Legislature(2025 - 2026)SENATE FINANCE 532

05/18/2025 01:00 PM Senate CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON HB53 AND HB55

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02:16:02 PM Start
03:58:07 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 53 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Moved CCS HB 53 Out of Committee
+= HB 55 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Moved CCS HB 55 Out of Committee
+ FY26 Operating Budget: TELECONFERENCED
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic
Development
Department of Corrections
Department of Education and Early Development
Office of the Governor
Department of Health
Department of Labor and Workforce Development
Department of Public Safety
Department of Revenue
Department of Transportation and Public
Facilities
University of Alaska
Permanent Fund
Supplemental Operating Items
Monetary Terms of Agreement
Fiscal Notes
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 53(FIN) am(brf sup maj fld)(efd fld)                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;      and       making      supplemental                                                                    
     appropriations."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE CS FOR CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 53(FIN) am S                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
and                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 55(FIN)                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATE CS FOR CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 55(FIN) am S                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:16:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson  invited Alexei Painter,  Legislative Fiscal                                                                    
Analyst,  to  the  table.  He  stated  the  committee  would                                                                    
address items  in House Bill 53  and House Bill 55  based on                                                                    
the motion sheets distributed to  members earlier in the day                                                                    
and  dated  May 18th.  The  sheets  included items  for  the                                                                    
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY, AND ECONOMIC                                                                            
     DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS                                                                                                  
     DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                              
     OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                                     
     DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH                                                                                                       
     DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT                                                                              
     DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                      
    DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                          
     UNIVERSITY                                                                                                                 
     PERMANENT FUND                                                                                                             
     SUPPLEMENTAL OPERATING ITEMS                                                                                               
    MONETARY TERMS and COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS                                                                         
     FISCAL NOTES                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:17:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman MOVED that the committee adopt the                                                                           
following items in the Department of Commerce, Community                                                                        
and Economic Development:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Items 6 through 9   House, all items                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson stated that the action closed all remaining                                                                     
conference-able items in the Department of Commerce,                                                                            
Community, and Economic Development.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:18:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman MOVED that the committee adopt the                                                                           
following items in the Department of Corrections:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Items 3, 5 and 6    House                                                                                                  
     Item 7              House, modify fund source to                                                                           
                         Interagency Receipts (fund source                                                                      
                         1007)                                                                                                  
     Item 41             Line 1: House                                                                                          
                         Line 2: House, minus $1.5 million                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able items in the Department of Corrections.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:18:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  MOVED that the committee  reopen Item 10                                                                    
in the Department of Education and Early Development.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Item 10 was reopened.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following  items in  the Department  of Education  and Early                                                                    
Development:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item 10   House                                                                                                            
     Item 15   Senate                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able  items in  the Department  of Education  and                                                                    
Early Development.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:20:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following item in the Office of the Governor:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Item 4    House, modify to intent  language as shown on                                                                    
     the motion sheet. This language  directs OMB to provide                                                                    
     agency-level  reports on  overtime and  other specialty                                                                    
     pay types.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able items in the Office of the Governor.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:20:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following items in the Department of Health budget:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Items 1 and 2       House, both items                                                                                      
     Item 3              Senate, both lines                                                                                     
     Item 4              Senate                                                                                                 
     Item 5              House, both lines:                                                                                     
                         Line 1, minus $333.8 thousand                                                                          
                         GF/Match                                                                                               
                         Line 2, minus $147.5 thousand                                                                          
                         Federal Receipts                                                                                       
     Item 6              House                                                                                                  
     Item 7              House    minus   $424.4    thousand                                                                    
                         GF/Match                                                                                               
     Item 8              Senate, all lines                                                                                      
     Item 9              House                                                                                                  
     Item 10             Senate                                                                                                 
     Items 11 and 12     Senate, both items, all lines                                                                          
     Item 13             House, both lines                                                                                      
     Items 14 and 15     Senate, both items, all lines                                                                          
     Items 16 and 17     House, both items                                                                                      
     Items 18 and 19     Senate, both items                                                                                     
    Item 20             House minus $500.0 thousand UGF                                                                         
     Items 21-24         House, all items                                                                                       
     Items 25-30         Senate, all items                                                                                      
     Item 31             House                                                                                                  
     Items 32-38         Senate, all items, all lines                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:22:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman OBJECTED  to Items  8 and  9. He  asked for                                                                    
clarification   of  the   function  of   the  fiscal   notes                                                                    
pertaining to legislation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson invited Mr. Painter to the table.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,   LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION                                                                    
answered that pertaining  to Item 8 there was  a fiscal note                                                                    
in  committee  members' packets  that  added  the item  back                                                                    
contingent on the passage of Senate  Bill 95. Item 9 did not                                                                    
relate to any fiscal notes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman WITHDREW the OBJECTION.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being NO further OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Josephson stated  that all  of the  above items  were                                                                    
adopted, and the action closed  all conference-able items in                                                                    
the Department of Health.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:24:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following  item in  the Department  of  Labor and  Workforce                                                                    
Development budget:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Item 3    Senate                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able  items  in  the   Department  of  Labor  and                                                                    
Workforce Development.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:24:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman  requested to  return  to  an item  in  the                                                                    
Department of Health.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson  noted that the  items in the  Department of                                                                    
Health had  been closed. He  asked Senator Kaufman  to speak                                                                    
to the item.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman OBJECTED  for discussion  to Item  16 under                                                                    
the Department of  Health. He observed that  the item funded                                                                    
$85,000 for  a media campaign at  a time when the  state was                                                                    
laying  people off  and  potentially  not funding  positions                                                                    
that had  been created. He asked  if it was the  best use of                                                                    
funding currently.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  replied   that   the  Statewide   Suicide                                                                    
Prevention  Council  was  housed  under  the  Department  of                                                                    
Health,  and  it  issued  a plan  called  Messages  of  Hope                                                                    
spanning from  2023 to 2027.  He detailed that pages  24 and                                                                    
25  of the  plan spoke  extensively about  a campaign  for a                                                                    
public  relations  strategy to  reduce  access  by youth  in                                                                    
particular,  to firearms.  He highlighted  that the  council                                                                    
included  legislative members  of both  bodies. The  council                                                                    
cited  the   American  Association  of   Suicidology,  which                                                                    
recommended safely storing firearms  as a universal means of                                                                    
preventing   suicide.   The   item  was   adopted   by   the                                                                    
subcommittee  of  the Department  of  Health,  which he  had                                                                    
chaired. The  item was a  reflection of the respect  for the                                                                    
work of the suicide council.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman appreciated  the  explanation. He  remarked                                                                    
that the legislature was  potentially not funding positions,                                                                    
but it  was paying for a  media campaign. He noted  that the                                                                    
state  had  a  lot  of needs.  Separately,  he  asked  about                                                                    
behavioral health  funding, which  was a real  challenge for                                                                    
Anchorage  with   respect  to   the  homeless   problem  and                                                                    
behavioral  issues   with  individuals   who  ended   up  in                                                                    
Anchorage. He asked how the  funding had been arrived at for                                                                    
Item  35.   He  appreciated   the  chair's   indulgence  for                                                                    
discussing the items.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson responded  that Senator Kaufman's sentiments                                                                    
were  correct. There  was  confusion  about the  complicated                                                                    
language  on  how to  write  behavioral  health grants  that                                                                    
would  be receptive  to Senior  and Disability  Services and                                                                    
Medicaid Services.  There had been  choices to make,  and it                                                                    
was not a choice that he had  made. He stated it was a topic                                                                    
that needed serious consideration in January.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:28:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman remarked  that  there  were priorities  and                                                                    
there  were priorities,  and the  state was  challenged with                                                                    
the funding available. He thanked  the thanked the chair for                                                                    
allowing  the  discussion  on the  items.  He  WITHDREW  the                                                                    
OBJECTION.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:29:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following items in the Department of Public Safety budget:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Items 3, 4, 8, 13 and 14 Senate                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson OBJECTED.  She highlighted  that the                                                                    
funding was a  Department of Public Safety  (DPS) request to                                                                    
fund  trooper  positions in  a  trooper  post on  the  Parks                                                                    
Highway  about  halfway  between  Anchorage  and  Fairbanks,                                                                    
which was  a direct  pipeline for fentanyl  distribution out                                                                    
to rural Alaska. The  intent of the post was to  be a way to                                                                    
stop the flow of drugs and monitor the situation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:30:40 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:31:07 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  relayed  that  the  increment  was  the                                                                    
governor's request. He shared  that the legislature received                                                                    
communication  that the  governor had  withdrawn all  of his                                                                    
amendments;  therefore, the  proposed  action complied  with                                                                    
the governor's request.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman asked for clarification on the motion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson clarified that a  yes vote would adopt Vice-                                                                    
Chair Hoffman's motion to adopt  the Senate version of Items                                                                    
3, 4, 8, 13, and 14 within DPS.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson MAINTAINED the OBJECTION.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Senator  Stedman, Representative  Schrage, Senator                                                                    
Hoffman, Representative Josephson                                                                                               
OPPOSED: Senator Kaufman, Representative Johnson                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  MOTION PASSED  Senate  2/1 House  2/1.  There being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:32:57 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:01:15 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Josephson  noted  the   committee  left  off  at  the                                                                    
Department of Revenue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following items in the Department of Revenue budget:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Item 1         Senate, plus 2 positions and plus                                                                           
                    $311.0 thousand UGF                                                                                         
     Items 2-4      Senate, all items                                                                                           
     Item 5         House                                                                                                       
     Items 6-9      Senate                                                                                                      
     Item 10        House                                                                                                       
     Items 11-14    Senate                                                                                                      
     Items 15-20    House                                                                                                       
     Item 21        Senate, plus 1 million, 282.4 thousand                                                                      
                    dollars PF Gross                                                                                            
     Items 22-42    House, all items                                                                                            
     Items 43-46    Senate, all items                                                                                           
     Item 47        House                                                                                                       
     Item 48        Senate                                                                                                      
     Item 49        House                                                                                                       
     Items 50-51    Senate, both items                                                                                          
     Item 52        House                                                                                                       
     Item 53        Senate                                                                                                      
     Item 54        House                                                                                                       
     Item 55        Senate                                                                                                      
     Items 56-60    House, all items                                                                                            
     Item 61        Senate                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:03:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman OBJECTED  and asked  for an  explanation of                                                                    
the net  effect on  the operations  of the  Alaska Permanent                                                                    
Fund Corporation (APFC).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter explained  that the  motion  returned the  APFC                                                                    
budget total funding  level to the adjusted  base with three                                                                    
exceptions. The first exception  was an increase of $250,000                                                                    
in  statutory  designated  program  receipts  for  accepting                                                                    
third  party travel.  The second  exception was  common item                                                                    
adding $100 for  the APFC Anchorage office,  which was above                                                                    
the  adjusted  base.  The  third item  was  a  reduction  of                                                                    
$32,000 to APFC maintenance  and operations, which was below                                                                    
the adjusted  base. With the  exception of the  three items,                                                                    
the  funding  level was  the  adjusted  base. The  structure                                                                    
differed from  the governor's submitted budget  and returned                                                                    
to  the  FY  25  structure  with  a  Juneau  operations  and                                                                    
Anchorage   separate.   The   bill   added   an   additional                                                                    
appropriation  from  the  Senate structure  for  information                                                                    
technology and other software systems.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman  WITHDREW  the OBJECTION.  There  being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able items in the Department of Revenue.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:05:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that the  committee  reopen  the                                                                    
budget  of  the  Department  of  Transportation  and  Public                                                                    
Facilities (DOT) for the purpose of amendments.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  MOVED that the committee  reopen Item 23                                                                    
in the DOT budget.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:06:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman MOVED that  the Committee adopt Amendment                                                                    
1,  34-GH1462\B.A.3  (Marx,  5/15/25)(copy on  file),  which                                                                    
modified  the House  number  by reducing  the  amount to  $5                                                                    
million dollars  and conformed  to the  Conference Committee                                                                    
budget structure:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 85, following line 29:                                                                                                
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
     "(d)  If  the  amount  of  federal  receipts  that  are                                                                    
     received  by  the   Department  of  Transportation  and                                                                    
     Public Facilities  for the period beginning  January 1,                                                                    
     2026, and ending  December 31, 2026, fall  short of the                                                                    
     amount appropriated in  sec. 4 of this  Act, the amount                                                                    
     of  the   shortfall,  not  to  exceed   $5,000,000,  is                                                                    
     appropriated from  the general  fund to  the Department                                                                    
     of Transportation and  Public Facilities, Alaska marine                                                                    
     highway  system,   for  operation  of   marine  highway                                                                    
     vessels for  the period beginning January  1, 2026, and                                                                    
     ending December 31, 2026."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 102, line 17:                                                                                                         
     Delete "20 - 42"                                                                                                           
     Insert "20 - 36, 37(a) - (c), 38 - 42"                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 14, following "Sections 4 - 6":                                                                             
     Insert "and 37(d)"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 1 was ADOPTED.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:07:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following item in the DOT budget:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Item 23   House, as modified by the adoption of                                                                            
               Amendment B.A.3                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:07:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  MOVED to reopen common  items within the                                                                    
DOT budget for the purpose of adopting an amendment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman MOVED that  the committee adopt Amendment                                                                    
2  (copy  on file).  The  amendment  provided net-zero  fund                                                                    
source changes  in two allocations. For  the Northern Region                                                                    
Highways and  Aviation allocation, it added  an increment of                                                                    
$2.1 million  in Vehicle Rental  Tax receipts, added  a one-                                                                    
time  increment of  $1.3 million  in funds  from the  Alaska                                                                    
Housing  Capital   Corporation  (AHCC),  and   deleted  $3.4                                                                    
million  in  UGF.  For  the   Central  Region  Highways  and                                                                    
Aviation   allocation,  the   amendment  added   a  one-time                                                                    
increment  of $1.4  million  in  Derelict Vessel  Prevention                                                                    
Program  Funds   and  deleted  $1.4  million   in  UGF.  The                                                                    
amendment also  stated it was  the intent of  the Conference                                                                    
Committee  that the  one-time increments  from AHCC  and the                                                                    
Derelict Vessel Prevention Program  be replaced with general                                                                    
funds in FY 27.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman OBJECTED.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:09:30 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:10:30 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson  noted there  had been  an objection  to the                                                                    
reopening of common items [within the DOT budget].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman replied  it was his intent to  object to the                                                                    
amendment.  He thought  the Derelict  Vessel  Program was  a                                                                    
good one.  He relayed that if  the item needed to  be opened                                                                    
in order to  object to the amendment, he  would withdraw his                                                                    
objection to the reopening of the item.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:11:09 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:14:35 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson  relayed there was  a motion to  open common                                                                    
items  in the  DOT budget,  which had  been objected  to for                                                                    
purposes of hearing what was intended.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  MAINTAINED the  OBJECTION to  the reopening                                                                    
of common items.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Senator  Stedman, Representative  Schrage, Senator                                                                    
Hoffman, Representative Josephson                                                                                               
OPPOSED: Senator Kaufman, Representative Johnson                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  MOTION PASSED  Senate  2/1 House  2/1.  There being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION,  common items within the  DOT budget were                                                                    
reopened.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:15:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson  noted that  Vice-Chair Hoffman  had already                                                                    
described Amendment 2.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Hoffman  MOVED to ADOPT Amendment  2. He restated                                                                    
his  earlier explanation  of the  amendment  [see above  for                                                                    
detail].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  OBJECTED. He thought  transferring receipts                                                                    
from vehicle  rental tax to  the Derelict  Vessel Prevention                                                                    
Program seemed like  a stretch. He thought  the funds should                                                                    
be  directed more  towards  what was  impacted  in terms  of                                                                    
transportation,  park  access,  and items  more  related  to                                                                    
vehicle rental activities.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Senator  Stedman, Representative  Schrage, Senator                                                                    
Hoffman, Representative Josephson                                                                                               
OPPOSED: Senator Kaufman, Representative Johnson                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  MOTION PASSED  Senate  2/1 House  2/1.  There being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION, Amendment 2 was ADOPTED.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able  items in  the Department  of Transportation                                                                    
and Public Facilities.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:18:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that the  committee  reopen  the                                                                    
budget  of  the University  of  Alaska  for the  purpose  of                                                                    
adopting Conference Committee Item 33.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following item in the University of Alaska budget:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Item 33   Adopt   new   Conference   Committee   intent                                                                    
     language as  shown on the  motion sheet.  This language                                                                    
     directs  the University  to  report  on fund  transfers                                                                    
    from rural allocations to main campus allocations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson OBJECTED  for discussion.  She asked                                                                    
if the term "main  campus" referred to Southeast, Fairbanks,                                                                    
and Anchorage. She  asked if rural could  possibly mean Mat-                                                                    
Su.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Hoffman replied affirmatively.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being NO further OBJECTION,  Item 33 in the University                                                                    
of Alaska budget was ADOPTED.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able  items in  the budget  of the  University of                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:20:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PERMANENT FUND                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   MOVED  that   the  committee   adopt  the                                                                    
following in the Permanent Fund:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Items 1 and 2 Senate                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson OBJECTED.  She highlighted  that the                                                                    
proposal  was a  reduction  to the  Permanent Fund  Dividend                                                                    
(PFD).  She  explained that  the  proposal  would bring  the                                                                    
75/25  PFD in  the  House  budget to  the  Senate amount  of                                                                    
$1,000 per person.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Josephson  agreed.  He   asked  Mr.  Painter  if  the                                                                    
proposal would result in a PFD of $1,000.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied affirmatively.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson MAINTAINED the OBJECTION.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Representative    Schrage,     Senator    Stedman,                                                                    
Representative Josephson, Senator Hoffman                                                                                       
OPPOSED: Representative Johnson, Senator Kaufmann                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The  MOTION PASSED  House  2/1 Senate  2/1.  There being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   the                                                                    
conference-able items in the Permanent Fund.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:22:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUPPLEMENTAL OPERATING ITEMS                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that  the  committee  adopt  the                                                                    
following  budget  items   for  the  Supplemental  Operating                                                                    
Budget:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Item 1    House, effective date June 30th, 2025                                                                            
     Item 75   Senate                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair   Josephson  stated   that  the   action  closed   all                                                                    
conference-able items in the Supplemental Operating Budget.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:23:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MONETARY TERMS OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  MOVED that the committee  adopt Packet 1                                                                    
titled "Monetary Terms  of Collective Bargaining Agreements"                                                                    
(copy on  file). The packet funded  the negotiated contracts                                                                    
for: Marine Engineers'  Beneficial Association, Confidential                                                                    
Employees  Association,  and  Inlandboatmen's Union  of  the                                                                    
Pacific, Alaska Region.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Josephson   stated  that  the  action   accepted  the                                                                    
Monetary Terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreements.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:24:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FISCAL NOTES                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman MOVED that  the committee adopt Packet 2,                                                                    
titled Fiscal Notes (copy on file):                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     This document  adds a  new Section  2 to  the Operating                                                                    
     Bill, HB 53. Section  2 makes appropriations associated                                                                    
     with the  bills listed. If  a bill listed  either fails                                                                    
     to  pass, its  substance  fails to  be incorporated  in                                                                    
     some other measure,  or is vetoed by  the Governor, the                                                                    
     appropriations associated  with that bill  are reduced.                                                                    
     The  attached  reports   prepared  by  the  Legislative                                                                    
     Finance  Division list  the fund  sources and  agencies                                                                    
     associated with the bill.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Johnson   OBJECTED  for   discussion.   She                                                                    
clarified that approving the fiscal  notes did not mean that                                                                    
she was in favor of the bills.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked  Mr. Painter if he  had any remarks                                                                    
on the fiscal notes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter made  comments on  three items  associated with                                                                    
the  fiscal  notes.  The  first was  regarding  HB  57,  the                                                                    
education funding  bill. The largest  fiscal note for  HB 57                                                                    
was a public education  fund capitalization; it was included                                                                    
in  members'  packets  as  information   and  would  not  be                                                                    
reflected in the bill. The  existing common language for the                                                                    
public education fund  was for the amount  necessary and the                                                                    
effect of the  bill would be captured  by existing language.                                                                    
He  explained that  the Legislative  Finance Division  (LFD)                                                                    
budget reports  counted funding included  as outside  of the                                                                    
formula funding  that was  contingent on  the failure  of HB
57.  If HB  57 was  enacted into  law, LFD  would switch  to                                                                    
counting  an  increase  to  the   estimate  for  the  public                                                                    
education  fund capitalization.  He  clarified  it would  be                                                                    
counted either  way, but  not simultaneously.  Second, there                                                                    
was  a  conference  committee  prepared   note  for  SB  95,                                                                    
childcare  funding   legislation.  He  explained   that  the                                                                    
funding was  zeroed out in the  conference committee motion;                                                                    
therefore, it  made the funding contingent  on the enactment                                                                    
of SB  95. Third, the funding  was zeroed out for  SB 97 and                                                                    
was contingent  on the  enactment of  SB 97.  The conference                                                                    
committee note  changed the governor's proposed  fund source                                                                    
from  UGF to  general fund  program receipts,  which matched                                                                    
the budget passed by the House.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:27:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson WITHDREW the OBJECTION.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
There  being NO  further OBJECTION,  Packet 2:  Fiscal Notes                                                                    
was ADOPTED.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:28:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FUNDING FY2025 APPROPRIATIONS                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  MOVED Conference Committee  Amendment 3,                                                                    
34-GH1462\B.A.6 (Marx,  5/18/25)[note: due to the  length of                                                                    
the amendment it is not included  here. See copy on file for                                                                    
detail].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson OBJECTED.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman explained the amendment:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In summary,  this amendment authorizes a  draw from the                                                                    
     Constitutional Budget  Reserve Fund  for appropriations                                                                    
     in Fiscal  Year 2025 and provides  contingency language                                                                    
     that authorizes using funds  from the Alaska Industrial                                                                    
     Development  and   Export  Authority  and   the  Higher                                                                    
     Education Investment Fund  if the CBR draw  fails to be                                                                    
     enacted.  Specifically, if  the  CBR draw  fails to  be                                                                    
     enacted,  this amendment  authorizes using  up to  $100                                                                    
     million from the unexpended  and unobligated balance of                                                                    
     the  reserves of  AIDEA  for  appropriations in  Fiscal                                                                    
     Year 2025. It further authorizes a draw from the                                                                           
     Higher Ed fund if the funds from AIDEA do not balance                                                                      
     revenue and general funds for Fiscal Year 2025.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson  noted that the amendment  took money                                                                    
from  Alaska  Industrial  Development and  Export  Authority                                                                    
(AIDEA) receipts  to fund the  FY 25 budget.  She recognized                                                                    
it was  contingency language, but  she cautioned if  it took                                                                    
place it  would impact AIDEA's  bond rating. She  thought it                                                                    
was not  the best  way to fund  the budget.  She highlighted                                                                    
that the Higher Education Investment  Fund (HEIF) was set up                                                                    
similarly to  the Permanent  Fund with  a percent  of market                                                                    
value (POMV) draw,  which would be overdrawn  if the funding                                                                    
was needed. She would prefer  a more robust negotiation on a                                                                    
CBR draw  rather than the  use of contingency  language that                                                                    
would allow the normal process to be bypassed.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman relayed  that  the FY  25 budget  needed                                                                    
approximately $200  million. The  amendment proposed  to use                                                                    
the Constitutional Budget Reserve  (CBR). The decision would                                                                    
be made  individually and required  a three-quarter  vote of                                                                    
both bodies.  If the vote  was accomplished,  the governor's                                                                    
FY  25 supplemental  would be  funded. If  the vote  failed,                                                                    
there was  a waterfall effect  that would enable the  use of                                                                    
up to  $100 million  in unexpended  balance from  AIDEA. The                                                                    
remainder needed  to fund the  FY 25 budget would  come from                                                                    
HEIF funds. He  pointed out that AIDEA and  HEIF funds would                                                                    
not be  needed if  the legislature was  able to  achieve and                                                                    
support the governor's FY 25 budget.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:33:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman asked for a  high level overview of what the                                                                    
was being funded in the supplemental budget.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  noted that  dialogs on  the supplemental                                                                    
had taken  place previously. The  supplemental was  what the                                                                    
governor had requested. The only  addition was an additional                                                                    
appropriation of $5  million for fire prevention  due to low                                                                    
snowfall over the  winter and a higher  potential for fires.                                                                    
The  funding  had  been included  to  help  protect  Alaskan                                                                    
citizens.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   provided  clarity  for  the   public.  He                                                                    
explained that  the previous  session the  legislature based                                                                    
the budget  on $78 [per barrel  of oil]. He relayed  that as                                                                    
FY  25 advanced,  the $78  price  of oil  was not  realized,                                                                    
which  pushed the  current year  into  deficit. The  current                                                                    
number  was  in  the  $68   range.  There  were  significant                                                                    
concerns  there may  be a  dry spring,  which could  put the                                                                    
Kenai  and  Fairbanks  at  risk  of  fires.  Therefore,  the                                                                    
legislature  added $5  million for  fire suppression.  Other                                                                    
than  that,  the  budgetary numbers  were  created  by  some                                                                    
unforeseen expenditures, but mainly  resulted from a decline                                                                    
in   revenue    expectations.   The   legislature    had   a                                                                    
constitutional obligation to pass  a balanced budget. It was                                                                    
the  normal course  of  action for  the  legislature to  use                                                                    
savings  to balance  the  budget. He  relayed  there was  no                                                                    
revenue in FY 25  to use. The CBR language had  to be in the                                                                    
budget to allow  access via a three-quarter  vote. He stated                                                                    
that in  the event members  of the legislature did  not want                                                                    
to draw on  a savings account, there were  no other options.                                                                    
He  remarked that  not paying  the bills  did not  work. The                                                                    
language [included  in Amendment  3] was  a fallback  in the                                                                    
event the  savings could  not be  used. He  believed savings                                                                    
should be used instead of reverting to AIDEA or HEIF.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman stated  that at  the  end of  the day,  the                                                                    
language  was included  in order  to ensure  the legislature                                                                    
met its  constitutional obligation. He elaborated  that each                                                                    
of the  elected legislators  would decide where  they wanted                                                                    
to get  the money.  He pointed out  that some  responses had                                                                    
been to slow down  expenditures; however, the administration                                                                    
did not  have the ability to  draw down $200 million  by the                                                                    
end of  June for FY 25.  He underscored that the  option was                                                                    
highly  suspect  and  not  a   solution.  He  supported  the                                                                    
proposal in  Amendment 3. He  hoped it was not  necessary to                                                                    
use  AIDEA  or HEIF  funds.  There  was  a little  under  $3                                                                    
billion  in  the  CBR  and  the  proposal  would  draw  $200                                                                    
million. The  legislature had been  very concerned  with not                                                                    
drawing the account  down too fast because it  may be needed                                                                    
the following year.  He urged his colleagues  to support the                                                                    
CBR draw.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:38:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson  asked Mr.  Painter to  review the  items in                                                                    
the supplemental. He recalled there  was $81 million "of red                                                                    
ink"  from  the  oil  price decrease.  The  budget  included                                                                    
disaster relief, firefighting funding,  and $4 million for a                                                                    
lawsuit against the state involving foster care children.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter highlighted  $13 million  for a  settlement and                                                                    
new investment  projects required by the  federal government                                                                    
due  to   the  state's  performance  on   public  assistance                                                                    
programs. The  budget included funds  for the  Department of                                                                    
Corrections and $14 million in  additional general funds for                                                                    
Medicaid.  The  budget  included $7  million  in  additional                                                                    
capital funds  for the Alaska  Marine Highway  System (AMHS)                                                                    
from  the  general  fund.  He explained  that  much  of  the                                                                    
funding would cover AMHS maintenance  that had already taken                                                                    
place. He  explained that the  governor had proposed  use of                                                                    
AMHS  fund, but  the use  of  the funds  would overdraw  the                                                                    
account.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson listed  the Department of Corrections                                                                    
and $10  million for the Alaska  Seafood Marketing Institute                                                                    
(ASMI).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Johnson   MAINTAINED   the   OBJECTION   to                                                                    
Amendment 3.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Senator  Kaufman, Senator  Stedman, Representative                                                                    
Schrage, Senator Hoffman, Representative Josephson                                                                              
OPPOSED: Representative Johnson                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The  MOTION PASSED  Senate  3/0 House  2/1.  There being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION, Amendment 3 was ADOPTED.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:41:51 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:46:22 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson noted  there were a couple of  items to take                                                                    
up prior to moving the bills from committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  to   reopen  the  Department  of                                                                    
Natural Resources.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  to  reopen  Item  9  within  the                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  MOVED to change  the fund source  to UGF                                                                    
instead of vehicle rental tax.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Josephson asked  Vice-Chair Hoffman  to describe  the                                                                    
motion with full details.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  explained that  the motion  pertained to                                                                    
Item 9 in the Department  of Natural Resources budget, which                                                                    
took  the  House number  minus  $222,900.  The motion  would                                                                    
change the fund source from vehicle rental tax to UGF.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman WITHDREW the OBJECTION.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being NO further OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman believed Senator  Kaufman had removed his                                                                    
objection  to the  reopening of  the  Department of  Natural                                                                    
Resources budget items.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman MOVED  to ADOPT Item 9  in the Department                                                                    
of  Natural  Resources  budget, House  minus  $222,900.  The                                                                    
motion would change the fund  source from vehicle rental tax                                                                    
to a one-time UGF increment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman OBJECTED. He WITHDREW the OBJECTION.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being NO further OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:49:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  to   reopen  the  Department  of                                                                    
Health.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman  MOVED to reopen  Items 35 and 36  in the                                                                    
Department of Health.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman MOVED to ADOPT Items 35 and 36 House.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman wanted  to reopen Item 16  in the Department                                                                    
of Health.  The item  was $85,000 for  a media  campaign. He                                                                    
believed  that  the  committee should  look  for  recovering                                                                    
funding  to help  pay for  funds it  had just  allocated. He                                                                    
MOVED to ADOPT the Senate version of Item 16.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED to reopening Item 16.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Representative Johnson, Senator Kaufman                                                                               
OPPOSED:    Senator    Stedman,   Representative    Schrage,                                                                    
Representative Josephson, Senator Hoffman                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION  to reopen  Item 16 in  the Department  of Health                                                                    
budget FAILED House 1/2 Senate 1/2.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson stated  that the action closed  all items in                                                                    
Department of Health.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:52:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that   the  committee  give  the                                                                    
Legislative Finance Division  and Legislative Legal Services                                                                    
the ability to make  technical and conforming adjustments to                                                                    
CCS HB 53.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  to  report  CCS  HB  53  out  of                                                                    
committee with individual recommendations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There  being NO  OBJECTION, CCS  HB 53  was REPORTED  out of                                                                    
committee with a "do pass" recommendation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  that   the  committee  give  the                                                                    
Legislative Finance Division  and Legislative Legal Services                                                                    
the ability to make  technical and conforming adjustments to                                                                    
CCS HB 55.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:53:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman MOVED  to report  the CCS  HB 55  out of                                                                    
Committee with individual recommendations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There  being NO  OBJECTION, CCS  HB 55  was REPORTED  out of                                                                    
committee with a "do pass" recommendation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson  took an  at ease  for committee  members to                                                                    
sign the reports.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:53:29 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:55:54 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Josephson  stated that  the  meeting  closed out  all                                                                    
conference-able  items in  the operating  and mental  health                                                                    
appropriation  bills, HB  53  and  HB 55.  The  work of  the                                                                    
conference  committee was  concluded. He  thanked conference                                                                    
committee  members and  their  staff, especially  Vice-Chair                                                                    
Hoffman and  his aide  Pete Ecklund on  the Senate  side and                                                                    
Brodie Anderson  and Alexander Schroeder on  the House side.                                                                    
He  thanked the  Legislative  Finance Division,  Legislative                                                                    
Legal Services, and House Finance Committee staff.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson thanked  her chief  of staff  Remond                                                                    
Henderson.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman thanked  the House  members for  working                                                                    
with the  Senate on  a compromise budget.  He stated  it had                                                                    
been a  difficult year,  but he  believed the  committee had                                                                    
done justice to the citizens of Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Chair Josephson agreed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED  to ADJOURN  the  meeting.  There                                                                    
being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                

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