not  have a  lot of  flexibility in  the adoption  of local                                                               
codes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:35:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TWAIT responded  that  a community  could  adopt a  stricter                                                               
code.  If  the Kenai Peninsula Borough decided to  adopt the 2021                                                               
ICC Standards,  it could  amend certain  stipulations out  of the                                                               
code; however, once the standard  is set, licensed builders could                                                               
not build to less than the adopted standards.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWAIT further stated that  typically ASHBA is a right-leaning                                                               
organization  and prefers  limited government,  which underscores                                                               
the  gravity of  the  issue.   He emphasized  that  the State  of                                                               
Idaho,  a  state  that is  more  conservative  leaning,  recently                                                               
adopted  a statewide  building  code.   He  reiterated that  only                                                               
licensed builders  would be subject  to the  proposed legislation                                                               
under HB 80, not owner builders.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:37:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS asked Mr. Twait  to speak to specific examples of                                                               
extreme weather  in Alaska  and that houses  built to  a standard                                                               
are less  likely to  need repair or  "fall apart"  during extreme                                                               
weather events.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TWAIT responded  that, from  the foundation  up, there  is a                                                               
pathway of  connections built into  a residence.  He  stated that                                                               
there  is a  vast  array  of climates  and  conditions in  Alaska                                                               
identified in the codebook, such  as seismic events, extreme cold                                                               
and darkness, and high wind events.   Further, he stated that the                                                               
codebook  has  outlined   methodologies  for  addressing  region-                                                               
specific weather events.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:39:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK  asked if  all construction  projects, new                                                               
and existing, would be subject to the proposed legislation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:39:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  offered his belief that  HB 80 would apply  to all new                                                               
construction going  forward.  He  repeated that AHFC  had already                                                               
implemented the ICC's International Building  Code of 2018 and is                                                               
considering the implementation of the ICC's 2024 code.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:40:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK  echoed Representative  Burke's  comments                                                               
about the  importance of a building  code in rural areas  for the                                                               
protection  of  the residents.    Further,  she asked  about  the                                                               
barriers to the adoption of local codes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:41:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWAIT reported  that Kenai, Soldotna, and  Homer have adopted                                                               
local  building codes,  which represent  approximately two-thirds                                                               
of  the   population  on  the   Kenai  Peninsula  Borough.     He                                                               
highlighted the importance of education  in the adoption of local                                                               
codes, as  there are residents that  view the adoption of  a code                                                               
as intrusive governance, not as a measure of ensuring safety.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK  queried  whether  a  statewide  standard                                                               
would actually  be easier  than local  codes in  every community.                                                               
She  noted  that most  [licensed]  contractors  work in  multiple                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWAIT  explained that  the State Fire  Marshal has  adopted a                                                               
statewide  building code  for commercial  buildings.   He offered                                                               
his  belief that  it would  not  be a  "big stretch"  to adopt  a                                                               
statewide    building    code    for    residential    buildings.                                                               
Additionally,  he  noted that  local  communities  could adopt  a                                                               
stricter code than HB 80.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:42:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER clarified that if  a small town or village                                                               
had to  follow a statewide  building code  but wanted to  adopt a                                                               
local building  code, the  code could not  be "less  strict" than                                                               
the statewide  building code.   Further,  he asked  whether there                                                               
were exemptions  to adherence to the  proposed statewide building                                                               
code.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWAIT deferred to AHFC.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:43:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIMMY  ORD,  Director of  Research  &  Rural Development,  Alaska                                                               
Housing Finance  Corporation, as  an invited  testifier, answered                                                               
questions during  the hearing on HB  80.  He responded  that AHFC                                                               
has  adopted  a  statewide  building  code  [ICC's  International                                                               
Building Code  of 2018]  with some  "Alaska-specific" amendments.                                                               
He offered his understanding that, under  Section 9 of HB 80, the                                                               
statewide  building   code  would  be  the   ICC's  International                                                               
Building Code of 2018 that AHFC has already adopted.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:44:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER clarified  that a  village or  town could                                                               
have its  own code,  but it  must still  adhere to  the statewide                                                               
code.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWAIT confirmed that was his understanding.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER, looking  at slide  7 of  the PowerPoint,                                                               
titled "HB  80:   State Residential  Building Code,"  queried the                                                               
commensurate estimate of costs of  implementing new technology or                                                               
standards.  He quoted the bullet  point, stating that there is an                                                               
estimated "5-7 percent  efficiency gained by the  adoption of new                                                               
technology or standards."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH stated  that he  would  follow-up with  Representative                                                               
Saddler.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:45:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MINDY O'NEALL, Executive Director,  Cold Climate Housing Research                                                               
Center (CCHRC), gave  invited testimony during the  hearing on HB
80.  She began by stating,  in [2018], a 7.0 magnitude earthquake                                                               
struck Anchorage, Alaska.  She  reported that, within the MOA, 40                                                               
buildings  suffered significant  structural  failure  due to  the                                                               
earthquake.   She stated that  of the 40 buildings  that suffered                                                               
structural  failure, 95  percent (38  of the  40 buildings)  were                                                               
located in areas without [residential] code enforcement.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEALL stated  that CCHRC is in support of  the enactment of                                                               
a   statewide    building   code   with    "sensible,   compliant                                                               
alternatives" to "account for regional  differences."  She stated                                                               
that weatherization programs have saved  an average of 28 percent                                                               
on  energy bills  for  residents  in Alaska.    With the  stunted                                                               
projections  of  natural  gas availability  in  Cook  Inlet,  Ms.                                                               
O'Neall asserted, prioritizing  energy efficiency reduces heating                                                               
loss.   She noted that in  Fairbanks, heating loss leads  to poor                                                               
air quality and  poor health conditions.  In  rural Alaska, where                                                               
diesel  is  barged into  communities,  communities  are paying  a                                                               
"premium price" to stay warm.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.   O'NEALL  asserted   that  the   adoption  of   a  statewide                                                               
residential  code would  increase  safety  standards and  protect                                                               
homeowners.     She  maintained  that  a   statewide  code  would                                                               
establish a  standard, so  that, regardless  of region,  town, or                                                               
village,  the "basics  are  the  same."   She  stated that  local                                                               
jurisdictions without  statewide standards create a  patchwork of                                                               
codes,  such  as  the  State  of  Missouri,  which  is  currently                                                               
instituting  a statewide  building  code to  simplify and  reduce                                                               
barriers of different codes per jurisdiction.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEALL stated there are  proven techniques readily available                                                               
to  apply region-specific  codes  to avoid  increasing costs  and                                                               
burden  of construction.   She  offered a  few examples,  such as                                                               
optional  exemptions  for  communities  with  small  populations,                                                               
using performance-based codes  over prescriptive-based codes, and                                                               
allowing   a  longer   timeframe   for   compliance  from   local                                                               
jurisdictions.   She reported that  CCHRC is a good  resource for                                                               
best practices  that meet  environmental conditions  and climates                                                               
that vary  widely across  Alaska.  She  stated the  existing AHFC                                                               
"Alaska-specific"  amendments  were  written  with  the  goal  of                                                               
ensuring  sustainable  and durable  homes.    She argued  that  a                                                               
statewide building code would not  create barriers to residential                                                               
construction, rural or urban.   She echoed other speakers, saying                                                               
that  HB  80 would  not  affect  anyone  who  is not  a  licensed                                                               
contractor.   She  concluded  that swift  and  certain action  is                                                               
necessary to meet the [housing] needs of Alaska residents.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:49:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER commented  that  HB 80  would  be a  far-                                                               
reaching  change  to housing  and  construction  in Alaska.    He                                                               
stated his desire  to hear more testimony  regarding the proposed                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS   stated  his   intention  to  hear   from  more                                                               
homebuilders.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:51:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  stressed  the  importance  of  weighing                                                               
public  safety   issues  against  increased  housing   costs  and                                                               
regulatory burden.   She maintained  that Anchorage is  a perfect                                                               
example  [of the  increased regulatory  burden].   She  cautioned                                                               
that the  proposed legislation could increase  both housing costs                                                               
and regulatory burden.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS  stated  the  committee  would  like  additional                                                               
follow-up on the  cost gap between meeting a  minimum standard as                                                               
proposed under  HB 80 and  current costs for  building throughout                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced that HB 80 was held over.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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3. HB 34 Sponsor Statement version A.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 34
4. HB 34 Sectional Analysis version A.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 34
6. HB 34 Testimony - Received 1.30.25.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 34
HB 34 Fiscal Note - AIDEA.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 34
HB 34 Fiscal Note - DCCED.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 34
1. HB0080A.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
2. HB 80 Version N Sponsor Statement 2.7.2025.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
3. HB 80 Ver N Sectional Analysis 2.7.2025.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
4. HB 80 Supporting Document - N144-AK-Building-Energy-Efficiency-Standard.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
5. HB 80 Supporting Document - 2018_IECC_Alaska_Specific_Amendments.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
6. HB 80 Fiscal Note - DPS.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
7. HB 80 Fiscal Note - DOR - AHFC.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
8. HB 80 Fiscal Note - DCCED.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
House Bill 34 Alaska Innovation Council - LC Presentation.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 34
HB 80 Supporting Document-Residential Building Safety Code PPT 2.10.2025.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 80
HB 34 Supporting Document - Where to Start - 2024 version.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 34
ACDA Legislative testimony 1.10.25.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
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HB 80 Supporting Document-Letter of Support-ASHSC_HB80_Support_2025-03-03.pdf HL&C 2/10/2025 3:15:00 PM
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