Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

05/06/2024 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:06:11 AM Start
09:06:34 AM SB217
09:36:49 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 50 CARBON STORAGE TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
-- <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
= SB 217 INTEGRATED TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                        May 6, 2024                                                                                             
                         9:06 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:06:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson called the Senate Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 9:06 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Erlingur  Gudleifsson,  Adjunct  Researcher,  University  of                                                                    
Alaska  Fairbanks,  Denmark;  Jenn  Miller,  CEO,  Renewable                                                                    
Independent Power  Producer, Anchorage; Philip  Wight, Self,                                                                    
Fairbanks;  Ken  Griffin,  Self,  Wasilla;  Kassie  Andrews,                                                                    
Self, Anchorage.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 217    INTEGRATED TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          SB 217 was heard and HELD in Committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 50(FIN)                                                                                                                    
          CARBON STORAGE                                                                                                        
          CSHB 50(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 217                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to the taxation  of independent power                                                                    
     producers; and increasing  the efficiency of integrated                                                                    
     transmission system charges and  use for the benefit of                                                                    
     ratepayers."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:06:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson relayed that the committee would hear public                                                                     
testimony on the bill. The committee had heard the bill                                                                         
several times over the last few weeks.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson OPENED public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:07:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERLINGUR GUDLEIFSSON, ADJUNCT RESEARCHER, UNIVERSITY OF                                                                         
ALASKA FAIRBANKS, DENMARK (via teleconference), offered a                                                                       
prepared testimony:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Chair and members  of the finance committee,  I want to                                                                    
     touch on a few things regarding bill SB217.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     First, I  would like to  tell you how I  enjoyed having                                                                    
     the  opportunity  to  show legislators  around  Iceland                                                                    
    last fall in the policy tour we at ACEP organized.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Through my  work for  UAF I  have realized  that Alaska                                                                    
     and Iceland  have surprisingly  many things  in common,                                                                    
     but most importantly for us  here today is to recognize                                                                    
     similarities in  the power  sector. As  Alaska, Iceland                                                                    
     has mostly public power where  the state generates more                                                                    
     than 70%  of all  power but  also there  are vertically                                                                    
     integrated  municipality  owned   utilities  that  both                                                                    
     generate and distribute power.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     For about  two decades  the Icelandic power  sector has                                                                    
     been going  through incremental  changes that  at first                                                                    
     were driven  by EU policy  but nowadays driven  more by                                                                    
     internal  motivation.   The  fundamental   changes  I'm                                                                    
     referring  to  is  separation  between  generation  and                                                                    
     transmission  that lead  to  the  establishment of  the                                                                    
     Icelandic  transmission  system  operator  (TSO)  named                                                                    
     Landsnet which was  one of the focus  points during the                                                                    
     policy  tour  last  fall  that I  referred  to  in  the                                                                    
     beginning.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Now  one  might ask  was  this  transition no  problem,                                                                    
     forcing transmission  assets owners  to either  sell or                                                                    
     hand over their  assets in exchange for  equity in this                                                                    
     newly established TSO. Here  it's worth mentioning that                                                                    
     some concerns arose regarding  how dominating the state                                                                    
     power  producer Landsvirkjun  was  within the  company,                                                                    
     having  formally owned  about 70%  of all  transmission                                                                    
     assets which  was reflected  in their  dominance within                                                                    
     the  company. This  was later  sorted out  by when  the                                                                    
     state  bought most  of the  shares so  today the  state                                                                    
     owns about 95% of the TSO.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Furthermore, this procedure is  known for having been a                                                                    
     good  decision for  Iceland and  today  there is  broad                                                                    
     agreement that  this was an important  step in creating                                                                    
     an open competitive energy market.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     We at  UAF have  shared many  of the  details regarding                                                                    
     this  unbundling procedure  of the  Icelandic TSO  in a                                                                    
     paper, a  paper that I  wrote with my colleague  at UAF                                                                    
     Gwen  Holdmann.  I  appreciate  the  collaboration  and                                                                    
     partnership the Icelandic  TSO has shown to  us for the                                                                    
     past   year,   or   since   we   started   establishing                                                                    
     understanding on how Alaska  might benefit from another                                                                    
     island grid in the arctic.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     At last, I would like  to thank you for the opportunity                                                                    
     given to me here today to testify on our work.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:10:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENN  MILLER,  CEO,  RENEWABLE INDEPENDENT  POWER  PRODUCER,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), testified  in support of the                                                                    
legislation   and   offered    talking   points   from   the                                                                    
organizations letter of support (copy on file).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:14:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PHILIP  WIGHT, SELF,  FAIRBANKS (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in  favor  of  the  bill.   He  mentioned  being  an  energy                                                                    
historian of  Alaska. He asserted  that there was  an urgent                                                                    
need to create a  Railbelt Transmission Organization (RTO)as                                                                    
soon as  possible. He supported the  elimination of wheeling                                                                    
fees,   the   creation    of   an   effective   transmission                                                                    
organization,  and ensuring  vital transmission  assets were                                                                    
properly owned  and managed. He  offered a  historical story                                                                    
regarding Alaskas first transmission organization.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:18:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  asked  Mr.  Wight  to  provide  his  public                                                                    
testimony in written form.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wight agreed to provide the information.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:18:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN GRIFFIN,  SELF, WASILLA (via  teleconference), testified                                                                    
in  opposition to  the bill.  He stressed  that he  had read                                                                    
every energy bill and believed  that none of the bills would                                                                    
benefit the  residents of Alaska. He  reminded the committee                                                                    
that they worked  for the citizens of the state  and not for                                                                    
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:20:30 AM                                                                                                                    
RECESSED                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:34:33 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KASSIE ANDREWS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in opposition  to the bill.  She thought the  bill contained                                                                    
multiple subsidies to corporations.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:36:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB  217  was  heard  and   HELD  in  Committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson discussed the agenda for the a //                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
9:36:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:36 a.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 217 05.05.24 SB 217 Senate Finance Committee Follow-Up Ltr.pdf SFIN 5/6/2024 9:00:00 AM
SB 217
SB 217 RIPP SB217 Support Letter 5.3.2024.pdf SFIN 5/6/2024 9:00:00 AM
SB 217
SB 217 Testimony Allmeroth.msg SFIN 5/6/2024 9:00:00 AM
SB 217
SB 217 RCA Follow-Up to SFIN re SB 217 5.7.24.pdf SFIN 5/6/2024 9:00:00 AM
SB 217
SB 217 Erlingur Gudleifsson SB217 testimony.pdf SFIN 5/6/2024 9:00:00 AM
SB 217