Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 120

03/30/2005 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY


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HB 54 - BAIL REVIEW                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON  announced  that   the  first  order  of                                                               
business would  be HOUSE BILL  NO. 54,  "An Act relating  to bail                                                               
review."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  moved to  adopt the  proposed committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB  54,  Version  24-LS0271\Y,  Luckhaupt,                                                               
3/21/05, as the work draft.   There being no objection, Version Y                                                               
was before the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:25:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA  NIELSEN,  Staff  to Representative  Ralph  Samuels,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  presented HB  54 on behalf  of Representative                                                               
Samuels, one of the bill's prime  sponsors.  She pointed out that                                                               
HB 54, Version Y,  has two parts,  and that  the first part deals                                                               
with bail review hearings.  She explained:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Right now  a defendant  may be  granted a  bail hearing                                                                    
     every 24  hours without  limitation. ...  A lot  of the                                                                    
     defendants  take  advantage  of  that  24-hour  hearing                                                                    
     period and  they use it  to get out  of jail, to  go to                                                                    
     court,  and the  [District Attorney]  has to  drop what                                                                    
     they're doing.   And the  victim has  a right to  be at                                                                    
     the hearing, so  they drop what they're  doing, and ...                                                                    
     it brings forth  many logistical problems.   So to help                                                                    
     limit  the abuse  ... of  that,  HB 54  proposes to  do                                                                    
     three  things.   The  first is  that  the accused  must                                                                    
     submit  in writing  that there  exists new  information                                                                    
     for  the court's  consideration that  wasn't considered                                                                    
     at  a trial  bail  hearing.   The  second  is that  the                                                                    
     [district attorney]  is given 48 hours  notice in which                                                                    
     to  notify the  victim  of the  hearing.   And  lastly,                                                                    
     there will be a  48-hour period between calendared bail                                                                    
     hearings,  so we're  just  changing it  from  24 to  48                                                                    
     [hours].                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The second part of the  bill, which is the new language                                                                    
     in the  CS, has been  added [so]  that a victim  may be                                                                    
     introduced to a  jury during an opening  statement at a                                                                    
     trial or during the jury  selection process.  Right now                                                                    
     the  defendant is  right  there  throughout the  entire                                                                    
     process, and  the jury  is able  to see  the defendant.                                                                    
     And just to  balance it, we thought it was  a good idea                                                                    
     for  the prosecution  to be  allowed  to introduce  the                                                                    
     victim.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:27:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked  if bail hearings are  heard before the                                                               
same  judge  [that presided  over  the  original trial],  whether                                                               
packets  of information  are presented  in advance  to the  judge                                                               
that's  making  the  determination,  and whether  he/she  has  to                                                               
consider that information.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:29:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE  CARPENETI,  Assistant   Attorney  General,  Legal  Services                                                               
Section-Juneau,  Criminal  Division,  Department  of  Law  (DOL),                                                               
opined  that  HB  54  will  bring order  to  what  are  sometimes                                                               
disorderly  requests for  bail hearings.   She  noted that  there                                                               
have  been  problems  particularly  in Anchorage  with  what  she                                                               
called  "serial" bail  hearings.   In response  to Representative                                                               
Kott,  she replied  that bail  hearings are  heard by  whoever is                                                               
available,  and  that  a  file  with  all  pertinent  information                                                               
follows the case.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT,  noting that  the current standard  allows a                                                               
person to request  a bail hearing every day, asked  what would be                                                               
the   substantial  savings   in  moving   that  to   the  48-hour                                                               
arrangement, since one  could still bring the issue  up every two                                                               
days.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI  answered that the  bill allows for at  least twice                                                               
as  long as  is currently  provided for,  plus requires  that one                                                               
have additional information to provide to the judicial officer.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:32:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT offered  a  hypothetical  example wherein  a                                                               
person can't make  bail initially but can within a  few hours; he                                                               
asked if  this person  would then  have to wait  in jail  for the                                                               
entire 48  hours before  having the opportunity  to pay  bail and                                                               
leave the premises.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI  responded that  she didn't  believe that  would be                                                               
correct.   She said, "If  the judge sets  a $5,000 cash  bail and                                                               
you don't have it  at 'hour one' but you have  it at 'hour five,'                                                               
... you can be released."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  relayed his  concern  that  it is  not                                                               
always possible to  get a hold of the prosecuting  attorney for a                                                               
bail review hearing,  particularly in rural areas.   He suggested                                                               
amending  Version Y  to allow  the  court to  waive the  proposed                                                               
requirements.   He asked  Ms. Carpeneti if  she saw  any problems                                                               
with such an amendment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI asked that she be  allowed to discuss this with the                                                               
DOL's prosecutors, but  she worries that such  an amendment would                                                               
require  the court  to hear  the  request and  then have  another                                                               
hearing  within 24  hours  regarding  whether there's  sufficient                                                               
cause to have a hearing.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG remarked that that is not his intent.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:35:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON mentioned  that the  Office of  Victims'                                                               
Rights had originally requested the bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked  where in the law it says  that one can                                                               
keep  requesting more  and  more bail  hearings  without any  new                                                               
information or any cause.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI   replied  that   the  law   does  not   say  this                                                               
specifically, but such has been the practice.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:37:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  surmised, then, that  HB 54 would  allow one                                                               
to get a bail review after a review of the first hearing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI  clarified that an  individual is  arraigned within                                                               
24 hours  of being arrested  and bail is set  at that time.   The                                                               
individual then  has the  right to  a hearing  48 hours  from the                                                               
time of  arraignment.   She said,  "This bill  addresses hearings                                                               
after  that  first  arraignment and  the  48-hour  hearing  after                                                               
that."  In  response to a question, she replied  that HB 54 would                                                               
add a new subsection (j) to  AS 12.30.020 that would address bail                                                               
hearings after the hearing outlined in AS 12.30.120(f).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked whether  other states or federal trials                                                               
allow the victim to be introduced during the opening statement.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI said  she did not know the answer,  but offered her                                                               
understanding that most judges in  Alaska do allow prosecutors to                                                               
introduce the  [victim] but not  in all situations, and  this has                                                               
been the impetus for the bill.  She said:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I think  the bill originally said,  "during the opening                                                                    
     statement,"   and  then   it  was   revised  to   allow                                                                    
     introduction  during jury  selection  for  a couple  of                                                                    
     reasons.   If the victims  are sitting in  the audience                                                                    
     and  there're  all  these   jurors  being  voir  dired,                                                                    
     they're kind  of wondering who  these people are.   The                                                                    
     defendant is  there; they  know who he  or she  is, but                                                                    
     they don't  know these other  people who  are potential                                                                    
     jurors.   Plus the  fact that  the jurors  may actually                                                                    
     know the  victims and  may not  recognize the  name but                                                                    
     recognize  the face,  and it's  important  so they  can                                                                    
     answer accurately whether  or not they know  any of the                                                                    
     parties in the case. ...                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA wanted  to know  why the  rule is  as it  is                                                               
currently,  whether there  is some  sort of  "fairness at  trial"                                                               
concern that  judges have.  He  commented, "I don't want  to just                                                               
quickly change a court rule without thinking it through."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI offered  her  belief that  there  is nothing  that                                                               
addresses this specifically.   She pointed out  that the practice                                                               
has been to allow introduction of  victims, but there have been a                                                               
few recent cases where this has not been allowed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked why.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI replied that she did not know.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:41:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT relayed  that he'd  sat through  a [hearing]                                                               
wherein the  defendant had  a $5,000 bail  that he  couldn't pay.                                                               
The defendant  asked if he  could be sent  to a halfway  house in                                                               
lieu  of paying  bail.   Representative Kott  asked if  this case                                                               
would fall within the scope of this bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI said she'd never heard  of a person being given the                                                               
choice of staying at a halfway house in lieu of paying bail.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked  whether a person has a right  to get a                                                               
new bail  hearing every  time he/she  asks for  one, or  just the                                                               
right to ask for one.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI offered  her understanding  that  the judge  would                                                               
have to hold the hearing.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  asked what would  happen if there is  no new                                                               
information to change  the judge's mind, but the  defendant has a                                                               
"new conditions" request.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI  replied that  there are  types of  new information                                                               
that would entitle  a person to a new bail  hearing, such as that                                                               
someone is willing  to post a portion  of the bond or  be a third                                                               
party custodian.  She pointed out,  however, that "if you had the                                                               
same  person suggested  as  the third  party  custodian that  the                                                               
court had rejected at the  prior hearing, suggesting the same one                                                               
again would not be new information,  but if you had somebody else                                                               
who you could say is willing to  be a custodian, ... I think that                                                               
is new information."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:45:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  whether  the bill  will allow  a                                                               
bail  hearing  in situations  wherein  the  defense lawyer  finds                                                               
something illegal in the condition of bail.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI said that it would.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG offered his  understanding that a direct                                                               
court rule  amendment will  require a  two-thirds vote  to become                                                               
effective, while an indirect rule does not require such a vote.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI  responded  that her  understanding  is  that  the                                                               
indirect rule  also requires  a two-thirds  vote, and  noted that                                                               
the title of the bill says that it would change court rules.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  opined that the committee  should, as a                                                               
matter of policy, also put that in the bill.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDA WILSON,  Deputy Director,  Central Office,  Public Defender                                                               
Agency (PDA), Department of  Administration (DOA), mentioned that                                                               
she'd been  able to speak with  the PDA attorney who  handles all                                                               
superior  court  arraignments,  but  not with  the  attorney  who                                                               
handles district court arraignments.  She went on to say:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     [The Anchorage] superior court  hears bail hearings for                                                                    
     cases where  the defendant  has been  indicted already,                                                                    
     so  if  it's  pre-indictment,  the  bail  hearings  are                                                                    
     occurring in  district court -  post-indictment they're                                                                    
     heard in the  superior court.  The  superior court also                                                                    
     hears bail  hearings on petitions to  revoke probation,                                                                    
     and the  bulk of the  bail hearings the  superior court                                                                    
     hears has to do with  probation revocation and bail for                                                                    
     those revocations.  So in  the superior court, it's all                                                                    
     in  front of  the  same judge  routinely,  ... and  the                                                                    
     court generally  schedules only five or  six hearings a                                                                    
     day.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     So it's  a limited  number of  hearings that  the judge                                                                    
     allows to come in before  the court on a regular basis.                                                                    
     So  you don't  have  that situation  where  you have  a                                                                    
     defendant abusing  the system  and coming in  every day                                                                    
     for  repeated bail  hearings,  arguing  the same  thing                                                                    
     over  and  over  again.    Quite  frankly,  that's  not                                                                    
     happening.  So  I'm not sure if this  is something that                                                                    
     they're saying is occurring in  the district court; ...                                                                    
     I haven't  spoken with them,  but I find ...  that that                                                                    
     would be quite remarkable if that were happening.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     What we normally  do is what we call  calendaring for a                                                                    
     date.   Generally speaking, we  have to wait a  week to                                                                    
     get a  bail hearing  scheduled in  front of  the judge.                                                                    
     So  again,  it's  not  happening  the  next  day.    We                                                                    
     generally   give  the   [district  attorneys]   24-hour                                                                    
     advance notice  [of] ... what  our request is  and give                                                                    
     an explanation.  ... If we're proposing  a third party,                                                                    
     we give  them the third  party information so  they can                                                                    
     review it. ...                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     And then we  e-mail the probation officer  [PO] and let                                                                    
     them  know  about it  because  the  superior court  has                                                                    
     wanted  to get  the PO  involved as  well. ...  On very                                                                    
     rare  occasions   could  you  get  bail   hearings  for                                                                    
     something  less than  the five  days away  or the  week                                                                    
     away ...  and those are usually  for pretty extenuating                                                                    
     circumstances, and you usually have  to go to the judge                                                                    
     to request  that expedited bail hearing.  ... So that's                                                                    
     what   I'm    finding   out   about    superior   court                                                                    
     arrangements,  which indicate  to  me that  it's not  a                                                                    
     situation where  there's a lot  of abuse or  that there                                                                    
     is a problem that exists for the superior court.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  said that judges normally  do allow the victim  to be                                                               
introduced  to  the jury,  but  pointed  out  that Section  3  of                                                               
Version Y  says that the term  "victim" has the meaning  given in                                                               
AS  12.55.185,  which is  a  broad  definition  of the  word  and                                                               
includes  members  of the  victim's  family  and "any  interested                                                               
party."   She said that she  would like to hear  more information                                                               
about why this was included in the bill.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMARA de  LUCIA, Associate Victims'  Rights Advocate,  Office of                                                               
Victims' Rights (OVR), Alaska State Legislature, said:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  provisions contained  in HB  54  are important  to                                                                    
     protect  the needs  and rights  of  victims in  several                                                                    
     ways.  ...  The bail  provision  [serves]  to curb  the                                                                    
     current defense  practice of  setting bail  hearings in                                                                    
     the   morning  for   hearings   that  same   afternoon.                                                                    
     Generally I  would tell  you this  is a  district court                                                                    
     problem.      I'm   not  sure   if   it's   necessarily                                                                    
     particularized to  Anchorage, but I would  imagine that                                                                    
     it is. ...  In addition,  this is not a situation where                                                                    
     we have encountered the [PDA]  as the culprit.  This is                                                                    
     a tactic  very often used  by private attorneys  and by                                                                    
     the  "defense  contractor"   for  the  Municipality  of                                                                    
     Anchorage.   So  this is  a district  court misdemeanor                                                                    
     problem; it affects  a lot of misdemeanor  cases in the                                                                    
     ... city,  especially in the domestic  violence context                                                                    
     because  most  of those  cases  do  go to  "misdemeanor                                                                    
     land."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. de LUCIA continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  way the  current practice  is at  this point,  the                                                                    
     defense attorneys  fax in  a request  before 10  ... in                                                                    
     the morning for  a bail hearing set the same  day.  And                                                                    
     what  they  do is  they  fax  that to  the  calendaring                                                                    
     division - the  request does not go before  a judge, it                                                                    
     goes  to   "calendaring,"  ...   [which]  automatically                                                                    
     calendars that  hearing.  The prosecutors  also get the                                                                    
     printout of the  court calendar ... at 11  a.m. ... and                                                                    
     they have to scramble to  notify the victim, to get the                                                                    
     file  to prepare  the prosecutor  for the  hearing, and                                                                    
     this is  all done  mindful of the  fact that  there's a                                                                    
     noon to 1 p.m. lunch hour.   They have about an hour or                                                                    
     forty-five minutes  to get that together,  which can be                                                                    
     very difficult  for victims.   It puts a burden  on the                                                                    
     court system because  what the effect that  you have of                                                                    
     scheduling  a hearing  with such  short notice  is that                                                                    
     more than  half the  time the victim's  aren't notified                                                                    
     or   the  prosecutor's   not  prepared,   and  so   the                                                                    
     prosecutor  comes  to court  saying,  "I  never got  my                                                                    
     victim on  line," and the  court has to  re-calendar it                                                                    
     for  the  next  day,  affectively giving  us  48  hours                                                                    
     anyway.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. de LUCIA continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     So that does  put a strain on  the calendaring division                                                                    
     because  judges  are  getting, especially  in  district                                                                    
     court, ...  a bail hearing  calendar that has  30 cases                                                                    
     set.    And   they  very  often  go   way  through  the                                                                    
     afternoon, a  lot longer  than the  time they  have set                                                                    
     aside for those hearings, in  order to see who's there,                                                                    
     who's  not, and  who's  ready.   The  court must  allow                                                                    
     victim input at bail hearings.   Most victims do choose                                                                    
     to exercise that  right and ... not only  is ... [that]                                                                    
     right ... constitutionally protected,  but the court is                                                                    
     under statutory  obligation to  consider [the]  risk to                                                                    
     the  victim.   So it's  very important  to have  victim                                                                    
     input at these hearings.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. de  LUCIA explained  that the  48-hour issue  wouldn't affect                                                               
the  first bail  hearing.   She  presented an  example wherein  a                                                               
defendant is held on a $5,000  cash corporate bail but can't make                                                               
bail  that first  day.    The next  day  the  defendant can  come                                                               
forward with  another application  requesting to  be sent  to the                                                               
halfway  house or  asking for  approval of  a third  party.   She                                                               
pointed out  that the DOC  halfway houses do  act as a  bail hold                                                               
for  defendants.   She also  noted that  the prosecution  has the                                                               
right to  run the criminal history  of the third party,  to check                                                               
with the  victim about  suitability of that  third party,  and to                                                               
interview the third party to find  out if the person is suitable.                                                               
Occasionally there  isn't enough  time for this  background work,                                                               
and  the  third party  is  found  to  be unsuitable,  which,  she                                                               
commented,  "just  puts  another  kink in  the  gears  that  make                                                               
justice swiftly turn."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:01:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  de LUCIA  commented,  "I  don't think  [HB  54] affects  the                                                               
defendant's  right to  ask for  bail hearings;  it just  says you                                                               
can't  use this  system  to clog  and abuse  the  process."   She                                                               
reiterated that  in district  court, the  judges don't  set their                                                               
own schedules;  this task is completed  by calendaring personnel.                                                               
She noted that  by having a 48-hour waiting  period, the district                                                               
attorney would have enough time to  produce a file and notify the                                                               
victim.   Regarding HB  54, she  said, "These  provisions balance                                                               
the  rights of  the accused,  they  balance the  rights of  crime                                                               
victims,  and  they accommodate  for  the  schedules of  ...  the                                                               
district  attorney's office,  the  prosecutor's  office, and  the                                                               
court system."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. de LUCIA then stated,  "Allowing the victim to choose whether                                                               
to be introduced  to the jury is important  because it recognizes                                                               
the victim's critical role in  this process."  She clarified that                                                               
the definition of victim in the  bill is predicated on the victim                                                               
being deceased,  so if the  victim is  deceased, the next  of kin                                                               
would "step into the victim's shoes."  She continued:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Very  often victims  feel totally  out  of control  and                                                                    
     wholly   secondary   to   the  court   proceeding   and                                                                    
     especially secondary  to the  rights of  the defendant.                                                                    
     Without the  opportunity to be introduced  to the jury,                                                                    
     the  jurors  may  get  the sense  that  the  victim  is                                                                    
     peripheral  to the  process, and  this provision  gives                                                                    
     some  sense  of control  and  importance  to the  crime                                                                    
     victim.  ...  We  already allow  the  defendant  to  be                                                                    
     humanized,  [and]  our  courts have  ruled  that  those                                                                    
     efforts do not prejudice the fairness of the trial.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:06:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. de LUCIA concluded:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     [House  Bill  54] is  designed  to  strike the  balance                                                                    
     between rights  afforded the defendants  throughout the                                                                    
     criminal  process  ...   [and]  those  constitutionally                                                                    
     protected rights  of crime victims.   It's  designed to                                                                    
     humanize  the process  for victims,  take into  account                                                                    
     the importance of  victim involvement and participation                                                                    
     throughout  the  criminal  process, and  I  would  urge                                                                    
     passage, as written, of this bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DOUG  WOOLIVER,  Administrative Attorney,  Administrative  Staff,                                                               
Office  of  the  Administrative  Director,  Alaska  Court  System                                                               
(ACS),  in response  to a  question, noted  that he'd  received a                                                               
comment from  a rural magistrate saying  that even if there  is a                                                               
stipulation,  there  may  not  be  a  district  attorney  in  the                                                               
community, or there may be  only one district attorney and he/she                                                               
is  tied  up  in  a  different  case.   He  said  that  in  those                                                               
situations, if  there is some avenue  for the court, on  its own,                                                               
to  waive  the provision,  it  would  facilitate cases  in  rural                                                               
communities  where it  just isn't  possible  to gather  everybody                                                               
within the 48-hour time period.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked  Ms. Carpeneti if she  was able to                                                               
come up with  any kind of language that might  solve the problem;                                                               
he  noted that  it  is  definitely not  his  intent  to have  yet                                                               
another hearing.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI commented  that she hated to be the  one holding up                                                               
the bill,  but she would  really like to  have more time  to talk                                                               
with  other people  about [that  issue].   She, too,  offered her                                                               
understanding  that  the  issue  at  hand  is  a  district  court                                                               
problem, not a superior court problem.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said that  he had  no problem  with the                                                               
bill's definition of "victim" and "defendant".                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:11:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON closed public testimony on HB 54.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT  asked whether, if the  defendant cannot post                                                               
bail but then  something occurs in the interim  which enables the                                                               
defendant to  post bail,  the victim  has a  right to  attend the                                                               
second hearing,  or even whether there  is a second hearing.   He                                                               
said he  can envision a situation  in which a defendant  can post                                                               
bail  without the  victim's knowledge,  which could  then pose  a                                                               
risk to the victim.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. de LUCIA replied that the  victim has the right to be present                                                               
at every  proceeding where the  accused's release  is considered,                                                               
including all subsequent bail hearings.   However if it is simply                                                               
the case  that bail  money wasn't  posted the  first day  but was                                                               
posted the second day, that  defendant will just be released, and                                                               
then  the onus  is  on  the Department  of  Corrections (DOC)  to                                                               
inform the victim that the accused was released.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  added that there  isn't a  bail hearing every  time a                                                               
person is  released from jail; if  the defendant is able  to come                                                               
up  with whatever  the conditions  of  bail are,  then he/she  is                                                               
released from the facility without  a separate bail hearing.  She                                                               
noted that halfway houses are often  used in Anchorage as part of                                                               
a bail  release plan.  She  again assured the committee  that the                                                               
PDA doesn't abuse the bail hearing process.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said  he understands the reason  for what the                                                               
bill proposes in  district court, but is a  little concerned that                                                               
there might be some exceptional  circumstance when the bail order                                                               
releases  a defendant  to a  treatment center  that is  full; the                                                               
defendant would then  have to wait another 48 hours  to get a new                                                               
bail  hearing.    He  asked  whether the  bill  could  contain  a                                                               
provision  that  would  retain the  current  rules  on  expedited                                                               
review under exceptional circumstances.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  opined that  the bill should  contain a  safety valve                                                               
for exceptional  circumstances.  She  offered her belief  that 24                                                               
hours seems to  be adequate notice.  She noted,  "In the bill, it                                                               
reads that the  court cannot schedule ... a  bail hearing without                                                               
the 48  hour notice."   She  pointed out  that sometimes  a judge                                                               
will  continue  a  bail  hearing   the  next  day  so  that  more                                                               
information can be presented; she  asked how that situation would                                                               
be affected by  HB 54, and recommended that language  be added to                                                               
the bill  to clarify  that the 48-hour  period would  begin after                                                               
there was a decision regarding bail.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. de LUCIA commented:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Very  often [in  cases of  exceptional circumstance]  I                                                                    
     would  argue  that it  would  be  very  easy to  get  a                                                                    
     stipulation to say, "We're just  going to amend this or                                                                    
     transfer  this language,"  and it  wouldn't necessarily                                                                    
     require 48 hours,  or you could get  a stipulation from                                                                    
     your prosecutor  saying, "We  waive this  provision and                                                                    
     we're  going   in  today  ...   just  to   change  this                                                                    
     administrative  problem."   And  that  could solve  the                                                                    
     issue summarily. ...                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. de  LUCIA commented  on the situation  where cases  are reset                                                               
for the next day, saying that the  next bail hearing has to be 48                                                               
hours after the initial request.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:20:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  said  he didn't  think  he  is  comfortable                                                               
giving prosecutors  the discretion to determine  whether there is                                                               
good cause for  an expedited review, because that is  the role of                                                               
the judge.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. de LUCIA agreed.  She opined  that such would be ideal if all                                                               
the cases  were heard before a  judge, but that is  not the case;                                                               
rather,  these   requests  are   dealt  with   by  administrative                                                               
calendaring officials.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:21:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said it sounds like  some attorneys are                                                               
abusing  the  bail  process.    He  noted  that  in  civil  court                                                               
proceedings there  are rules such as  Rule 11 and Rule  95 of the                                                               
Alaska Rules  of Civil procedure  which could be used  to address                                                               
the perceived  abuse.   He asked whether  there are  any criminal                                                               
rules  similar  to  these  civil rules  that  could  address  the                                                               
problem.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER replied that he didn't know.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG suggested that the  bill be held over to                                                               
address members' concerns.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON  opined that  members' concerns  could be                                                               
characterized as differences in viewpoint.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  replied that  he supports the  bill but                                                               
is concerned about  an amendment that would give  the courts some                                                               
additional discretion.  However, he said  it seems to him that if                                                               
attorneys  are  violating  the  spirit of  the  rules  by  filing                                                               
frivolous  motions, then  perhaps the  bill should  include rules                                                               
for  criminal proceedings  equivalent to  Rules  11 and  95.   He                                                               
commented:   "If you're filing  ... stuff frivolously,  the court                                                               
can  really  sanction you.    It's  the  modern equivalent  to  a                                                               
contempt  of  court.   They  don't  use  contempts of  court  now                                                               
against attorneys; they use Rule 95."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON offered  his  belief that  it is  seldom                                                               
used.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG concurred.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON speculated  that Representative  Samuels                                                               
would not want such an amendment in HB 54.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN relayed that the goal  of the bill is to limit abuse,                                                               
and  posited  that  the  bill   in  its  current  form  would  be                                                               
sufficient.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON said that he  would like to move the bill                                                               
today.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:27:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  opined that  the court should  be given                                                               
discretion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN suggested that she and  the DOL could work outside of                                                               
the committee to draft another CS.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON said that HB 54 would be held over.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                

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