Legislature(2025 - 2026)ADAMS 519

02/21/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:34:08 PM Start
01:35:17 PM Overview: Fy 26 Department Budget by the Public Defender Agency
02:14:28 PM Overview: Fy 26 Department Budget by Department of Law
03:10:35 PM Overview: Fy 26 Department Budget by the Alaska Court System
03:33:43 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 53 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 55 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ - Overview: FY26 Department Budget by Terrance TELECONFERENCED
Haas, Director, Public Defender Agency
+ - Overview: FY26 Department Budget by Noah Klein, TELECONFERENCED
Associate Counsel, Alaska Court System
+ - Overview: FY26 Department Budget by Cori Mills, TELECONFERENCED
Deputy Attorney General; John Skidmore, Deputy
Attorney General; and Amber LeBlanc,
Administrative Services Director, Department of
Law
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 53                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     making  reappropriations;  making appropriations  under                                                                    
     art.  IX,  sec. 17(c),  Constitution  of  the State  of                                                                    
     Alaska,  from the  constitutional budget  reserve fund;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 55                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: FY  26 DEPARTMENT BUDGET  BY THE  PUBLIC DEFENDER                                                                  
AGENCY                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRANCE  HAAS,  PUBLIC  DEFENDER, PUBLIC  DEFENDER  AGENCY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT   OF   ADMINISTRATION,  provided   a   PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation   titled  "State   of   Alaska  Department   of                                                                    
Administration  Public  Defender   Agency:  Presentation  to                                                                    
House Finance  Committee," dated February 21,  2025 (copy on                                                                    
file). He  noted that the  Public Defender Agency  (PDA) had                                                                    
been  well taken  care of  by  the legislature  in the  past                                                                    
couple of years and did not  have any big requests in the FY                                                                    
26 budget. He provided an  overview on slide 2. He described                                                                    
PDA as the frontline indigent  defense agency in Alaska. The                                                                    
agency took  83 to 85  percent of all  indigent appointments                                                                    
made by  the court after  determining an individual  did not                                                                    
have   sufficient  resources.   All   clients  were   either                                                                    
constitutionally  mandated   to  have  a  lawyer,   or  they                                                                    
received a  lawyer by  statute. He  noted that  the agency's                                                                    
enabling  statute  listed all  of  the  things for  which  a                                                                    
person could get a public defender.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas  shared that  the  agency  handled all  levels  of                                                                    
criminal charges as  long as they came  with the possibility                                                                    
of being jailed.  The agency also handled  family defense or                                                                    
Child  in Need  of Aid  (CINA) cases  (typically one  of the                                                                    
parents  and sometimes  one of  the children)  when children                                                                    
were taken  into custody and  parental rights were  at risk.                                                                    
The agency  handled civil commitment cases  when individuals                                                                    
were  brought into  the state's  custody  for mental  health                                                                    
reasons, also known as Title 47  cases. In all of the cases,                                                                    
if a  disposition in  the case resulted  in a  conviction or                                                                    
someone's children  being removed  or parental  rights being                                                                    
terminated, or an individual was  held in a facility of some                                                                    
kind, the agency's Post-Conviction  Unit handled appeals and                                                                    
petitions  for   post-conviction  relief.  Appeals   were  a                                                                    
request  to a  higher court  to make  a decision,  whereas a                                                                    
post-conviction case occurred when  someone filed a separate                                                                    
case challenging  their conviction  saying their  lawyer was                                                                    
ineffective,  there   was  insufficient  evidence,   or  new                                                                    
evidence.   A  small   portion   of  PDA's   work  was   the                                                                    
administration of its own agency.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:38:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas  provided  a pie  chart  reflecting  attorneys  by                                                                    
practice area  on slide  3. The  agency's primary  focus was                                                                    
criminal work. The  agency had 20 lawyers  working on family                                                                    
defense  cases,  15  lawyers working  on  appeals  and  post                                                                    
convictions,   and   5   lawyers   handling   administration                                                                    
including oversight  of supervision and case  management. He                                                                    
moved  to a  map  of Alaska  on slide  4  showing where  the                                                                    
agency's attorneys, offices, and  vacancies were located. He                                                                    
clarified that a column titled  "Starting in 2025" reflected                                                                    
lawyers that had been hired  but, in most instances, had not                                                                    
yet graduated  from law school.  The individuals  would have                                                                    
to graduate  and pass  the bar prior  to starting  work. The                                                                    
"Recruiting  for" column  reflected positions  that had  not                                                                    
yet  been hired.  The total  number of  empty seats  was the                                                                    
total  of the  two  columns. His  focus  on recruitment  and                                                                    
retention  focused  on the  column  showing  the agency  was                                                                    
still recruiting. He had been  with the agency for just over                                                                    
a  year   and  prior  to   his  tenure  a   recruitment  and                                                                    
development  deputy  position  had   been  created  to  find                                                                    
lawyers  (experienced lawyers  if possible)  and to  oversee                                                                    
training  efforts. He  relayed that  one of  the things  the                                                                    
agency's  attorneys reported  when they  left was  that they                                                                    
felt  they were  handling  cases they  did  not know  enough                                                                    
about. He  explained that  if the  lawyers could  be trained                                                                    
and were given the tools  and support needed, they were more                                                                    
apt to stay with the agency.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas continued  reviewing slide  4. The  agency had  13                                                                    
offices spread across the state,  some were quite remote and                                                                    
some were  urban. Anchorage was the  largest office followed                                                                    
by Fairbanks and Palmer.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson referenced  Mr.  Haas's statement  about                                                                    
exit  interviews.  He  thought  Mr.  Haas  had  stated  that                                                                    
attorneys  reported not  knowing what  cases were  about. He                                                                    
interpreted it to mean that  the law was so complicated that                                                                    
the  lawyers  did not  always  know  if they  intellectually                                                                    
brought every argument possible.  He asked if attorneys were                                                                    
sufficiently trained on day one.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  replied that the  day a lawyer graduated  from law                                                                    
school they knew  almost nothing about how  to practice law.                                                                    
When  the  agency  hired  brand  new  lawyers  they  arrived                                                                    
needing to  know how to  do the  day-to-day work of  being a                                                                    
lawyer. Part of that  included gaining substantive knowledge                                                                    
in the  area they  were practicing  law. He  elaborated that                                                                    
lawyers were people who knew how  to learn the law, but they                                                                    
did not already  know it all. Whenever  possible, he started                                                                    
new lawyers  at a misdemeanor  level to have them  learn how                                                                    
things  worked from  there. He  elaborated  that in  private                                                                    
practice, new  lawyers or "baby  lawyers" in a big  firm did                                                                    
not know how to get something  to the courthouse and it took                                                                    
them  five  times  longer to  do  something  an  experienced                                                                    
lawyer would do  in a few minutes;  therefore, their billing                                                                    
rate was discounted. The PDA did  not bill hours, but it had                                                                    
to assume  new lawyers  would require  significant oversight                                                                    
resources. He noted that a failure  to do so could result in                                                                    
cases where  the conviction was  found later to  be unlawful                                                                    
or problematic in some other  way, which could result in the                                                                    
reversal of  a decision and could  create significantly more                                                                    
work. He relayed that the  agency was heavily focused on the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:42:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan  referenced   the  three   positions                                                                    
starting  in  Anchorage  and  three  positions  starting  in                                                                    
Bethel  in 2025.  She  observed that  the  agency was  still                                                                    
recruiting for  positions in other locations.  She asked how                                                                    
long a  person was bound  to a specific position  within the                                                                    
agency.  For example,  in the  education sector  a beginning                                                                    
teacher may take a remote job  before they could move to the                                                                    
road system in Palmer or  Fairbanks, which may be considered                                                                    
a better location in the  teaching world. She asked how long                                                                    
an attorney  had to remain  in Bethel after committing  to a                                                                    
position before they could internally look at other jobs.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas answered  it was  one of  the great  conundrums of                                                                    
operating  an  agency  in  Alaska.  He  described  it  as  a                                                                    
"mothership"   problem  where   so  much   of  the   state's                                                                    
population and resources were in  Anchorage and often it was                                                                    
viewed as  the place people  wanted to  be. One of  his jobs                                                                    
was to make it clear that an  attorney may want to be in one                                                                    
of  the rural  locations.  He shared  that  he practiced  in                                                                    
Bethel  for ten  years before  he was  a judge  in the  same                                                                    
location for  five years. He  viewed it  as one of  the best                                                                    
places to  possibly practice  and he  got a  lot out  of the                                                                    
experience.  He   explained  that  part  of   the  work  was                                                                    
communicating  to  young lawyers  what  could  be gained  by                                                                    
working in places  like Bethel and Nome. The  agency did not                                                                    
have an  exact policy requiring  individuals to commit  to a                                                                    
given number  of years  in a  specific location.  The agency                                                                    
made  it clear  that an  individual was  expected to  make a                                                                    
commitment  to  live  in a  specific  location  where  their                                                                    
clients were  located. He  elaborated that  individuals were                                                                    
also  told  that if  they  succeeded,  they were  likely  to                                                                    
advance  up in  the agency  more quickly  than if  they went                                                                    
directly to  work in  a city because  the agency  valued the                                                                    
experience.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan replied that  she was thrilled to hear                                                                    
Mr. Haas's response  and she recalled that he  had worked in                                                                    
Bethel and worked up to being  a judge. She presumed that he                                                                    
could  tell  a law  school  student  that by  practicing  in                                                                    
Bethel  they would  have  exposure to  a  wide diversity  of                                                                    
cases that they  may not see for years  working in Anchorage                                                                    
as one of  62 lawyers and they would see  the important role                                                                    
of a public defender daily in their community.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  agreed. He stated  that a person working  in rural                                                                    
Alaska doing a good job would show up on the radar.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if all 129  PCNs [position control                                                                    
numbers] were filled.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  clarified that there was  a total of 129  PCNs. He                                                                    
explained that 7  of that total had been hired,  but the new                                                                    
employees had not  yet started and 11 of  the total remained                                                                    
in open status.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked for  verification that  the agency                                                                    
was  trying  to fill  all  of  its  positions and  leave  no                                                                    
vacancies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas replied affirmatively.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:45:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  appreciated  hearing  there  was  no                                                                    
request for anything  more at the current  juncture. She had                                                                    
visited  six   of  the  prisons  during   the  interim.  She                                                                    
understood  some  incarcerated  Alaskans  were  waiting  for                                                                    
trial  and  had been  waiting  longer  than what  she  would                                                                    
consider to be a speedy trial.  She thought Mr. Haas made it                                                                    
sound like  everything was rolling along  perfectly, but she                                                                    
heard something different. She asked for context.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  responded that  he was happy  with the  way things                                                                    
were going within his agency,  but there were things to work                                                                    
on  in the  criminal justice  system. He  stated that  there                                                                    
were certainly  instances where  there was  a lot  of delay.                                                                    
One of  the difficulties  in the press  was there  were some                                                                    
cases that  stood out  as extreme  examples. He  was worried                                                                    
about those,  but "as  a good  bureaucrat" he  was concerned                                                                    
more about the  overall picture of things.  He remarked that                                                                    
there  was still  more delay  than there  should be  in many                                                                    
cases. He  saw slow  improvement, which was  not surprising.                                                                    
He explained that  sometimes he was hiring in  the middle of                                                                    
winter for  an attorney who  would not arrive  until August.                                                                    
He elaborated that when brand  new lawyers were hired it was                                                                    
necessary  to provide  the education  and support  needed to                                                                    
make  it to  the point  where they  were happy.  He remarked                                                                    
that it could be a snowball  effect if people were not happy                                                                    
or overworked and  it could result in the  loss of employees                                                                    
that had  to be built  back up. He  stated the agency  had a                                                                    
lot of  work to ensure  its lawyers had the  experience they                                                                    
needed. Additionally,  the agency had work  to do addressing                                                                    
the backlog.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked   for  verification  that  the                                                                    
agency had  a plan  where once  the younger  newer attorneys                                                                    
were trained that things would  level off and there would be                                                                    
a different  outcome with  regard to  the average  wait time                                                                    
for trials to begin.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  pledged to do his  part. He noted that  the number                                                                    
of   actors   and   people  involved   was   extraordinarily                                                                    
complicated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  observed that  Utqiagvik was shown  on the                                                                    
map  on slide  4.  He  asked why  it  was  not listed  under                                                                    
offices on  the slide. He  asked how those cases  were being                                                                    
managed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas answered that the  cases were currently managed out                                                                    
of Fairbanks, which he did not  like. He would like there to                                                                    
be an  attorney in the  Utqiagvik office; over the  years it                                                                    
had been the  most difficult office to  recruit for. Housing                                                                    
was an  enormous issue,  and he was  thinking about  ways to                                                                    
deal with it.  He had been in the office  for about one year                                                                    
and he  likened it to dog  years, meaning it was  about five                                                                    
minutes  of  agency  time.  He would  keep  working  on  the                                                                    
issues.  He relayed  that  Utqiagvik had  an  office with  a                                                                    
local  staff person,  but it  did not  have an  attorney. He                                                                    
reiterated that he would like to fix that.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  discussed workforce  development.  He                                                                    
stated it  was necessary  to take a  holistic review  of the                                                                    
pipeline  of everything  from  K-12 all  the  way to  people                                                                    
going into retirement and the  Department of Corrections was                                                                    
part of that.  He stated there was an ecosystem  in PDA that                                                                    
involved managing  caseload and  getting cases  resolved. He                                                                    
noted there  were people in  custody waiting for  trial with                                                                    
no convictions.  He referenced Mr. Haas's  statement that he                                                                    
was happy  with the way  things were currently.  He remarked                                                                    
that if  a person  was on  a sinking  ship and  everyone had                                                                    
their finger in  a hole, the person was  likely fairly happy                                                                    
with the  condition. He was trying  to get a better  idea of                                                                    
the holistic  ecosystem of the  criminal justice  system. He                                                                    
noted that PDA was one part  of that system. He asked if the                                                                    
agency   was   coordinating   through  the   Department   of                                                                    
Administration  (DOA)  to  look  at the  whole  picture  and                                                                    
determine  whether  justice  was being  done  for  residents                                                                    
whether it was prosecutions,  adjudicating, or defending. He                                                                    
was  interested to  learn how  the legislature  could get  a                                                                    
better picture  of the situation because  it was responsible                                                                    
for funding.  He wanted to  know how healthy the  system was                                                                    
and how to create efficiencies  to save money and adjudicate                                                                    
cases on a quicker timeline.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:52:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas answered  that how to determine  the overall health                                                                    
of  the system  was a  big  question. He  stated there  were                                                                    
indicators  of that  health, some  of  which were  difficult                                                                    
currently  and some  of which  were better.  He advanced  to                                                                    
slide 6  titled "PDA:  Workload Five-Year Lookback"  to help                                                                    
answer the  question. He  noted that  the slide  showed some                                                                    
basic  numbers reflecting  how cases  moved through  PDA. He                                                                    
clarified  that  the  Department  of  Law  was  a  different                                                                    
department and  the individuals he  reported to were  in DOA                                                                    
where  defense  services were  located.  He  noted that  the                                                                    
agency was  the "odd man out"  within DOA. He looked  at the                                                                    
information and noted  there was still a lot of  work to do,                                                                    
including pretrial  delay that was a  constant issue needing                                                                    
attention.  He looked  at  the number  of  cases coming  in,                                                                    
going out, and in the  open/active category. He pointed to a                                                                    
graph showing  that appointments from the  court (reflecting                                                                    
the numbers coming in) were  going down modestly from FY 20.                                                                    
He  remarked that  the  decrease  likely reflected  numerous                                                                    
things that would take a whole study to figure out.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  moved to the middle  graph on slide 6  showing the                                                                    
disposition rate: the rate at  which cases were resolved. He                                                                    
detailed that 100 percent would  mean the agency resolved as                                                                    
many cases as  it received. Anything over  100 percent meant                                                                    
the caseload  was shrinking and  anything under  100 percent                                                                    
indicated  the caseload  was  growing. The  rate  was at  90                                                                    
percent in  FY 20  and FY  21, indicating  a growth  rate of                                                                    
approximately 10 percent. By FY  22 the rate was 107 percent                                                                    
and  remained  over 100  percent  the  following two  years,                                                                    
meaning the caseload  was coming down. He  clarified that it                                                                    
did not  mean everyone was  happy and had the  caseload they                                                                    
needed and that  caseloads were as small as  they should be,                                                                    
but it meant that steady progress was being made.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas looked  at  the  third graph  on  slide 6  showing                                                                    
open/active cases in  January from FY 20 to FY  25. In FY 20                                                                    
the  number  was  10,000, which  increased  dramatically  to                                                                    
14,000 in FY 21. The number  had steadily declined and in FY                                                                    
25 it was 8,936. He  clarified that the caseloads were still                                                                    
very difficult and  the job was not easy. He  noted that the                                                                    
job would never  be easy, but the agency  should continue to                                                                    
bring the  numbers down. As  he recruited the  numbers would                                                                    
continue to decline.  He relayed that the graphs  on slide 6                                                                    
were  all indicators  of health  and progress.  He clarified                                                                    
that they  did not  suggest that a  goal had  been achieved,                                                                    
but they  strongly suggested that  the agency was  moving in                                                                    
the right  direction. As caseloads decreased,  lawyers would                                                                    
be  happier, stay  longer, gain  more  experience, and  they                                                                    
would be  able to handle their  caseloads effectively, which                                                                    
would allow  the agency to  move some of the  backlog cases.                                                                    
He believed other  presenters would be able to  talk in more                                                                    
detail about the types and age of cases.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  observed that the caseload  equated to                                                                    
130 cases per attorney if  the distribution was even. He did                                                                    
not  believe the  distribution was  even,  which meant  some                                                                    
offices were  overrun. He asked  what constituted  a healthy                                                                    
caseload.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  replied that  there was  an older  cap set  by the                                                                    
American Bar Association. He noted  it was very dependent on                                                                    
case type. For example, one  unclassified felony was a large                                                                    
case  to handle,  and it  was possible  to handle  many more                                                                    
misdemeanors;  therefore, caseloads  tended to  be weighted.                                                                    
He  offered  to  follow  up  with  the  specifics  from  the                                                                    
particular  caseload standard.  Since then,  there was  more                                                                    
research  and   more  standards.  He  explained   it  was  a                                                                    
difficult and controversial question.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  requested the information  through Co-                                                                    
Chair Josephson's office.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson believed  the attorneys  were maxed  out                                                                    
and  working  hard.  Additionally,   he  had  no  reason  to                                                                    
challenge the  data for appointments and  disposition rates.                                                                    
He also believed media accounts  suggesting there were grave                                                                    
problems. He  did not know how  to unravel it. He  asked for                                                                    
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas answered  that he  wished he  had an  answer about                                                                    
what thing would fix the  problem. He knew there were recent                                                                    
media accounts of problems with  specific cases and a lot of                                                                    
attention  paid to  the delay  in the  system and  the sense                                                                    
that defendants and victims were  waiting too long to get to                                                                    
their  disposition. He  stated that  it was  a problem  that                                                                    
would  take significant  time to  address. He  noted that  a                                                                    
healthy  defense   system  helped  move  things   along.  He                                                                    
elaborated  that attorneys  who knew  a case  and knew  what                                                                    
they were doing could bring  cases to a resolution much more                                                                    
quickly  through  negotiations   with  the  prosecution  and                                                                    
figuring out which cases should  go to trial. Currently, his                                                                    
lawyers had too  many cases to be doing  that as effectively                                                                    
as possible.  He believed  in coming  fiscal years  he would                                                                    
make  a request  as he  got a  sense of  what the  caseloads                                                                    
looked like  going forward and as  people gained experience.                                                                    
He thought PDA likely needed a  few more lawyers, but it was                                                                    
hard  to measure  currently.  He wanted  to  figure out  how                                                                    
existing resources were working before requesting more.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  remarked  that  presenters  during  the                                                                    
meeting  would  review  their budgets  and  purported  trial                                                                    
backlogs. He  stated that  the legislature  had been  told a                                                                    
couple  of years  back that  the agency  could not  take any                                                                    
more cases. He  recalled it was a western  Alaska problem in                                                                    
particular. He  asked if  the situation  had been  fixed. He                                                                    
recognized that  Mr. Haas had  just stated the  agency could                                                                    
use  more  attorneys.  He  asked if  the  problem  had  been                                                                    
remedied in part by contractual  increases (i.e., the hiring                                                                    
of outside counsel) and  by other legislative contributions.                                                                    
He surmised that things were a  lot better and asked if that                                                                    
was true.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  believed things  were improving  significantly. He                                                                    
noted  there was  a crisis  at one  point that  involved not                                                                    
having  enough  attorneys to  move  around  to places  where                                                                    
cases needed  to be  handled. He noted  that it  remained an                                                                    
issue -  he believed DOL  and the Office of  Public Advocacy                                                                    
would  say  the  same  - there  would  still  be  difficulty                                                                    
getting individuals  trained up for the  most serious cases.                                                                    
He  did  not  have  enough attorneys  with  the  appropriate                                                                    
experience to  handle the most  serious cases. He  could not                                                                    
produce  them overnight.  He  stated that  he  could find  a                                                                    
certain  percentage of  experienced lawyers  who were  ready                                                                    
and  willing to  come  have the  Alaska  adventure, but  not                                                                    
enough  to solve  the  problems  immediately. The  agencies'                                                                    
ability  to contract  for cases  made a  big difference.  He                                                                    
referenced empty  PCNs and the  question about what  PDA was                                                                    
doing  with its  money if  it was  not paying  attorneys. He                                                                    
explained  that  the  agency was  paying  lawyers  with  the                                                                    
funding  because the  work did  not decrease  merely because                                                                    
the agency did  not have lawyers in the office.  Much of the                                                                    
resources  went  to  contract private  attorneys  to  handle                                                                    
cases  to get  the job  done. He  explained that  it created                                                                    
some  breathing  room allowing  the  agency  to address  the                                                                    
problem.  One  of  the  first  things he  had  done  in  his                                                                    
position  was  create  a   deputy  focused  on  recruitment,                                                                    
training,  and  retention,  which he  believed  had  already                                                                    
begun to make a difference.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson was  the most  sensitive  to the  Public                                                                    
Defender  Agency out  of the  three agencies  presenting. He                                                                    
did not  expect PDA  to say  it was the  cause of  delay. He                                                                    
noted he  had distributed a copy  of Rule 45 from  the Rules                                                                    
of  Criminal Procedure  (copy on  file). He  read from  Rule                                                                    
45(d)(2) related to speedy trials and excluded periods:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     "...only if  it is  satisfied that the  postponement is                                                                    
     in  the interest  of justice,  taking into  account the                                                                    
     public interest  in the prompt disposition  of criminal                                                                    
     offenses, and  after consideration of the  interests of                                                                    
     the crime victim."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson provided  a hypothetical  scenario where                                                                    
PDA had a  new client who pled not guilty,  wanted no motion                                                                    
practice and asked for the  discovery and a trial within 120                                                                    
days. He  recognized that  it was what  PDA was  required to                                                                    
do. He stated  that the agency may advise the  client it was                                                                    
against their  self-interest. He asked if  the court drilled                                                                    
down with PDA  attorneys if the agency wanted  to waive Rule                                                                    
45  to determine  what the  delay  was about.  He stated  it                                                                    
suggested it was supposed to  happen and findings were made,                                                                    
which  he believed  would take  a long  time. He  asked what                                                                    
information  Mr. Haas  was comfortable  sharing about  trial                                                                    
and disposition delays.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:03:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas answered  that one thing to note with  Rule 45 that                                                                    
a stack of  caselaw was needed to understand  the meaning of                                                                    
much of  the rule. He  noted that the court  had interpreted                                                                    
the  rule in  many ways.  He  explained that  the court  was                                                                    
supposed to make  a case specific evaluation of  a delay. He                                                                    
elaborated that  if the defense  attorney requested  to have                                                                    
the case continued,  the court was supposed to  ask him what                                                                    
needed  to be  done  to  do so.  He  believed an  increasing                                                                    
number of courts were doing  that. He addressed the question                                                                    
of when to ask for a  delay. He stated that from the defense                                                                    
perspective, it was  not always in the  defendant's favor to                                                                    
continue a case.  He was obligated to  request a continuance                                                                    
if it  would be  strategically helpful or  if he  thought it                                                                    
was absolutely necessary for him  to be an effective lawyer.                                                                    
He  elaborated  that   if  a  prosecutor  did   not  want  a                                                                    
continuance, they  presented their  argument, and  the judge                                                                    
had the difficult job of deciding  what to do. He noted that                                                                    
a more  recent difficulty was  that it was not  uncommon for                                                                    
both sides to  request a continuance. He  believed the court                                                                    
was still  obligated to go  through the facts specific  to a                                                                    
case and why a continuance was requested.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  informed  the committee  that  when  he                                                                    
entered Rule  45 into the  Alaska Court System  library, the                                                                    
search resulted in  447 cases. He remarked that  many of the                                                                    
instances would  be superficial,  but there would  be scores                                                                    
of  cases interpreting  the  rules. He  noted  Mr. Haas  had                                                                    
skipped slide 5.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas  addressed  slide 5  showing  a  five-year  budget                                                                    
lookback.  He  referenced  his earlier  statement  that  the                                                                    
legislature and  administration had been very  supportive of                                                                    
the  agency.  The  slide showed  the  agency's  increase  in                                                                    
budget, which  was not unreasonable and  primarily reflected                                                                    
an  increase in  attorney  salaries in  the  past couple  of                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:06:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  turned to  slide 7  and discussed  PDA challenges.                                                                    
The biggest  challenge was getting brand  new attorneys from                                                                    
where they  began to where they  needed to be to  handle the                                                                    
large  number   of  serious   cases  to   provide  effective                                                                    
assistance  to   clients  and  to  provide   them  with  the                                                                    
expertise they relied on and  that he believed made Alaska's                                                                    
justice system one  of the best in the nation  and world. He                                                                    
elaborated  that  recruiting,  retaining, and  training  the                                                                    
agency's  attorneys was  a big  part of  his job.  Discovery                                                                    
processing and  management was another challenge  that would                                                                    
likely result  in a financial  request in the  future. Since                                                                    
his start  date of 2008  in Bethel, the amount  of discovery                                                                    
had increased  exponentially. He detailed that  officers now                                                                    
wore  body  cameras when  they  arrived  on a  scene,  which                                                                    
resulted  in hundreds  to thousands  of hours  of video  and                                                                    
many  terabytes  of  information.   He  explained  that  the                                                                    
prosecution  was obligated  to  provide it  to  PDA and  the                                                                    
agency was obligated to review  it on behalf of its clients.                                                                    
He  reported that  the  staff  and lawyer  time  it took  to                                                                    
review the  information had and  would continue  to increase                                                                    
extraordinarily.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  referenced recruitment  and retention                                                                    
out of law school. She  recalled the previous year a program                                                                    
was  presented  to the  legislature  with  a plan  to  bring                                                                    
students to  Alaska for a  summer session after  their first                                                                    
year to use the university and  bring them up to speed in an                                                                    
internship  program. She  asked  if it  was  through PDA  or                                                                    
another agency.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas replied that he  was not familiar with the program,                                                                    
but he would  need to look into it to  provide an answer. He                                                                    
relayed  that the  agency  had a  solid  intern program  and                                                                    
recruited  through  internships.  Additionally,  the  agency                                                                    
recruited law  clerks. He noted  that Alaska did not  have a                                                                    
law school; therefore,  it was necessary to  find people who                                                                    
wanted to have their Alaska adventure.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin believed  the  program she  mentioned                                                                    
was through  another department,  but she found  it relevant                                                                    
to the current conversation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas replied that he was interested.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  looked at PDA's challenge  associated with                                                                    
the loss of experienced attorneys  and the increase of brand                                                                    
new attorneys.  He relayed that the  subcommittee had talked                                                                    
about  some of  the trends  in the  workforce. He  asked Mr.                                                                    
Haas to  expand on some of  the things that had  kept longer                                                                    
term attorneys employed in the agency.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  answered there were  many factors. He  stated that                                                                    
the best  lawyers who stayed  the longest had a  passion for                                                                    
the work, which did not  have anything to do with retirement                                                                    
or anything else. He detailed  that sometimes people left if                                                                    
the pay  was not good  enough because they could  not afford                                                                    
to  keep  doing  it.  He believed  that  all  agencies  with                                                                    
lawyers would  tell the committee  there was a  certain kind                                                                    
of person who was up for  an Alaska adventure with a passion                                                                    
for the work. He relayed  that when those individuals stayed                                                                    
with the agency  it was where PDA got its  core of people to                                                                    
keep the  energy level  where it  ought to  be. In  terms of                                                                    
other  factors,  some of  the  oldest  and most  experienced                                                                    
lawyers who were working to  get their "high three" years in                                                                    
their pension plan. He explained  that each time the pay was                                                                    
increased   it  likely   increased  the   number  of   those                                                                    
individuals willing to stay on.  Another factor was burnout.                                                                    
He thought  it was fair to  say that not everyone  had it in                                                                    
them to  be a lifelong public  defender. He stated it  was a                                                                    
special and wonderful kind of  person. He had to expect that                                                                    
the  majority of  people who  came  to work  for the  agency                                                                    
would put  in a good  few years and  most likely move  on in                                                                    
government or the private sector.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:12:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  noted that  the presentation  did not                                                                    
include  much  of  the   agency's  budget  information.  She                                                                    
referenced the  technology element  and massive  increase in                                                                    
discovery  from things  like body  cameras. She  believed it                                                                    
was four  years back  when the  Department of  Public Safety                                                                    
(DPS)  started requesting  digital  clerks, processing,  and                                                                    
new  computers associated  with the  implementation of  body                                                                    
cameras. She  asked if the agency's  budget request included                                                                    
an  increment for  the technology  component  to ensure  its                                                                    
attorneys  were not  spending all  of their  time restarting                                                                    
their  computers to  get through  the  discovery of  massive                                                                    
amounts  of data  the  agency  had to  process,  DPS had  to                                                                    
store, and the  courts had to make sure  the information was                                                                    
accessible.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas  answered  that he  had  preliminarily  started  a                                                                    
discussion  with DOL  about how  to work  on the  issue. The                                                                    
biggest complication was there  were several agencies across                                                                    
a  couple  of  departments  that needed  to  coordinate.  He                                                                    
remarked  that  failure  to  do so  would  result  in  fancy                                                                    
software  and  equipment that  would  not  do the  job.  The                                                                    
requests  would  be in  his  budget,  but  he wanted  to  be                                                                    
thoughtful  about what  he  was requesting  and  how it  was                                                                    
done.  He suspected  DOL would  agree that  the only  way it                                                                    
would work  was to work together.  He noted that DOL  had to                                                                    
provide PDA with enormous files  across networks. The agency                                                                    
needed to have the storage,  capacity, and ability to review                                                                    
the information. He  appreciated the question and  it was on                                                                    
his radar.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  moved to the next  presentation from the                                                                    
Department of Law (DOL).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: FY 26 DEPARTMENT BUDGET BY DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TREG   TAYLOR,   ATTORNEY   GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT   OF   LAW,                                                                    
introduced  himself and  others  at the  table. He  remarked                                                                    
that  it would  become  clear that  the  Civil and  Criminal                                                                    
Divisions   operated  very   differently,  which   made  for                                                                    
interesting  meetings  when  talking about  recruitment  and                                                                    
retention due  to the divisions'  different needs.  He noted                                                                    
that some  of the needs of  one conflicted with some  of the                                                                    
needs of the  other and it was a constant  balancing act. He                                                                    
introduced   a   PowerPoint  presentation   titled   "Alaska                                                                    
Department of Law," dated February  21, 2025 (copy on file).                                                                    
He began on slide 2  and reviewed the department leadership.                                                                    
He  turned to  slide 3  and  noted that  the department  had                                                                    
revised  its   mission  statement  several  years   back  to                                                                    
encompass core  responsibilities and  allow it to  develop a                                                                    
plan for improving in the  areas. The improvements were made                                                                    
through  training, reorganizations,  policy changes,  hiring                                                                    
and retention decisions, and  by redefining the department's                                                                    
relationship with its clients. He  was proud of the progress                                                                    
that had  been made and of  the work performed daily  by the                                                                    
attorneys.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:17:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CORI  MILLS,   DEPUTY  ATTORNEY  GENERAL,   CIVIL  DIVISION,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF LAW, discussed the  Civil Division on slide 3.                                                                    
She reported  that the division  focused on  providing high-                                                                    
quality  legal   services  to  the  executive   branch.  She                                                                    
elaborated  that the  division represented  all agencies  in                                                                    
state government  in one  way or  another. The  division had                                                                    
about  144  attorneys  and  a  total  of  around  250  staff                                                                    
including attorneys, law  office assistants, and paralegals.                                                                    
She noted the  vacancy rate was doing well  and the division                                                                    
was feeling good about its  status compared to several years                                                                    
back.  The  division  was   currently  recruiting  for  nine                                                                    
attorneys, three  law office assistants, and  one paralegal.                                                                    
She relayed that  three years back the division  had 24 open                                                                    
attorney positions.  The division was filling  the positions                                                                    
less  quickly than  it would  like. She  explained that  the                                                                    
number   of  students   graduating  from   law  school   had                                                                    
decreased,  meaning the  supply was  not very  high and  the                                                                    
demand from private and public  legal firms was much higher;                                                                    
therefore,  the   number  of  applicants  received   by  the                                                                    
division was lower.  She reported that the  division used to                                                                    
get 20 applicants for a job  and now it was happy to receive                                                                    
three. Filling  jobs took longer,  and everyone  was pulling                                                                    
from the same  pool of law students around  the U.S. Another                                                                    
challenge  facing the  division in  the five-year  timeframe                                                                    
was  the fact  that  30 of  its employees  would  be up  for                                                                    
retirement. She  noted that  it did  not account  for normal                                                                    
attrition.  The division  was  looking at  ways  to build  a                                                                    
deeper bench to avoid scrambling in the future.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:20:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills turned to slide 5  titled "Biggest Law Firm in the                                                                    
State." She shared that the  division had to bill its hours.                                                                    
A  pie chart  on the  slide  reflected the  number of  hours                                                                    
worked for all of the  agencies represented by the division.                                                                    
The Department  of Family and Community  Services (DFCS) was                                                                    
the highest.  She elaborated that  DFCS housed the  Child in                                                                    
Need of Aid  (CINA) and Office of  Children's Services (OCS)                                                                    
and  the  Civil Division  was  responsible  for all  of  the                                                                    
cases, which  were about  3,000 per  year. The  division was                                                                    
also  responsible   for  all  of  the   mental  commitments,                                                                    
guardianships,  and  conservatorships  under  DFCS  and  the                                                                    
Department of Health (DOH). She  explained that the division                                                                    
was responsible for work under  all Alaska Statutes with the                                                                    
exception of Titles 11 and 12.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan had  heard  in finance  subcommittees                                                                    
that  labor  relations  and bargaining  for  the  state  was                                                                    
moving from  the Department of  Administration (DOA)  to the                                                                    
Civil Division.  She asked  if it  meant the  division would                                                                    
need  to  recruit  additional  attorneys.  She  assumed  the                                                                    
division  had always  been involved  in the  labor relations                                                                    
aspect. She  asked how it  impacted the  division's staffing                                                                    
and budget needs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  pointed to the gray  section of the pie  chart on                                                                    
slide  5 reflecting  DOA. She  noted  that DOA  was a  broad                                                                    
department including  the Division of Motor  Vehicles (DMV);                                                                    
the  Division  of  Retirement   and  Benefits  (DRB),  which                                                                    
represented  a  large amount  of  work  including a  lot  of                                                                    
administrative hearing  work; and the Division  of Personnel                                                                    
and what used to be  Labor Relations. She explained that the                                                                    
Civil  Division  had  always  had a  portion  of  the  work,                                                                    
especially  the   employment  work.  The  division   had  an                                                                    
attorney that specialized in employment  law and advised the                                                                    
Division of  Personnel and  delt with  employment litigation                                                                    
and employment  actions. The division had  helped with labor                                                                    
relations  and negotiations  in  various circumstances  over                                                                    
the  years. She  elaborated  that the  division helped  with                                                                    
arbitrations when  they were  complicated or  required legal                                                                    
expertise.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills skipped ahead to  slide 10 titled "Labor Relations                                                                    
Funding." She  detailed that the division  had received four                                                                    
positions from  the DOA Labor Relations  unit. She clarified                                                                    
that  the positions  were labor  relations analysts  and one                                                                    
paralegal,  not attorneys.  The positions  were still  doing                                                                    
the same work  they did under Labor  Relations. The division                                                                    
was looking to add one  attorney position to assist with the                                                                    
cases. She  explained that  some of  the cases  would remain                                                                    
under  the  DOA Division  of  Personnel  because they  would                                                                    
continue  to   do  low  level   disciplinary  grievance-type                                                                    
matters  that  employee  relations  was  better  capable  of                                                                    
doing.   The   Civil   Division   was   focused   on   labor                                                                    
negotiations,  and as  grievances worked  into arbitrations,                                                                    
which resulted in more legal  work. The departments tried to                                                                    
be intentional with  how the work was  divided. She reported                                                                    
that thus  far, the  work was  going well.  Only two  of the                                                                    
four positions received by the  division had been filled and                                                                    
the division  had since filled the  remaining two positions.                                                                    
The   division  had   received   good   feedback  from   the                                                                    
individuals who  had come to  work for them; they  liked the                                                                    
proximity  to  attorneys  they  could  ask  questions  about                                                                    
contracts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:24:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills moved  to the  Civil Division  budget on  slide 6                                                                    
titled  "Funding  Sources."  She   detailed  that  about  50                                                                    
percent of the division's budget  was paid for through other                                                                    
agencies. She pointed to a bar  graph on the slide and noted                                                                    
that the dark  blue portion of the bars  reflected money the                                                                    
division  received  from  other   agencies  paying  for  its                                                                    
services. The  division billed in six-minute  increments and                                                                    
sent a bill  to the agencies. She explained  the reason with                                                                    
an  example.  She  detailed that  if  DOH  received  federal                                                                    
funding, it  could pay for  legal services with some  of the                                                                    
funding, but if  it went directly to DOL, it  would all have                                                                    
to be  paid for  with state funds.  She explained  it boiled                                                                    
down to figuring out the best  use for the money coming into                                                                    
Alaska's  treasury.  The bottom  blue  portion  of the  bars                                                                    
represented  undesignated  general  funds (UGF).  The  small                                                                    
strip in  the middle of  the bars shown in  yellow reflected                                                                    
designated general funds  (DGF) made up of  the small amount                                                                    
the division  received from the regulatory  cost charge, the                                                                    
receipts through  the Regulatory Commission of  Alaska (RCA)                                                                    
for the division's public advocate position under the RCA.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  turned to "FY2024  Monies Collected" on  slide 7.                                                                    
The  division brought  in about  $19 million  in FY  24. She                                                                    
noted  that the  number did  not include  opioid remediation                                                                    
funds  brought  in  through   various  opioid  lawsuits  and                                                                    
settlements,  which amounted  to about  $100 million  over a                                                                    
15-year timeframe.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  for a  definition of  the term                                                                    
"special litigation" shown on slide 7.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  answered that the Special  Litigation Section was                                                                    
created about  eight years back. She  explained that special                                                                    
litigation  was found  in many  attorneys general's  offices                                                                    
and  the  focus was  having  a  highly specialized  team  of                                                                    
litigators  for complex  litigation  with  large amounts  of                                                                    
discovery   and  depositions   or  with   complicated  legal                                                                    
questions requiring numerous procedural  moves in the court.                                                                    
She explained  that it was  litigation that would not  go to                                                                    
an inexperienced attorney.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked for  detail about the procedures                                                                    
and monies  collected by the  Special Litigation  Section of                                                                    
the division.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  stated that Special  Litigation Section  was also                                                                    
responsible  for  consumer  protection. She  explained  that                                                                    
consumer  protection was  a unit  within Special  Litigation                                                                    
because much of its  work was complex multistate litigation.                                                                    
The money collected was brough  in through antitrust actions                                                                    
or violations of the state's consumer protection laws.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  advanced  to  slide 8  showing  the  history  of                                                                    
statehood defense  appropriations. She  detailed that  in FY                                                                    
21,  the legislature  appropriated the  division's first  $4                                                                    
million multiyear  increment, which was available  for three                                                                    
consecutive years. She reported  that the increment had been                                                                    
spent. The  next $2  million was appropriated  in FY  23 and                                                                    
had  been  spent.  A  small  amount  had  been  appropriated                                                                    
specifically for  issues in the  Tongass, but the  cases had                                                                    
not taken off in the way  others had. The division had spent                                                                    
about $68,000  of the funds,  but she expected the  cases to                                                                    
heat up  in the next  year. She  recognized there was  a new                                                                    
federal administration and noted that  it was subject to the                                                                    
new administration.  The division received $5  million in FY                                                                    
24, which  was the pot  of money the division  was currently                                                                    
working  off of.  As of  the end  of December,  the division                                                                    
spent  $1.7 million  of the  $5  million appropriation.  She                                                                    
estimated that the  division's spend had been  $2 million to                                                                    
$3 million per  year. The $5 million would  expire next year                                                                    
and  the division  would have  to assess  what it  needed at                                                                    
that time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:30:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills turned to slide  9 titled "Requesting Continuation                                                                    
of Temporary  Increment." The  past session  the legislature                                                                    
approved  $500,000  as  a  temporary  increment  for  FY  25                                                                    
intending to  add the  same increment  for three  years. She                                                                    
clarified that the  $500,000 did not go  into the division's                                                                    
base budget.  She explained that  the money would  expire at                                                                    
the end  of the  FY 25 fiscal  year. The  appropriation bill                                                                    
the  previous session  included intent  language saying  the                                                                    
legislature  was expected  to appropriate  $500,000 for  the                                                                    
next two fiscal years, which would  lapse at the end of each                                                                    
fiscal  year.  The  division  was  requesting  the  $500,000                                                                    
increment in  the FY 26  budget. She imagined  the following                                                                    
year she  would have a  better picture of what  the division                                                                    
would need going forward based  on federal litigation, where                                                                    
the federal  administration stood, and  what it had  done to                                                                    
the division's cases.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage  recalled  that   much  of  the  statehood                                                                    
defense activity was around defending  the state's rights to                                                                    
develop  natural  resources,  build  roads,  and  fight  off                                                                    
federal shutdowns of the activity  the state felt it had the                                                                    
right to pursue. He asked if the depiction was accurate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  imagined the  new administration  that had                                                                    
already  put out  an executive  order in  support of  Alaska                                                                    
developing  its   natural  resources  and   securing  energy                                                                    
dominance  was much  more  friendly to  Alaska  in terms  of                                                                    
state's rights. He asked if  litigation was expected to fall                                                                    
precipitously and if  some of the pursuits  may be nullified                                                                    
or no longer necessary.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills answered it was currently  a bit of a crystal ball                                                                    
and hard  to pinpoint things. There  were currently slightly                                                                    
over 80  statehood defense related cases.  She detailed that                                                                    
the  division had  tried  to use  existing  and new  funding                                                                    
sources to  get by.  She explained  that winding  down cases                                                                    
did  not happen  overnight,  and she  did  not believe  they                                                                    
would  go away  immediately, especially  because there  were                                                                    
third parties involved in some  of the lawsuits. She thought                                                                    
the cases would likely remain for  the next year or two. She                                                                    
believed there  may be increased litigation  against actions                                                                    
the federal  government was  taking where  the state  may be                                                                    
aligned  with the  federal government.  There  still may  be                                                                    
litigation  where  the  state   would  want  to  assert  its                                                                    
interest because  it differed from the  federal government's                                                                    
interest. The division  would have to evaluate  the cases as                                                                    
they  arose. She  reiterated that  over the  next two  years                                                                    
there may  be an increase,  which she thought  would decline                                                                    
and level off.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:34:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE,  DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL,  CRIMINAL DIVISION,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF LAW,  addressed the  mission of  the Criminal                                                                    
Division on slide 11. The  division's primary mission was to                                                                    
seek  justice.  When  the  division   looked  at  cases,  it                                                                    
evaluated  whether  there  was  sufficient  and  appropriate                                                                    
evidence  to file  charges and  move forward.  Additionally,                                                                    
the  division's mission  included  the  promotion of  public                                                                    
safety  and public  respect for  government through  prompt,                                                                    
effective,  and  compassionate   prosecution  of  cases.  He                                                                    
recognized  there had  been some  discussion earlier  in the                                                                    
meeting  about  delays  and  time  to  disposition.  He  was                                                                    
familiar with  the topic and offered  to provide information                                                                    
if committee members had questions.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore turned  to a map on slide  12 identifying where                                                                    
the Criminal  Division offices  were located  throughout the                                                                    
state.  The  division had  had  two  sections including  the                                                                    
Office  of  Criminal  Appeals  and  the  Office  of  Special                                                                    
Prosecutions, which  handled cases from all  over the state.                                                                    
He  detailed  that the  division  had  13 offices  and  nine                                                                    
district attorneys.  Four of  the district  attorney offices                                                                    
had  satellite  offices.  For   example,  the  division  had                                                                    
personnel located  in Utqiagvik,  but the  district attorney                                                                    
was  located  in Fairbanks  and  supervised  from there.  He                                                                    
noted  that Johan  Earthman supervised  Kotzebue from  Nome,                                                                    
Brittany  Dunlap supervised  Dillingham from  Anchorage, and                                                                    
Whitney Bostick  supervised Sitka from Juneau.  The division                                                                    
also had the  central office where he  and Criminal Division                                                                    
Director  Angie Kemp  were  located  along with  individuals                                                                    
providing legal services to the  Department of Public Safety                                                                    
(DPS) and administrative issues for the division.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:37:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  thought  it appeared  that  Valdez  and                                                                    
Homer  were outliers  in that  they were  homes of  superior                                                                    
courts but there was an  itinerant prosecutor covering those                                                                    
calendars.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore answered that he did  not have the map of court                                                                    
locations on  hand. He  believed there were  44 or  47 court                                                                    
locations statewide  and the Criminal Division  did not have                                                                    
offices in all  of the locations. He confirmed  that each of                                                                    
the   division's  offices   covered  court   locations.  For                                                                    
example, Dillingham  covered Naknek,  Kodiak had  some other                                                                    
locations on  Kodiak Island, Anchorage  went out to  St Paul                                                                    
and  Unalaska, etcetera.  Each office  had some  other court                                                                    
locations they had to cover.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  advanced to  slide 13  titled "How  We Achieve                                                                    
Our Mission." He explained that  the division covered a vast                                                                    
majority  of criminal  prosecutions in  the state  including                                                                    
anything that  was a  violation of  state criminal  law. The                                                                    
division  did  not  prosecute  federal  crimes,  which  were                                                                    
handled   by  the   U.S.  Attorney's   Office  (there   were                                                                    
occasional individuals who were  cross-deputized, but it was                                                                    
rare). The  division did not typically  prosecute violations                                                                    
of  municipal law,  which were  under a  municipal ordinance                                                                    
and not  state statute. There  was a recent  exception where                                                                    
the  Municipality of  Anchorage was  short-staffed, and  the                                                                    
division  had been  providing  some  assistance in  covering                                                                    
trials.  Additionally,   the  division  did   not  prosecute                                                                    
traffic  tickets. There  were some  prosecutor's offices  in                                                                    
the Lower  48 that  would handle  traffic tickets,  but that                                                                    
was not  the case in  Alaska. He noted that  law enforcement                                                                    
handled traffic tickets.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore  turned  to slide  14  titled  "Felonies."  He                                                                    
reported that  the division had  more cases that  were being                                                                    
disposed  of  than were  filed.  He  explained that  it  was                                                                    
decreasing  attorneys'  caseloads  and the  backlog  in  the                                                                    
courts.  He  stated  that  progress   was  being  made,  but                                                                    
substantial work  remained. He explained that  the number of                                                                    
felonies  filed was  decreasing because  for the  past three                                                                    
years the state's  crime rate was the lowest it  had been in                                                                    
the  past  40  years.  He relayed  that  public  safety  was                                                                    
improving, but  it did  not mean  improvements could  not be                                                                    
made. The  graph on  the left  reflected felony  filings (in                                                                    
blue)  versus dispositions  (in  orange). The  graph on  the                                                                    
right  represented  felony  trials.  The  graph  showed  the                                                                    
number  of  felony  trials  pre-COVID-19,  how  the  numbers                                                                    
dropped off  during the pandemic,  and the  conviction rate.                                                                    
He noted that the conviction  rate had been increasing along                                                                    
with the  number of trials, which  he attributed significant                                                                    
progress in resolutions and  dispositions. When the division                                                                    
went to trial  and was successful it saw a  larger number of                                                                    
cases  that  ended   up  going  to  changes   and  plea.  He                                                                    
elaborated that  people accepted  offers because  the threat                                                                    
of trial.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:41:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  about Mr.  Skidmore's  remark                                                                    
that the  state had the lowest  crime rate in 40  years. She                                                                    
wondered where  the statistic  had come  from. She  asked if                                                                    
Mr. Skidmore  had any data  indicating it was  possible that                                                                    
some crimes were  not being reported anymore.  She had heard                                                                    
repeatedly in  her community  council meetings  about things                                                                    
that had  happened where individuals were  going to Facebook                                                                    
to find who stole a car and other similar occurrences.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  replied that in the  past year there was  a 15                                                                    
percent  decrease  in  sexual   assaults  reported.  He  was                                                                    
referring to  the Uniform Crime  Rate, and the  numbers were                                                                    
found in  the annual report  published by DPS.  He addressed                                                                    
the  decrease in  sexual  assaults  reported and  questioned                                                                    
whether there were really fewer  sexual assaults or if there                                                                    
were cases  that were not  being reported. He served  on the                                                                    
Council on Domestic Violence and  Sexual Assault (CDVSA) and                                                                    
the agency would be doing  a victimization survey that would                                                                    
try  to assess  the amount  of victimization  occurring that                                                                    
was different than determining the  number of cases reported                                                                    
to  law  enforcement.  To  his knowledge  there  was  not  a                                                                    
victimization survey  for property offenses, and  he did not                                                                    
know how to  quantify it. He stated that for  three years in                                                                    
a row, having  a consistent reduction in the  crime rate was                                                                    
significant. He  did not know  if everyone suddenly  gave up                                                                    
on   reporting  crimes,   but  when   the  number   remained                                                                    
relatively  consistent,   it  became  more   significant  to                                                                    
researchers.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   stated  that  the   current  year's                                                                    
budget, Child Advocacy Centers (CACs)  were zero funded. She                                                                    
noted that CACs were not  part of the division's budget. She                                                                    
did  not really  like the  name for  the centers  because in                                                                    
reality they  were forensic child  abuse and  sexual assault                                                                    
places.  She was  concerned  that a  lack  of funding  would                                                                    
derail  prosecutions  of  child  abuse  and  sexual  assault                                                                    
cases. She asked how it  played into the Criminal Division's                                                                    
ability to  prosecute the most  heinous crimes if  CACs were                                                                    
not functioning.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore  answered  that  funding   of  CACs  was  very                                                                    
important. He  noted that  some funds  flowed from  CDVSA to                                                                    
CACs. He was  not familiar with the zero in  the budget that                                                                    
Representative Hannan  referenced. He relayed that  if there                                                                    
was no money going to CACs  and they could no longer operate                                                                    
it  would  impact the  division's  ability.  The CAC  was  a                                                                    
multidisciplinary  location that  involved law  enforcement,                                                                    
medical  personnel, and  advocates.  He  explained that  the                                                                    
state did  not want someone to  have to retell the  story of                                                                    
their victimization  over and over.  He noted that  the same                                                                    
thing  was  done for  adults  in  sexual assault  cases.  He                                                                    
relayed that  CACs had been  found to be very  effective and                                                                    
helpful. He could not comment  on the funding because he was                                                                    
not  familiar with  it. He  added  that fundamentally,  CACs                                                                    
were important.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:45:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan answered that  the committee had heard                                                                    
recently from  CACs that their  grant funds were  zeroed out                                                                    
in the  FY 26 budget.  She heard from her  police department                                                                    
that  when there  was not  a  functioning CAC,  it was  very                                                                    
difficult to get  the crime to prosecution. She  was glad to                                                                    
hear Mr.  Skidmore say  that CACs were  a critical  piece in                                                                    
ensuring the state was able  to prosecute child sexual abuse                                                                    
cases across  the state  and that it  was important  to fund                                                                    
the  centers operating  as  a vital  piece  of the  criminal                                                                    
justice system  in order to  ensure prosecutions  could take                                                                    
place.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:46:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore advanced to slide  15 titled "Misdemeanors." He                                                                    
noted that  felonies were more  serious cases  where someone                                                                    
had the potential to go to  jail for more than a year, while                                                                    
jail time for  misdemeanors was capped at a  year. The chart                                                                    
on the  left side  of the  slide showed  misdemeanor filings                                                                    
versus  deposed.  The  blue line  representing  cases  filed                                                                    
showed  a  decrease.  Likewise,  there  was  a  decrease  in                                                                    
dispositions,   but   the   lines  had   crossed   and   the                                                                    
dispositions  were  higher  than   the  filings,  which  was                                                                    
responsible for  bringing down caseloads.  He related  it to                                                                    
the   concept   discussed   earlier  by   Mr.   Haas   about                                                                    
appointments PDA  had and  the number  of cases  coming into                                                                    
the system.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore pointed  to the graph on the right  of slide 15                                                                    
reflecting  misdemeanor  trials.  The  graph  showed  trials                                                                    
prior  to  the  COVID-19 pandemic,  a  substantial  decrease                                                                    
during  the  pandemic,  and an  increase  post-pandemic.  He                                                                    
noted  that similarly,  the conviction  rates in  the trials                                                                    
increased.  The data  meant that  the backlog  in the  court                                                                    
system was  decreasing and the  Criminal Division  and other                                                                    
criminal   justice  agencies   were   bringing  down   their                                                                    
caseloads.  Caseloads were  not  at the  desired level,  but                                                                    
progress was being made.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore moved to slide  16 titled "Key Issues Impacting                                                                    
Our  Work."   He  began  with   the  challenge   related  to                                                                    
inexperienced workforce. The division  had taken a number of                                                                    
steps  to address  the  issue including  the  creation of  a                                                                    
training unit. Time to disposition  was the second challenge                                                                    
shown  on   the  slide.  He   detailed  that  the   time  to                                                                    
disposition  still created  substantial  challenges for  the                                                                    
division. The cases he had  heard reported in the media were                                                                    
a sample of  the challenges the division  faced. He believed                                                                    
and hoped  the division was  making improvements on  time to                                                                    
disposition, but there were a  number of cases in the system                                                                    
that  had  substantial problems.  For  example,  he read  an                                                                    
email earlier in  the day about a sexual  assault charged in                                                                    
2016.  In January  2025 the  victim told  the division  they                                                                    
were  no  longer  cooperating.   They  individual  told  the                                                                    
division they had moved on with  their life and did not want                                                                    
the pressure  any longer. The case  had to be resolved  as a                                                                    
coercion  because  of pretrial  delay.  There  were over  43                                                                    
continuances.   The  division   filed  oppositions   to  the                                                                    
continuances, but  they continued to be  granted for various                                                                    
reasons. He  emphasized that  time to  disposition continued                                                                    
to be a  problem and the media reports were  merely a sample                                                                    
of the cases.  The division continued to focus  on the issue                                                                    
and  in the  past  month  it had  provided  guidance to  its                                                                    
attorneys to begin to object  to every continuance requested                                                                    
that did not have a  necessary component. He elaborated that                                                                    
if  a defense  attorney had  a family  medical emergency  he                                                                    
believed a continuance was necessary.  Absent those types of                                                                    
circumstances,  the  division's  attorneys would  object  to                                                                    
continuances because the  division believed continuances had                                                                    
occurred far too often. He shared  that in his 26 years as a                                                                    
prosecutor he had gone to  many trials and trial calls where                                                                    
he objected  to continuances and  sometimes he had  not been                                                                    
given the  opportunity to  object. He  stressed that  it did                                                                    
not  happen  all  of  the  time,  but  it  could  occur.  He                                                                    
reiterated  that  the division  would  be  objecting to  all                                                                    
continuances that were not absolutely  necessary. He did not                                                                    
know  how  it  would  impact the  challenges  with  time  to                                                                    
disposition; it  would play out over  time.  He saw  it as a                                                                    
fundamental  problem   that  the   division  had   not  been                                                                    
asserting the  objections as objectively  as it  should have                                                                    
been.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:51:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson thought  Alaska's court  system was  the                                                                    
best in  the country. He  referenced language in  Rule 45(a)                                                                    
[handout  by  Co-Chair  Josephson]  that  "the  court  shall                                                                    
consider  the circumstances  of the  victim, particularly  a                                                                    
victim of advanced age or  extreme youth." He cited language                                                                    
from  Rule  45(d)(2) that  "the  court  shall grant  such  a                                                                    
continuance only if  it is satisfied the  postponement is in                                                                    
the  interest   of  justice   taking  into   account  public                                                                    
interest...and after  considerations of the interest  of the                                                                    
crime  victim." Additionally,  he cited  Rule 45(h)  "before                                                                    
ruling  on a  motion of  continuance in  a case  involving a                                                                    
victim...the  court shall  consider the  victim's position."                                                                    
He  highlighted   that  the  rule  clearly   recognized  the                                                                    
importance  of  victims. He  recalled  from  his time  as  a                                                                    
prosecutor in  the past that  the prosecutor may have  a box                                                                    
of  100 cases  and it  was not  possible to  have a  lengthy                                                                    
discussion about why  there was a continuance  in 100 cases.                                                                    
He  acknowledged   it  was  possible,  but   it  would  take                                                                    
considerable  time. He  asked  how to  solve  the issue.  He                                                                    
appreciated Mr.  Skidmore's position that  Criminal Division                                                                    
attorneys would  object [to the request  for a continuance],                                                                    
but  he recalled  being so  swamped  that when  Rule 45  was                                                                    
waived he  was relieved  because he  already had  two trials                                                                    
and a heavy workload.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  replied that he  had been the  sole prosecutor                                                                    
in Dillingham in the past.  He recalled trial calls where he                                                                    
had 100 cases and they talked  about all of the cases on the                                                                    
call.  He detailed  that  one-third of  the  cases ended  up                                                                    
being continued, one-third  were changed to a  plea, and the                                                                    
remaining  one-third  had  trials  or dismissals  due  to  a                                                                    
problem with  the case. He  understood the  dynamic Co-Chair                                                                    
Josephson  was describing.  There  were far  too many  cases                                                                    
that were being  continued and an appropriate  record of the                                                                    
reason  for  the  continuance  was  not  being  created.  He                                                                    
explained that  the state  needed to do  a better  job doing                                                                    
so.  He  did  not  mean  to suggest  that  if  the  division                                                                    
objected  that  a  continuance  would  not  be  granted.  He                                                                    
explained   that  without   an  objection,   there  was   no                                                                    
appropriate  inquiry about  why the  continuance was  needed                                                                    
that  allowed  the  judge  to  make  the  findings  Co-Chair                                                                    
Josephson pointed  out in  Rule 45.  He stressed  that there                                                                    
needed to  be thoughtful, careful consideration.  He thought                                                                    
it  was likely  occurring  in  some cases,  but  he did  not                                                                    
believe it was  happening in all cases. He wanted  to try to                                                                    
make  sure it  happened in  all cases.  The division  had an                                                                    
obligation to  notify the  victim and  was required  when it                                                                    
went to court  to say whether the victim  had been notified,                                                                    
what  the victim's  position was,  and whether  or they  had                                                                    
decided to  come to  court to voice  their own  position. He                                                                    
stated that the things needed to  be happening and it was an                                                                    
area the  department could  improve on.  He planned  to talk                                                                    
about the issue more in several minutes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson referenced the  scenario where a case was                                                                    
reduced  to coercion.  He asked  for  verification that  the                                                                    
division could subpoena the victim.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore replied affirmatively.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson observed  that the  individual would  be                                                                    
quite angry.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore explained  that  under  the circumstance,  the                                                                    
division would  issue a criminal subpoena,  the victim would                                                                    
fail to show  up, and the division would have  the option to                                                                    
obtain  a   material  witness  warrant,   which  essentially                                                                    
indicated  that  because the  witness  failed  to appear  in                                                                    
court, they  would be arrested.  The division would  have to                                                                    
decide whether  it wanted to  arrest the victim of  a sexual                                                                    
assault because  it had taken the  state a decade to  get to                                                                    
trial.  Due to  the  lengthy timeframe,  the individual  had                                                                    
moved on with  their life. He stated that it  was a decision                                                                    
the division had to make.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:56:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  considered the  health of  the overall                                                                    
justice  system   and  a  holistic  approach.   He  did  not                                                                    
necessarily  need  an  answer in  the  current  meeting.  He                                                                    
referenced the  discussion about  trying to make  sure cases                                                                    
were looked at and worked on.  He remarked that a lot of the                                                                    
state's small  communities had police departments  that were                                                                    
trying to do  the best for their  communities. He elaborated                                                                    
that those departments made arrests,  which were referred to                                                                    
the Criminal  Division and  in some  cases they  were pretty                                                                    
serious  offenses.   There  were  several  cases   in  small                                                                    
communities where  significant arrests were made  related to                                                                    
drug  dealing. He  remarked that  illegal  drugs could  have                                                                    
ravaging   effects  in   Alaska's  small   communities  very                                                                    
quickly.  He noted  that multiple  serious felony  cases had                                                                    
been  brought  forward and  dismissed.  He  asked about  the                                                                    
department's process for  communicating to communities about                                                                    
why it may make a decision  to drop those types of cases. He                                                                    
asked  what the  process should  be. He  explained that  the                                                                    
situation had  recently occurred  and the leadership  in the                                                                    
communities were  outraged that  the cases were  dropped. He                                                                    
thought they did  not seem to be receiving  a response about                                                                    
why it was happening. He  asked for the standard protocol of                                                                    
making  a connection  between DOL  and  law enforcement  and                                                                    
leadership in those communities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  answered that  he would not  go into  depth on                                                                    
the ecosystem  [of the criminal  justice system]  during the                                                                    
current meeting,  but he was  happy to talk about  the issue                                                                    
offline. He  addressed the question  about the  dismissal of                                                                    
cases.  The  division's  obligation was  to  notify  victims                                                                    
about what  was going on in  a case. He explained  that drug                                                                    
offences  were   typically  considered   victimless  crimes,                                                                    
meaning there  was not  a victim for  the division  to reach                                                                    
out  to.   The  division  tried  to   communicate  with  law                                                                    
enforcement  about what  it was  doing  with various  cases,                                                                    
there was a  paperwork trail that was supposed  to be making                                                                    
that happen. He  did not know whether it was  failing in the                                                                    
particular case.  He always encouraged division  staff to be                                                                    
in continual communication with  law enforcement about cases                                                                    
and  their  status  and  about why  the  division  made  the                                                                    
decisions  it had  because he  believed it  made for  better                                                                    
investigations and  understanding of what was  taking place.                                                                    
He heard Representative  Bynum saying it was  not working in                                                                    
a  particular  case. He  welcomed  the  opportunity to  talk                                                                    
about the specific case offline to  get to the bottom of the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:00:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore advanced to  expanding discovery obligations on                                                                    
slide  17.  He  referenced  earlier  discussion  about  body                                                                    
cameras and digital evidence. A  graph on the slide provided                                                                    
a representation  of the exponential increase  in the volume                                                                    
of  digital evidence.  The division  was  taking efforts  to                                                                    
manage the situation through  different software. He relayed                                                                    
that the division had been in  contact with Mr. Haas and the                                                                    
PDA about how  the process would take place  and agreed with                                                                    
Mr.  Haas  that  there  needed   to  be  some  coordination.                                                                    
Additionally, with  those cases there were  challenges where                                                                    
the  division  had  to  look  at  impeachment  material.  He                                                                    
referenced the  case names  Brady and  Giglio listed  on the                                                                    
slide,  which talked  about what  the obligations  were. The                                                                    
department's  obligation  to  provide  the  material  was  a                                                                    
budget increment request in the division's FY 26 budget.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  discussed the three  offices with  the highest                                                                    
caseloads  within the  Criminal  Division on  slide 18.  The                                                                    
offices  included  Dillingham,  Palmer,  and  Ketchikan.  He                                                                    
detailed  that   Dillingham  had  a  total   of  289  cases,                                                                    
including 109  felonies, which  included 28  murders, sexual                                                                    
abuse of  minors, and sexual assaults.  The average caseload                                                                    
for the single prosecutor in  Dillingham was 289. Palmer had                                                                    
11 prosecutors  with a  total of  2,783 cases  including 909                                                                    
felonies,  which  included  112  murders,  sexual  abuse  of                                                                    
minors, and  sexual assaults. The  average caseload  was 253                                                                    
per attorney.  He noted that  for the Ketchikan  office, the                                                                    
division's   request   for   positions  was   broader   than                                                                    
Ketchikan, but  the division used  Ketchikan numbers  to try                                                                    
to  help  illustrate  the point.  He  highlighted  that  the                                                                    
vacancy factor  was not included  on the slide.  The numbers                                                                    
on the  slide assumed the  caseload per attorney was  if all                                                                    
positions were filled. He explained  that all positions were                                                                    
not filled  and were almost  never filled. The  division was                                                                    
always  striving  to  fill every  position,  but  there  was                                                                    
turnover and  he had rarely  seen all positions  filled. The                                                                    
average  caseload  the  division  aimed  for  was  100.  The                                                                    
division's   budget  request   included   the  addition   of                                                                    
prosecutors to each of the  offices. He recognized that even                                                                    
with the  addition of  prosecutors it  would not  reduce the                                                                    
caseloads to  100. He elaborated that  caseloads were coming                                                                    
down and  the division was  disposing of more cases  than it                                                                    
was  filing;  therefore,  the  division   did  not  want  to                                                                    
overshoot the  mark and had  made a conservative  request in                                                                    
its budget to try to reach the goal.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:03:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore addressed  the  Criminal Division's  strategic                                                                    
plan (on slide  19) to reduce caseloads  and for specialized                                                                    
positions  for Brady  and post-conviction  relief (PCR).  He                                                                    
briefly discussed a request for  caseload reduction on slide                                                                    
20.  The   request  included  three   attorneys  to   go  to                                                                    
Dillingham, Palmer,  and Ketchikan,  a paralegal, and  a law                                                                    
office assistant. The slide  also included information about                                                                    
the challenges  facing the  division when  there was  a high                                                                    
caseload.  He  moved  to slide  21  titled  "Request:  Brady                                                                    
Prosecutor."  He explained  that  "Brady"  talked about  the                                                                    
division's  obligations to  disclose  information. When  the                                                                    
division  had  law  enforcement  officers  working  for  the                                                                    
division,   and  an   officer's   personnel  file   included                                                                    
something to suggest there was  an issue the division needed                                                                    
to reveal that was of  an impeachment nature (i.e., they had                                                                    
done  something  that may  suggest  they  were dishonest  or                                                                    
biased in  some way).  He elaborated  that the  division had                                                                    
received over  400 alerts where  an issue existed  and there                                                                    
was  something   the  department  needed  to   disclose.  He                                                                    
explained that  it involved managing  confidential personnel                                                                    
files;  therefore,   it  was  a  complicated   process  that                                                                    
involved  talking  with  law enforcement,  getting  them  to                                                                    
cooperate,   and   evaluating    whether   the   information                                                                    
constituted  a bias  in a  particular case.  If someone  was                                                                    
dishonest, it had  to be provided in every case.  He used an                                                                    
example where an officer used  excessive force, and the case                                                                    
was about  an assault  as opposed to  a theft.  The division                                                                    
would  have  to  evaluate  whether excessive  force  by  the                                                                    
officer became relevant impeachment in the trial.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  for verification  that  when  an                                                                    
officer  had  alleged  to  have  committed  a  misdeed,  the                                                                    
division  had  to  manage  the  issue  potentially  for  the                                                                    
officer's entire career.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  answered affirmatively.  He explained  that it                                                                    
was slightly  more complicated than  that an  individual was                                                                    
alleged to have done so.  There had to be some corroboration                                                                    
or  finding  that the  incident  took  place, which  created                                                                    
further  complications  of what  to  do  during the  pending                                                                    
decision.  He confirmed  that if  there was  a finding,  the                                                                    
division had to manage it going forward.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  was startled  by the number  400. She                                                                    
asked if it  was normal compared to other  states. She asked                                                                    
if  Alaska  had a  lot  of  issues  in its  law  enforcement                                                                    
personnel files.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore   clarified  there   were  10,000   to  13,000                                                                    
misdemeanors and 6,000  to 7,000 felonies filed  per year in                                                                    
Alaska. He  clarified that the  number 400 pertained  to 400                                                                    
different cases,  not 400  different officers.  He explained                                                                    
that there  may be one officer  with an issue in  their file                                                                    
and if they  worked 100 cases, the division  may receive 100                                                                    
alerts for that officer. He was  not saying it was the case,                                                                    
but he was trying to help  explain what the number meant. He                                                                    
did not believe  400 was high and he did  not believe Alaska                                                                    
had a  large significant problem within  its law enforcement                                                                    
ranks. There were  issues that needed to be  managed, but he                                                                    
would not characterize them as outsized.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:07:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  advanced to  slide 22  titled "Post-Conviction                                                                    
Relief  (PCR)."  He  explained that  PCR  were  cases  where                                                                    
someone  had been  charged, convicted,  an  appeal had  been                                                                    
filed and lost,  and the individual was  doing a "collateral                                                                    
attack where  they filed  a civil case  to claim  their case                                                                    
needed to be  reversed for some reason. There  were 376 PCRs                                                                    
currently pending  in Alaska. He  detailed that it  was more                                                                    
like  a civil  case  that engaged  in  civil discovery  with                                                                    
depositions  and   filing  requests  for   information.  The                                                                    
attorney  had  to  review  the  old  files,  any  old  court                                                                    
records,  and old  transcripts. There  were different  legal                                                                    
standards  and issues.  For example,  it was  the defendant,                                                                    
not the  prosecution who bore the  burden of proof in  a PCR                                                                    
case. The division's budget request  included an attorney to                                                                    
focus on  PCR cases.  He noted that  Mr. Haas  had discussed                                                                    
that the Public  Defender Agency had a  PCR unit responsible                                                                    
for  appeals  and  PCRs.  He  explained  that  the  Criminal                                                                    
Division's appellate unit was  only responsible for appeals.                                                                    
The division was  requesting one position to  help it manage                                                                    
the most serious  PCRs. Otherwise, PCRs were  handled by the                                                                    
division's  line  attorneys.  The  one  new  attorney  would                                                                    
return the  division to a system  that had been in  place in                                                                    
the past.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore referenced an earlier  question about an intern                                                                    
program. He relayed that the  program was managed by DOL and                                                                    
it  had  been a  phenomenal  success.  He shared  that  more                                                                    
individuals  were applying  more  quickly  and with  greater                                                                    
experience.  The program  had been  a great  benefit to  the                                                                    
Criminal and Civil Divisions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  looked  at   slide  18  and  asked  for                                                                    
verification  that the  division wanted  new prosecutors  in                                                                    
Dillingham, Palmer, and Ketchikan.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked about  the  timeframe  of the  28                                                                    
murders listed under Dillingham.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore replied  that he  did  not have  the dates  on                                                                    
hand. He explained  that the slide had been  created a while                                                                    
back  and  he  could  not  verify it  was  the  most  recent                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   realized  that  the   number  included                                                                    
murders, sexual abuse of minors, and sexual assaults.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore agreed.  He  clarified that  there  was not  a                                                                    
sudden wave of homicides occurring in Bristol Bay.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  assumed it would  be in the  interest of                                                                    
the  public defender,  court, and  the Criminal  Division to                                                                    
expand the Palmer courthouse.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  responded that he  was not able to  comment on                                                                    
the needs of  the court system or the  public defender. From                                                                    
the perspective  of DOL, it  had outgrown its  current space                                                                    
in the Palmer courthouse, and  it would benefit the division                                                                    
to have more space.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  thanked the testifiers for  their candid                                                                    
testimony and hard work.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  FY  26 DEPARTMENT  BUDGET  BY  THE ALASKA  COURT                                                                  
SYSTEM                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NOAH   KLEIN,  ASSOCIATE   COUNSEL,  ALASKA   COURT  SYSTEM,                                                                    
introduced  himself  and   other  available  colleagues.  He                                                                    
thanked  the  committee for  inviting  the  court system  to                                                                    
present  to  the  committee.   He  introduced  a  PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  titled "House  Finance Committee  Alaska Court                                                                    
System Budget Overview,"  (copy on file). He  began with the                                                                    
court system's mission  statement on slide 2  and thought it                                                                    
perfectly teed  up the questions about  criminal case delays                                                                    
because   part   of   the   court   system's   mission   was                                                                    
expeditiously deciding  cases. He  asked to hear  from Nancy                                                                    
Meade on the topic.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:11:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE,  GENERAL COUNSEL, ALASKA COURT  SYSTEM, relayed                                                                    
that the  delays in the  backlog were vastly  improving. She                                                                    
explained that last year, the  court system took a point-in-                                                                    
time-look at the  number of pending cases and  on January 1,                                                                    
2024, there  were over 15,000,  compared to about  10,000 on                                                                    
January 1,  2025. She  noted it was  a remarkable  change in                                                                    
one year.  She explained that  the court system  was closing                                                                    
more  cases than  it was  opening. The  public defender  was                                                                    
disposing  more  cases  than   it  was  receiving,  and  the                                                                    
Department  of  Law  (DOL)  was closing  more  than  it  was                                                                    
filing.  She stated  that the  whole  system was  on a  good                                                                    
trajectory. She spoke about  unacceptable delays in outlying                                                                    
cases.  She clarified  that delays  occurred because  either                                                                    
the  defense   attorney  or  the  prosecutor   asked  for  a                                                                    
postponement. The court did not  postpone court dates unless                                                                    
something  rare and  serious occurred  (e.g., illness).  The                                                                    
court had  a policy  of always having  a judge  available if                                                                    
the parties  were ready for  trial. She elaborated  that the                                                                    
court  brought  in  retired  pro  tem  judges  to  handle  a                                                                    
particular  case  when  necessary.   She  detailed  that  if                                                                    
parties came  in Monday morning  ready, the court  was ready                                                                    
to go. To  keep things moving more quickly,  the courts were                                                                    
scheduling trailing  calendars. For  example, a  judge would                                                                    
tell four  different cases they  were going to  trial Monday                                                                    
morning  at 9:00  a.m.  The expectation  was  that at  least                                                                    
three  of the  cases  would  enter into  a  plea bargain  by                                                                    
Monday  morning,  because   experience  indicated  that  the                                                                    
closer the  trial date,  the quicker a  case went  into plea                                                                    
bargain status. If two cases were  ready to go to trial that                                                                    
Monday morning, the department would  get a retired judge to                                                                    
take the  second case.  The court system  was doing  what it                                                                    
could  to ensure  that every  time the  parties were  ready,                                                                    
they could go to trial.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Meade  relayed that  the backlog  was being  lowered and                                                                    
was  currently at  the level  it was  prior to  the COVID-19                                                                    
pandemic. The case level was on  par with 2018 and 2019. She                                                                    
noted  that outliers  taking longer  to  get to  disposition                                                                    
were the most  serious cases and were  atypical. The typical                                                                    
time  to disposition  was shorter  than one  may think.  The                                                                    
median time  to disposition  for misdemeanors was  about six                                                                    
months even  for the most  serious cases. The same  was true                                                                    
for  Class C  felonies including  theft. She  clarified that                                                                    
median  was not  average and  removed the  outliers at  each                                                                    
end,  but  the  court  believed  it  was  a  better  way  to                                                                    
illustrate what was more typical.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Meade explained  that more  serious  cases took  longer                                                                    
because  they  involved   more  evidence,  more  complicated                                                                    
evidence,  and  more  parties.  She  relayed  that  Class  A                                                                    
felonies  had a  median  time of  three  years, which  could                                                                    
involve delays in  receiving reports from the  crime lab and                                                                    
the troopers  and all other  parties had  substantially more                                                                    
investigations to  do. She referenced  cases that may  be in                                                                    
the  media that  may  take eight  years or  may  have to  be                                                                    
dismissed  because a  victim became  disillusioned with  the                                                                    
length of time  it was taking and clarified that  it was not                                                                    
typical. She  recognized that it was  unacceptable and their                                                                    
was no  defense for it, but  it was not occurring  on repeat                                                                    
and the  overall system was  not broken. She stated  that no                                                                    
one  liked the  delays  in the  system,  but sometimes  they                                                                    
could not be helped. She  addressed the question about why a                                                                    
party  would   ask  for   a  postponement.   She  referenced                                                                    
testimony  from agencies  earlier in  the meeting  that they                                                                    
had somewhat  of an attrition problem,  which was improving.                                                                    
She  explained  that  agencies  had  inexperienced  lawyers,                                                                    
which  meant  individuals  were  less  able  to  assess  the                                                                    
strength of their case and what  their next steps may be; it                                                                    
was  slower  to get  things  done.  She elaborated  that  if                                                                    
someone left  an agency and a  new attorney had to  step in,                                                                    
the new attorney likely needed  to start from square one. If                                                                    
discovery had  already been exchanged, the  new attorney may                                                                    
not  be  familiar  with  what  the  departing  attorney  had                                                                    
already spent many hours on.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Meade underscored that the  amount of discovery had been                                                                    
growing over  the past decade.  For example, if  an attorney                                                                    
received a  "phone dump" in  a drug  case and it  took hours                                                                    
for  someone  to go  through  the  terabyte of  information.                                                                    
Cases were  taking longer  on average,  and the  median time                                                                    
was growing,  partially due to the  circumstances in digital                                                                    
discovery.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:17:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mead  continued  to discuss  reasons  for  delays.  She                                                                    
relayed  that  part  of  the delay  was  due  to  attorneys.                                                                    
Additionally,   there  were   some   number  of   defendants                                                                    
represented by  private counsel. She explained  that private                                                                    
counsel could  be overworked with  too many cases  and there                                                                    
were numerous scheduling problems.  For example, if a person                                                                    
was scheduled to be in  a courtroom and another judge wanted                                                                    
the attorney in their courtroom,  something had to give. She                                                                    
remarked that  it was a  fairly common request  from private                                                                    
defense  attorneys  because  of  scheduling  problems;  they                                                                    
could not  be in  two places  at once. She  noted it  was an                                                                    
issue for defense attorneys and  prosecutors as well, but it                                                                    
was prevalent  for private attorneys who  had extremely high                                                                    
caseloads. When  a new attorney was  on a case they  may ask                                                                    
for a  continuance because they just  received the discovery                                                                    
or for other reasons. She  explained that the court was hard                                                                    
pressed to  force someone  to go to  trial when  an attorney                                                                    
was not  ready. She  detailed that it  was counterproductive                                                                    
and  resulted in  fodder for  a later  claim of  ineffective                                                                    
assistance  of  counsel, which  turned  into  an appeal  and                                                                    
added another  several years onto the  timeframe. She stated                                                                    
that the victim did not want  that, nor did anyone else. She                                                                    
characterized it  as being between  a rock and a  hard place                                                                    
when  an  attorney  said  they were  not  ready  for  trial.                                                                    
Forcing  attorneys to  trial did  not lead  to results  that                                                                    
anyone in the system would be happy with.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski  asked   if   there  were   any                                                                    
guidelines that  put rails  on what  could be  considered or                                                                    
not considered  a continuances.  Alternatively, he  asked if                                                                    
it was solely at the judge's discretion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead replied that the  rules specified that there needed                                                                    
to be good  cause shown. She elaborated that  if an attorney                                                                    
had  just been  given the  case, it  was likely  good cause.                                                                    
There  had been  recent and  older efforts  by the  court to                                                                    
ratchet  down on  when continuances  would  be allowed.  She                                                                    
relayed  that everyone  in the  system was  aware that  long                                                                    
times to disposition were not  helpful to anyone. There were                                                                    
some  cooperative efforts  by a  working group  comprised of                                                                    
the agencies and court system.  She noted there was recently                                                                    
a presiding judge order that all  of the other judges had to                                                                    
follow  that  said  in part  and  in  certain  circumstances                                                                    
generally good  cause would  not include  lack of  an offer,                                                                    
outstanding discovery, ongoing  (plea bargain) negotiations,                                                                    
application  to a  different court,  new  charges, or  other                                                                    
pending   cases   unless   in  another   jurisdiction,   the                                                                    
defendant's  participation in  a treatment  program, or  the                                                                    
defendant being  out of state  because of a case  in another                                                                    
jurisdiction. She  remarked that sometimes one  of the items                                                                    
had to be  considered good cause. The  presiding judge order                                                                    
applied to  an extension of  the time at the  very beginning                                                                    
of a  case prior  to an  indictment in  a felony.  The court                                                                    
system was  making an effort  to give guidance  to attorneys                                                                    
about what they could and could not ask for.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:21:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked when the order had been issued.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead replied that the order was dated February 8, 2024.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  suspected that the  order likely                                                                    
came out because some were  abusing the system. He felt very                                                                    
frustrated  for victims  when trials  were delayed  eight to                                                                    
ten years  and the victim could  not take it any  longer. He                                                                    
was  glad  to hear  there  were  remedies coming  forth.  He                                                                    
wondered  if  the  legislature could  do  anything  such  as                                                                    
putting guidelines into law in  terms of what could or could                                                                    
not constitute a continuance.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead  was happy to  talk about the topic  offline. There                                                                    
were   criminal  rules   (referenced  earlier   by  Co-Chair                                                                    
Josephson) that  were very  long with  all sorts  of reasons                                                                    
and timeframes  and with  a lot of  caselaw. She  noted that                                                                    
they  would   bump  into  due   process  concerns   and  the                                                                    
ineffective  assistance  of  counsel concerns  that  may  be                                                                    
counterproductive. She  thought the  effort by the  court to                                                                    
set some  guidelines was bearing fruit,  which was reflected                                                                    
in the data over the past year showing improvement.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:23:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  returned to the presentation.  He wanted                                                                    
to make sure to get to the budget issues.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Klein briefly  went  over  slides 3  and  4. The  court                                                                    
system was entirely  state funded, all of  its revenues went                                                                    
into  the  General  Fund,  and   the  state  had  a  unified                                                                    
judiciary. Slide 4 showed a  map of Alaska with superior and                                                                    
district  court locations  across the  state. There  were 38                                                                    
locations with 39 courthouses. He reviewed slide 5:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   Alaskans Served in 2024                                                                                                      
      93,315 new cases filed (trial and appellate courts)                                                                    
      5,691 contacts thru the Family Law Self Help Center                                                                    
      3,573 Alaskans served on juries                                                                                        
      7,738,378 visits to https://courts.alaska.gov/                                                                         
      2,664,760 CourtView searches                                                                                           
      429 therapeutic court participants                                                                                     
      Tens of thousands of on line court forms accessed                                                                      
        or downloaded                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:24:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Klein addressed the caseload change  from FY 23 to FY 24                                                                    
on  slide 6.  There was  a slight  uptick in  FY 24  after a                                                                    
slight  decrease in  FY 23.  Specifically,  in the  superior                                                                    
court, there  was a  decrease of 3.4  percent. There  was an                                                                    
increase  in  the district  court.  Slide  7 listed  factors                                                                    
impacting the court system workloads:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Population                                                                                                             
      Demographics                                                                                                           
      Police                                                                                                                 
      Economy                                                                                                                
      Statutory Changes                                                                                                      
      Recovery from Pandemic Era                                                                                             
      Staff Vacancies                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Klein elaborated on slide 7.  He relayed that due to the                                                                    
state's aging population, the types  of cases in Alaska were                                                                    
changing. He relayed that in  poor economic years, the court                                                                    
system may  see more  family law  and Child  in Need  of Aid                                                                    
(CINA) cases.  He noted that  statutory changes such  as the                                                                    
Court  Visitor Program  that the  legislature  moved to  the                                                                    
court system was the type  of thing that increased the court                                                                    
system's workload.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:25:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Klein  relayed that  the  Court  System vacancies  were                                                                    
trending downward (slide  8). The court system  was proud of                                                                    
the work  its HR department  was doing. The  highest vacancy                                                                    
rate was  13.3 percent in FY  21 and it had  been reduced to                                                                    
10 percent  in the last  calendar year. The  current vacancy                                                                    
rate was almost exactly at  the 7.2 percent the court system                                                                    
was funded for.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked for verification  that under HB 226                                                                    
[SB  259], a  typical court  system employee  was under  the                                                                    
supervisory bargaining unit.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead replied that it was generally correct.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Klein clarified  that the  bill number  was SB  259. He                                                                    
moved  to slide  9 and  reviewed  who worked  for the  court                                                                    
system.  There were  more  than  650 nonjudicial  positions,                                                                    
which were primarily clerical (range  10 to range 14). There                                                                    
were  numerous  lower  paying  positions  within  the  court                                                                    
system  in  addition  to the  administration  office,  which                                                                    
housed HR, fiscal, Ms. Meade  and himself. He moved to slide                                                                    
11 and addressed  all funding sources for  the court system.                                                                    
A pie chart on the  slide depicted the court system's budget                                                                    
compared to all state agencies  for all funding sources. The                                                                    
judicial  branch included  the  court  system, the  Judicial                                                                    
Council, and the Commission on  Judicial Conduct and made up                                                                    
about 1.5 percent of the FY 26 operating budget request.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked for verification that  filing fees                                                                    
of $250 for a civil suit went to the general fund.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Klein responded  affirmatively.  He  detailed above  $7                                                                    
million had  been deposited into  the General Fund  from the                                                                    
courts in the current year.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Klein turned  to  slide 12  and  addressed a  breakdown                                                                    
showing where  court system funding went.  The vast majority                                                                    
went  to   trial  courts.   Other  funding   areas  included                                                                    
administration,  therapeutic courts,  and appellate  courts.                                                                    
He  looked at  slide 13  showing  a breakdown  of where  the                                                                    
court system  spent its  money. Personal  services accounted                                                                    
for the vast  majority of the court  system budget, followed                                                                    
by contractual services (facility leases).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:28:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Klein reviewed the FY  26 budget request. The number one                                                                    
item was  facility maintenance and operations  in the amount                                                                    
of  $552,300.  He  explained   that  the  governor's  budget                                                                    
included  $362,000.   The  increment  was  for   lease  cost                                                                    
increases -  Consumer Price Index  (CPI) costs - as  well as                                                                    
utility  costs   and  costs  owed   to  the   Department  of                                                                    
Transportation   and   Public    Facilities   for   facility                                                                    
maintenance. The next  increment was to true up  the cost of                                                                    
the  court  visitor  services,  statutorily  mandated  court                                                                    
visitors  moved  to the  court  system  from the  Office  of                                                                    
Public Advocacy  a couple  of years back.  He noted  that it                                                                    
was the  last time the  court system expected to  request an                                                                    
increment for court visitors. The  budget reflected what the                                                                    
court system expected its actual  cost to be moving forward.                                                                    
The third  request was for reimbursable  services agreements                                                                    
(RSAs)  for  staff members  in  the  therapeutic courts.  He                                                                    
explained that  the individuals were employees  of executive                                                                    
branch agencies working for the  therapeutic courts and paid                                                                    
for  by the  court system  through RSAs.  He noted  that the                                                                    
employees  received raises  and  the  increment would  cover                                                                    
those raises.  The budget request  included $92,400  was for                                                                    
two positions  in therapeutic  courts, which  were primarily                                                                    
funded  with Alaska  Mental Health  Trust Authority  (AMHTA)                                                                    
money.  The  money  did  not  cover the  full  cost  of  the                                                                    
positions.  The UGF  portion of  the two  positions combined                                                                    
was $92,400.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson looked  at the asterisk at  the bottom of                                                                    
slide 14  and asked  how the  governor's office  had derived                                                                    
the figure of $188,800.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Klein replied that he did not know.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Klein  addressed FY 26  operating requests  (non-UGF) on                                                                    
slide 15.  The first increment  was the AMHTA money  for the                                                                    
two positions he  had just discussed. There  was $200,000 in                                                                    
interagency   federal  receipts   from  the   Child  Support                                                                    
Division  to  fund  an  additional  position  in  the  early                                                                    
resolution project.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson referenced Rule  45. He thought it seemed                                                                    
to say  if there was a  motion to suppress that  no pretrial                                                                    
motion  shall be  held  under advisement  for  more than  30                                                                    
days. He  noted he was not  saying it was not  happening. He                                                                    
interpreted  the rule  to  say that  when  the court  system                                                                    
received an important substantive  motion in a criminal case                                                                    
that it would act within 30  days. He thought it was strange                                                                    
that the rule  also stated that if the court  system did not                                                                    
act within  30 days it would  come out of "the  hide" of the                                                                    
defendant in terms  of the speedy trial rule.  He cited that                                                                    
"anything longer than 30 days  shall not be considered as an                                                                    
excluded period."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead replied that they  could talk about it offline. She                                                                    
did not  have the rule  on hand.   She would need  to follow                                                                    
up.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  for verification  that the  court                                                                    
system was supposed to rule quickly on pretrial practice.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mead responded  affirmatively.  She noted  that it  was                                                                    
after motions  were fully ripe.  She noted that  briefs went                                                                    
back and forth before motions were ripe.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan looked  at the  asterisk on  slide 14                                                                    
that  the  governor's  budget was  $188,800  less  than  the                                                                    
court's  assessment of  what it  needed to  continue on  the                                                                    
current  trajectory. She  asked  if failing  to receive  the                                                                    
additional  money  would  slow   the  disposition  of  cases                                                                    
brought before the court system.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Klein answered  that he  did not  believe the  $188,000                                                                    
would slow the disposition of  cases. The court system would                                                                    
either find the  money somewhere else or  cut something that                                                                    
did not impact disposition times.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked if there  was an understanding in a                                                                    
memo from 1962 that the  court system would propose a budget                                                                    
to the Office  of Management and Budget and it  would be the                                                                    
amount included in the governor's budget.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Klein  confirmed that  until about  five years  back, an                                                                    
operating  budget from  the  court system  came  out of  OMB                                                                    
unchanged because  the Judiciary,  as an  independent branch                                                                    
of government,  should have the ability  for the legislature                                                                    
to see its  entire budget request as  required by separation                                                                    
of powers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  thanked the presenters. He  reviewed the                                                                    
schedule for the following meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
FY26 JUD/Court System Budget Overview HFIN 2-21-25.pdf HFIN 2/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53
HB 55
DOA-PDA Presentation to HFIN February 2025.pdf HFIN 2/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53
HB 55
LAW HFIN Budget Overview 2.20.25 Final.pdf HFIN 2/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53
HB 55
LAW Overview HFIN 022125 Supporting Document AS.pdf HFIN 2/21/2025 1:30:00 PM