Legislature(2025 - 2026)ADAMS 519

02/06/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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03:29:44 PM Adjourn
01:33:27 PM Start
01:34:46 PM Overview: Fy26 Department Budget
02:22:43 PM Presentation: Agency Responses to Fy25 Intent Language
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 69 EDUCATION FUNDING: INCREASE BSA TELECONFERENCED
<Pending Referral>
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 53 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 55 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: FY26 Department Budget by Assistant TELECONFERENCED
Commissioner Marian Sweet, Department of
Community and Family Services
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Agency Responses to FY25 Intent language by
Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance
Division
HOUSE BILL NO. 53                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     making  reappropriations;  making appropriations  under                                                                    
     art.  IX,  sec. 17(c),  Constitution  of  the State  of                                                                    
     Alaska,  from the  constitutional budget  reserve fund;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 55                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: FY26 DEPARTMENT BUDGET                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:34:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIM KOVOL, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY                                                                    
SERVICES,    introduced   herself    and   the    PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation "Department  of Family and  Community Services;                                                                    
FY2026  Budget Overview,"  dated February  6, 2026  (copy on                                                                    
file). She  reminded members that  Department of  Family and                                                                    
Community Services  (DFCS) came into existence  in 2022. She                                                                    
continued  to slide  2 and  shared that  the department  had                                                                    
seen  positive  results  from  the  reorganization  and  was                                                                    
continuing  to  progress  its  priorities.  She  noted  that                                                                    
department staff were present to answer questions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kovol  continued  to  slide  3  and  relayed  that  the                                                                    
department's  mission was  to provide  support, safety,  and                                                                    
ensure  personal  well-being  for vulnerable  Alaskans.  The                                                                    
department was  divided into four primary  divisions: Alaska                                                                    
Pioneer  Homes (APH),  Alaska  Psychiatric Institute  (API),                                                                    
Office  of Children's  Services (OCS),  and the  Division of                                                                    
Juvenile   Justice    (DJJ).   Additionally,    there   were                                                                    
departmental   support   services    included   within   the                                                                    
department.  The total  budget for  the department  was just                                                                    
under $500 million.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:37:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIAN SWEET,  ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF FAMILY                                                                    
AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, continued to  slide 4 and provided a                                                                    
financial  overview of  the department.  The slide  included                                                                    
DFCS's FY 24 actuals, the FY  25 management plan, and the FY                                                                    
26  governor's  proposed  budget.  She  explained  that  the                                                                    
proposed  budget  for  FY  26   represented  a  1.4  percent                                                                    
increase  compared  to  the  FY   25  management  plan.  The                                                                    
increase was attributed to  technical salary adjustments and                                                                    
a few new budget items,  which would be discussed further in                                                                    
the following slides.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet reported  that in FY 24, the  amount of unutilized                                                                    
unrestricted general  fund (UGF)  authority that  had lapsed                                                                    
had been  1.8 percent  of the total  budget and  amounted to                                                                    
approximately $4.4  million. The  majority of the  lapse had                                                                    
been found  in the  grant line  and was  primarily due  to a                                                                    
reduction  in  the  number of  foster  families  under  OCS,                                                                    
leading  to fewer  funds being  distributed. The  department                                                                    
had  been  conducting a  review  of  its restricted  revenue                                                                    
sources to  assess any potential lapse  balances. The review                                                                    
had included  evaluating historical  lapse balances  and any                                                                    
anticipated  lapses  for  the  current  fiscal  year,  which                                                                    
allowed  the department  to  make  necessary adjustments  in                                                                    
future budget cycles.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol continued to slide 5  and gave an overview of APH,                                                                    
which  provided  a  range  of  services  to  assist  elderly                                                                    
residents.  The services  included daily  living assistance,                                                                    
medical  and  nursing   services,  recreational  and  social                                                                    
programs,  dietary  needs,  and  housekeeping.  Notably,  61                                                                    
percent  of residents  had been  diagnosed with  a dementia-                                                                    
related disease, though the percentage  varied from the high                                                                    
40s  to the  low 70s  depending  on the  specific home.  The                                                                    
division  had employed  over  400 staff  members  and had  a                                                                    
budget exceeding $112 million.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  relayed that she was  concerned about                                                                    
the growing  elderly demographic  need in Alaska.  She asked                                                                    
whether  there had  been an  analysis of  future demand  for                                                                    
services, particularly  in relation  to the  state's growing                                                                    
elderly population and the 506  bed capacity at APH. She was                                                                    
particularly concerned about the Fairbanks facility.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol replied that the  506 bed capacity could fluctuate                                                                    
between  85 percent  to 95  percent full,  depending on  the                                                                    
home.  For  example, Juneau  was  at  100 percent  capacity,                                                                    
while Anchorage's  capacity percentage had been  in the mid-                                                                    
80s due  to renovations.  She relayed that  private entities                                                                    
in the  state had been  operating independently and  had not                                                                    
been subject to  the same regulations as  the pioneer homes.                                                                    
The  private  entities  were typically  better  equipped  to                                                                    
serve residents  with lower levels  of care.  However, there                                                                    
had been  a growing demand  for higher levels of  care, with                                                                    
more elders  requiring more care  than the  private entities                                                                    
had been  equipped to  handle. As  a result,  many residents                                                                    
with more  severe needs had  been seeking care at  APH which                                                                    
had contributed to the rising demand.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  thought  it  appeared  that  private                                                                    
entities might  have been taking  in elders  requiring lower                                                                    
levels  of care,  while APH  had  increasingly served  those                                                                    
with higher needs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  responded in the affirmative.  She explained that                                                                    
while private  entities might have accepted  a few residents                                                                    
that had  high assisted living  needs ranked at  level three                                                                    
and level four, the  private entities generally preferred to                                                                    
serve  residents  with  levels   one  and  two  care  needs.                                                                    
Consequently,  APH   had  become  the  primary   option  for                                                                    
individuals requiring more intensive care.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked if  APH was receiving additional                                                                    
funding.  She asked  how the  facilities were  accommodating                                                                    
the influx of residents with  more intensive care needs. She                                                                    
assumed that APH would need  more staff support and possibly                                                                    
a different type of environment for some kinds of patients.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol responded that residents  requiring level three to                                                                    
five   care   often   needed  more   mechanical   supportive                                                                    
equipment. She  noted that the  department was  looking into                                                                    
replicating  its memory  care  units  to accommodate  higher                                                                    
care  needs.  There  were   also  safety  considerations  to                                                                    
address,  such  as  staffing  ratios  and  facility  design,                                                                    
especially  since  APH and  other  aging  facilities in  the                                                                    
state   had  been   originally   designed  under   different                                                                    
regulations and  for a  different population.  She suggested                                                                    
Ms. Sweet elaborate on the funding aspects.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet added  that there  were distinct  rate structures                                                                    
for each level of care  provided. The higher the care level,                                                                    
the higher  the charge,  although the department  also faced                                                                    
challenges with  the increased cost  of care.  She explained                                                                    
that the legislature's payment  assistance program came into                                                                    
play because  the additional funds could  provide support to                                                                    
ensure  that all  elders in  all  homes could  be cared  for                                                                    
despite  the  financial  challenges  posed  by  higher  care                                                                    
levels.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked whether a resident  who started                                                                    
at a  level one or two  and later escalated to  a level four                                                                    
or five  would be  required to  remain at  APH, even  if the                                                                    
funding for higher care level was unavailable.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet  responded in the affirmative.  She explained that                                                                    
once a  resident entered APH,  it became their home  and the                                                                    
department would  provide the  necessary funding  to support                                                                    
them and ensure they were not displaced.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked to be provided  with the number                                                                    
of beds available  at each APH location.  She also requested                                                                    
more information regarding wait lists.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet responded  with the  details  for each  facility,                                                                    
starting  with  the  Anchorage Pioneer  Home,  which  had  a                                                                    
capacity  of  177  and  a  current census  of  153.  At  the                                                                    
Veterans' Pioneer Home, the capacity  was 79, with a current                                                                    
census of 69.  The Fairbanks Pioneer Home had  a capacity of                                                                    
91 and  a census  of 58, but  the reduction  was intentional                                                                    
due  to remodeling  work  being done  on  the flooring.  The                                                                    
Juneau Pioneer Home had both a  capacity and a census of 49.                                                                    
The  Ketchikan Pioneer  Home had  a capacity  of 45,  with a                                                                    
census  of  44.  Finally,  the  Sitka  Pioneer  Home  had  a                                                                    
capacity  of  65,  with  a   census  of  61.  She  asked  if                                                                    
Representative Hannan also wanted the wait list numbers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan responded in the affirmative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet responded  with the  active wait  lists for  each                                                                    
facility, starting  with the  Anchorage Pioneer  Home, which                                                                    
had 124 individuals on its  wait list. The Veterans' Pioneer                                                                    
Home  had a  wait list  of 94,  while the  Fairbanks Pioneer                                                                    
Home  had 157  individuals  waiting for  a  bed. The  Juneau                                                                    
Pioneer Home had  126 individuals on its wait  list, and the                                                                    
Ketchikan Pioneer  Home had 73.  The Sitka Pioneer  Home had                                                                    
48 individuals on its wait list.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  continued to  slide  6  and described  the  main                                                                    
sources  of funding  for  APH. She  noted  that the  largest                                                                    
portion  came  from  the "other"  category,  which  included                                                                    
interagency receipts from Medicaid  claims and APH's Payment                                                                    
Assistance  Program.   Additionally,  the  division   had  a                                                                    
reimbursable service  agreement (RSA) with DJJ  for pharmacy                                                                    
services where APH supplied pharmacy  services. In the other                                                                    
category, statutory designated  program receipts (SDPR) were                                                                    
also significant,  especially for revenue  collected through                                                                    
the pharmacy program. The primary  source of funding for UGF                                                                    
was the Payment Assistance  Program, with the remaining $4.6                                                                    
million  UGF   balance  being  used  to   help  support  the                                                                    
operations  of each  of the  homes. She  noted that  general                                                                    
fund  program  receipts   included  revenue  collected  from                                                                    
residents'  private  pay  as   well  as  private  insurance.                                                                    
Additionally,  due  to  the  classification  of  the  Palmer                                                                    
facility as a home for  veterans, the department was able to                                                                    
receive federal reimbursement  through the federal Veterans'                                                                    
Affairs  (VA)  for the  Palmer  home.  The increase  of  100                                                                    
percent  in   the  APH  budget   was  strictly   for  salary                                                                    
adjustments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Koval  continued   to  slide   7   and  API's   budget                                                                    
information. She  explained that API was  the only state-run                                                                    
hospital  providing acute  psychiatric  care to  individuals                                                                    
experiencing mental  health crises in Alaska.  The institute                                                                    
had  a licensed  capacity of  80 beds  and it  was the  only                                                                    
provider  in  the   state  offering  competency  restoration                                                                    
treatment  for   individuals  found  by  the   court  to  be                                                                    
incompetent  to stand  trial.  The total  FY  26 budget  was                                                                    
$62.5 million.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet continued  to slide  8 and  explained that  API's                                                                    
proposed  budget for  FY  26 included  an  increase of  $4.4                                                                    
million to support a structural  deficit within the facility                                                                    
that  was caused  by rising  operational costs  coupled with                                                                    
reductions  in  revenue  collections. She  shared  that  API                                                                    
collected   revenue  through   the  other   category,  which                                                                    
included interagency receipts as  well as SDPR. The majority                                                                    
of  API's  interagency  receipt collections  came  from  the                                                                    
Disproportionate Share  Hospital (DSH) program,  followed by                                                                    
Medicaid  receipts and  claims.  She relayed  that API  also                                                                    
collected revenue  from private  pay and  private insurance.                                                                    
In December of  2024, API received a notice  that federal FY                                                                    
26  DSH  allotments  would  be  reduced  to  just  under  $1                                                                    
million, which  would directly impact API's  revenue. If the                                                                    
department   maintained   its   current  rate   of   revenue                                                                    
collections   from  Medicaid,   private  pay,   and  private                                                                    
insurance, it anticipated a  reduction of approximately $4.7                                                                    
million in total revenue for FY 26.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:50:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  whether  there  had  been  any                                                                    
discussion   at   the   federal  level   regarding   further                                                                    
reductions in  DSH payments, as  it seemed likely  that such                                                                    
reductions  could  continue.  He  asked  how  concerned  the                                                                    
department was about the impact on operations at API.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  confirmed that  the  department  had heard  that                                                                    
there would  be incremental decreases over  the next several                                                                    
years.  She  explained  that  it  was  likely  that  similar                                                                    
reductions  would  occur in  FY  27  based on  the  expected                                                                    
reduction of around $1 million  in FY 26. The department was                                                                    
focusing on  how to  mitigate the  impact of  the reductions                                                                    
and increase revenues within API.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  if   the  department  had  any                                                                    
replacement  revenue  sources  planned, aside  from  general                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet responded  that the  department  had developed  a                                                                    
plan to  address the revenue  shortfall. She  explained that                                                                    
the department had  hired a contractor to  review and assess                                                                    
the coding  and billing processes to  improve the collection                                                                    
of revenues  and optimize the  financial operations  at API.                                                                    
She hoped  to see  the results of  the revenue  increases as                                                                    
early  as  the end  of  the  current  fiscal year,  but  the                                                                    
department  expected  to  see proven  successes  by  FY  26.                                                                    
Another aspect of the  plan involved evaluating expenditures                                                                    
to mitigate  the reduction in  revenues. The  department had                                                                    
already started  trimming down expenditures  where possible,                                                                    
but  cuts  could not  compromise  the  services provided  to                                                                    
patients. One area  that the department was  focusing on was                                                                    
staffing,  particularly overtime.  She  noted  that API  had                                                                    
been relying  on significant overtime due  to lower staffing                                                                    
levels and  there was a  strong push  to hire more  staff to                                                                    
reduce  overtime  costs.  Additionally,  the  use  of  locum                                                                    
tenens  [temporary  providers  brought  in  to  support  the                                                                    
hospital]  had been  significantly  reduced. The  department                                                                    
planned  to reduce  locum tenens  even further  once it  was                                                                    
able    to   hire    more   full-time    psychiatrists   and                                                                    
psychologists.  The department  had seen  success in  hiring                                                                    
staff  through the  Sexual  Harassment/Assault Response  and                                                                    
Prevention  (SHARP)  program, which  was  why  there was  an                                                                    
additional  Alaska  Mental  Health Trust  Authority  (AMHTA)                                                                    
recommendation for $200,000 for the program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:54:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked if  there were transitional care                                                                    
options  for mental  health patients  in Alaska,  similar to                                                                    
the step-down  care that  patients from  Providence Hospital                                                                    
might   receive.  She   asked  what   options  existed   for                                                                    
individuals transitioning away from API.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet  responded that  there were  steps being  taken by                                                                    
partners at  the Department of  Health (DOH) to  address the                                                                    
need  for transitional  care. She  noted  that the  proposed                                                                    
legislation  HB 73  and its  companion bill  SB 76  aimed to                                                                    
create  a  complex  care home  residence  license.  The  new                                                                    
license   would  allow   for  the   creation  of   step-down                                                                    
facilities,   which   would    serve   as   more   home-like                                                                    
environments   for   individuals    transitioning   out   of                                                                    
institutionalized  settings.  The facilities  would  provide                                                                    
support  similar to  that  of  API but  in  a smaller,  less                                                                    
expensive setting,  with a  capacity of up  to 15  beds. She                                                                    
explained that the average length  of stay could vary widely                                                                    
due to the different types  of patients the facility served.                                                                    
Some patients  were court-ordered,  and the length  of their                                                                    
stay depended  on the specific services  they required. Some                                                                    
patients  remained  at  the facility  longer  than  intended                                                                    
because API  was designed for  short-term stays.  There were                                                                    
also youth patients,  whose stays could vary  based on their                                                                    
comorbidities and  diagnoses. The hospital was  not designed                                                                    
for long-term care.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:56:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked why  there was  no mention  of the                                                                    
reduction in DSH funds in the presentation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet replied  that while  the DSH  funds were  federal                                                                    
dollars,  the  funds were  awarded  out  of the  coordinated                                                                    
health  and complex  care component,  which was  where grant                                                                    
programs were  issued. The general fund  match was supported                                                                    
under the component, which was why  it did not appear in the                                                                    
federal revenue section.  The funding was not  part of API's                                                                    
budget, but  the institute did  receive the  funding through                                                                    
interagency receipts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   noted  that  there  had   been  reform                                                                    
legislation in the past. He  asked if the intended result to                                                                    
require  more  people  to be  analyzed  for  commitment  was                                                                    
achieved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol asked  if Co-Chair Josephson was  referring to the                                                                    
omnibus crime bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson responded in the affirmative.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol responded that the  reform had been implemented on                                                                    
January 1, 2025.  She explained that the  department had not                                                                    
yet begun filing for extensions  of the 180-day timeline but                                                                    
anticipated that a  backlog of patients would  soon begin to                                                                    
grow,  resulting   in  a  waitlist.   She  noted   that  the                                                                    
department  had already  implemented competency  restoration                                                                    
services outside of API. She  relayed that a community-based                                                                    
location   for  the   services  had   been  established   in                                                                    
Anchorage. The  program served  individuals who  had already                                                                    
been  court-ordered   for  release.   In  addition   to  the                                                                    
community-based  option,   the  department   maintained  ten                                                                    
available spaces  at the Anchorage Correctional  Complex and                                                                    
another   ten  at   Hiland  Mountain   Correctional  Center,                                                                    
specifically   for   female  court-ordered   patients.   She                                                                    
confirmed there  were already  participants in  the program,                                                                    
but the  census had not yet  reached the full 30  slots. The                                                                    
capacity  had not  been  reached yet  partially  due to  the                                                                    
staggered timing of court orders,  which led to participants                                                                    
rotating in and out of the programs at different intervals.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  emphasized that the department  was continuing to                                                                    
evaluate the  eligibility criteria for  services. Initially,                                                                    
individuals with  more serious  felony charges had  not been                                                                    
accepted into  the program. However, the  department was now                                                                    
considering including  those cases and evaluating  each case                                                                    
individually  and  in  coordination  with  the  courts.  The                                                                    
department   was  proceeding   cautiously  due   to  limited                                                                    
staffing.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if the  legislation had  gone into                                                                    
effect recently.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kovol confirmed  that  the effective  date  of the  new                                                                    
legislation had been recent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:00:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  continued on  slide 9  which introduced  DJJ. She                                                                    
explained  that DJJ  operated  using  a restorative  justice                                                                    
model to  work with adjudicated youth.  The division focused                                                                    
on addressing delinquent  behavior, promoting public safety,                                                                    
supporting the  restoration of victims and  communities, and                                                                    
assisting youth  and their families in  developing skills to                                                                    
prevent future  offenses. She relayed that  DJJ operated six                                                                    
secure  facilities across  the  state, as  well as  thirteen                                                                    
probation offices.  She highlighted  that the  vast majority                                                                    
of youth  under DJJ's  oversight were  not in  detention but                                                                    
rather living  in their communities,  which she viewed  as a                                                                    
positive  development. The  division employed  approximately                                                                    
400 full-time  staff and  operated with  a budget  of nearly                                                                    
$67 million.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  what the  current  census  of                                                                    
juveniles in state custody was.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  responded that the  current detention  census was                                                                    
152  and the  capacity  of  the facility  was  176. The  six                                                                    
facilities  were  located   in  Bethel,  Fairbanks,  Juneau,                                                                    
Kenai, Mat-Su, and Anchorage.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked   for the number  of youth under                                                                    
DJJ jurisdiction who were not in detention.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kovol  responded  that  there  were  approximately  530                                                                    
youth.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster asked Ms. Kovol to repeat the locations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol repeated the six locations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster   relayed  that   there  were   some  other                                                                    
locations in  the past  in Nome and  Ketchikan. He  asked if                                                                    
there was another location on the North Slope.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kovol   responded  that  "Barrow"  [Utqiagvik]   had  a                                                                  
probation office.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:02:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet  continued on  slide 10 and  detailed the  two key                                                                    
items that  contributed to the  funding increase for  DJJ in                                                                    
FY 26.  The first  item was an  expansion of  the Successful                                                                    
Youth Courts Grants Program. She  explained that funding was                                                                    
already being provided to the  eight community partners that                                                                    
operated  the program.  She noted  that  due to  significant                                                                    
interest from community partners  in the Fairbanks area, the                                                                    
department   anticipated  positive   outcomes  in   reducing                                                                    
recidivism  rates among  participating youth.  The requested                                                                    
increase for the item was $25,300 in UGF.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  continued  that  the  second  item  was  funding                                                                    
intended  to support  provider  agreements for  occupational                                                                    
therapists   serving   within   DJJ.  She   explained   that                                                                    
occupational  therapy services  played  a  critical role  in                                                                    
supporting youth  who had experienced  trauma and  it helped                                                                    
them develop coping  mechanisms, self-regulation skills, and                                                                    
ultimately contributed  to reducing recidivism.  The funding                                                                    
request totaled $100,000 and was supported by AMHTA.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin   asked    how   many   occupational                                                                    
therapists  were currently  employed under  the program  and                                                                    
serving   the   approximately   530   youth   within   DJJ's                                                                    
jurisdiction.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet   responded  that  the   occupational  therapists                                                                    
primarily provided services in  the detention facilities and                                                                    
did   not  necessarily   serve   all   youth  in   community                                                                    
supervision. She  acknowledged that McLaughlin  Youth Center                                                                    
in  Anchorage had  one occupational  therapist, but  she did                                                                    
not know  the complete  statewide count. She  confirmed that                                                                    
the  proposed  funding  would  be   used  to  add  one  more                                                                    
occupational  therapist to  the  existing  group. She  would                                                                    
follow up with the details.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet continued  that remaining  changes in  the FY  26                                                                    
budget  for DJJ  were  due to  technical salary  adjustments                                                                    
across staff positions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kovol continued  to slide  11. She  explained that  OCS                                                                    
served as the  state's child welfare agency  and was charged                                                                    
with investigating  reports of  child abuse and  neglect and                                                                    
managing Alaska's foster care  system. The division operated                                                                    
across five regions with a  network of 21 offices statewide,                                                                    
employed  600  full-time  staff members,  and  maintained  a                                                                    
total budget of $205.5 million.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   asked  whether   there  was   still  a                                                                    
clinician employed to assist  workers dealing with difficult                                                                    
or traumatic work experiences.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  confirmed that OCS  continued to have  a wellness                                                                    
officer on staff.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson recalled that  there were lapsed funds of                                                                    
a few million  dollars within the foster  care component. He                                                                    
asked  for an  update on  the current  rates paid  to foster                                                                    
families  and  whether  the  rates  had  been  assessed  for                                                                    
adequacy.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  responded that a  key challenge was  the decrease                                                                    
in licensed  foster homes,  which began  around the  time of                                                                    
the  COVID-19   pandemic.  She  noted  that   prior  to  the                                                                    
pandemic,  there  had been  more  than  1,400 licensed  non-                                                                    
child-specific  foster  homes.  By   2022,  the  number  had                                                                    
dropped  to just  over 1,100.  As of  the current  date, the                                                                    
count stood  at 920 non-child-specific homes.  She clarified                                                                    
that the total  number of licensed providers  was still over                                                                    
1,100, but non-child-specific homes had decreased to 920.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  added that in  the previous  legislative session,                                                                    
the legislature  had approved an average  base rate increase                                                                    
of  30  percent  for  foster   care  payments,  with  actual                                                                    
increases  ranging  from  approximately  26  percent  to  32                                                                    
percent  depending on  the  age and  needs  category of  the                                                                    
child. Since the rate increase  took effect on July 1, 2024,                                                                    
the  department had  received 348  new  foster care  license                                                                    
applications.  Some  of  the  applicants  had  already  been                                                                    
approved and  others were still moving  through the approval                                                                    
process. She was  encouraged by the response  and noted that                                                                    
the number continued  to rise. She suggested  that Ms. Sweet                                                                    
address the issue of lapsed funds.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:07:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet replied  that the amount of funds  that had lapsed                                                                    
totaled  $2.3 million  and a  significant  portion had  been                                                                    
within OCS.  She noted  that there had  been a  reduction in                                                                    
the  number of  children placed  in out-of-home  care, which                                                                    
appeared to  be the  primary factor  behind the  decrease in                                                                    
expenditures.   The  reduction   was  attributable   to  the                                                                    
decreased number of children in  such placements rather than                                                                    
the licensing process.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson acknowledged  that the  reasons for  the                                                                    
decline were  complicated and it was  difficult to determine                                                                    
whether  the   reduction  should  be  seen   as  a  positive                                                                    
development, especially considering  the reasonable concerns                                                                    
surrounding youth  mental health, economic  instability, and                                                                    
domestic violence. He asked whether  the decrease in out-of-                                                                    
home  placements should  be viewed  optimistically or  if it                                                                    
pointed to other underlying issues.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  replied that the situation  was multifaceted. She                                                                    
wondered  whether   the  current  need  truly   centered  on                                                                    
increasing  the  number  of foster  homes,  particularly  in                                                                    
light  of  the  decrease  in children  in  state  care.  She                                                                    
suggested  there was  a possibility  that what  was actually                                                                    
needed was a  broader range of foster homes  that could meet                                                                    
diverse  needs and  serve specific  population demographics,                                                                    
including sibling  groups. She  noted that not  every foster                                                                    
parent  was equipped  to care  for  a young  child, and  not                                                                    
every foster family was prepared  to support a teenager. She                                                                    
also  identified  challenges  such as  the  availability  of                                                                    
child  care,  which  many   foster  families  required.  The                                                                    
department  had established  a dedicated  search and  foster                                                                    
unit  to  support foster  families.  She  added that  a  new                                                                    
respite  program   had  recently  been   launched  following                                                                    
requests from foster families  for additional assistance and                                                                    
support.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kovol  continued that  there was  a growing  trend among                                                                    
families who  preferred to  avoid state  involvement, opting                                                                    
instead for  private relationships  with foster  children or                                                                    
kinship  placements. The  department respected  the choices,                                                                    
but acknowledged  that preferences  might evolve  over time.                                                                    
The  department still  encouraged families  to consider  the                                                                    
licensing process.  She explained  that when  the department                                                                    
underwent reorganization,  there had  been just  under 3,000                                                                    
children in  out-of-home care, and  the number  had declined                                                                    
to slightly more than 2,400 at present.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kovol   continued  that  there  had   been  significant                                                                    
progress  made   in  terms   of  family   reunification  and                                                                    
achieving  permanency   for  children.  However,   she  also                                                                    
recognized  that in  Alaska, achieving  permanency generally                                                                    
took longer  due to  a range of  factors. For  example, many                                                                    
Alaska Native tribes  did not want OCS to  move quickly into                                                                    
terminations of parental rights  (TPR) and instead wished to                                                                    
consider  guardianship. She  relayed that  the strategy  was                                                                    
frowned upon  on the  federal level but  it was  embraced in                                                                    
Alaska  as the  more suitable  option for  certain families.                                                                    
She  acknowledged that  guardianship  was  not considered  a                                                                    
form of  legal permanency  under federal  standards, meaning                                                                    
that  such cases  remained open  for  extended periods.  The                                                                    
department's  perspective  was  that honoring  the  family's                                                                    
wishes through  guardianship was often the  most appropriate                                                                    
solution, even  if it did  not conform to  federally defined                                                                    
categories.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  noted that further  discussion regarding                                                                    
audits  would  likely  be   necessary  during  the  upcoming                                                                    
finance subcommittee process.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:11:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  expressed concern about  the caseload                                                                    
volume  assigned to  caseworkers.  She stated  that she  had                                                                    
received information suggesting that  the number of children                                                                    
assigned  to each  caseworker  remained approximately  three                                                                    
times the  national average. She asked  if her understanding                                                                    
was correct.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet responded  that  discussions regarding  caseloads                                                                    
and case counts  were ongoing. She relayed that  a key point                                                                    
of debate  centered on whether  a case should be  counted by                                                                    
family  unit  or  by  the   individual  number  of  children                                                                    
involved. The differing  interpretations of what constituted                                                                    
a  case  continued  to   influence  reported  figures.  Some                                                                    
progress  had  been  made   in  reducing  caseloads,  though                                                                    
desired levels had not been  reached.  She affirmed that the                                                                    
figures no  longer reflected the double  or triple multiples                                                                    
previously seen.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet continued  that caseloads  varied  by region.  In                                                                    
certain  areas,   a  small  number  of   caseworkers  served                                                                    
multiple  remote communities,  resulting  in caseloads  that                                                                    
differed  significantly from  those in  urban settings.  She                                                                    
emphasized that it  was not possible to equate  one child to                                                                    
another  on  a one-to-one  basis.  The  needs of  individual                                                                    
children  could differ  dramatically;  a  child requiring  a                                                                    
lower level of  care necessitated far less  time and support                                                                    
than one with  high needs. She reiterated  that cases varied                                                                    
greatly.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  whether  any  audits had  been                                                                    
conducted  in Alaska  similar to  those undertaken  in other                                                                    
areas of  the U.S.  in which standardized  evaluations might                                                                    
account   for  variables   and  allow   for  more   accurate                                                                    
comparisons.  She  stated  that   her  primary  concern  was                                                                    
whether the  department had  access to  adequate assistance.                                                                    
She noted that the budget  appeared flat and that addressing                                                                    
caseload   issues  could   enhance   both  recruitment   and                                                                    
retention.  She  stressed that  she  wished  to support  the                                                                    
department in any way possible.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet   responded  that   the  department   had  strong                                                                    
partnerships with  tribal organizations,  particularly those                                                                    
participating  in  formal compacts.  Of  the  229 tribes  in                                                                    
Alaska,  170   were  involved   in  compacts.   The  ongoing                                                                    
discussions  and investments  had supported  a collaborative                                                                    
relationship  with the  tribes.  She noted  that the  tribes                                                                    
worked closely  with the department and  possessed the right                                                                    
of first refusal  in cases concerning child  welfare. When a                                                                    
tribe  declined to  assume responsibility  for  a case,  the                                                                    
department stepped in to offer  support. She emphasized that                                                                    
each case  required a tailored  approach and  the department                                                                    
worked diligently to respect tribal  decisions on whether to                                                                    
intervene. She described  the dynamic as a  unique and case-                                                                    
specific partnership.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:15:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  continued  to  slide 12.  She  stated  that  UGF                                                                    
authority  within  OCS was  composed  of  the general  fund,                                                                    
general  fund mental  health dollars,  and the  general fund                                                                    
match  sources.  She  explained  that  the  match  supported                                                                    
several  federal grant  programs, the  largest of  which was                                                                    
Title  IV-E  [of  the Social  Security  Act].  Other  grants                                                                    
included  the Social  Services  Block  Grant, the  Promoting                                                                    
Safe and  Stable Families grant, and  the Independent Living                                                                    
grant.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Sweet  clarified   that  additional   funding  sources                                                                    
categorized  as "other"  were  secured through  reimbursable                                                                    
service agreements (RSA). She  explained that the department                                                                    
maintained several  RSAs with DOH, which  included RSAs that                                                                    
funded support  for foster care  providers and  the Facility                                                                    
Attuned   Training   program,   which   aimed   to   improve                                                                    
relationships  between OCS  staff and  caregivers. She  also                                                                    
noted  that  there   was  an  RSA  with   the  court  system                                                                    
supporting  the Palmer  Families  and  Infants and  Toddlers                                                                    
Court.  There were  no  additional increases  in  the FY  26                                                                    
budget outside of technical salary adjustments.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  for  more  information about  the                                                                    
Title IV-E portion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet responded that Title  IV-E referred to funding for                                                                    
foster care, guardianship, and  adoption programs. She noted                                                                    
that the term "Title IV-E"  functioned much like the name of                                                                    
a grant program, similar in structure to Medicaid.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet  continued to slide  13. She reported that  for FY                                                                    
26, the department  projected a budget of  $41.6 million and                                                                    
a  total of  94  full-time positions.  She  shared that  the                                                                    
talent  acquisition  team  had been  operational  since  the                                                                    
previous year and had been  successful. She relayed that the                                                                    
department  had posted  83 job  requisitions, many  of which                                                                    
were  ongoing  recruitment   postings.  The  department  had                                                                    
reviewed  539 applications,  conducted  interviews with  425                                                                    
candidates,  and successfully  hired 73  new staff  members.                                                                    
The hiring  efforts included Protective  Service Specialists                                                                    
and  various  social  service  associates  within  OCS.  She                                                                    
explained that  prior to the implementation  of the program,                                                                    
the vacancy rate for these  job classes had been 34 percent,                                                                    
while the current vacancy rate had decreased to 27 percent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  relayed that  the  department  was committed  to                                                                    
using data to inform decisions  and it remained committed to                                                                    
the development  of "data  lakes" to  enable analytics-based                                                                    
decision-making.  She  explained  that  the  department  was                                                                    
partnering with  ImageSource on several  programs, including                                                                    
an automated  process designed to improve  efficiency in the                                                                    
talent  acquisition   system.  She  also   reported  ongoing                                                                    
collaboration  with   Smartsheet  to  develop   a  strategic                                                                    
project  management  and  spending plan.  In  addition,  the                                                                    
department    was   working    with   the    Department   of                                                                    
Transportation and Public Facilities  (DOT) to integrate its                                                                    
facility maintenance  needs into the  existing FacilityForce                                                                    
platform. The  department had also  successfully implemented                                                                    
an  electronic   health  record  system  for   APH  and  was                                                                    
continuing work on  a similar system for API. In  FY 25, the                                                                    
department   had   undergone  an   internal   administrative                                                                    
consolidation which  realigned lead administrative  staff in                                                                    
each division under the  Departmental Support Services (DSS)                                                                    
unit.  The  shift  was intended  to  improve  organizational                                                                    
alignment,  create   standard  procedures,   and  streamline                                                                    
administrative processes across the agency.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  continued  to  slide 14.  She  stated  that  the                                                                    
funding authority within DSS  remained unchanged, apart from                                                                    
technical  salary   adjustments.  She  explained   that  the                                                                    
department  utilized   both  a   direct  and   an  allocated                                                                    
chargeback   model   for   the  services   provided   across                                                                    
divisions.  Additionally,  she  noted  that  the  department                                                                    
received  AMHTA funding  under  the  Coordinated Health  and                                                                    
Complex  Care  component,  which  were  the  two  categories                                                                    
included  in  the  "other"   fund  source  designation.  The                                                                    
department   also   employed   a  public   assistance   cost                                                                    
allocation  plan through  which it  allocated costs  to both                                                                    
federal and general fund sources.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   thanked  the  presenters   and  looked                                                                    
forward  to  a  more  detailed  discussion  in  the  finance                                                                    
subcommittee.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:20:33 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:22:17 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson introduced the presentation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: AGENCY RESPONSES TO FY25 INTENT LANGUAGE                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:22:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
introduced the PowerPoint  presentation "Agency Responses to                                                                    
FY25  Legislative Intent  Language" dated  February 6,  2025                                                                    
(copy on  file). He began on  slide 2 and explained  that he                                                                    
would focus on a  selection of significant intent responses,                                                                    
rather than reviewing each one  in detail. He noted that the                                                                    
memo regarding  legislative intent  had been  distributed to                                                                    
legislators at the  beginning of the session  and included a                                                                    
comprehensive  list   for  those   who  wished   to  explore                                                                    
additional items.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to slide  3, which  included language                                                                    
from Ms.  Megan Wallace of Legislative  Legal Services (LLS)                                                                    
and was originally used during  a training session on budget                                                                    
amendments.  He explained  that  the legislature  frequently                                                                    
included intent  language in appropriation bills  to provide                                                                    
guidance  to  state  agencies. However,  such  language  was                                                                    
constrained by  the confinement clause  of the  Alaska State                                                                    
Constitution.  The Alaska  Supreme Court  set the  limits in                                                                    
Alaska  Legislative  Council  v.  Knowles.  He  read  a  key                                                                    
passage from  the ruling,  which was  included on  the slide                                                                    
(copy on file):                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The qualifying  language must be the  minimum necessary                                                                    
     to explain  the Legislature's intent regarding  how the                                                                    
     money appropriated  is to be  spent. It must  not enact                                                                    
     law or  amend existing law.  It must not  extend beyond                                                                    
     the life  of the  appropriation. Finally,  the language                                                                    
     must   be  germane,   that   is   appropriate,  to   an                                                                    
     appropriation bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  stressed that legislative intent  did not carry                                                                    
the force of law and  could be unconstitutional if it failed                                                                    
to meet  these standards. Each year,  the legislature passed                                                                    
a number  of intent items  that did not  meet constitutional                                                                    
requirements. In  such cases,  the administration  was under                                                                    
no legal  obligation to comply.  He clarified that  the memo                                                                    
and  intent   language  served  primarily  as   guidance  or                                                                    
requests to  departments, which  retained the  discretion to                                                                    
respond  or  not.  Nevertheless,  agencies  often  chose  to                                                                    
comply given the cooperative nature of the budget process.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:25:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asking  whether the  core legal  concern                                                                    
stemmed from  an encroachment  upon executive  privilege and                                                                    
jurisdiction,  as  defined  in   the  traditional  model  of                                                                    
separation of powers.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that it  was indeed one of the primary                                                                    
concerns.  He added  that another  major issue  involved the                                                                    
constitutional  requirement  that   appropriation  bills  be                                                                    
confined  strictly  to  appropriations. If  an  intent  item                                                                    
contradicted an existing statute  or attempted to impose new                                                                    
legal  requirements,   it  could  violate   the  confinement                                                                    
clause.  He emphasized  that if  the  legislature sought  to                                                                    
enact  such   changes,  it  should  do   so  through  formal                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to  slide 4  and explained  that many                                                                    
legislative intent  items included a request  or requirement                                                                    
for  follow-up from  state  agencies.  Often, agencies  were                                                                    
asked to complete  a task and submit a  report detailing the                                                                    
outcome. To  simplify tracking  and review,  the Legislative                                                                    
Finance Division  (LFD) had established  December 20  as the                                                                    
annual  due  date for  the  submissions.  He explained  that                                                                    
December 20  was chosen because  it followed the  release of                                                                    
the  governor's   budget  and  allowed  agencies   to  avoid                                                                    
revealing  budget  details  prematurely. The  deadline  also                                                                    
gave  the  Office  of  Management and  Budget  (OMB)  a  few                                                                    
additional days to complete  its own responsibilities during                                                                    
an already demanding period. He  noted that OMB compiled and                                                                    
submitted  agency responses  for  each intent  item to  LFD,                                                                    
which then  assessed whether agencies had  complied with the                                                                    
legislative intent,  then LFD prepared a  comprehensive memo                                                                    
that  included  all  responses  along  with  the  division's                                                                    
analysis. In cases where  agencies submitted longer reports,                                                                    
the  reports were  attached to  the memo  as appendices.  He                                                                    
noted  that   the  complete   memo  had   currently  reached                                                                    
approximately 100  pages, due in  part to  several extensive                                                                    
reports.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  relayed that  final memo had  been sent  to the                                                                    
co-chairs  of  the  House Finance  Committee  early  in  the                                                                    
legislative session. There was one  final item that had been                                                                    
due on  the first  day of  session and  the division  had to                                                                    
wait to  receive it before  completing the document.  The FY                                                                    
25 memo  included 50  intent items  from the  current fiscal                                                                    
year,  as well  as  five items  carried  over from  previous                                                                    
years.   He   clarified   that  while   state   constitution                                                                    
prohibited intent  language from  extending beyond  the life                                                                    
of the  appropriation, some items  were addressed  after the                                                                    
original deadlines for logistical  reasons. For example, the                                                                    
legislature   had  included   language  permitting   DOH  to                                                                    
transfer    funds    between   appropriations    with    the                                                                    
understanding that a report would  be submitted at the close                                                                    
of  the  fiscal  year  detailing the  transfers.  There  was                                                                    
uncertainty as to whether a  report would be submitted since                                                                    
FY 25  had not yet  concluded; however, DOH had  submitted a                                                                    
report  for FY  24 which  had been  included in  the current                                                                    
year's analysis.  There was often  a one-year  delay between                                                                    
the  directive and  the resulting  evaluation due  to timing                                                                    
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:28:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued on  slide  5,  which detailed  LFD's                                                                    
determinations of  agencies' compliance in the  FY 25 intent                                                                    
memo. He  reported that of  the 55 responses spanning  FY 24                                                                    
and FY 25, 33 had been  deemed compliant. He stated that six                                                                    
responses  were considered  non-compliant due  to vetoes  by                                                                    
the  governor, which  would be  addressed  on the  following                                                                    
slide.  He stated  that four  responses  were classified  as                                                                    
partially  compliant,  meaning   that  agencies  had  either                                                                    
attempted to comply  but had fallen short,  or had fulfilled                                                                    
only part of  a multi-part directive. There  were four items                                                                    
that could not  yet be evaluated due to  pending outcomes or                                                                    
delays in reporting and would  require future assessment. He                                                                    
reported that eight items  had been determined non-compliant                                                                    
for other reasons and all of  which would be discussed as he                                                                    
continued through the presentation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  commented  that  non-compliance  was  a                                                                    
privilege enjoyed by the agencies.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  advanced  to  slide   6,  which  detailed  six                                                                    
legislative  intent  items  that   had  been  rendered  non-                                                                    
compliant  due  to  vetoes.  He  clarified  that  while  the                                                                    
governor could  not directly veto  legislative intent  as it                                                                    
represented the will of the  legislature, the governor could                                                                    
veto the  associated appropriation item. In  such instances,                                                                    
agencies  were  unable  to   comply  because  the  necessary                                                                    
funding had been  eliminated, which was a  decision that was                                                                    
beyond  the   agencies'  control.  He  offered   an  example                                                                    
involving intent  language related to public  radio stations                                                                    
in  which  the funding  was  vetoed,  leaving no  basis  for                                                                    
compliance.  There   was  a   similar  situation   with  UGF                                                                    
designated  for  the   Alaska  Seafood  Marketing  Institute                                                                    
(ASMI), which was also vetoed and  ASMI was unable to act on                                                                    
the  legislative directive.  There had  also been  a partial                                                                    
veto  of   funding  intended  to  increase   general  relief                                                                    
temporary  assisted   living  rates.  Despite   the  reduced                                                                    
funding, the  rates were increased  to the  extent possible,                                                                    
though  not  to  the  level   originally  specified  by  the                                                                    
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  explained  that  another  example  within  DOH                                                                    
concerned  the reimbursement  of  pharmacies for  dispensing                                                                    
specific  medications in  locking bottles.  The funding  was                                                                    
vetoed, and the  department did not comply.  He relayed that                                                                    
there were two further items  from DOT: one involving hiring                                                                    
incentives for certain positions,  and another regarding the                                                                    
collection  of fees  from the  Manh Cho  Mining Project  for                                                                    
highway maintenance. In both cases,  the related funding had                                                                    
been  vetoed. He  explained  that all  six  examples on  the                                                                    
slides were  instances of non-compliance,  but were  all due                                                                    
to funding that had been vetoed by the governor.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson commented  that  the last  two items  on                                                                    
slide 6  appeared substantively  different from  the others.                                                                    
Specifically,  the item  concerning the  collection of  fees                                                                    
from the Manh Cho Mining  Project seemed to fall outside the                                                                    
proper   scope  of   legislative  intent.   He  noted   that                                                                    
establishing  such  a  fee would  likely  require  statutory                                                                    
authority   and  corresponding   administrative  regulation,                                                                    
rather than a mere request via budget language.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that  the legislature had appropriated                                                                    
$8 million in  receipt authority and had  requested that the                                                                    
department  enter   into  an  agreement  with   the  project                                                                    
operator. He  explained that the  receipts in  question were                                                                    
designated  program  receipts,   not  general  fund  program                                                                    
receipts,  and therefore  required  a contractual  agreement                                                                    
rather than  unilateral action.  The legislative  intent was                                                                    
for the  department to  negotiate a  fee structure  with the                                                                    
operator; however, since the $8  million in program receipts                                                                    
had  been   vetoed,  the  department  did   not  pursue  the                                                                    
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson agreed  that there  was a  clear linkage                                                                    
between the  vetoed funding  and the  department's inability                                                                    
to act.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:31:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  on  slide 7  and  stated  that  the                                                                    
remainder of the presentation would  focus on a selection of                                                                    
the  most significant  legislative  intent  items. He  began                                                                    
with  an  item related  to  the  Alaska Gasline  Development                                                                    
Corporation (AGDC).  He explained  that the  legislature had                                                                    
included language in the prior  year's budget directing AGDC                                                                    
to complete an independent,  third-party review of a project                                                                    
proposal and to present the  findings to the legislature. He                                                                    
relayed that  AGDC contracted with  the firm  Wood Mackenzie                                                                    
and submitted the  completed report in November  of 2024. He                                                                    
added that  AGDC and  Wood Mackenzie  subsequently presented                                                                    
their findings to the House  Resources Committee on November                                                                    
19, 2024, just one week after the report's submission.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  elaborated that the analysis  conducted by Wood                                                                    
Mackenzie  included  four  demand  scenarios,  ranging  from                                                                    
current  in-state demand  to a  full  liquefied natural  gas                                                                    
(LNG) facility  designed to export gas  internationally. The                                                                    
report  also   examined  the   impact  of   various  pricing                                                                    
variables, such  as a federal  loan guarantee  and differing                                                                    
property  tax structures.  He stated  that the  analysis was                                                                    
included  in   the  legislative   intent  memo.   Given  the                                                                    
submission  and presentation  of  the report,  the item  was                                                                    
deemed compliant.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Stapp    asked   whether    appropriations                                                                    
functioned  differently  for   state-owned  enterprises  and                                                                    
executive  departments.   He  recalled  that  there   was  a                                                                    
reduction  in AGDC's  salary  line  appropriation and  noted                                                                    
that the  corporation had chosen  to apply the  reduction to                                                                    
its  commodities  line  instead.   He  whether  such  budget                                                                    
flexibility was unique to state-owned enterprises.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that under the  Executive Budget Act,                                                                    
specific  line  items  were   designated  to  the  executive                                                                    
branch.  He explained  that when  data was  transmitted from                                                                    
the  legislature to  OMB, the  funding that  belonged within                                                                    
each  line item  was clearly  delineated. He  noted that  50                                                                    
years ago, line  items were included directly  in the budget                                                                    
bills  and were  binding. Since  that time,  line item  data                                                                    
served primarily  as a signal  of legislative  intent rather                                                                    
than a  legally binding requirement.  Therefore, departments                                                                    
were legally permitted to adjust funding across line items.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked whether  "line items"  referred to                                                                    
allocations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  clarified that he  was referring  to categories                                                                    
such  as  personal  services, travel,  and  commodities.  He                                                                    
explained that departments  were constitutionally prohibited                                                                    
from  moving funds  between appropriations,  but departments                                                                    
could  move  funds  between   allocations  within  a  single                                                                    
appropriation or across line items within each allocation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:35:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked if the  legislature appropriated                                                                    
funds   specifically  for   employee   bonuses,  could   the                                                                    
department reallocate  the funding to travel  or commodities                                                                    
instead.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded in the  affirmative. He commented that                                                                    
the  budget was  an iterative  process that  was built  upon                                                                    
every year.  Although the executive branch  had considerable                                                                    
power,  it   was  ultimately  required  to   return  to  the                                                                    
legislature   for  appropriations   in  future   years.  The                                                                    
recurring  process  served  as the  legislature's  strongest                                                                    
enforcement  mechanism for  ensuring its  funding priorities                                                                    
were respected.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  relayed  that he  had  a  bonus-related                                                                    
provision that  had been paired  with HB 226 [passed  by the                                                                    
thirty-second legislature in 2022],  which aimed to overhaul                                                                    
compensation  structures  for  exempt and  partially  exempt                                                                    
employees. He  asked whether there  was an  effective method                                                                    
for the  legislature to include  bonuses in the budget  in a                                                                    
way that would ensure they were honored.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that the issue was a  complex one. He                                                                    
explained that the legislature  could not directly interfere                                                                    
with  collective bargaining  agreements,  and any  directive                                                                    
requiring  the executive  branch to  negotiate bonuses  with                                                                    
unionized  employees  could  potentially  result  in  unfair                                                                    
labor practice  complaints. However, he thought  that HB 226                                                                    
would  be  an effective  way  to  ensure that  bonuses  were                                                                    
honored for exempt employees. He  emphasized that bonuses or                                                                    
any other  pay-related provisions  could not  necessarily be                                                                    
implemented through the budget  process. If the compensation                                                                    
structure  was   governed  by  statute  or   included  in  a                                                                    
collective   bargaining  agreement,   it  was   outside  the                                                                    
legislature's authority to  alter it through appropriations.                                                                    
He  explained  that  bonuses   could  potentially  be  added                                                                    
through  a  letter of  agreement  if  the bonuses  were  not                                                                    
already part of  a union contract, which was  a mechanism to                                                                    
amend the existing contract with a special provision.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  remarked  that  AGDC  existed  in  a                                                                    
unique  statutory position.  She  asked  whether setting  of                                                                    
salaries and  wages within the corporation  was entirely the                                                                    
responsibility  of  the board  of  directors  or if  it  was                                                                    
governed by  statute, as in  the case of  commissioners. She                                                                    
recalled that  there was a  past situation in which  API had                                                                    
obtained  a   waiver  to  offer   supplemental  compensation                                                                    
because  it  was  unable   to  recruit  psychiatrists  under                                                                    
standard  pay  schedules.  She   noted  that  the  executive                                                                    
position   within  AGDC   was  a   singular  role   and  had                                                                    
consistently  been  the  highest paid  state  position.  She                                                                    
asked who  had the authority  to set  the salary and  how it                                                                    
was determined.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:38:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that the  AGDC board  was responsible                                                                    
for  setting  the salary.  He  added  that the  process  was                                                                    
consistent   with  the   structure  used   by  other   state                                                                    
corporations. He  shared that Alaska  Industrial Development                                                                    
and Export Authority (AIDEA) and  the Alaska Housing Finance                                                                    
Corporation (AHFC)  both chose  to adopt the  same increases                                                                    
for  their  employees. He  explained  that  the boards  were                                                                    
required to take  formal action to apply  such increases and                                                                    
that these  adjustments were not  automatically implemented.                                                                    
He  relayed that  AHFC had  few employees  and the  salaries                                                                    
were set by the board.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked  if the board would  have had to                                                                    
formally approve  a reallocation of  funds in the case  of a                                                                    
legislative  reduction to  AGDC's personal  services budget,                                                                    
or  whether  the  corporation was  authorized  to  make  the                                                                    
adjustments  independently.   She  questioned   whether  the                                                                    
movement of  funds had occurred  in defiance  of legislative                                                                    
intent.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that there  was  no intent  language                                                                    
regarding where the reduction was  located, but the personal                                                                    
services  line  item had  been  reduced.  He explained  that                                                                    
agencies were allowed to  reallocate reductions or increases                                                                    
across  different budget  categories. He  noted that  it was                                                                    
common  for agencies  to redistribute  legislative additions                                                                    
and reductions among  line items. He was  not fully familiar                                                                    
with the internal procedures of  AGDC and was unsure whether                                                                    
such reallocations  were executed  solely at  the discretion                                                                    
of the  board or  also by the  chief executive.  He remarked                                                                    
that  LFD  had  defined  statutory  authority  over  similar                                                                    
matters  and suggested  that AGDC  likely  operated under  a                                                                    
comparable  framework. However,  he  acknowledged that  AGDC                                                                    
might have specific statutory  provisions that governed such                                                                    
processes,  and  he  did  not   feel  confident  offering  a                                                                    
definitive explanation without further examination.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson thought  that  the  reduction to  AGDC's                                                                    
personal  services budget,  as written  by the  legislature,                                                                    
appeared ambiguous.  He suggested  that the action  may have                                                                    
been motivated  by a lack  of confidence in the  agency, but                                                                    
the reduction  did not include specific  language addressing                                                                    
salary schedules.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that  legislature had clearly intended                                                                    
to  reduce  personal  services funding,  but  AGDC  was  not                                                                    
legally required to adhere to the direction.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Stapp  understood   that  the   legislature                                                                    
effectively provided  a lump sum  of money to  entities such                                                                    
as AGDC  or AHFC and the  funds were handed off  with little                                                                    
legislative control unless  otherwise restricted in statute.                                                                    
He  described  the process  as  "tossing  the money  over  a                                                                    
fence."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter   responded    that   Representative   Stapp's                                                                    
characterization  was broadly  accurate.  He explained  that                                                                    
when  the legislature  appropriated  funding  to an  agency,                                                                    
whether  a  department  or  a  state-owned  enterprise,  the                                                                    
agency could expend  the funds within the  boundaries of its                                                                    
statutory authority  and for the  purposes described  in the                                                                    
name of the  appropriation. For example, if the  name of the                                                                    
appropriation  was  AGDC,  the  funds  could  be  spent  for                                                                    
purposes  that fell  within the  scope  of AGDC's  statutory                                                                    
authority. He  explained that  the legislature  could convey                                                                    
additional expectations  through the titles  of transactions                                                                    
and  specific  line  items,   and  that  agencies  generally                                                                    
attempted to  comply with expectations.  However, compliance                                                                    
was not  mandatory beyond the  actual language  contained in                                                                    
the appropriations bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:43:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  moved to slide  8 which addressed  three nearly                                                                    
identical  legislative intent  items, each  pertaining to  a                                                                    
different  group   of  employees  but  sharing   the  common                                                                    
objective  of  addressing  the  criminal  case  backlog.  He                                                                    
stated  that the  backlog  had  received significant  public                                                                    
attention  and he  would not  delve  deeply into  background                                                                    
details.  He explained  that the  intent  language had  been                                                                    
included in three  areas of the FY 25 budget.  The first was                                                                    
under Legal  and Advocacy Services within  the Department of                                                                    
Administration (DOA), which  encompassed the Public Defender                                                                    
Agency (PDA)  and the Office  of Public Advocacy  (OPA). The                                                                    
second  was within  the Department  of Law's  (DOL) Criminal                                                                    
Division, and  the third was  in the Trial  Courts component                                                                    
under the Judicial branch.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  relayed that PDA  had outlined  several efforts                                                                    
in response  to the  directive, including  enhanced training                                                                    
and mentorship  programs that  emphasized the  importance of                                                                    
resolving  cases in  a timely  manner. The  agency had  also                                                                    
prioritized recruitment  efforts, recognizing  that turnover                                                                    
among  defense   attorneys  often   caused  delays   as  new                                                                    
attorneys   needed  time   to  reacquaint   themselves  with                                                                    
existing  cases.  Retaining  a  more  stable  workforce  was                                                                    
viewed as a critical step in managing the backlog.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter explained that the  Judiciary's Trial Courts had                                                                    
provided   a   detailed   response   highlighting   specific                                                                    
procedural   reforms,   including  a   "trailing   calendar"                                                                    
approach. The scheduling  strategy involved setting multiple                                                                    
trials  to begin  on the  same day,  with the  understanding                                                                    
that  delays  often occurred  at  the  start of  trials.  By                                                                    
planning  for   multiple  trials   on  the  same   day,  the                                                                    
likelihood  that at  least one  would proceed  was increased                                                                    
and  court time  would  be minimized.  There  had also  been                                                                    
efforts  to  reduce  unnecessary  status  hearings  and  had                                                                    
issued directives  limiting both the duration  and frequency                                                                    
of  continuances granted  in criminal  cases. He  noted that                                                                    
DOL had acknowledged ongoing efforts  to address the backlog                                                                    
but it had  not provided the same level of  detail as PDA in                                                                    
describing the improvement activities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued  to slide 9 and  detailed Medicaid and                                                                    
fire suppression  projections. He explained that  the effort                                                                    
to enhance  Medicaid forecasting accuracy had  been underway                                                                    
for nearly a decade and  was aimed at increasing legislative                                                                    
understanding    of    projected   costs    and    improving                                                                    
communication  between branches  of  government. He  relayed                                                                    
that  DOH utilized  a highly  complex  spreadsheet model  to                                                                    
generate Medicaid  projections. While  the model  itself was                                                                    
robust, the length and intricacy  of the spreadsheet made it                                                                    
difficult to  interpret and  communicate to  legislators. He                                                                    
shared that  two years  ago, LFD  had collaborated  with DOH                                                                    
and  OMB to  develop a  more transparent  and comprehensible                                                                    
projection  method.  The  projection model  was  built  from                                                                    
actual  claims and  adjusted for  policy  changes and  other                                                                    
expected costs  like rate  changes. The  model distinguished                                                                    
between policy-driven decisions  and external factors beyond                                                                    
the state's control, such as federal mandates.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter relayed  the most  recent  projection had  been                                                                    
received  on  December 15,  2024.  Due  to the  timing,  the                                                                    
results  of the  model had  not been  incorporated into  the                                                                    
governor's budget  on December  15, but it  was incorporated                                                                    
into  the   governor's  amended  budget  on   the  thirtieth                                                                    
legislative day.  The most recent projection  indicated that                                                                    
a  supplemental appropriation  would be  required for  FY 25                                                                    
and that  additional UGF funding  and federal  funding would                                                                    
likely be necessary  for FY 26. The day  after DOH completed                                                                    
its Medicaid  projection model, the department  informed LFD                                                                    
that  it  received  an additional  rate  increase  from  the                                                                    
federal  government. He  noted that  the federal  government                                                                    
controlled the  Indian Health Service (IHS)  rates that were                                                                    
charged for  tribal health facilities. The  new increase had                                                                    
been in the  double digits and came too late  to be included                                                                    
in  the December  15  budget. As  a  result, the  governor's                                                                    
supplemental budget was  based on data that  did not account                                                                    
for  the   updated  IHS  rates.   He  stated   that  further                                                                    
adjustments would  likely be necessary  to reflect  the rate                                                                    
change accurately.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  noted  that  according   to  the  December  15                                                                    
projections,  the total  additional  UGF cost  would be  $14                                                                    
million  for FY  25 and  $19 million  for FY  26. The  state                                                                    
still needed  over $200  million more  in federal  funds for                                                                    
both FY 25 and FY 26  even with the $300 million increase in                                                                    
federal authority  for Medicaid  enacted the  previous year.                                                                    
He  attributed  the increase  primarily  to  the rising  IHS                                                                    
rates charged  by tribal providers. There  were general fund                                                                    
increases  because IHS  could also  serve non-Alaska  Native                                                                    
populations.  When  non-tribal  residents accessed  care  at                                                                    
tribal  health facilities,  the state  paid a  share of  the                                                                    
cost   using  the   same   IHS   rates.  The   accessibility                                                                    
contributed to the need for  additional general funds, since                                                                    
Medicaid-covered services  for non-tribal residents  did not                                                                    
qualify  for  the 100  percent  federal  match for  services                                                                    
provided to tribal members.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:49:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson understood  that there  was a  clinic in                                                                    
downtown  Juneau  that  was  operated  by  a  tribal  health                                                                    
organization. He  asked for clarification about  whether the                                                                    
state received  a more favorable  federal match when  a non-                                                                    
Indigenous, Medicaid-eligible resident visited that clinic.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that the  match  percentage did  not                                                                    
change, but the rate structure  would change. If the patient                                                                    
was a tribal member, the visit  would be fully funded by the                                                                    
federal  government  under the  IHS  rate.  However, if  the                                                                    
patient  was  a Medicaid  recipient  who  was not  a  tribal                                                                    
member,  the   federal-state  match  would  remain   at  the                                                                    
standard percentage, which was  typically between 50 percent                                                                    
and 90 percent.  He explained that the IHS  rate would still                                                                    
apply and the total cost would potentially increase.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  remarked  that the  situation  seemed                                                                    
like  a  "runaway  time  bomb"   for  the  state's  Medicaid                                                                    
liability.  He  understood  that rates  could  be  increased                                                                    
externally  by tribal  providers without  the state's  input                                                                    
and  still required  a state  match for  non-tribal Medicaid                                                                    
recipients.  He asked  how  predictable  the cost  increases                                                                    
were  and  what  portion  of the  state's  overall  Medicaid                                                                    
spending was currently impacted.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that he  did not have the information on                                                                    
hand but would provide it to the committee in a follow up.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  on  slide  9.  He  stated  that  in                                                                    
addition  to the  efforts around  Medicaid,  there had  also                                                                    
been similar  work related to fire  suppression budgets. The                                                                    
goal  in  both  cases  was  to  improve  visibility  of  the                                                                    
projections   to  increase   understanding  while   avoiding                                                                    
unpredictable  supplemental budget  requests. He  reiterated                                                                    
that  fire  suppression  budgeting  was  aimed  at  avoiding                                                                    
supplementals  and  improving  not  only  the  legislature's                                                                    
understanding but  also OMB's insight into  future needs. In                                                                    
the prior  year, a different  strategy had been  employed to                                                                    
portray  the projections.  The  latest  projection had  been                                                                    
received  on  January   19,  2025,  and  it   had  not  been                                                                    
incorporated   into  the   governor's  supplemental   budget                                                                    
received  earlier   in  the  week.   He  explained   that  a                                                                    
supplemental  would  likely  be  needed  based  on  the  new                                                                    
projection,  but OMB  was  not yet  fully  confident in  the                                                                    
data.  He  added  that  LFD also  had  questions  about  the                                                                    
projection. The work was still  in progress as the model was                                                                    
only in  its second year  of development. He noted  that OMB                                                                    
indicated  a  future amendment  would  likely  be needed  to                                                                    
incorporate updated projections.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  asked  whether the  expected  supplemental                                                                    
would  be requesting  a large  dollar amount  or just  a few                                                                    
million dollars more.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that the  amount would likely be under                                                                    
$10  million. He  emphasized that  the goal  was to  improve                                                                    
accuracy,  especially  for  the   spring  fire  season,  and                                                                    
reimbursements  from the  federal government  were always  a                                                                    
point-in-time estimate.  There was  a new  structural change                                                                    
that   placed   appropriations   directly  into   the   fire                                                                    
suppression  fund.  He  explained   that  the  change  meant                                                                    
unspent balances would remain in  the fund and could be used                                                                    
to  offset  future  supplementals. The  change  reduced  the                                                                    
consequences  of overestimating  as  any  surplus would  not                                                                    
lapse  to   the  general  fund  but   would  instead  remain                                                                    
available.  The newer  structure  helped mitigate  a bit  of                                                                    
risk by adding  a supplemental and then lapsing  it, but the                                                                    
amount  should be  relatively small  based  on a  relatively                                                                    
light fire season the previous year.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:54:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  thought that  a low snowpack  across the                                                                    
state could  predict a high  fire season. He asked  how fire                                                                    
suppression efforts would  be funded if the  fire season was                                                                    
high and fire suppression was underfunded.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  that  in   such  a  situation,  the                                                                    
governor  had  statutory  authority   to  issue  a  disaster                                                                    
declaration  and allow  the state  to continue  funding fire                                                                    
suppression efforts. The request  for reimbursement would be                                                                    
submitted to the legislature afterward.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked where the funds would come from.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that  the source  of  the funds  would                                                                    
depend  on  legislative  approval.  If  the  current  fiscal                                                                    
year's appropriation  was insufficient  and the  fiscal year                                                                    
closed  before the  legislature  reconvened, a  ratification                                                                    
would be required. If there  was a deficit, the ratification                                                                    
would  need  to be  funded  from  the Constitutional  Budget                                                                    
Reserve (CBR). If there was  a surplus, the funds could come                                                                    
from the general  fund. He noted that  the legislature might                                                                    
see  a  ratification  request  for   FY  24  as  the  amount                                                                    
appropriated appeared to  be a few million  dollars short of                                                                    
what was actually spent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked whether such a  ratification would                                                                    
be done through a bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that it  would typically  be included                                                                    
in the supplemental or operating budget bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:56:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  moved to slide  10 which detailed  eight intent                                                                    
items  for the  Department of  Corrections (DOC),  which was                                                                    
the most of  any agency. The first intent  item directed the                                                                    
department to work  with OMB and LFD to  develop a budgetary                                                                    
projection  model.  The  goal   was  to  improve  projection                                                                    
accuracy and avoid routine  supplementals. The second intent                                                                    
item required  the department to prepare  a report examining                                                                    
potential  cost   savings  that  would  come   from  closing                                                                    
institutions. He understood prisoner  capacity was around 84                                                                    
percent,  which   suggested  possible  excess   capacity  in                                                                    
savings  from  closing  institutions.   He  noted  that  the                                                                    
department's  response   to  the  capacity  item   would  be                                                                    
addressed on the following slide.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued that the  third item involved creating                                                                    
a plan  to increase institutional efficiency  and the fourth                                                                    
required  the  department  to  begin  monthly  reporting  on                                                                    
spending related to overtime and  premium pay. He noted that                                                                    
while DOC  had complied with the  reporting requirement, the                                                                    
data  presented did  not  align with  the  kind of  forward-                                                                    
looking  projection   models  used  by  Medicaid   and  fire                                                                    
suppression  programs.   Instead  of   incorporating  actual                                                                    
expenditures to date and adjusting  for known changes, DOC's                                                                    
model simply  highlighted budget variances  without offering                                                                    
improved   forecasting.  He   acknowledged   that  DOC   had                                                                    
experienced staffing challenges  for administrative services                                                                    
positions, which might have limited  its capacity to develop                                                                    
more  sophisticated   models  for  financial   analysis.  He                                                                    
suggested that  progress might be  possible in  future years                                                                    
with recent hires.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  noted that  DOC had  shared that  a significant                                                                    
portion of  facility beds remained unusable  due to deferred                                                                    
maintenance.  As a  result, usable  capacity was  much lower                                                                    
than  the reported  84  percent,  making consolidation  less                                                                    
straightforward than  it appeared.  He relayed that  DOC did                                                                    
not provide  the necessary data  or analysis. The  next item                                                                    
addressed billing  issues with the U.S.  Marshals, which had                                                                    
previously  covered costs  for  more  inmates. He  explained                                                                    
that DOC had  met with the Marshals but had  not yet reached                                                                    
an  agreement. The  governor's  current supplemental  budget                                                                    
did not  include a  funding request  for the  billing issue,                                                                    
though  it was  likely a  request would  be submitted  later                                                                    
once the necessary analysis was completed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to the  next intent  item encouraging                                                                    
the   department  to   expand   alternatives  to   community                                                                    
residential  centers   (CRCs),  sometimes  referred   to  as                                                                    
halfway  houses.  He  explained  that  DOC  appeared  to  be                                                                    
complying with the directive.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:01:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  on  slide 11.  There  was  a  pilot                                                                    
furlough  program in  Mat-Su for  residential substance  use                                                                    
disorder treatment  as a potential substitute  for CRC-based                                                                    
programming, which could lower  costs. Additionally, DOC was                                                                    
exploring   transitional  housing   options  in   Juneau  to                                                                    
potentially reduce  the number of individuals  housed in the                                                                    
local CRC.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked about  item 15  on slide  10 which                                                                    
involved notifying  the court  system about  lengthy periods                                                                    
of  electronic  monitoring.  He   asked  what  the  intended                                                                    
outcome of the notifications would be.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded that  the  goal  was to  prompt  the                                                                    
courts  to  resolve the  cases  more  quickly or  allow  for                                                                    
resolutions  such as  credit for  time served.  He explained                                                                    
that DOC responded that it  coordinated with the courts, but                                                                    
time spent  on electronic monitoring was  not always treated                                                                    
the same  as time served  in custody  and it did  not always                                                                    
lead   to   earlier   releases.  The   intent   behind   the                                                                    
notification   was  to   help   reduce   case  backlogs   by                                                                    
accelerating the legal resolution process.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  whether DOC  was using  actual                                                                    
expenditure  trends to  inform  future overtime  projections                                                                    
and whether it  was making adjustments based  on the trends.                                                                    
She  asked what  the potential  size of  future supplemental                                                                    
budget requests  was. She  noted that  the department  had a                                                                    
surprisingly  large  supplemental  request in  the  previous                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that there  was a  difference between                                                                    
how LFD  typically understood a budget  projection model and                                                                    
the way in  which DOC was currently  operating. He explained                                                                    
that in  an ideal model,  actual spending patterns,  such as                                                                    
current overtime  usage, would  be used to  forecast end-of-                                                                    
year  costs  and  adjust for  one-time  anomalies  or  known                                                                    
policy  changes. However,  DOC had  not taken  that approach                                                                    
and had instead  used the original budget as  a baseline. He                                                                    
explained  that  DOC  had  simply   noted  areas  where  the                                                                    
original budget was no longer  accurate, such as unaccounted                                                                    
standby  pay  and  unresolved issues  with  federal  mandate                                                                    
billing. There  was no incorporation of  actual expenditures                                                                    
into a forward-looking model.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter   noted  that  one   area  likely   to  require                                                                    
additional funding  through a  supplemental was  the federal                                                                    
mandate billing issue.  He estimated that the  cost could be                                                                    
similar to the $7.5 million  already included for FY 26. The                                                                    
second area  was related  to contracts  for CRCs.  The prior                                                                    
year's budget  was prepared while  the contracts  were still                                                                    
under   negotiation.  All   CRC  contracts   had  now   been                                                                    
renegotiated and the department  was still analyzing how the                                                                    
new terms would  affect the budget. He  believed the outcome                                                                    
would  not  require  a  supplemental as  large  as  the  $10                                                                    
million  increase that  had been  required  in the  previous                                                                    
year.   The  renegotiated   contracts   offered  more   cost                                                                    
certainty   and  better   alignment   with  actual   service                                                                    
utilization,  which could  possibly save  money. However,  a                                                                    
small  supplemental might  still be  necessary depending  on                                                                    
the final analysis.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  whether DOC  had complied  with                                                                    
the  intent item  instructing the  department  to conduct  a                                                                    
fiscal analysis  of closing  a correctional  institution. He                                                                    
understood that  the department had essentially  declined to                                                                    
do  so  and had  offered  no  supporting explanation  beyond                                                                    
suggesting that there would be no savings.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that the  department's response  was                                                                    
that it  did not believe  closing a facility  would generate                                                                    
savings and  it did not  provide an analysis to  justify the                                                                    
position.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked   whether  the  current  prison                                                                    
population was lower than it had been in the past.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  that  the  current  population  had                                                                    
remained fairly  stable in recent  years but was  lower than                                                                    
it had been a decade ago.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked whether the state  currently had                                                                    
more correctional facilities than it did a decade ago.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  confirmed that there  the number  of facilities                                                                    
had increased. He noted that  the Palmer Correctional Center                                                                    
had  been  reopened  in   anticipation  of  rising  prisoner                                                                    
numbers, but the rise ultimately did not occur.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp   understood  that  there   were  more                                                                    
prisons and  fewer people  in the  prisons, but  the prisons                                                                    
could not be closed for "no reason."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that the  department had  said there                                                                    
were maintenance issues at many  of the prisons. If a prison                                                                    
was closed,  the maintenance funding and  prisoners could be                                                                    
reallocated,  but  DOC  had  not   provided  a  full  fiscal                                                                    
analysis and pertinent information was not available.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:08:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan noted  that  there  had been  similar                                                                    
discussions in  the DOC finance subcommittee.  She explained                                                                    
that  the reopening  of the  Palmer Correctional  Center had                                                                    
occurred  just before  the onset  of the  COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                    
The pandemic  had then stalled  movement within  the system,                                                                    
causing  backlogs in  court  cases  and effectively  locking                                                                    
populations in  place. She explained that  most correctional                                                                    
facilities were either designated  for pretrial detainees or                                                                    
sentenced  inmates, which  limited  the  state's ability  to                                                                    
shift prisoners  among available  beds. She  emphasized that                                                                    
the  challenge was  not  simply about  the  number of  empty                                                                    
beds,  but   about  matching  inmates  to   the  appropriate                                                                    
facility  based  on  gender, sentence  status,  and  custody                                                                    
level. For example, a pre-sentence  female inmate might only                                                                    
be able to be housed in  a single facility because she could                                                                    
not be mixed  with sentenced female inmates.  In Juneau, the                                                                    
combined facility  housed all genders and  both pretrial and                                                                    
sentenced inmates.  The facility had recently  experienced a                                                                    
structural  failure  that  forced   the  relocation  of  the                                                                    
inmates which further  limited flexibility. She acknowledged                                                                    
that  from  the  legislative perspective,  the  solution  of                                                                    
closing  facilities  seemed   obvious,  but  the  logistical                                                                    
reality was more  complex. She asked if Alaska  was the only                                                                    
state being  affected by federal manday  billings because it                                                                    
did not have any federal correctional facilities.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that  he was unsure  if Alaska  was the                                                                    
only state  dealing with  the issue,  but he  confirmed that                                                                    
Alaska  was certainly  unique in  how  far it  was from  the                                                                    
nearest  federal prison.  He noted  that while  other states                                                                    
might not  have federal facilities either,  the other states                                                                    
were  typically  close  enough   to  one  that  transporting                                                                    
prisoners   overland  was   feasible.   In  Alaska's   case,                                                                    
transporting inmates to federal  facilities meant flying the                                                                    
inmates to Washington  and back, which would  make the issue                                                                    
much more costly and logistically challenging.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  whether  the  manday  billing                                                                    
issue only arose when inmates  faced joint state and federal                                                                    
charges.  She  offered   an  example  involving  cooperation                                                                    
between  the  FBI and  ICE  and  asked whether  the  federal                                                                    
government  covered  the  cost when  inmates  were  entirely                                                                    
under federal hold.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  in  the  affirmative.  The  federal                                                                    
government  paid  when  inmates   were  detained  solely  on                                                                    
federal  charges. The  mandate  billing  issue emerged  only                                                                    
when   charges  were   mixed  between   state  and   federal                                                                    
jurisdictions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:11:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  on  slide  12  which  detailed  the                                                                    
statewide  salary study.  He explained  that in  FY 24,  the                                                                    
legislature  had  appropriated  $1  million  for  a  capital                                                                    
project  to  study all  executive  branch  job classes.  The                                                                    
purpose  was   to  identify  and  address   pay  disparities                                                                    
compared to  similar private-sector roles within  the state.                                                                    
He noted  that the last  salary study had been  conducted in                                                                    
2009 but was  never implemented. He relayed  that two intent                                                                    
items  had  been tied  to  the  capital project:  the  first                                                                    
directed  that compensation  be aligned  to the  sixty-fifth                                                                    
percentile  to improve  recruitment and  retention, and  the                                                                    
second required  that the study include  total compensation,                                                                    
which  meant  that benefits  would  be  considered as  well.                                                                    
Additionally, the FY 25 operating  budget included an intent                                                                    
item directing the  Office of the Governor  to implement the                                                                    
result of the study and  report on implementation efforts by                                                                    
December  20,  2024.  At  the  time,  the  report  had  been                                                                    
expected to  be completed  by June of  2024. The  report had                                                                    
still not been submitted and it  was not known when it would                                                                    
be submitted.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin was  concerned  about the  timeliness                                                                    
and  usefulness  of the  salary  study.  She understood  the                                                                    
reasoning  behind  funding  the  study and  thought  it  was                                                                    
important; however,  she questioned  whether the  data being                                                                    
collected  would still  be relevant  by the  time it  became                                                                    
available.  She asked  whether the  delay  might render  the                                                                    
findings outdated  given the evolving nature  of the economy                                                                    
and recent economic changes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter  responded   that  he   shared  Representative                                                                    
Galvin's   concerns.   He   explained   that   the   current                                                                    
expectation was  that the  study would  be delivered  at the                                                                    
end of March of 2025,  which coincided with the deadline for                                                                    
bargaining   agreements  on   the   sixtieth   day  of   the                                                                    
legislative  session. The  overlap  meant  that many  unions                                                                    
might  be negotiating  contracts before  the results  of the                                                                    
study  were available.  Once the  agreements  were made  and                                                                    
presented to  the legislature, the  salary study  would also                                                                    
be  released,  creating  a complicated  scenario  where  the                                                                    
state  would  either ignore  the  study  or risk  having  to                                                                    
renegotiate  and revise  newly finalized  salary structures.                                                                    
The challenge  was ongoing and salary  levels and conditions                                                                    
would  always  be  shifting,  meaning  that  waiting  for  a                                                                    
perfect   moment  when   the  data   would  be   static  was                                                                    
unrealistic. He  acknowledged the tension in  timing but did                                                                    
not  think that  there was  an easy  solution. The  cycle of                                                                    
constant   change  meant   that  any   salary  study   would                                                                    
eventually become  slightly outdated, but it  could still be                                                                    
a valuable tool if used appropriately.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked whether inflation  metrics like                                                                    
the Consumer Price  Index (CPI) could be used  to update the                                                                    
data and  make it more  current. She asked  whether national                                                                    
or sector-specific  wage trends were stable  enough to allow                                                                    
the state to  extrapolate from older data  and still produce                                                                    
relevant  comparisons. She  stressed  that  if the  ultimate                                                                    
goal  was  to  benchmark  state  salaries  against  industry                                                                    
standards,  it  would  be  important  to  know  whether  the                                                                    
benchmarks  stayed  relatively  consistent  or  changed  too                                                                    
quickly to be reliable.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:15:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that  the study  could still  be useful                                                                    
even if  it was not entirely  up to date. He  explained that                                                                    
much of  the analysis  focused on structural  differences in                                                                    
pay  between public  and private  sectors,  such as  whether                                                                    
certain   roles   like   accountants   or   engineers   were                                                                    
systematically  underpaid compared  to their  private-sector                                                                    
counterparts.  He  emphasized  that   it  was  unlikely  for                                                                    
specific professions to experience  dramatic wage changes in                                                                    
a  short period  that would  render the  study obsolete.  He                                                                    
acknowledged  that the  administration  was concerned  about                                                                    
recent  wage increases  tied  to  new bargaining  agreements                                                                    
that went  into effect on  July 1, 2024, but  adjustments to                                                                    
account  for  those  changes were  already  being  made.  He                                                                    
remarked that  a deadline  had to be  chosen at  some point,                                                                    
and  it  was  important  to  make  the  deadline  clear  and                                                                    
transparent.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   understood  that  the  FY   24  intent                                                                    
language directed  the administration to align  wages to the                                                                    
sixty-fifth percentile and the  follow-up intent language in                                                                    
FY  25,   which  directed  implementation  of   the  study's                                                                    
results.   He  asked   whether   the   instruction  to   the                                                                    
administration  was   to  incorporate  the   salary  changes                                                                    
directly into  the FY 26  budget. For example, if  the study                                                                    
concluded  that a  position like  an OCS  social worker  was                                                                    
underpaid and  recommended raising the starting  salary from                                                                    
$45,000 to  $55,000, the intent language  suggested that the                                                                    
administration  should include  the  increases  in the  next                                                                    
operating budget.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  explained that the legislative  intent language                                                                    
from  the  previous  year  directed  the  administration  to                                                                    
incorporate  salary study  recommendations  into the  budget                                                                    
preparation  process.  The  instruction  was  not  to  begin                                                                    
implementing the  changes immediately,  but to build  a plan                                                                    
to  implement the  changes and  reflect the  changes in  the                                                                    
proposed  budget. The  legislature had  essentially given  a                                                                    
green  light to  start  moving  toward implementation,  even                                                                    
though the final study had not yet been released.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson commented  that  it seemed  like a  bold                                                                    
move as it  could potentially lead to  substantial growth in                                                                    
the budget.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  agreed and noted  that since the study  had not                                                                    
been  made   public,  the   legislature  had   committed  to                                                                    
supporting implementation without knowing  the full scope of                                                                    
the  cost.  However,  any actual  expenditures  would  still                                                                    
require appropriation  approval by  the legislature,  and it                                                                    
would still have  the chance to assess  the proposals before                                                                    
funding them.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:18:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum asked  whether the  legislative intent                                                                    
had addressed  situations where positions being  paid higher                                                                    
than   the   market   rates.   He   wondered   whether   the                                                                    
administration  was  expected  to  freeze  or  limit  future                                                                    
increases for the positions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that the  intent language  did not  go                                                                    
into that level of detail.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum  acknowledged   that  while   it  was                                                                    
unlikely that wages would be  cut, freezing future increases                                                                    
might be a  more plausible outcome in  cases where positions                                                                    
were found to be over market.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson noted  that  any changes  would also  be                                                                    
subject  to collective  bargaining agreements.  He asked  if                                                                    
his understanding was correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that when  a job  classification was                                                                    
downgraded   in  past   classification  studies,   incumbent                                                                    
employees typically did not  see salary reductions. Instead,                                                                    
employees might stay  in the same pay range  or receive step                                                                    
increases, even  if the overall  range for the  position had                                                                    
changed. He emphasized  again that no detailed  plan had yet                                                                    
been submitted and it remained  unclear how such cases would                                                                    
be handled.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum asked for  clarification that there was                                                                    
no specific intent to address the issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  confirmed that the intent  language included by                                                                    
the legislature  simply instructed  the executive  branch to                                                                    
develop  a plan  to implement  the salary  study's findings,                                                                    
but did not specify how to implement it.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:20:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter introduced slide 13,  which addressed two intent                                                                    
items related  to maintenance and operations  of state-owned                                                                    
buildings   and  vehicles.   In  the   FY  25   budget,  the                                                                    
legislature had  made structural changes aimed  at improving                                                                    
compliance with AS 37.07.020(e).  The statute was enacted in                                                                    
the  1990s  and  required that  maintenance  and  operations                                                                    
costs  be   separately  accounted  for  and   distinct  from                                                                    
programmatic expenses.  The purpose was to  prevent agencies                                                                    
from  cutting maintenance  funding  when  faced with  budget                                                                    
reductions,  which  would  avoid  long-term  degradation  of                                                                    
state assets.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter explained  that the  legislature  had not  made                                                                    
major  budget  shifts due  to  limited  visibility into  the                                                                    
executive   branch's  internal   accounting.  Instead,   the                                                                    
legislature  had  renamed  existing  allocations  and  added                                                                    
intent language directing the  governor's office to continue                                                                    
the process  and align  the FY 26  budget more  closely with                                                                    
the statutory requirements. He noted  that most agencies had                                                                    
followed    through   and    restructured   their    budgets                                                                    
accordingly. While a few had  not yet completed the changes,                                                                    
the  overall  response  had  been  a  good-faith  effort  to                                                                    
improve adherence to the statute.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter added  that there  was a  separate intent  item                                                                    
requesting a  report on operating and  maintenance costs for                                                                    
all   state-owned  assets,   including  vehicles,   vessels,                                                                    
aircraft,  and heavy  equipment that  were not  part of  the                                                                    
State Equipment Fleet unit. He  explained that most vehicles                                                                    
owned  by  state agencies  were  managed  through the  State                                                                    
Equipment Fleet  which was  operated by  DOT. He  noted that                                                                    
agencies paid the  department a rate intended  to cover both                                                                    
maintenance  and replacement,  but the  arrangement did  not                                                                    
extend  to all  equipment. Many  assets, including  vessels,                                                                    
aircraft,  and snow  machines, fell  outside  the fleet  and                                                                    
were managed  directly by individual agencies.  He indicated                                                                    
that the  legislature had expressed concern  in the previous                                                                    
year  that  maintenance  for   non-fleet  assets  was  being                                                                    
underfunded.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  stated that  OMB had  acknowledged deficiencies                                                                    
in  tracking  maintenance  spending   for  these  items.  In                                                                    
response,  OMB had  implemented  a new  object  code in  the                                                                    
accounting system to allow  improved tracking going forward,                                                                    
which began on  January 1, 2025. He explained  that it would                                                                    
provide  more accurate  data in  the future.  The governor's                                                                    
proposed  budget  included  additional  funding  in  several                                                                    
areas  for the  maintenance of  vehicles outside  the fleet,                                                                    
such as vessels and aircrafts.  He suggested the addition of                                                                    
the funding reflected a recognition  by the executive branch                                                                    
that more support was needed for the assets.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:24:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter advanced  to slide 14 which  detailed the Alaska                                                                    
Permanent  Fund Corporation's  (APFC)  Anchorage office.  He                                                                    
explained   that   the   legislature  had   restricted   the                                                                    
corporation's   office   expenditures    by   renaming   the                                                                    
appropriation  to  refer solely  to  the  Juneau office  and                                                                    
allocating  only   $100  for  the  Anchorage   location.  He                                                                    
highlighted that there was intent  language directed by APFC                                                                    
not  to  establish  or maintain  any  new  office  locations                                                                    
without   corresponding    budget   increments,    and   all                                                                    
expenditures related  to the Anchorage office  were required                                                                    
to be reported  to the legislature. The  governor vetoed the                                                                    
Anchorage  office  funding  but  APFC's  Board  of  Trustees                                                                    
decided  to  keep  the  office  open.  He  noted  that  APFC                                                                    
reported increased FY 25 expenditures  such as travel to the                                                                    
Juneau office  and equipment  purchases. He  reiterated that                                                                    
the  corporation did  not follow  the legislative  intent to                                                                    
close the office.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson understood  that  the  governor and  the                                                                    
legislature  were  aligned  on   the  issue  and  that  APFC                                                                    
disregarded the intent of both branches.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that he could not speak  on behalf of                                                                    
the governor. He  explained that the governor's  veto of the                                                                    
$100   appropriation   was   intended  to   facilitate   the                                                                    
decommissioning of  the Anchorage office and  the governor's                                                                    
intent was unclear. He reiterated  that the decision to keep                                                                    
the office open was made by the board itself.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson remarked that  the governor's veto of the                                                                    
funds could  be interpreted  as support for  maintaining the                                                                    
Anchorage office.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that it was similar  to DOL's "Janus"                                                                    
agreement,  in  which  the governor  vetoed  the  contract's                                                                    
funding  but  left  the  general   structure  in  place.  He                                                                    
indicated the  two scenarios  were similar,  but he  did not                                                                    
want to deviate from the main conversation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued to  slide  15  which detailed  items                                                                    
outside  an agency's  control. There  were situations  where                                                                    
intent language  required agencies  to perform  actions that                                                                    
were ultimately  the responsibility  of the governor  or the                                                                    
legislature. He explained that  while agencies could develop                                                                    
plans, they  did not have  the authority to fund  the plans.                                                                    
For example, in  FY 24, the legislature  requested that DFCS                                                                    
submit a plan  and timeline for renovating  or replacing the                                                                    
Fairbanks   Pioneer  Home.   The  department   complied  and                                                                    
provided  cost estimates.  In FY  25, the  legislature asked                                                                    
the department  for a  plan to pay  for the  renovation, but                                                                    
such  funding decisions  rested  with the  governor and  the                                                                    
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  provided a second example  also involving DFCS.                                                                    
He explained  that the federal  government had  notified the                                                                    
state that  the Online Resource  for the Children  of Alaska                                                                    
(ORCA) system needed  to be upgraded to  comply with federal                                                                    
standards. In  FY 24,  the department  developed a  plan and                                                                    
estimated  the cost  to be  $52 million,  with approximately                                                                    
half  to  be  funded  by  UGF. In  FY  25,  the  legislature                                                                    
requested  a  funding  plan,  but  the  governor's  proposed                                                                    
budget  did   not  include  funding  for   the  project.  He                                                                    
reiterated  that decisions  about funding  were outside  the                                                                    
department's control, and that  the agency had fulfilled its                                                                    
responsibilities  in  providing   the  necessary  plans  and                                                                    
estimates. The  department had indicated  it was  working to                                                                    
develop a phased strategy in  case full funding could not be                                                                    
secured at  once, but  the approach  was time  consuming and                                                                    
was not ready for inclusion in the current year's budget.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  explained that  the  final  item was  for  the                                                                    
Department of Public Safety (DPS)  and concerned funding for                                                                    
child advocacy centers  in the FY 26 budget.  He shared that                                                                    
no additional funding for the  centers was included in DPS's                                                                    
budget nor  was there funding allocated  through DFCS, which                                                                    
was   another  appropriate   agency.   He  emphasized   that                                                                    
decisions regarding  which projects received  funding rested                                                                    
with  the  governor  and  the   legislature,  not  with  the                                                                    
agencies themselves.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:28:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  if Mr.  Painter knew  the                                                                    
cost estimate for replacing the Fairbanks Pioneer Home.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that there  had been two options under                                                                    
consideration. One  option involved renovation,  which would                                                                    
have required  relocating residents during  construction. He                                                                    
relayed he  did not recall  the cost of that  option, though                                                                    
he  believed  it was  the  more  expensive  of the  two.  He                                                                    
relayed that  the replacement option  had an  estimated cost                                                                    
of $115 million and was the cheaper option.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski  asked   for  confirmation  that                                                                    
replacement was the less expensive option.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  in  the  affirmative. He  elaborated                                                                    
that attempting to renovate the  facility while keeping part                                                                    
of  it   operational  would  extend  the   project  timeline                                                                    
significantly.  The  department   estimated  it  would  take                                                                    
approximately a  decade to fully  renovate the  facility and                                                                    
that  constant relocation  of residents  during the  process                                                                    
would substantially increase overall costs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  thanked  Mr. Painter  and  thought  the                                                                    
presentation was useful.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB  53  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  55  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson reviewed  the agenda  for the  following                                                                    
day's meeting.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DFCS Budget Overview HFIN 2.6.25.pdf HFIN 2/6/2025 1:30:00 PM
hb53,hb55
FY25 Legislative Intent Responses 2-6-25.pdf HFIN 2/6/2025 1:30:00 PM
hb53,hb55
Response to Q LFD Leg Intent 020625 DOH Log 13075 Response.pdf HFIN 2/6/2025 1:30:00 PM