Legislature(2025 - 2026)GRUENBERG 120

01/31/2025 01:30 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:43:23 PM Start
01:44:05 PM HB48
02:53:06 PM Adjourn
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*+ HB 48 CIVIL LEGAL SERVICES FUND TELECONFERENCED
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                HB  48-CIVIL LEGAL SERVICES FUND                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:44:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY announced that the first only order of business would                                                                
be HOUSE BILL NO. 48, "An Act relating to appropriations to the                                                                 
civil legal services fund."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SARA  HANNAN, Alaska  State Legislature,  as prime                                                               
sponsor,  presented HB  48.   She  paraphrased  from the  sponsor                                                               
statement  [included  in the  committee  packet],  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     HB  48 safeguards  low-income Alaskans'  access to  the                                                                    
     civil   justice  system   by  increasing   the  funding                                                                    
     available  for organizations  that provide  civil legal                                                                    
     services to Alaska's most vulnerable populations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     HB  48  amends the  statute  creating  the Civil  Legal                                                                    
     Services Fund (AS  37.05.590) so that up  to 25 percent                                                                    
     of court system filing fees  can be appropriated by the                                                                    
     Legislature   to  the   existing  Alaska   Civil  Legal                                                                    
     Services  Fund each  year to  provide  access to  civil                                                                    
     legal   aid   for  low-income   Alaskans.   Legislation                                                                    
     allowing  the legislature  to  appropriate filing  fees                                                                    
     for  civil  legal  aid  was  passed  in  2018.  It  was                                                                    
     originally set at 25 percent  but lowered to 10 percent                                                                    
     with  the  intention  of reassessing  the  need  for  a                                                                    
     higher  appropriation  later; those  contributions  are                                                                    
     now necessary to support those in need.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  Legal Services  Corporation (ALSC)    the  only                                                                    
     civil  legal   services  organization   for  low-income                                                                    
     people  in  Alaska    was  established  in  1967.  ALSC                                                                    
     assists  Alaskans   with  a  range  of   civil  matters                                                                    
     including  financial  abuse,  housing,  child  support,                                                                    
     government benefits,  and domestic  violence protective                                                                    
     orders. ALSC is  not a state agency; it  is a nonprofit                                                                    
     charitable  501(c)(3),  whose   funding  comes  from  a                                                                    
     variety of  state, federal,  and private  sources. ALSC                                                                    
     strives  to  serve  a   growing  number  of  low-income                                                                    
     clients. Unfortunately,  due to the growing  demand and                                                                    
     declining support,  ALSC has had to  turn away hundreds                                                                    
     of individuals and families.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     HB  48 aims  to  stabilize funding  for  ALSC and  help                                                                    
     ensure  that  civil  legal  aid  is  available  to  all                                                                    
     Alaskans, not just those who can afford it. I urge you                                                                     
     to join me in supporting HB 48.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:47:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HUNTER  MEACHUM, Staff,  Representative Sara  Hannan, Alaska                                                                    
State  Legislature,  on  behalf  of  Representative  Hannan,                                                                    
prime sponsor,  presented the sectional  analysis for  HB 48                                                                    
[included in  the committee packet],  which read  as follows                                                                    
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1  amends AS 37.05.590. to  allow for up  to 25                                                                  
     percent of court system filing fees to be appropriated by                                                                  
     the  Legislature to  the  existing  Alaska Civil  Legal                                                                    
     Services Fund each year to provide access to civil legal                                                                   
     aid for low-income Alaskans.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:48:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA asked for  the estimated amount of funds                                                                    
the bill would  raise by appropriating 25  percent of Alaska                                                                    
Court System  (ACS) filing  fees to  the Alaska  Civil Legal                                                                    
Services Fund ("the fund").                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  called the committee's  attention the                                                                    
Department of  Commerce, Community &  Economic Development's                                                                    
(DCCED)  fiscal  note,  which reflected  the  additional  15                                                                    
percent of court  filing fees based on fiscal  year 2024 (FY                                                                    
24) revenues projected through FY 31.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:49:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  requested a  breakdown of the  type of                                                                    
cases handled by Alaska Legal Services Corporation (ALSC).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEACHUM  offered  to  follow   up  with  the  requested                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  expressed his appreciation to  the bill                                                                    
sponsor  for carrying  this bill  and referenced  the ALSC's                                                                    
work  on  irrevocable  income   trusts  for  state  assisted                                                                    
living.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:52:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE UNDERWOOD  asked how the bill  relates to the                                                                    
Wielechowski v. State ruling.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN said  in  the Wielechowski  decision,                                                                  
the  court concluded  that all  laws are  subject to  annual                                                                    
appropriation, and  that the  legislature has  the authority                                                                    
to set the amount of various appropriations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:53:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE referred  to page 1, lines  9-10 of the                                                                    
bill, and  sought to  verify that  only one  organization in                                                                    
Alaska   provides  civil   legal   services  to   low-income                                                                    
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN said that is her understanding.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:54:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE UNDERWOOD asked, if  the current cap on court                                                                    
system filing  fees is 10  percent, whether  the legislature                                                                    
could appropriate more than 10 percent to the fund.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY shared  his understanding that all  court fees go                                                                    
to the general  fund (GF), so this  appropriation would come                                                                    
from the GF.  He deferred to Ms. Meade for confirmation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  MEADE, General  Counsel, Alaska  Court System  (ACS),                                                                    
confirmed that  all the  court's filing fees  go to  the GF.                                                                    
She  reiterated that  the bill  would  authorize a  transfer                                                                    
from  the   GF  to  the   Civil  Legal  Services   Fund  for                                                                    
organizations  that  provide  legal services  to  low-income                                                                    
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  UNDERWOOD  restated   her  question,  asking                                                                    
whether  the  legislature  could appropriate  more  than  10                                                                    
percent to the fund without passage of HB 48.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE shared her understanding  that the legislature may                                                                    
choose to appropriate any amount.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:57:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY opened invited testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:57:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAGGIE  HUMM,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Legal  Services                                                                    
Corporation  (ALSC),  gave   invited  testimony  during  the                                                                    
hearing on  HB 48.  She  described the work done  by ALSC, a                                                                    
nonprofit  law firm  that  provides  comprehensive and  free                                                                    
legal aid to low-income Alaskans.   She discussed the crisis                                                                    
in the  civil legal  justice system due  to the  gap between                                                                    
those who  can access legal help  and those who can't.   She                                                                    
described  the consequences  of  not having  legal help  for                                                                    
families and  shared several examples  of ALSC's  case work.                                                                    
She explained that  ALSC is innovating to  close the justice                                                                    
gap  by  setting  up  a training  and  resource  center  for                                                                    
community  justice   workers  to  provide   targeted,  legal                                                                    
assistance.   In FY 24, ALSC  provided direct representation                                                                    
in  over  6,200  cases  for  Alaskans  in  204  communities,                                                                    
serving the most vulnerable populations,  such as victims of                                                                    
domestic   violence  and   sexual   assault,  seniors,   and                                                                    
individuals   with  disabilities.     The   organization  is                                                                    
prohibited from taking on various  types of cases by federal                                                                    
law,  including criminal  matters, class  actions, cases  on                                                                    
welfare  reform, and  representing  prisoners, for  example.                                                                    
She reported that ALSC's demographic  continues to grow each                                                                    
year and funding  has not kept pace, adding  that last year,                                                                    
ALSC  had to  turn away  one family  for every  one that  it                                                                    
helped.  In FY 25,  the state appropriation totaled $696,400                                                                    
to serve  a target population  of 98,000.  She  gave context                                                                    
as to  the history of  AS 37.05.590, which  was accomplished                                                                    
with  bipartisan  support  from  the  legislature;  however,                                                                    
because  the availability  of funds  is  dependent on  court                                                                    
system filing fees  from punitive damages to  the state, the                                                                    
amount  available  from  the  fund  can vary.    In  FY  24,                                                                    
$296,400 was  appropriated.  She stated  that increasing the                                                                    
10 percent of  court system filing fees to  25 percent would                                                                    
result  in  an  allocation  of   $741,000  for  FY  25,  and                                                                    
estimated that  for every additional $100,000,  182 Alaskans                                                                    
could be helped.  She  explained that ALSC pays it attorneys                                                                    
significantly  less than  a private  or state  attorneys and                                                                    
leverages  its  resources  with  donated  office  space  and                                                                    
support from  local communities and volunteer  programs.  In                                                                    
closing,  she  said  there  is  an  extroardinary  need  for                                                                    
critical civil legal  services that cannot be  met solely by                                                                    
ALSC.   She said HB  48 would  help promote equal  access to                                                                    
the justice system and assist more vulnerable Alaskans.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:08:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked  for a breakdown of  the types of                                                                    
cases handled by ALSC.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.   HUMM  offered   to  follow   up  with   the  requested                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE recalled  that the  majority of  cases                                                                    
are  landlord  tenant issues  and  asked  whether many  low-                                                                    
income landlords are represented.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUMM  clarified that  the  majority  of cases  are  not                                                                    
landlord  tenant  cases.    She  confirmed  that  low-income                                                                    
landlords can  be represented  and shared  several examples.                                                                    
She added that  landlords can call into  the landlord tenant                                                                    
hotline.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE asked  whether ALSC  would be  able to                                                                    
represent both the landlord and  tenant if they had separate                                                                    
attorneys.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUMM  said because  ALSC is  one law  firm, representing                                                                    
both sides in one case would be a conflict of interest.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:13:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA   asked  whether  there  has   been  an                                                                    
increase  in the  number  of Alaskans  that  fall under  125                                                                    
percent of the federal poverty level.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUMM  shared  her  understanding  that  the  number  is                                                                    
approximately 98,000 eligible individuals  up from 40,000 in                                                                    
the 1980s.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  asked  how  far 10  percent  of  court                                                                    
system  filing  fess  carry  the  organization  through  the                                                                    
fiscal year.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUMM answered  roughly half the year.  In  response to a                                                                    
follow  up question,  she said  that to  provide assistance,                                                                    
many  funding sources  are stretched  and leveraged  to fill                                                                    
the gaps.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  sought  to  confirm  that  ALSC  is  a                                                                    
nonprofit and asked how many positions are grant funded.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUMM said  there  are currently  58  staff members  and                                                                    
essentially all are funded through some sort of grant.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KOPP   commented   on   the   benefits   of                                                                    
volunteerism and encouraged passage of the bill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:18:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY asked what percentage  of ALSC's budget is funded                                                                    
by the 10 percent of court system filing fees.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUMM said  the annual budget is 10.3 million  and the 10                                                                    
percent of filing fees totaled $296,400 in FY 24.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE UNDERWOOD  asked whether passage of  HB 48 is                                                                    
necessary to appropriate more than 10 percent of the fund.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:22:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL   WAYNE,   Attorney,  Legislative   Legal   Services,                                                                    
Legislative Affairs  Agency (LAA), shared  his understanding                                                                    
that the  statute would  need to  be amended  to appropriate                                                                    
more than 10 percent.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:26:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 2:26 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:27:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked Ms. Moller to  explain the DCCED                                                                    
fiscal  note, specifically  the impact  to federal  receipts                                                                    
under the "Change in Revenues" column.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA MOLLER,  Director, Division  of Community  & Regional                                                                    
Affairs,  Department  of   Commerce,  Community  &  Economic                                                                    
Development  (DCCED), acknowledged  an error  in the  fiscal                                                                    
note and explained  that the fiscal note  should list Alaska                                                                    
Legal Services Corporation instead of federal receipts.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked who is requesting the $468,900.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MOLLER  explained  that  if  the  bill  were  to  pass,                                                                    
$468,900 would  be added to  the $312,600 in  the governor's                                                                    
budget  to reflect  the increase  from 10  to 25  percent of                                                                    
court filing fees.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY sought further clarification on the fiscal note.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP shared  his understanding  that 781,500                                                                    
reflects 25 percent of court filing fees.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY asked  how often one party is turned  away due to                                                                    
a conflict of interest  because ALSC is already representing                                                                    
the other side.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUMM said it happens  less often than turning folks away                                                                    
due  to a  lack  of  resources.   Anecdotally,  she said  it                                                                    
typically happens in family law matters.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  asked  whether  ALSC's  $10.3  million                                                                    
budget is primarily federal money.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUMM  said  ALSC  has a  variety  of  funding  sources:                                                                    
federal  funding, state  and  local  grants, contracts  with                                                                    
Tribal  partners,  private  foundation  funding,  individual                                                                    
donors, and fundraising campaigns.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:35:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MOLLER,  in response  to  a  request from  Chair  Gray,                                                                    
walked  the   committee  through  the  fiscal   note  again,                                                                    
reiterating  that $468,900  would be  added to  the $312,600                                                                    
that's  already in  the  governor's budget  for  a total  of                                                                    
781,500,  which represents  25 percent  of the  court filing                                                                    
fees.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:36:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  recalled that Ms. Humm  had stated that                                                                    
182  more  Alaskans could  be  helped  for every  additional                                                                    
$100,000.    She  asked  whether   that's  generated  by  an                                                                    
increase in salaries, hours, or training.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER said it's a combination of everything mentioned.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  asked  how cases  are  prioritized  by                                                                    
ALSC.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER  said initial screenings  are provided  to ensure                                                                    
that ALSC  can take  on the  case type,  followed by  an in-                                                                    
depth  financial screening  for  income,  assets, and  other                                                                    
eligibility  criteria.   At that  point, cases  are sent  to                                                                    
local  offices  where  caseload   and  local  resources  are                                                                    
considered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:40:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA referred to lines  12-13 of the bill and                                                                    
asked whether  there had been any  consideration to increase                                                                    
the  percentage  of  poverty  guidelines  from  125  to  130                                                                    
percent  to  make  it on  par  with  Supplemental  Nutrition                                                                    
Assistance  Program  (SNAP)   eligibility  or  other  public                                                                    
benefits.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  said she  had not  contemplated that.                                                                    
She pointed out that ALSC  cannot meet the current demand of                                                                    
eligible  Alaskans,  so  expanding  eligibility  would  only                                                                    
create   a   bigger   gap  of   underserved   but   eligible                                                                    
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER noted that ALSC has  some flexibility to go up to                                                                    
200  percent   of  the  federal  poverty   guidelines.    In                                                                    
addition, some  funding sources allow  for over  200 percent                                                                    
for seniors.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:43:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MINA   asked   about   the   organization's                                                                    
accounting processes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUMM  assured  Representative  Mina  that  the  billing                                                                    
department is  accustomed to carrying  out a  detailed level                                                                    
of accounting.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY sought closing comments from the bill sponsor.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:49:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  reminded the committee that  the ALSC                                                                    
has  a variety  of  funding  sources.   Its  work serves  to                                                                    
increase state  efficiency by reducing  demand on  the court                                                                    
system.   The  goal is  to help  Alaskans in  need prior  to                                                                    
entering  the  court  system;  resolve  real  problems;  and                                                                    
connect  people with  resources.   She  referenced a  letter                                                                    
submitted by  Cook Inlet Housing Authority  [included in the                                                                    
committee packet], which offers  a helpful explanation as to                                                                    
why  they advocate  for  this funding  increase  and how  it                                                                    
would help.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:52:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY announced that HB 48 would be held over.                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 48 Sponsor Statement version A.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
HB 48 Sectional Analysis version A.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
Alaska Legal Services Corp. Overview Fact Sheet 1.23.25.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
Alaska Legal Services Corp. HB 48 Fact Sheet 1.23.25.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
Alaska Legal Services Corp. Community Justice Workers Fact Sheet 1.23.25.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
Alaska Legal Services Corp. Community Impact Fact Sheet 1.23.25.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48 Letter of Support - ACT.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
HB 48 - Letter of Support 1.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
HB 48 Letter of support - STAR.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
HB 48 Letter of Support - Cook Inlet Housing.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
HB 48 Letter of Support - AFN.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48
HB 48 Fiscal Note- DCCED.pdf HJUD 1/31/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 48