Legislature(2025 - 2026)ADAMS 519

04/09/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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Heard & Held
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Heard & Held
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Moved HB 10 Out of Committee
HOUSE BILL NO. 73                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to complex care residential homes;                                                                        
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster moved to the next item on the agenda.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:05:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  RICCI,  DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF  HEALTH,                                                                    
introduced  the bill.  She  relayed that  the  bill was  the                                                                    
result  of  a  collaborative  effort by  the  Department  of                                                                    
Family and  Community Services (DFCS) and  the Department of                                                                    
Health (DOH). The  bill focused on developing  a new license                                                                    
type  to fill  a critical  care gap  in residential  care in                                                                    
Alaska for those with complex needs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  LAWRENCE,  CHIEF   MEDICAL  OFFICER,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
HEALTH,  introduced  the  PowerPoint  presentation  "HB  73:                                                                    
Complex  Care  Residential  Homes" dated  February  6,  2025                                                                    
(copy  on file).  He  continued  to slide  2  titled "HB  73                                                                    
Supports Alaska's System of Care                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     HB 73 strengthens Alaska's health care system,                                                                             
     enabling Alaskans to access services in settings                                                                           
     tailored to their specific care needs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  the  vision  for   the  regulation  that  was                                                                    
developed in  partnership between  DFCS and  DOH as  part of                                                                    
the   Complex  Care   Initiative.  He   detailed  that   the                                                                    
initiative brought  together two  "foundational components."                                                                    
The  first was  a  case  response team  that  met weekly  to                                                                    
review   individual   cases   and  develop   solutions   for                                                                    
individual  care  needs.  The  second  was  a  higher  level                                                                    
complex care committee that met  quarterly to review systems                                                                    
and   policies    from   information   gathered    via   the                                                                    
collaborative work  of identifying  systems gaps  in complex                                                                    
cases. The bill's inception was born out of the work.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Lawrence pointed  to slide  3 titled  "What Is  Complex                                                                    
Care                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Definition: Co-occurring behavioral, medical, or                                                                           
     disability-related    needs    requiring    a    multi-                                                                    
     disciplinary team and multiple programs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Vision:    A   coordinated    system   that    delivers                                                                    
     compassionate, timely, and person-centered care for                                                                        
     the most vulnerable and complex Alaskans.                                                                                  
Dr.  Lawrence  elaborated   that  while  services  currently                                                                    
existed  to  meet  the vast  majority  of  individuals  with                                                                    
medical or mental health conditions,  the team recognized an                                                                    
existing  gap for  a subset  of individuals  with compounded                                                                    
severe  or extreme  behaviors in  mental  health or  medical                                                                    
conditions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Lawrence turned  to  slide 4  titled  "What Is  Complex                                                                    
Care?  and continued with the  discussion. He expounded that                                                                    
the  complex  care  committees identified  patterns  in  the                                                                    
response  to  individuals  with  mental  health  or  complex                                                                    
medical  care  needs.  The individuals  received  care  from                                                                    
multiple  different  professionals   in  different  agencies                                                                    
across various systems.  Without a compassionate appropriate                                                                    
setting  the  individuals   often  cycle  through  emergency                                                                    
departments,    correctional    facilities,   and    various                                                                    
hospitals.  They utilize  multiple  different services  like                                                                    
social  services, medical  care, substance  abuse treatment,                                                                    
etc.  It  was  often  complicated by  an  array  of  medical                                                                    
conditions and unmanageable  and disruptive behaviors making                                                                    
it difficult  for the  various staff to  deal with.  He felt                                                                    
that a  Complex Care Residential Homes  (CCRHs) license type                                                                    
was critical  to build a  "continuum" that  allowed Alaskans                                                                    
with  complex needs  "to live  their best  lives in  a least                                                                    
restrictive type setting."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:10:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci highlighted slide 5 titled "What Does HB 73 Do                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     HB 73 creates the necessary statutory framework to                                                                         
     allow the Department of Health to license and regulate                                                                     
     a new setting:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Complex Care Residential                                                                                              
          Homes (CCRHs)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ricci  delineated  that  the  department  envisioned  a                                                                    
homelike setting  that was specific  to the  different types                                                                    
of  specialized services  and populations  where care  needs                                                                    
were met  through a multi-disciplinary  support team  and 24                                                                    
hour seven (24/7) day a  week care. The needs exceeded those                                                                    
that could be met by the current continuum of care.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci discussed Slide 6 titled  "CCRHs Fill a Gap in the                                                                    
Care Continuum                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     There is a gap in Alaska's current continuum of care                                                                       
     for ongoing, specialized residential settings.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci  pointed to the  graphic that illustrated  the gap                                                                    
in care  and how CCRHs  would meet  the gap. She  pointed to                                                                    
the  right side  of the  slide listing  the acute  settings:                                                                    
Residential  Psychiatric Treatment  Center, Skilled  Nursing                                                                    
Facility,  Inpatient Psychiatric  Hospital, Assisted  Living                                                                    
Home  and  General  Acute Hospital.  She  related  that  the                                                                    
department  received  calls  from hospitals  about  patients                                                                    
with  extreme  needs and  they  were  struggling to  find  a                                                                    
placement for  them. She  referenced the  right side  of the                                                                    
slide  that depicted  the lower  levels of  care facilities:                                                                    
Foster Home,  Private Residence,  and Assisted  Living Home.                                                                    
She noted that all of  the facilities were supported by Home                                                                    
and Community Based Waiver Services.  She furthered that one                                                                    
of the  gaps identified  was for  a complex  care individual                                                                    
that also had some type  of cognitive impairment yet was not                                                                    
at  the   level  to  qualify   them  for   intellectual  and                                                                    
developmental disability.  She reported that  the department                                                                    
did not have the means or  system to care for the individual                                                                    
in  a long-term  residential care  setting. Currently,  when                                                                    
complex  care  individuals  were   released  from  an  acute                                                                    
facility  their general  needs were  being  met through  the                                                                    
general  relief  program  and   assisted  living  home.  The                                                                    
services were  simply not appropriate  to meet the  level of                                                                    
care  required for  the special  population to  remain in  a                                                                    
community based setting.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:13:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin was  appreciative  of  the bill.  She                                                                    
pointed  to the  lower  level care  facilities and  wondered                                                                    
what their maximum capacity was  versus the maximum capacity                                                                    
for  a CCRH.  Ms. Ricci  answered that  she would  follow up                                                                    
with  the  answer  for  lower  level  care  facilities.  She                                                                    
communicated that  there were federal requirements  that the                                                                    
CCRHs   needed  to   comply  with   and   there  were   some                                                                    
restrictions  relative   to  Medicaid  funding   called  the                                                                    
"Institute   for  Mental   Disease  Exclusion"   (IMD).  The                                                                    
department wanted  to address the  issues via  regulation in                                                                    
terms  of limitations  due to  the varied  needs of  complex                                                                    
care.  She  envisioned  via   regulation  building  out  the                                                                    
different requirements  depending on the different  needs of                                                                    
the different  populations the homes would  serve. She noted                                                                    
that   the  individual   needs  would   change  over   time.                                                                    
Representative  Galvin  thought  it  was too  varied  for  a                                                                    
specific  answer  the  question,  however,  she  pointed  to                                                                    
language stating,  "fewer than 15 residents"  She determined                                                                    
that the  maximum was 15 in  a CCRH. She was  concerned that                                                                    
15 was a high number  for individuals with multidisciplinary                                                                    
care needs.  Ms. Ricci responded  that the number  was based                                                                    
on the team's interpretation of  an IMD exclusion. She added                                                                    
that after further discussion with  stakeholders it would be                                                                    
better  address  via  regulation rather  than  statute.  She                                                                    
heard  from  some providers  that  in  order  for it  to  be                                                                    
financially  viable they  might need  more individuals,  and                                                                    
some  thought  a  smaller home  was  more  appropriate.  She                                                                    
deemed  that it  would be  based on  the type  and level  of                                                                    
complex  care and  reiterated that  it was  better addressed                                                                    
through regulation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:18:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  thought that there was  a high number                                                                    
of  complex  care  individuals,  and  it  was  not  a  small                                                                    
population.  She was  aware that  many  individuals were  in                                                                    
continued  care at  Providence Extended  Care because  there                                                                    
was not  another facility  that could  accept them,  and the                                                                    
hospital was  not allowed to  send the patients  off without                                                                    
proper  placement.  She  asked   why  she  referred  to  the                                                                    
population  as  a small  number.  Ms.  Ricci responded  that                                                                    
there was a large need  for behavioral health support in the                                                                    
state.  She  explained  that  the  team  tried  to  be  very                                                                    
specific to  a narrow  set of  individuals whose  needs were                                                                    
not able to be met in  other settings. It was different than                                                                    
the  need to  build out  existing settings.  The CCRH  would                                                                    
likely  be a  resource  intensive setting  and not  everyone                                                                    
with  complex  needs  required   that  level  of  care.  She                                                                    
emphasized that  it was a  small subset of  individuals that                                                                    
cycled through  the various facilities and  general assisted                                                                    
living  homes. The  necessary care  would  be long-term  and                                                                    
substantial in  order for the  individuals to  remain stable                                                                    
and  in their  community. Representative  Galvin shared  her                                                                    
experience visiting  multiple places offering  extended care                                                                    
that were considered residents.  She relayed that there were                                                                    
many still  living in the  homes that  would do better  in a                                                                    
smaller home if it was available.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked if Ms.  Ricci could explain how the                                                                    
IMD exclusion related  to CCRHs. Ms. Ricci  replied that the                                                                    
IMD  was meant  to  ensure that  Medicaid  dollars were  not                                                                    
being  used  to  support  unnecessary  institutionalization,                                                                    
especially  for  individuals  with disabilities  and  mental                                                                    
health issues. The  regulation was a reaction  to the number                                                                    
of large institutions that used  to exist in the country and                                                                    
served the  belief that individuals should  receive services                                                                    
in their communities versus larger institutions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ricci  moved to  slide  7  titled "Establishing  a  New                                                                    
Residential Setting                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        1. Identify Needs and Define Scope                                                                                    
        2. Create New License Type HB 73                                                                                      
        3. Determine Services to be Provided                                                                                  
        4. Establish Reimbursement Mechanisms                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci  indicated that the slide  depicted the multi-step                                                                    
process  the departments  identified to  address the  issue.                                                                    
The  first  step   discovered  the  gap  in   care  for  the                                                                    
individuals that were not eligible  for the intellectual and                                                                    
developmental  disability  waivers.  She stressed  that  the                                                                    
need was prominent. The second  step determined the need for                                                                    
a new license type. The  third step would be accomplished in                                                                    
coordination  with  stakeholders  and provider  groups.  The                                                                    
last step would  be based on the individual and  the type of                                                                    
services needed,  which would  vary. The  departments wanted                                                                    
to take  time to explore  the different options  for waivers                                                                    
and  had  engaged  in  preliminary  discussions  with  other                                                                    
states. She  emphasized that the departments  were currently                                                                    
at the second step.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Lawrence continued on slide  8 titled "Who Would Benefit                                                                    
from CCRHs                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Youth:                                                                                                                     
     Multiple behavioral health diagnoses                                                                                       
     Treatment in an out-of-state facility                                                                                      
     Fetal alcohol and autism spectrum disorders                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Adult:                                                                                                                     
     Severe and persistent mental illness                                                                                       
     Frequent hospital visits and self-harm history                                                                             
     Cognitive impairment                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Senior:                                                                                                                    
     Dementia with behavioral health diagnoses                                                                                  
     Does not qualify for Medicaid waiver services                                                                              
     Highly disruptive behaviors                                                                                                
Dr. Lawrence  discussed and  exemplified the  populations of                                                                    
individuals who  would benefit from  CCRH's as  described on                                                                    
the slide.  He reminded  the committee that  the departments                                                                    
wanted to  establish a homelike  setting that  addressed the                                                                    
complexity  of  needs.  He  pointed out  that  each  of  the                                                                    
categories  demonstrated  distinct  and  costly  needs  that                                                                    
prevented  those   affected  from  currently   being  served                                                                    
appropriately. However,  the conditions  were not  so severe                                                                    
to preclude a residential setting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Lawrence examined  slide 9  titled "Key  Features of  a                                                                    
CCRH                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     CCRHs will offer a new residential care setting in                                                                         
     Alaska.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          • Fewer than 15 residents                                                                                           
          • 24/7 care from a multi-disciplinary team                                                                          
          • More supportive than assisted living homes and                                                                    
             less restrictive than a psychiatric hospital                                                                       
          • Specialized monitoring, intervention, and/or                                                                      
             treatment to meet the needs of residents                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:29:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Lawrence reviewed slide 10 titled "Benefits of a CCRH                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     • Improves care for Alaskans with complex needs                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     • Adds a license type for home-like settings that                                                                        
        offer care in the most clinically appropriate                                                                           
        environment                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     • Allows for service specialization and for specific                                                                     
        requirements to be set forth in regulations                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     • Promotes community safety by offering a new service                                                                    
        setting for individuals with complex behavioral                                                                         
        health needs                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Lawrence reiterated  that the  bill  envisioned a  home                                                                    
where individuals  received services  in a  setting tailored                                                                    
to their specific needs in a least restrictive environment.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci presented slide 11 titled "Sectional Analysis:"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1. Amends AS 47.32.010(b)  to add "complex care                                                                    
     residential homes"  to the  list of  entities regulated                                                                    
     by the Department of Health.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2.  Amends  AS   47.32.900(2)  to  update  the                                                                    
     definition  of   "assisted  living  home"   to  exclude                                                                    
     complex care residential homes.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3.   Adds  AS  47.32.900(11)  to   modify  the                                                                    
     definition of  "hospital" to clarify  that it  does not                                                                    
     include complex care residential homes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci continued with the sectional on slide 12:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4. Adds  AS 47.32.900(22)  to introduce  a new                                                                    
     definition for  "complex care residential home."  It is                                                                    
     defined as a residential  setting that provides 24-hour                                                                    
     multi-disciplinary care  on a  continuing basis  for up                                                                    
     to 15 individuals with  mental, behavioral, medical, or                                                                    
     disability-related  needs  requiring specialized  care,                                                                    
     services and monitoring.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5.  Amends the uncodified  law by adding  a new                                                                    
     section  that  requires  the Department  of  Health  to                                                                    
     submit for approval by the  United States Department of                                                                    
     Health  and  Human  Services amendments  to  the  state                                                                    
     Medicaid  plan  or  apply   for  waivers  necessary  to                                                                    
     implement the provisions of Sections 1-4.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ricci concluded with the remaining sections on slide                                                                        
13:                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6.  Amends the uncodified  law by adding  a new                                                                    
     section specifying  that sections 1-4 of  the bill will                                                                    
     only  take effect  if the  United States  Department of                                                                    
     Health  and   Human  Services  approves   the  required                                                                    
     Medicaid  waivers or  amendments by  July 1,  2031. The                                                                    
     commissioner  of  health  is  required  to  notify  the                                                                    
     reviser of  statutes within 30 days  once the necessary                                                                    
     approvals are received.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7.  Provides that sections 1-4  take effect the                                                                    
     day after  the United  States Department of  Health and                                                                    
     Human Services  approves amendments  to the  state plan                                                                    
     or waivers submitted under Section 5.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:31:41 PM                                                                                                                    
Representative Bynum wondered how long  it would take for an                                                                    
applicant  to receive  their  license.  Ms. Ricci  responded                                                                    
the  expectation  was within  the  standard  time frame  for                                                                    
other residential licensing. She  mentioned time lags due to                                                                    
staff  turnover  and  she  hoped   the  situation  could  be                                                                    
mitigated soon. Representative  Bynum referenced the extreme                                                                    
needs  of individuals  with  behavioral  issues impacted  by                                                                    
drug  use. He  asked if  CCHRs  would include  this type  of                                                                    
individual.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Lawrence  answered  that the  inquiry  highlighted  the                                                                    
broader question of  who would be served in  the setting. He                                                                    
explained that CCHR's were not  meant to treat everyone with                                                                    
the  same set  of  particular complex  conditions but  would                                                                    
treat  a   subset  of  those   that  had   other  underlying                                                                    
behavioral  or health  conditions.  He  summarized that  the                                                                    
CCRHs would serve  a subset of individuals that  did not fit                                                                    
into the current system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum was  looking at  the fiscal  notes and                                                                    
wondered what the impact on  Medicaid would be for providing                                                                    
the   facilities.  He   inquired  whether   the  departments                                                                    
anticipated  that services  would  grow by  adding the  CCHR                                                                    
option and  if there would  be growth in other  expenses not                                                                    
included in the fiscal note.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:35:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ricci  responded that  it  was  currently difficult  to                                                                    
determine  and  definitively  extrapolate the  need  because                                                                    
currently  there were  multiple state  funding streams  that                                                                    
were  supporting  the  individuals including  Medicaid.  She                                                                    
added   that  Medicaid   was   the   funder  for   long-term                                                                    
institutional  care and  Medicaid  would be  the funder  the                                                                    
CCRH  program.   She  anticipated  applying   for  different                                                                    
Medicaid waivers to pay for  the program. The waivers had to                                                                    
meet federal budget neutrality  requirements to be approved.                                                                    
The  program  could  not  stand  up  a  service  that  would                                                                    
increase Medicaid funding via the waivers.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster moved to the fiscal note discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:38:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRACY  DOMPELING, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF  BEHAVIORAL HEALTH,                                                                    
FAIRBANKS  (via  teleconference),  explained  the  published                                                                    
fiscal  impact note  (FN1(DOH) allocated  to the  Behavioral                                                                    
Health  Administration. She  indicated that  the bill  would                                                                    
require  developing  a  licensing  and  regulatory  standard                                                                    
requiring one full time position  for a total cost of $153.2                                                                    
thousand  paid for  via federal  receipts at  $76.6 thousand                                                                    
and  $76.6  thousand  in  undesignated  general  fund  match                                                                    
(UGF). She  described that breakdown of  expenses as: $128.2                                                                    
thousand in Personal services, $20  thousand in services, $2                                                                    
thousand  in  commodities,  and   $3  thousand  in  one-time                                                                    
commodities for a computer and office equipment.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:40:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  NAVE,  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  HEALTH  CARE                                                                    
SERVICES,   DEPARTMENT  OF   HEALTH  (via   teleconference),                                                                    
reviewed the published fiscal impact  from DOH (FN2(DOH). He                                                                    
delineated  that  the  Division  of  Health  Care  Services,                                                                    
Health Facilities  Licensing and Certification  section will                                                                    
require one  Nurse Consultant  1 beginning  in FY  2027. The                                                                    
position  would   assist  in  program   development,  create                                                                    
licensing  fees  and  regulations, design  necessary  forms,                                                                    
provide training,  and other necessary framework  to support                                                                    
this new facility  type. He broke down  the costs associated                                                                    
with the  position and the necessary  support infrastructure                                                                    
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Personal  Services:   $172.1  annually,   beginning  in                                                                    
     FY2027,   for  one   Nurse   Consultant  1   (including                                                                    
     benefits)  at Range  24 in  Anchorage. Services:  $20.0                                                                    
     annually, starting in FY2027,  for office space, phone,                                                                    
     and  reimbursable  service  agreements to  support  the                                                                    
     position.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     One-Time  Commodities Cost:  $3.0 one-time,  in FY2027,                                                                    
     for computer, software, and office equipment.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Travel: $10.0 annually, starting  in FY2028, for travel                                                                    
     to license and recertify facilities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Commodities:  $2.0 annually,  beginning in  FY2028, for                                                                    
     office supplies.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Nave  summarized  that  the  costs  would  support  the                                                                    
licensing and regulation of the  new facilities and leverage                                                                    
federal funding.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Nave reviewed  the zero  fiscal note  from DOH(FN3(DOH)                                                                    
allocated  to Medicaid  Services.  He  elucidated that  many                                                                    
individuals  who  would  be  served  by  CCRHs  are  already                                                                    
accessing  residential or  facility-based services.  In some                                                                    
cases,  CCRH  services  may   be  more  cost-effective  than                                                                    
current  options,   while  in  others,  they   may  be  more                                                                    
expensive.  As such,  the department  estimated  a net  zero                                                                    
cost impact.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:42:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  about page  3, line  7 of  the                                                                    
bill  and cited  the term  "frontier extended  stay clinic."                                                                    
She wondered what  type of facility it was.  Ms. Ricci would                                                                    
follow  up.  Representative  Hannan speculated  on  what  it                                                                    
could   be.  Ms.   Ricci  replied   that  frequently,   when                                                                    
references were made  to frontiers, it was  likely a federal                                                                    
reference for a  setting or clinic type that may  or may not                                                                    
exist in Alaska. She restated that she would follow up.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  about  what  other states  had                                                                    
done to  meet a similar  need addressed in  the legislation.                                                                    
She wondered what  happened to Medicaid costs and  if the 15                                                                    
limit capacity  was what other  states had  implemented. Ms.                                                                    
Ricci answered  that she  had talked  with other  states and                                                                    
there were  no states that had  figured out the best  way to                                                                    
meet  the  need. She  communicated  that  the need  was  not                                                                    
unique  to  Alaska  and  was   common  in  all  states.  She                                                                    
indicated   that  the   department   worked  with   Milliman                                                                    
[Insurance  Company]  who   supported  the  1115  Behavioral                                                                    
Health  Waiver  and asked  what  they  saw in  other  states                                                                    
regarding  the issue.  She listed  the states  she examined:                                                                    
Indiana, North  Carolina, Michigan, Washington,  and Oregon.                                                                    
She discovered  that they all  took different  approaches to                                                                    
meet  complex   care  needs.  However,  they   all  utilized                                                                    
different combinations  of waivers due to  the difference in                                                                    
Medicaid  structures among  the states.  She currently,  did                                                                    
not  have definitive  answers to  the  ratios, staffing,  or                                                                    
services  and  wanted  to build  onto  those  in  succeeding                                                                    
phases   working   with    consultants   and   stakeholders.                                                                    
Presently,  the  departments  had   identified  that  a  new                                                                    
license type  was necessary due to  existing assisted living                                                                    
statutes   that  were   insufficient  for   the  need.   She                                                                    
emphasized  that the  need was  acute  to fill  the gap  and                                                                    
establishing  the  new  license   type  now  saved  time  to                                                                    
implementation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:49:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  appreciated  the answer.  Ms.  Ricci                                                                    
commented  that every  state was  struggling with  the issue                                                                    
and  attempting  to  figure it  out.  Representative  Galvin                                                                    
asked  whether the  emphasis was  to create  more placements                                                                    
for  the specific  complex care  population addressed  while                                                                    
maintaining  the   current  number  of  care   providers  in                                                                    
existing assisted  living facilities.  She asked  whether it                                                                    
was a balance  the departments were attempting  to work out.                                                                    
Ms. Ricci  responded in the affirmative.  She explained that                                                                    
individuals in  the population were accessing  services in a                                                                    
way that did not meet  their needs. She described situations                                                                    
where current assisted living facilities  could not meet the                                                                    
needs of the  patient and where health care  workers and the                                                                    
other residents were negatively impacted as well.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson wanted more  information about what other                                                                    
states were  doing. He  deduced that  Alaska did  not invent                                                                    
the term  "complex care residential homes."  He thought that                                                                    
there was some  sort of model somewhere the  state was aware                                                                    
of.  Ms.  Ricci  replied  that the  term  existed  in  other                                                                    
formats in  other states  but did  not necessarily  mean the                                                                    
same  thing  as  Alaska's  term.  She  elaborated  that  the                                                                    
departments went  through a lengthy  process for  naming the                                                                    
residential  homes  and it  changed  many  times behind  the                                                                    
scenes  before deciding  on CCRH.  She relayed  that it  was                                                                    
difficult for her  to acknowledge that a  clear solution did                                                                    
not exist elsewhere  that could be leveraged  in Alaska. She                                                                    
stressed that an  exact model that would work  in Alaska did                                                                    
not exist.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:53:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  asked   about  zoning  and  mentioned                                                                    
possible push back from the  community. He asked whether the                                                                    
departments  engaged in  discussions  about  zoning and  the                                                                    
CCRHs. Ms.  Ricci answered  in the  negative. Representative                                                                    
Bynum asked if it had  been a consideration in other states.                                                                    
Ms.  Ricci  was unaware  of  any  discussion on  the  topic.                                                                    
Representative Bynum  wondered if the  bill was to  pass but                                                                    
the  fiscal  notes  were  not accepted  and  there  were  no                                                                    
resources added  to the department, could  the mission still                                                                    
be carried  out. Ms. Ricci  responded that it would  be very                                                                    
difficult.   She  commented   that  the   Health  Facilities                                                                    
Licensing  and   Certification  section   had  taken   on  a                                                                    
tremendous  amount of  work  over the  last  many years.  In                                                                    
addition, the residential licensing  team in the Division of                                                                    
Health  Care  Services was  arduously  working  to meet  the                                                                    
demand that  was increasing as the  state's population aged,                                                                    
and more residential homes were  opening. She furthered that                                                                    
the current  behavioral health team lacked  a staff position                                                                    
to  carry out  developing the  certification and  working on                                                                    
the  necessary   Medicaid  waivers.  The   department  would                                                                    
prioritize currently  existing programs versus  building out                                                                    
a new  program. Representative Bynum inquired  whether there                                                                    
would  be  a positive  economic  impact  to the  communities                                                                    
where the  homes were  located. Ms.  Ricci replied  that she                                                                    
had  not done  an  economic analysis  but  shared that  many                                                                    
hospitals  relayed positive  feedback regarding  the concept                                                                    
and were eager to see  the program implemented. In addition,                                                                    
existing  assisted living  homes offered  positive responses                                                                    
on the concept  since they were unable to   provide adequate                                                                    
care for the individuals  within the existing structure. She                                                                    
deemed  that there  would  be  positive community  feedback.                                                                    
Some of  the individuals  displayed disruptive  behaviors in                                                                    
public  and there  was  a community  safety  element to  the                                                                    
concept. She  mentioned that in  Washington and  Oregon some                                                                    
of their programs were called "Community Safety Programs."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:59:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski  asked   about  carceral  system                                                                    
involvement.  He wondered  how that  would work  with zoning                                                                    
and in the  community. Ms. Ricci answered that  the bill did                                                                    
not  address the  issue  of secure  vs  unsecured or  locked                                                                    
versus unlocked,  but the topic was  discussed. The statutes                                                                    
did  not address  it  for any  existing  license types.  She                                                                    
shared that one  of the things that they had  heard was when                                                                    
the   individual   received   the   appropriate   level   of                                                                    
additional, consistent,  support and medical care  the level                                                                    
of   disruptions   decreased,   and   consistent   behaviors                                                                    
increased. She deduced  that it likely reduced  the need for                                                                    
the security measures necessary  when the patient was highly                                                                    
agitated. She  shared discussions  with other  providers who                                                                    
confirmed  that  appropriate  support and  care  helped  the                                                                    
patient remain stable, lowering  the security need. The CCRH                                                                    
model had  24/7 monitoring  built into  it and  she reported                                                                    
that the  security issue was  still being figured  out along                                                                    
with how to build it into the regulations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:02:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Lawrence responded  that it  was important  to separate                                                                    
what was meant  by carceral setting versus  CCRH. He pointed                                                                    
out that carceral settings  were correctional facilities and                                                                    
the services  provided were  completely different  than what                                                                    
would be  provided in a  CCRH. He  wanted to clarify  that a                                                                    
CCRH  concept  would  not  be   set  up  in  a  correctional                                                                    
facility.  He  added  that  involuntary  placement  was  not                                                                    
envisioned for  a CCRH. He reiterated  that regulation would                                                                    
address many of the details that were not yet figured out.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski thought it  was good to hear, and                                                                    
he  would not  think anyone  in  a cul-de-sac  would want  a                                                                    
locked-down facility next door.  He believed that zoning was                                                                    
a critical need to address.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  73  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:04:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the agenda  for the following day's                                                                    
meeting.  Some  discussion  ensued  regarding  the  upcoming                                                                    
agenda.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB073 Bill Summary version A, 2.5.25.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73
HB073 Presenter List Version A, 2.5.25.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73
HB073 Presentation Version A, 2.5.25.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73
HB073 Sectional Analysis Version A, 2.5.25.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73
HB073 Transmittal Letter Version A, 1.27.25.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73
HB 23 ASCHR BFOQ memo FINAL 4.8.25.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 ASCHR BFOQ memo FINAL 4.8.25.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 23
HB 73 CDSE Complex Care Res Homes 040825.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73
HB 73 Responses to HFIN 4.10.25.Final.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73
HB 73 Public Testimony Rec'd by 041525.pdf HFIN 4/9/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 73