Legislature(2025 - 2026)ADAMS 519

02/27/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:35:48 PM Start
01:37:01 PM HB53 || HB54 || HB55 || HB56 || HB85
01:37:05 PM Overview: Fy 25 Governor's Supplemental Budget by the Office of Management and Budget
02:36:15 PM HB78
03:55:59 PM Adjourn
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+= HB 53 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 54 APPROP: CAPITAL/SUPPLEMENTAL/FUNDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 55 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 56 APPROP: SUPPLEMENTAL; FUND CAP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 85 APPROP: SUPPLEMENTAL TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: Governor’s Budget Amendments by Lacey TELECONFERENCED
Sanders, Director, Office of Management and
Budget
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 78 RETIREMENT SYSTEMS; DEFINED BENEFIT OPT. TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
HOUSE BILL NO. 53                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     making  reappropriations;  making appropriations  under                                                                    
     art.  IX,  sec. 17(c),  Constitution  of  the State  of                                                                    
     Alaska,  from the  constitutional budget  reserve fund;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 54                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   making  appropriations,   including  capital                                                                    
     appropriations   and   other   appropriations;   making                                                                    
     reappropriations;  making appropriations  to capitalize                                                                    
     funds; and providing for an effective date."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 55                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 56                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  making  supplemental  appropriations;  making                                                                    
     appropriations to  capitalize funds; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 85                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An    Act    making    supplemental    appropriations,                                                                    
     reappropriations,  and  other appropriations;  amending                                                                    
     appropriations;    capitalizing     funds;    repealing                                                                    
     appropriations; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
1:37:01 PM                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  FY  25  GOVERNOR'S SUPPLEMENTAL  BUDGET  BY  THE                                                                  
OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:37:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LACEY SANDERS,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE OF  THE GOVERNOR, provided a  PowerPoint presentation                                                                    
titled  "FY2026  Governor   Amended  Budget:  House  Finance                                                                    
Committee,"  dated February  27,  2025 (copy  on file).  The                                                                    
presentation   provided  an   overview  of   the  amendments                                                                    
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transmitted on  behalf of the  governor on February 18   per                                                                    
AS 37.07.070 that  required requests to be  submitted to the                                                                    
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legislature by the 30   day. She began with an updated FY 26                                                                    
fiscal  summary that  incorporated the  amendments submitted                                                                    
the previous week  (slide 2). The amendments  included FY 25                                                                    
supplemental requests and the FY  26 budget. FY 25 operating                                                                    
supplementals totaled  $40 million  in all  funds, including                                                                    
$36.2 million  in unrestricted general  funds (UGF),  for an                                                                    
operating supplemental total of  $453 million. The submitted                                                                    
capital supplementals  totaled a  reduction of  $1.9 million                                                                    
with an  overall increase of $500,000  UGF. The supplemental                                                                    
total was  $522.5 million  of which  $84.2 million  was UGF.                                                                    
The total brought the overall deficit to $157.8 million.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  explained  that  the   total  numbers  in  the                                                                    
presentation  were   a  combination  of   the  supplementals                                                                    
presented  earlier to  the  committee as  well  as the  ones                                                                    
presented the past week. The  operating amendments in the FY                                                                    
26  budget  totaled $300  million  in  all funds,  including                                                                    
$32.3  million UGF.  The capital  supplementals totaled  $12                                                                    
million, including $11.6  million UGF, for a  grand total of                                                                    
$312  million  in  all  funds and  $43.9  million  UGF.  The                                                                    
overall deficit  was $1.56 billion  (shown at the  bottom of                                                                    
the table on slide 2).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders moved  to slide  3  titled "Operating  Governor                                                                    
Amend  Requests" by  agency. She  noted there  were detailed                                                                    
spreadsheets   in  the   back  of   members'  packets   with                                                                    
additional information  (copy on  file). The  amended budget                                                                    
incorporated changes for the  implementation of a department                                                                    
of agriculture in FY 26  established in Executive Order (EO)                                                                    
136. Two  pieces had been submitted,  including the transfer                                                                    
of  37   existing  positions  and  $7.2   million  from  the                                                                    
Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR); and an  addition of                                                                    
$2.7 million for new positions  and startup costs. She noted                                                                    
there  had been  changes in  the past  several days  and the                                                                    
$2.7  million would  be backed  out to  result in  a neutral                                                                    
cost for EO 136.  The administration was reevaluating vacant                                                                    
positions that  could be utilized  instead of adding  to the                                                                    
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  moved to operating  amendment requests  for the                                                                    
Department of  Administration (DOA)  on slide 3.  There were                                                                    
two  projects   related  to  artificial   intelligence  (AI)                                                                    
initiatives. The  first was to  offer Microsoft  Copilot 365                                                                    
to  2,000   state  employees,  allowing  them   to  be  more                                                                    
productive in their  work. The second was  two short-term AI                                                                    
projects  for the  Department of  Environmental Conservation                                                                    
(DEC) and  DOA. The first was  for DEC to improve  its forms                                                                    
and  permitting processes  through  the use  of  AI and  the                                                                    
second was for  DOA to utilize AI for  payroll processes and                                                                    
forms improvements.  There were two  significant adjustments                                                                    
within the Department of Corrections (DOC).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:42:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked about the Microsoft  Copilot AI.                                                                    
He remarked  he had the free  app on his phone.  He imagined                                                                    
the cost to  the state would not be free.  He referenced the                                                                    
stated  goal of  improving  performance  and efficiency.  He                                                                    
asked  if  the  administration   was  looking  to  eliminate                                                                    
positions   that   would   be   unnecessary   due   to   AI.                                                                    
Alternatively,  he  wondered  if  the  idea  was  to  enable                                                                    
employees   to  be   more   productive   in  their   current                                                                    
employment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Sanders  replied   that  the   goal  was   to  improve                                                                    
performance  for  employees to  ensure  they  could be  more                                                                    
productive. She  elaborated that there  were a lot  of needs                                                                    
in the  state and things  took time; therefore, it  would be                                                                    
beneficial if  the timeliness of processing  things could be                                                                    
improved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  what the  employees  would  be                                                                    
doing with the program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  responded  that   she  could  provide  general                                                                    
examples.   One   thing   was  processing   paperwork.   She                                                                    
elaborated that  currently people were filling  out forms or                                                                    
spreadsheets manually.  She detailed that  if the use  of AI                                                                    
could improve  the processes and  timeliness, it would  be a                                                                    
benefit to employees. She explained  that it could slow down                                                                    
processing time backlog.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:44:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked where he could  find the version                                                                    
of  the  program the  state  would  be  paying for.  He  was                                                                    
interested in looking it up and reviewing the capabilities.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders replied  that she  did  not have  an answer  on                                                                    
hand.  She would  have DOA  follow up  with a  response. She                                                                    
continued  with  slide  3 and  highlighted  two  significant                                                                    
adjustments  in the  DOC budget.  The first  was related  to                                                                    
community residential centers (CRCs).  She detailed that the                                                                    
CRC  contracts  were  recently finalized,  resulting  in  an                                                                    
increase of $1.4 million for  FY 26. Additionally, there was                                                                    
a technical  correction throughout  the budget that  hit DOC                                                                    
with a larger  impact reflected as a $5.5  million change in                                                                    
the  "Other" column.  When the  budget  was submitted  there                                                                    
were  fund source  changes associated  with the  Restorative                                                                    
Justice Account  or "felon funds" (incarcerated  felons that                                                                    
were  no longer  eligible  to receive  their Permanent  Fund                                                                    
Dividend  (PFD)). The  calculation used  in the  budget only                                                                    
accounted for  individuals who had actually  applied instead                                                                    
of individuals  who were  eligible to  receive the  PFD. The                                                                    
technical  correction   fixed  the  amount   of  Restorative                                                                    
Justice funds  appropriated in the  budget. The  item showed                                                                    
up   in  several   places  in   the  budget   including  the                                                                    
legislature's budget  or fund capitalizations for  the Crime                                                                    
Victim Compensation Fund. The  correction ensured the budget                                                                    
followed the  statutory formula on the  amount available for                                                                    
appropriation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:46:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum referenced the  AI component that would                                                                    
cover 2,000  employees under  the [Microsoft]  licensing. He                                                                    
stated that AI  was a new space and a  very powerful tool if                                                                    
an employee was  trained to use it effectively.  He asked if                                                                    
there was anything  done prior to specify  the program would                                                                    
be launched  with 2,000  employees as  opposed to  a smaller                                                                    
group   to    determine   if   the    investment   increased                                                                    
productivity. He  pointed out  that if  an employee  did not                                                                    
understand  the capabilities  of the  technology or  did not                                                                    
use the program, it would  be something the state was paying                                                                    
for that sat on a desktop and did not get utilized.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  stated there  were individuals  currently using                                                                    
the AI program to see  what capabilities existed. She stated                                                                    
that whether it was being  documented in terms of the number                                                                    
of users  and how it  was being  used were "one  off cases."                                                                    
She explained  that the increment  would provide a  tool and                                                                    
resource  to  agencies  to  start  the  pilot  project  type                                                                    
initiative to determine who could  use it and where it could                                                                    
be used  effectively and efficiently. She  stated there were                                                                    
15,000  state employees  and not  every employee  would need                                                                    
Microsoft  Copilot.  She stated  that  a  specific group  of                                                                    
individuals  would be  utilizing the  program as  a tool  to                                                                    
automate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum asked  if  it would  be available  for                                                                    
2,000 employees  and departments  would have the  ability to                                                                    
purchase  the program  or if  it  would be  deployed out  to                                                                    
2,000 people without request.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   answered  that  the  Office   of  Information                                                                    
Technology would  have 2,000 licenses to  work with agencies                                                                    
to  determine  who  would receive  them.  She  continued  to                                                                    
review slide 3 and highlighted  increments for DEED. The two                                                                    
primary  items  were   similar  to  supplementals  submitted                                                                    
related  to  the  Alaska Performance  Scholarships  and  the                                                                    
Alaska  Education  grants  to ensure  there  was  sufficient                                                                    
authority  based  on  the  passage   of  law  in  2024  that                                                                    
increased the  number of eligible applicants  and the dollar                                                                    
value.  She  moved to  an  addition  for the  Department  of                                                                    
Environmental   Conservation   (DEC)   to   assume   federal                                                                    
authorization  of  the  state  program  and  administer  and                                                                    
enforce  the  dredge  and fill  permitting  program  allowed                                                                    
under the  Clean Water Act. The  request was the first  of a                                                                    
phased approach  and would provide five  positions necessary                                                                    
to   develop  the   application   process   and  start   the                                                                    
development   of   the   regulations   and   guidance.   The                                                                    
administration recognized  that five positions would  not be                                                                    
able to  fully operate the program  and it would be  back in                                                                    
the future years  to discuss what the next  steps would look                                                                    
like under a fully developed plan.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:50:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders addressed  the Department  of  Health (DOH)  on                                                                    
slide 3. The most significant  change was under the Medicaid                                                                    
program.  She  elaborated  that  Medicaid  projections  were                                                                    
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provided on  December 15   and  February 12.   There  was an                                                                    
addition of  $19.6 million  in match  and $220.6  million in                                                                    
federal receipts  to bring the  budget in line  with current                                                                    
projections. There were several  items adding funding to the                                                                    
base  for  the  Division   of  Public  Assistance  (DPA)  to                                                                    
continue  its efforts  processing applications  and ensuring                                                                    
individuals receive timely  application responses. There was                                                                    
$8.2 million  split between $4.1  million in match  and $4.1                                                                    
million in federal receipts to  continue the virtual contact                                                                    
center. The  center handled  approximately 20,000  to 24,000                                                                    
eligibility  calls  per  month. Additionally,  there  was  a                                                                    
request   to   add   15  permanent   full-time   eligibility                                                                    
technicians  to  the  base  budget  to  continue  processing                                                                    
applications,  renewals, and  reports  of  change to  public                                                                    
assistance. The  Department of Natural Resources  (DNR) line                                                                    
on slide 3  showed the transfer funding from DNR  to the new                                                                    
department of agriculture.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:52:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked about  the 15 permanent full-time                                                                    
eligibility  technicians.  He  asked  if it  was  a  lateral                                                                    
transfer  from the  long-term  non-permanent positions  that                                                                    
had been  in the budget the  last couple of years.  He asked                                                                    
for  the  current vacancy  rate  above  the factor  for  DPA                                                                    
technicians. He thought it had been on the high side.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders answered  it was an addition of  15 positions in                                                                    
the   base  budget,   not  non-permanent   positions  moving                                                                    
forward.  The department  had seen  more success  in filling                                                                    
full-time long-term  positions because of the  job security.                                                                    
The  department had  14 vacant  eligibility technicians  and                                                                    
the increment  would bring the number  to a total of  30 the                                                                    
department would be  attempting to fill in  the next several                                                                    
months.  The hope  was that  the department  could fill  the                                                                    
remaining 14  positions in the  current fiscal year  and the                                                                    
next 15 in FY 26.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:53:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders moved  to the Department of  Public Safety (DPS)                                                                    
on slide  3. The  governor's amend  request included  a $1.6                                                                    
million  increase  for  the Village  Public  Safety  Officer                                                                    
(VPSO)  program  for  the   Northwest  Arctic  Borough.  The                                                                    
department had  taken steps  in the  past several  months to                                                                    
fill  and   retain  its   VPSO  position   including  arming                                                                    
officers, providing  increased salaries,  addressing housing                                                                    
needs, and  costs associated with  equipment. She  noted the                                                                    
request  was included  in the  FY 26  budget and  the FY  25                                                                    
supplemental budget.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   continued  on  slide   3  and   reviewed  the                                                                    
University  of   Alaska  line.  The   professional  teaching                                                                    
program was  transferring from the  University to  DEED. She                                                                    
noted that the slide did  not show several pages included in                                                                    
members'  backup documents  (copy  on  file). She  explained                                                                    
that  the University  submitted many  transactions to  align                                                                    
with intent  language submitted by  the legislature  in 2024                                                                    
under AS 37.07.020(e)  and had to do  with reflecting annual                                                                    
facility   and  maintenance   operation  and   repair  costs                                                                    
separate  from  the other  costs  within  their budget.  She                                                                    
noted  that the  items had  a net  zero cost.  Lastly, under                                                                    
debt  service  and  fund   capitalizations  there  were  two                                                                    
technical adjustments.  The first  was $1.3 million  for the                                                                    
school fund to  align the budget with  the revenue forecast.                                                                    
The  second was  funding  from the  Power Cost  Equalization                                                                    
(PCE)  fund provided  to the  Community Assistance  Program.                                                                    
Due to a miscalculation,  the amount available was incorrect                                                                    
by $163,700.  The governor's amendment provided  a technical                                                                    
correction to the error.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders moved  to slide  4  showing the  FY 26  capital                                                                    
budget  amendment   requests.  There  were  two   items  for                                                                    
Department of  Commerce, Community and  Economic Development                                                                    
(DCCED)  including  a  $2.7   million  increase  in  federal                                                                    
authority for  the Alaska Energy Authority's  Statewide Grid                                                                    
Resilience  and  Reliability  Project.   There  was  also  a                                                                    
request  for   $600,000  to  provide   three  organizational                                                                    
grants. Alaska  statute allowed organizational grants  to be                                                                    
provided  when a  new borough  or municipality  was created.                                                                    
There was  a pending  election for  the Hoonah  Borough that                                                                    
would receive the grant if it was certified.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked  Ms. Sanders to repeat  the name of                                                                    
the borough.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   replied,  "Hoonah."   She  noted   there  was                                                                    
contingency language specifying that  the money would not go                                                                    
out if the certification was not complete.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:57:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed a $1.5  a $1.5 million capital project                                                                    
under DEED for the Mount  Edgecumbe High School. The project                                                                    
would  provide for  an elevator  on  the campus  to bring  a                                                                    
facility up  to ADA  compliance. She  moved to  an increment                                                                    
for DNR  that was  not included  in the  governor's original                                                                    
budget for  the Natural  Historic Preservation  Fund federal                                                                    
grant  program. She  detailed it  was a  $2 million  federal                                                                    
grant program with  a $1.3 million match. There  was a phase                                                                    
2 request for DPS for  the Fairbanks trooper post renovation                                                                    
completion.  She  elaborated  that  DPS  received  about  $5                                                                    
million  to  begin  the two-phase  renovation  project.  She                                                                    
detailed  that  the requested  $6.2  million  was needed  to                                                                    
complete the project.  There was a $2  million project under                                                                    
DOT for the state managed  seaplane base and harbor facility                                                                    
maintenance. She  explained that seaplane bases  and harbors                                                                    
were  not covered  under  the  state's deferred  maintenance                                                                    
program  and  significant  electrical   work  needed  to  be                                                                    
completed  at several  harbors in  addition to  other repair                                                                    
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  why the  seaplane harbors  were                                                                    
not under the deferred maintenance umbrella.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  answered  that deferred  maintenance  included                                                                    
things  like  buildings  and   things  like  state  runways,                                                                    
seaplane  bases, and  harbors were  typically excluded.  She                                                                    
stated there  could be a conversation  about including those                                                                    
items,  but currently  deferred maintenance  was limited  to                                                                    
physical facilities. She  noted that the list  could grow if                                                                    
the other things were added.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked if  there were any  other things                                                                    
the state  owned that were  technically not  facilities that                                                                    
needed preventative maintenance and deferred maintenance.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered state owned runways.  She thought they                                                                    
could come up  with additional items as  they worked through                                                                    
agencies needing to do maintenance to their facilities.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:00:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed FY  25 operating supplemental requests                                                                    
on  slide 5.  The  first item  fell under  DCCED  and was  a                                                                    
reversal  of  $50  million  requested   in  the  fast  track                                                                    
supplemental  to   AIDEA.  She   explained  that   when  the                                                                    
appropriation  was  first  submitted, timing  on  the  final                                                                    
investment decision  (FID) was uncertain and  anticipated it                                                                    
could  occur  within  the fiscal  year.  The  timeframe  was                                                                    
revised and expected to take  up to 24 months, which removed                                                                    
the urgency surrounding the appropriation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  if  the  legislature was  still                                                                    
supposed to  backstop the funding  or if the cost  was being                                                                    
pushed out into the future a couple of years.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded  that AIDEA had $50  million set aside                                                                    
for the intended purpose. She  stated her understanding that                                                                    
the backstop was still in place based on what AIDEA had.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked if  the state was not reimbursing                                                                    
AIDEA  anymore  because  AIDEA could  use  its  own  receipt                                                                    
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that no  backstop would be  provided at                                                                    
the present time.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  understood  the AIDEA  reversal  but                                                                    
observed there was $225,000 remaining  in other funding. She                                                                    
asked what the increment pertained to.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:03:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered there was  a separate item  related to                                                                    
AEA. She  explained that when  the budget was  submitted, it                                                                    
included a  project submitted as a  reappropriation for data                                                                    
library     administration    hosting,     expansion,    and                                                                    
digitization.   After  talking   with  LFD,   it  had   been                                                                    
determined the item was not  a reappropriation and it should                                                                    
have  come  from an  emerging  energy  technology fund.  The                                                                    
increment was  a $225,000 direct appropriation  instead of a                                                                    
reappropriation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if the fund  lived within AIDEA                                                                    
or AEA.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  that  it was  AEA  and separate  from                                                                    
AIDEA.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:04:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Sanders  advanced   to   the  operating   supplemental                                                                    
increment for DOC on slide 5.  There was a $7.5 million fund                                                                    
source change from federal receipts  to state general funds.                                                                    
The change was also reflected in  the FY 26 budget. A change                                                                    
made by the U.S. Marshals  resulted in fewer federal mandays                                                                    
reducing federal collections in  both fiscal years. The item                                                                    
brought the budget  in line with expectations  of what would                                                                    
not be collected. There was  a $3 million request Department                                                                    
of Family  and Community Services  (DFCS) similar to  the FY                                                                    
26  budget, to  ensure  continued operations  at the  Alaska                                                                    
Psychiatric Institute  (API). She detailed that  the Centers                                                                    
for  Medicare  and  Medicaid   Services  (CMS)  reduced  the                                                                    
disproportionate    share    hospital   (DSH)    allocations                                                                    
nationally, which reduced the  federal funds the state could                                                                    
collect and required  an increase of $3  million to continue                                                                    
operations.  She  addressed  items  for  the  Department  of                                                                    
Health (DOH). The first was  $5.9 million within DOH and the                                                                    
second was  $5.9 million  under special  appropriations. She                                                                    
explained  that  DOH was  officially  notified  by the  U.S.                                                                    
Department of  Agriculture (USDA)  regarding the  state's FY                                                                    
23  error rate  for  the  Supplemental Assistance  Nutrition                                                                    
Program (SNAP). She detailed that  the situation resulted in                                                                    
a  penalty of  $11.9 million.  There was  an option  for the                                                                    
state to  pay half of  the penalty and invest  the remaining                                                                    
half in  new investments  to improve the  state's processes.                                                                    
The increment  shown on  the DOH line  on slide  5 reflected                                                                    
the  investment  for  one-time  technology  improvements  to                                                                    
target   increased   efficiency,   improve   accuracy,   and                                                                    
streamline processes. She stated  there was an appropriation                                                                    
under  the Department  of Law  (DOL) to  pay the  penalty of                                                                    
$5.9  million.  She  elaborated  that in  May  of  2021  the                                                                    
Department  of  Health  and Social  Services  experienced  a                                                                    
cybersecurity attack.  As a result, the  department reviewed                                                                    
all lapsing balances  to identify $10 million  that could be                                                                    
encumbered  in   the  accounting   system  to   address  any                                                                    
potential  liability for  fines incurred  due to  the event.                                                                    
There was no  longer a potential for a fine  and the request                                                                    
was to  reappropriate the $10  million to meet a  portion of                                                                    
the  reinvestment  cost as  well  as  the penalty  due.  The                                                                    
proposal  required $1.9  million to  make up  the difference                                                                    
between the $11.9  million and the $10  million available in                                                                    
the reappropriation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:08:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin stated  it was the first  time she had                                                                    
heard about the state being  fined by the federal government                                                                    
for not being an efficient  passthrough of federal funds for                                                                    
SNAP.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  when the  state  had  learned                                                                    
about the fine.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  that  she had  learned  about it  one                                                                    
month back. She  stated it covered the  applications for the                                                                    
FY 23 time period.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin recalled  that in  2022 and  2023 the                                                                    
legislature  had heard  about the  significant backlog  from                                                                    
the department and  the legislature had asked  what it could                                                                    
do to  help. She stated there  was very little other  than a                                                                    
few  positions that  had been  requested and  a little  help                                                                    
with an  old computer software  system. She stated  that she                                                                    
was befuddled  by the situation because  the legislature had                                                                    
made an earnest ask about  how to address the situation. She                                                                    
remarked that it  was one thing to be  worried about getting                                                                    
fined by  the federal government,  but it was  another thing                                                                    
to know  that children and  families were needing  food. She                                                                    
understood the  governor offered something through  the Food                                                                    
Bank that was  helpful in an emergency  situation. She noted                                                                    
it was one-tenth of the  funding going out through SNAP. She                                                                    
stressed  that it  was the  legislature's job  to make  sure                                                                    
systems were  fully funded in  order for  the implementation                                                                    
to be  thorough and  efficient and  certainly, so  the state                                                                    
did  not get  fined  $11  million. She  asked  if they  were                                                                    
accomplishing what was needed.  The legislature had recently                                                                    
been told there was still  a backlog. She was concerned that                                                                    
the $6  million [going  to new  investments] was  not enough                                                                    
and  that the  state was  getting fined.  She was  upset the                                                                    
legislature  was unable  to do  its job  because it  did not                                                                    
have sufficient information to do  it well and now the state                                                                    
was getting fined. She found it deeply concerning.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson shared the concern.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered that there  were investments  made and                                                                    
30   non-permanent   positions   added.   There   had   been                                                                    
significant adds  in 2024  to stand  up the  virtual contact                                                                    
center.  Additionally,   there  were  IT   improvements  and                                                                    
funding,  and the  department was  working hard  to get  the                                                                    
changes   implemented  and   available  to   residents.  She                                                                    
understood  the  concern with  an  $11.9  million fine.  She                                                                    
recognized it was a big number.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:12:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  knew  there were  some  options  the                                                                    
state could  have taken  to give out  SNAP cards  instead of                                                                    
going  through the  backlog line.  She highlighted  that the                                                                    
state  had some  options  that other  states  were doing  to                                                                    
avoid getting  fined. She wondered  why Alaska had  not made                                                                    
the  same decision,  which would  have  avoided the  current                                                                    
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  that there  were steps  taken by  the                                                                    
state. She  was not an expert  in the area and  did not want                                                                    
to make  inaccurate statements on  the record.  She deferred                                                                    
the question to DOH.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PAM HALLORAN, ASSISTANT  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH,                                                                    
replied  that  the  department   shared  the  concerns.  She                                                                    
explained that the situation started  prior to COVID-19 when                                                                    
a previous director  decided against doing all  of the steps                                                                    
required  to  certify,  including  the  interview.  In  2004                                                                    
[2024]  the   department  reported  to  the   House  Finance                                                                    
Committee that it  had opted to waive  the interview process                                                                    
in order  to get  food into  people's hands.  She elaborated                                                                    
that it was a decision  made by the department's leadership.                                                                    
A couple of months after  that time, the department had been                                                                    
able to get caught up. In  the meantime, there were a number                                                                    
of improvements  the department had  made. She  could follow                                                                    
up with more detail.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp thought  it was  necessary to  clarify                                                                    
what was  being discussed. He  stated that the fine  was due                                                                    
to  a payment  error rate  that occurred  because the  state                                                                    
gave out food stamps to  people who were not eligible (i.e.,                                                                    
because there was a backlog,  food stamps had been given out                                                                    
to  everyone,  which was  the  reason  the state  was  being                                                                    
fined). He asked if his statements were accurate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Halloran  answered that they  continued food  stamps for                                                                    
people  who   were  already   receiving  food   stamps.  She                                                                    
clarified that there had not  been a free-for-all of handing                                                                    
out food stamps. She elaborated  that the stamps had gone to                                                                    
eligible Alaskans.  The department  was required  to recheck                                                                    
eligibility  and it  opted not  to in  order to  renew their                                                                    
benefit.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  stated  his  understanding  that  the                                                                    
state was required to check  eligibility, but because of the                                                                    
backlog  the department  had  waived  eligibility to  ensure                                                                    
people received  food stamps. He  asked for  verification it                                                                    
was the reason the state was being fined.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Halloran answered affirmatively.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:16:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster thought  it  went back  to  his point  that                                                                    
there  were  not enough  people  processing  the papers.  He                                                                    
stated that the  fines went back to 2023 and  his office was                                                                    
receiving calls  daily in 2024  and 2025 and there  were not                                                                    
enough  people  working  in  the  division  to  process  the                                                                    
papers. He considered  that if the fines were  from 2023, he                                                                    
foresaw  there would  likely  be more  fines  coming in  the                                                                    
future. He  was glad  Representative Galvin  had highlighted                                                                    
the issue  because it was  likely one of the  biggest things                                                                    
his office  had been  dealing with.  He provided  history of                                                                    
the positions.  In 2021, the  governor proposed  cutting 101                                                                    
positions  in public  assistance. The  House had  funded all                                                                    
101 positions,  the Senate  had cut the  funding back  to 50                                                                    
positions,  and the  governor vetoed  all 101  positions. He                                                                    
noted  that 30  positions had  been added  back in  the past                                                                    
several  years. He  believed  the FY  26  budget included  a                                                                    
proposal to  cut $8 million  and 30 positions. He  asked Ms.                                                                    
Sanders for detail.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  answered  that the  $8  million  was  one-time                                                                    
funding  added   in  the  budget  the   previous  year.  She                                                                    
explained  that  one-time items  were  reversed  out of  the                                                                    
budget. There  was a request  to add 15  permanent positions                                                                    
back to the base.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster was  glad to hear it. He had  a meeting with                                                                    
the commissioner about  the topic and he  understood she was                                                                    
very  supportive of  trying  to  get it  taken  care of.  He                                                                    
stated  that his  heartstrings went  out to  the individuals                                                                    
who had gone weeks and  months [without food assistance]. He                                                                    
shared that he had received  an email from a constituent the                                                                    
previous day stating  that she had kids and  had been unable                                                                    
to get  assistance for good.  The constituent had  asked how                                                                    
they  were going  to eat.  He felt  like he  wanted to  send                                                                    
money to the woman.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  continued  addressing  operating  supplemental                                                                    
requests  on slide  5. She  moved to  the Department  of Law                                                                    
(DOL) and highlighted a  $1 million multiyear appropriation.                                                                    
She detailed  that labor  relations moved  from DOA  to DOL.                                                                    
Formerly, there  had been a  multiyear appropriation  to DOA                                                                    
to  contract   for  assistance  with  negotiations   in  the                                                                    
bargaining  unit  agreements.  The prior  appropriation  had                                                                    
been  expended. As  labor relations  was implemented  in DOL                                                                    
there  was   a  request  to   bring  back  the   $1  million                                                                    
appropriation  in   order  to  move  forward   with  getting                                                                    
bargaining agreements done timely.  There was a $1.6 million                                                                    
request under  DPS for the  Northwest Arctic  Borough's VPSO                                                                    
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage referenced  the DPS  supplemental and  the                                                                    
fact  that  the  state  had   already  hired  VPSOs  in  the                                                                    
Northwest Arctic Borough. He asked  why the increment was in                                                                    
the supplemental.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered that it  was a grant to  the community                                                                    
beyond  the standard  VPSO program.  She explained  that the                                                                    
community had taken steps to  expand the costs needed within                                                                    
their  VPSO program  including  increasing salaries,  arming                                                                    
VPSOs,  and  increasing  the   number.  The  grant  provided                                                                    
additional  funds to  the community  due to  its success  in                                                                    
growing the program and retaining officers.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage  thought  the grant  was  generally  given                                                                    
first   before   communities   hired  officers   and   other                                                                    
improvements. He  was confused  about why the  community had                                                                    
hired the  VPSOs and the  state was  retroactively providing                                                                    
the grant. He  trying to understand the  process better, but                                                                    
he also expressed concern and  asked if a community was able                                                                    
to  act on  behalf of  the  state and  obligate state  funds                                                                    
without  the legislature  having  to  appropriate the  funds                                                                    
ahead of time.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  that the  community  took actions  to                                                                    
increase  its program  and it  had an  associated cost.  The                                                                    
community  had asked  for support  in providing  the program                                                                    
and the increased cost was a result.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage asked  if the  community communicated  its                                                                    
intent  to do  so ahead  of time  or if  the state  was only                                                                    
notified after the action had been taken.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that  she could not  speak to  what the                                                                    
community did  or did not  do. The request had  been brought                                                                    
forward and  public safety was  a priority of  the governor.                                                                    
The administration  wanted to see  the VPSO  program succeed                                                                    
to ensure the needs of communities could be met.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:23:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  if  there would  be  an FY  26                                                                    
amendment in the same amount.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied there was  an identical amount in the FY                                                                    
26 budget.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum referenced the  VPSO program and timing                                                                    
for  funding. He  referenced  Ms.  Sanders's statement  that                                                                    
public  safety was  a  priority of  the  governor. He  asked                                                                    
about the measure  of success. He wondered if  it was hiring                                                                    
and retaining people or some other metric.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders responded  that the  efficacy was  evidenced by                                                                    
the  successful   retaining  and  recruiting  in   the  VPSO                                                                    
program. She  shared that  the last she  had heard  from the                                                                    
VPSO  program and  DPS was  that  all of  the public  safety                                                                    
officer positions were filled. She  highlighted it was a big                                                                    
feat,  especially in  some of  the rural  communities across                                                                    
the state. There had been a  history of a lot of turnover in                                                                    
the  positions.  She stated  it  was  a success  and  public                                                                    
safety was a priority of the governor.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage understood public  safety was a priority of                                                                    
the  administration and  that the  Northwest Arctic  Borough                                                                    
had been  successful in increasing VPSOs,  which he believed                                                                    
was  a great  thing. He  voiced concerns  about the  way the                                                                    
increment  transpired.  Given  that   public  safety  was  a                                                                    
priority of  the governor's, he asked  if the administration                                                                    
was  encouraging  all  communities  to  hire  everyone  they                                                                    
could.  He asked  if there  was an  increment in  the FY  26                                                                    
budget to account  for the hiring of some  unknown number of                                                                    
VPSOs. He  asked how  he was supposed  to predict  the costs                                                                    
for the coming  year if the legislature was  informed of new                                                                    
hires after the  fact. He noted that public  safety was also                                                                    
a priority of  his and he was encouraged to  hear there were                                                                    
new VPSOs;  however, in a constrained  fiscal environment he                                                                    
was concerned  the state was  allowing action to  take place                                                                    
with  no   appropriation  from   the  legislature   and  the                                                                    
legislature  was expected  to  foot the  bill  for the  cost                                                                    
after  the fact.  He stated  his understanding  that if  the                                                                    
legislature  rejected the  increment, the  individuals would                                                                    
be fired. He asked how to deal with it moving forward.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders answered  that it was a grant  to the community.                                                                    
She  remarked   that  the  legislature  had   the  power  of                                                                    
appropriation and  if the funds  were not provided  it would                                                                    
be  incumbent  on  the community  to  determine  what  moved                                                                    
forward. She stated  she would not say people  were going to                                                                    
get fired.  There was a request  in the FY 26  budget for an                                                                    
additional  15 VPSOs  across the  state. The  administration                                                                    
was addressing  the growth in  the next fiscal year  and was                                                                    
continuing to  see increases in  the program.  She clarified                                                                    
that the request for FY 26 was either 10 or 15 positions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  recognized Representative Chuck  Kopp in                                                                    
the  room. He  asked  about an  Alaska Vocational  Technical                                                                    
Center  (AVTEC)  issue under  the  Department  of Labor  and                                                                    
Workforce Development (DLWD).                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  answered that  the  increment  pertained to  a                                                                    
recalculation of the  Technical Vocational Education Program                                                                    
(TVEP).  There   were  additional  receipts   available  for                                                                    
distribution and the  item showed up in DEED,  DLWD, and the                                                                    
University. She moved to fund  capitalizations at the bottom                                                                    
of slide 5.  The first item added an  additional $11 million                                                                    
to the Disaster Relief Fund,  bringing total requests for FY                                                                    
25 to  $29 million. The request  for FY 26 was  $13 million.                                                                    
There  were  two  significant  increases  and  notifications                                                                    
received recently including $15  million associated with the                                                                    
Merbok  storm  on  Alaska's west  coast  and  an  additional                                                                    
increase  for the  Mat-Su winter  storm.  The total  request                                                                    
covered the  costs associated with  the storms  and provided                                                                    
$5 million  to address any  disasters in the next  couple of                                                                    
months.  The  second  item  was  under  the  fire  fund  and                                                                    
included $7 million to address  the upcoming fire season and                                                                    
$3 million for the closeout of the FY 2024 fire season.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:28:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  turned  to capital  supplemental  requests  on                                                                    
slide  6.  The two  increments  included  a named  recipient                                                                    
grant  to  the   Blood  Bank  of  Alaska   to  finalize  the                                                                    
certification  of the  donor testing  laboratory that  would                                                                    
flow  through  DCCED  and a  technical  correction  for  the                                                                    
Alaska  Oil and  Gas  Conservation  Commission (AOGCC)  data                                                                    
management project to  break the project into  two phases to                                                                    
address receipts collected in  the current year and receipts                                                                    
utilized in a future year.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson remarked  that the  state was  not in  a                                                                    
position to afford the increments  in the governor's amended                                                                    
budget. He  noted the total  including the  indebtedness was                                                                    
about $150  million. He could think  of one way to  fund the                                                                    
items.  He realized  the legislature  was the  appropriating                                                                    
body  and ultimately  decided funding  sources. He  asked if                                                                    
the  administration  had any  other  guidance  or wanted  to                                                                    
participate in finding funding sources to pay the bills.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  affirmatively.  She  stated that  the                                                                    
current proposed budget drew  from the Constitutional Budget                                                                    
Reserve (CBR). She relayed that  the governor was willing to                                                                    
have  conversations  about what  the  future  may look  like                                                                    
recognizing  that  the  current  fiscal  situation  was  not                                                                    
looking great  and there were  limited resources  to address                                                                    
the various needs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  referenced   that  the  supplemental                                                                    
capital  request for  the Blood  Bank. She  stated that  the                                                                    
entity  had received  state funds  for the  specific purpose                                                                    
several  years  in a  row.  She  asked  if there  were  cost                                                                    
overruns.  She  wondered why  the  item  was a  supplemental                                                                    
request as opposed to an FY 26 capital request.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  that it  was  to get  funding to  the                                                                    
Blood Bank as  quickly as possible in order  to finalize the                                                                    
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan  asked   if  the   Blood  Bank   had                                                                    
underestimated  the   cost  by  $500,000  or   exceed  their                                                                    
expected  cost   by  $500,000.  She  highlighted   that  the                                                                    
legislature had provided  funding for the item  for the past                                                                    
three years.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  it was  the last  piece of  the total                                                                    
request that was broken into three phases.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  stated it  was a  little frustrating.                                                                    
She stated the legislature had  been generous with the Blood                                                                    
Bank,  but  no  information  was being  provided  about  the                                                                    
reason  for the  additional increment.  She elaborated  that                                                                    
there   had  been   numerous   funding   requests  and   the                                                                    
legislature kept being told the  facility would be open soon                                                                    
and there  would be testing  in Alaska instead of  paying to                                                                    
ship [blood samples] out. She  was confused about the reason                                                                    
for a  supplemental item.  She underscored  that it  had not                                                                    
been  a year  since the  legislature appropriated  money for                                                                    
the final  total cost  of the  project and  now there  was a                                                                    
request for another $500,000.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:32:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked how  to explain doing  an $83.6                                                                    
million supplemental in times of a deficit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   answered  there  were  urgent   needs  to  be                                                                    
addressed such as  the Disaster Relief Fund  and the ability                                                                    
to  respond [to  disasters]. There  were currently  reserves                                                                    
available  in  the  CBR  to  address  the  urgent  needs  of                                                                    
Alaskans.  She stated  that trying  to prioritize  the needs                                                                    
was not an easy task.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  was curious  about the  manday dispute                                                                    
with  the  DOC and  U.S.  Marshals.  He stressed  that  $7.5                                                                    
million was a  substantial number of mandays to  not be able                                                                    
to be billables.  He asked whose responsibility  it was when                                                                    
related  to federal  prisoners. He  would take  the question                                                                    
offline.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB  53  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  54  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  55  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  56  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  85  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:34:03 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:35:19 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 78 Keith Brainard Testimony.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 78
HB 78 Letters of Support - rec'd as of 02.25.25.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 78
HB 78 Additional Document - Chilkat Valley News Artcle, October 8, 2024.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 78
02.27.25 OMB House Finance FY2026 Gov Amend Budget.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53
HB 55
HB 56
HB 85
Attachment B - FY2025 Op & Cap Supplemental Bill Spreadsheet_2.19.2025.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 56
HB 85
Attachment A - FY2026 Op & Cap Governor Amend 02.19.2025 Bill Spreadsheet Final.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53
HB 54
HB 55
HB 78 ACSA Presentation 2.27.25.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 78
HB 78 NEAA Presentation 022725.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 78
HB 78 Letter of Support WCC 2.24.25.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 78
HB 78 Public Testimony Rec'd by 030425.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 78
03.06.25 HFIN OMB Gov Amend Budget Response to 02.27.25 Hearing final.pdf HFIN 2/27/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53