Legislature(2023 - 2024)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
02/12/2024 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE
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| SSCR4|| EO 127 | |
| SSCR6|| EO 129 | |
| SSCR7|| EO 130 | |
| SB197 | |
| SB183 | |
| HB57 | |
| Adjourn |
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| *+ | SSCR 4 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SSCR 6 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SSCR 7 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SB 197 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SB 183 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 57 | TELECONFERENCED | |
HB 57-EMERGENCY MED. SVCS: REVIEW ORGANIZATIONS
2:26:43 PM
CHAIR BJORKMAN reconvened the meeting and announced the
consideration of HOUSE BILL NO. 57, "An Act relating to review
organizations and permitting an emergency medical services
provider to establish a review organization; and relating to
patient records."
2:27:19 PM
REPRESENTATIVE STANLEY WRIGHT, District 22, Alaska State
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, sponsor of HB 57, read the
following statement:
[Original punctuation provided.]
This legislation corrects an inequity that has long
affected our emergency medical services (EMS) in
Alaska. This bill seeks to extend the same quality
assurance program protections to EMS workers that
fixed healthcare facilities have benefitted from for
years.
This is not an unprecedented request, several other
states have already recognized and acted upon the need
to provide these protections to their EMS systems.
Alaska's EMS system, particularly in our rural and
super rural areas, operates largely on the strength of
volunteerism.
It's important to understand that these volunteers are
not just our emergency technicians and paramedics, but
include volunteer medical directors as well. These
selfless individuals, many of whom are physicians,
play a crucial role in ensuring their communities have
access to state-certified Emergency Services.
However, a glaring discrepancy exists: while these
physicians enjoy quality assurance protections in
their primary roles within clinics and hospitals, they
are stripped of these protections when serving as EMS
medical directors in the same communities. This
discrepancy not only poses a risk to the health and
safety of Alaskans but also threatens the very
existence of our rural EMS systems.
This amendment is critical for maintaining the
viability of our EMS programs, and the health and
safety of our communities across Alaska.
2:29:41 PM
RACHEL GUNN, Staff, Representative Stanley Wright, Alaska State
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, gave a presentation on HB 57. She
read the following statement:
[Original punctuation provided.]
Emergency Medical Services in Alaska stands as a
hybrid organization, intersecting transportation,
safety, medical, and public health disciplines, with
an unwavering commitment to saving lives outside the
walls of primary care facilities.
Many emergency physicians are involved with the direct
care provided in the field by EMTs and Paramedics, and
these Emergency medicine specialists are pivotal,
extending their expertise beyond hospital walls to
guide EMT and Paramedics in the field. Through
"medical control," they issue treatment orders,
ensuring immediate and appropriate care. Furthermore,
pre-hospital protocols, or standing orders, empower
EMS teams with clear guidelines for patient care
before hospital arrival.
In emergency care, every second counts, and decisions
are made in the blink of an eye. These decisions,
often made under extreme conditions, can have profound
effects on patient outcomes. After the dust settles,
our EMS professionals, including ETTs EMTs,
paramedics, and their medical directors, engage in
critical self-reflection through Peer Review Boards
and Quality Assurance programs.
The Peer Review Process is comprised of providers with
similar competencies evaluating the care provided to
the patient and encourages EMS providers to evaluate
and refine their patient care systems continually. A
successful Quality Assurance committee is essential,
usually comprised an auditor, a medical director, and
a feedback provider. This team focuses on patient
outcomes, leveraging data to pinpoint and implement
process improvements. Here they dissect each decision
and action, asking, "Could we have handled that
better? What can we learn from this?" This reflective
practice is crucial for continual learning and
improvement, ensuring better patient care in future
emergencies.
Under the current framework, any admission by EMS
personnel, any acknowledgment of potential improvement
areas, could be misconstrued as liability in a
lawsuit. Protections that are inherent for medical
directors administering care as a doctor or surgeon
within the walls of the hospital do not extend to the
review process for the EMS cases they oversee. A
considerable portion of EMS providers and the
physicians and medical directors guiding them in
Alaska serve voluntarily, and the absence of
protective measures for them is a glaring neglect of
our frontline workforce.
This fear stifles open, honest review and discussiona
cornerstone of medical improvement and patient safety.
Our proposed legislation seeks to shield these frank
discussions from being weaponized in legal battles.
It does not prevent an EMS provider a Medical Director
from being sued, it simply limits the information
gleaned from Peer Review Programs and Quality
Assurance meetings allowable for discovery. It's not
about evading responsibility; it's about creating a
safe space for EMS professionals to learn, grow, and
enhance the quality of care they provide without the
constant fear of legal repercussions. This proactive
approach to continuous learning and improvement is
vital for the evolution of emergency medical services
and protecting our Medical Directors and EMS providers
the way we protect our healthcare.
CHAIR BJORKMAN announced invited testimony on HB 57.
2:33:16 PM
BRIAN WEBB, representing self, Anchorage, Alaska, testified by
invitation on HB 57. He said he has been an Alaska Emergency
Medical Services (EMS) clinician since 1978 and currently
volunteers for Alaska EMS improvement and advocacy efforts. He
stated that Alaska EMS services should be afforded the same
program protections that fixed facilities enjoy and requested
that the legislature correct this inequity. Referring to Alaska
Statute definitions, he explained that this wording does not
include pre-hospital personnel or activities. Therefore, HB 57
seeks to change this definition. He said that EMS does not
experience a two-way flow of information. He explained the lack
of protections has had a chilling effect for many, as what is
discussed or presented by EMS is discoverable outside of the EMS
process. As a result, EMS providers are often concerned about
privacy issues. He said that this effects both the educational
growth and patient care improvement systems. He added that
protecting this process allows EMS providers to safely grow in
their craft and become better patient care advocates. He
compared EMS to a three-legged stool and explained that it is
able to survive due to its volunteerism of services,
volunteerism of EMS clinicians, and EMS medical directors. He
said that all three of these must be balanced to ensure the
safety of citizens.
2:35:15 PM
MR. WEBB explained that HB 57 seeks to fix a crack in one leg of
the stool that is impacting volunteer EMS clinicians and EMS
medical directors. He stated that, nationwide, EMS recruitment
has faced challenges. He stated that losing valuable volunteer
EMS clinicians and EMS medical directors would result in a lack
of protection. He pointed out that most of these individuals are
no longer willing to risk their financial or professional
futures because of this disclosure. He said that during the day,
EMS medical directors have protection, yet when they switch
gears after daytime working hours and volunteer for EMS
services, they no longer have protection. This has resulted in
the loss of many volunteers. He emphasized that a lack of
volunteers means no EMS to respond - and no EMS services. He
listed states that have enacted these protections.
2:37:03 PM
SENATOR BISHOP asked if this definition change would result in a
lower insurance premium.
2:37:50 PM
MR. WEBB said that this issue was discussed during committee
hearings in the House. He explained that HB 57 precludes many
things that can be discovered through lawsuits. He stated that
indemnity for medical directors is a separate issue and noted
that many regional offices are working to build insurance-based
solutions for volunteer EMS medical directors, but added that
this is a very long process.
2:39:00 PM
DR. TIM PETERSON, Capital City Fire Rescue (CCFR), Juneau,
Alaska, testified by invitation on HB 57. He said he has been an
emergency physician at Bartlett Regional Hospital since 1989 and
has dealt with EMS volunteers from around the state when
patients have required medivac. He said he is co-chair of Alaska
Council for Emergency Medical Services (ACEMS), which recently
finished a four-year project relating to scope of medical
practices. He stated that information regarding updated scope of
medical practices must be provided to those in the industry via
training and education. He said he is also the medical director
for Southeast Regional EMS Council (SEREMS), which covers remote
areas that are volunteer-dependent. He explained that the
volunteer EMS system was strained during the Covid-19 pandemic.
He added that many older volunteers simply quit, and they are in
the process of rebuilding. The job, he said, is to ensure that
Alaska EMS services are operating to a standard of care that is
equivalent to the standard of care across the country. He stated
that "quality assurance" refers to the quality of the services
offered. He explained that for many small communities, "run
reviews" are done. In rural communities, few doctors have
malpractice insurance because they don't know where or how to
get it, or the associated costs. He emphasized the importance of
open and honest dialogue around what is working and what is not
- and expressed a desire to have bullet points of what is
discussed at meetings (with all personal identifying information
removed).
2:42:53 PM
SENATOR BISHOP commented that HB 57 would allow EMS
professionals to discuss issues and keep records that they can
then share with their peers around the state and hopefully avoid
repeating problematic behaviors.
2:43:37 PM
DR. PETERSON replied that he would like to be able to attend
conferences and discuss cases with others in the profession in
order to learn from other people's mistakes, which is not
possible currently.
2:44:11 PM
DR. MICHAEL LEVY, representing self, Eagle-River, Alaska,
testified by invitation on HB 57. He said he is the immediate
past president of the National Association of EMS Physicians
(NAEMSP) and State of Alaska EMS Medical Director. He is the EMS
Medical Director for various state EMS agencies and has
practiced in Alaska since 1989. He said he is board certified
with an EMS medicine specialty and explained that EMS medicine
is a sub-specialty that offers board certification by the
American Board of Medical Specialties since 2013. He added that
this is an acknowledgement that EMS medicine is a distinct
practice of medicine - and that EMS is part of the healthcare
system. He said that many states have established laws providing
peer-review protection for EMS agencies, which ensures that
information gathered for the purposes of improving quality of
health remains non-discoverable in legal proceedings. He
provided a list of examples of this information. He stated that
EMS is evolving as a versatile community health resource that is
integral to local and regional systems of care. He added that
EMS is clearly a public health entity and must be people
centered. He stated that EMS treatments should include
processes, protocols, and practices that are designed to have
the best practices for individuals. EMS clinicians should
deliver care by evidence-based practices. He pointed out that
peer review and quality of care have long been accepted as
fundamental tools for improved care; however, protection from
discovery has not explicitly included EMS. He commented that
many EMS providers question whether they did the right thing -
yet they are not able to receive feedback on their decisions. He
emphasized the value of feedback for improvement and added that
HB 57 is a step toward supporting EMS practitioners by adding
protections already provided by other states.
2:48:10 PM
SENATOR DUNBAR commented that Dr. Levy and others with the
Anchorage Fire Department did tremendous work leading to nation
leading results in cardiac arrest survival rates. He pointed out
that in the United States military, certain investigations can
lead to punitive actions; however, they also have safety
investigations that are for improved safety going forward. He
explained that information provided during a safety
investigation cannot lead to punishment.
2:49:18 PM
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON echoed Senator Dunbar's comments.
2:49:37 PM
DR. LEVY expressed appreciation.
2:49:49 PM
CHAIR BJORKMAN expressed gratitude for the work Dr. Levy has
done in his district.
2:50:01 PM
CHAIR BJORKMAN opened public testimony on HB 57; finding none,
he closed public testimony.
2:50:40 PM
CHAIR BJORKMAN held HB 57 in committee.
2:51:02 PM
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| SB183 ver A.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 183 |
| SB183 Sponsor Statement verA.pdf |
SFIN 3/6/2024 9:00:00 AM SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 183 |
| SB183 Sectional Analysis ver A.pdf |
SFIN 3/6/2024 9:00:00 AM SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 183 |
| SB183 Fiscal Note-DOLWD-WC-02.09.24.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 183 |
| SB183 Supporting Documents-AWCB_Resolution 23-01.pdf |
SFIN 3/6/2024 9:00:00 AM SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 183 |
| SB183 Supporting Documents-Overview and History of WCBG Fund.pdf |
SFIN 3/6/2024 9:00:00 AM SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 183 |
| SB183 Supporting Documents-AWCB Letter to Claimant.pdf |
SFIN 3/6/2024 9:00:00 AM SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 183 |
| SB197 ver S.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 197 |
| SB197 Sponsor Statement Ver S.pdf |
SFIN 3/6/2024 9:00:00 AM SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 197 |
| SB197 Sectional Analysis Ver S.pdf |
SFIN 3/6/2024 9:00:00 AM SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 197 |
| SB197 Fiscal Note-DCCED-CBPL-02.09.24.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 197 |
| SB197 Supporting Documents-ADN Opinion 05.14.23.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SB 197 |
| HB57 ver A.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Sponsor Statement 1.25.2024.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Sectional Analysis 1.25.2024.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Fiscal Note-DOH-Em Programs-01.16.24.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Supporting Documents-Dr. John Hall Email 02.06.23.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Supporting Documents-Washington Statewide Registry-1.25.2024.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Supporting Documents-Support Letters-Mio Rhein-Brian Webb-1.25.2024.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Testimony-Received as of 03.03.2023.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Testimony-Recieved as of 02.17.2023.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Supporting Documents-ACEMS 02.24.23.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Supporting Documents-California Evidence Code 1157.7 1.25.2024.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| HB57 Supporting Documents-Contra Costa EMS QIPP 12.19.19.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
HB 57 |
| SSCR4 ver A.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SSCR 4 |
| SSCR4 Fiscal Note.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SSCR 4 |
| SSCR6 ver A.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SSCR 6 |
| SSCR6 Fiscal Note.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SSCR 6 |
| SSCR7 ver A.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SSCR 7 |
| SSCR7 Fiscal Note.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
SSCR 7 |
| EO127 Public Testimony-Letter from Board Chair 01.31.24.pdf |
SL&C 2/12/2024 1:30:00 PM |
EO 127 |